October 8, 2009, - 12:06 pm

EXCLUSIVE: Man Slated to be Obama’s Top Immigration Agent Investigated for Embezzlement

By Debbie Schlussel

DebbieSchlussel.com has learned that Robert Schoch, the Special Agent in Charge of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for Los Angeles, is under investigation for alleged embezzlement and/or misuse of ICE funds used in undercover operations.  Mr. Schoch and the Los Angeles Deputy Special Agent in Charge, Jennifer Silliman, were escorted from the ICE federal offices in Long Beach, California, and their badges and guns were taken from them (standard procedure when an agent is under investigation and put on leave).  They were both put on administrative leave pending a continuing investigation.  A search warrant was reportedly executed on Agent Schoch’s home, and sources say his computers from both his LAX and Long Beach offices were seized.



Normally, this would be inside baseball stuff.  But Schoch was slated by Obama Administration officials running ICE to be Director of Investigations of ICE, meaning that he would be running and overseeing all ICE investigations worldwide.  His appointment to that position was imminent, even as he was reportedly being investigated by ICE’s Office of Professional Responsibility and, reportedly, the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Los Angeles.  The right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing at ICE. . . and doesn’t care.

I contacted ICE’s PR people, yesterday afternoon, regarding this story, and they would neither confirm nor deny it.  However, it’s all over ICE.  Agents are wondering why a man who was, himself, under investigation was chosen and about to be named their agency’s chief investigator.  It sounds like a joke, but it’s very real and, sadly, very typical of the agency for which they work and where morale continues to plummet.

It’s more bad news about an agency that continues to be mismanaged, without aim or specific purpose, and cannibalized by inept and dishonest supervisors and bureaucrats, who use the agency as their own personal harems, “The Bachelorette” show sets, and nightly falalafel dinner opportunities with Muslims galore (that means you, Abu Moskowitz).  And you wonder why illegal aliens continue to laugh at them . . . and us.  I’ll be writing more about ICE’s, um, “leadership” under the Obama/Napolitano regime in the near future (stay tuned).

Schoch is 39 or 40 according to differing accounts.  His rise in ICE with little concrete investigative experience was meteoric and rife with cronyism, NOT law enforcement experience.  Back in 2004, under the Bush Administration, he was briefly Deputy Assistant Director of ICE.  He comes from the former INS.  The same goes for his Deputy, the inexperienced Ms. Silliman, his close friend.

To make matters worse, Agent Schoch’s acting replacement, Kevin Kozak, is another senior manager who not only skipped any practical experience, but he has a history of EEO gender discrimination cases–some of which were proven, sustained by the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission, and settled, with the government paying your tax money (a lot of it) to at least one woman.  He’s no David Letterman, and the cases do not involve any sexual malfeasance, but male v. female promotion and disciplinary decisions (which in many cases in ICE, seem to now discriminate against men in favor of unqualified women).

While I have no idea of Mr. Schoch’s innocence or guilt and have been unable to reach him for comment, you have to ask yourself how this guy could be considered to be the nation’s top investigator in immigration and customs fraud cases.  He doesn’t have the experience.  And now, he’s suspected of something criminal.

The investigation might be prompted by a politically motivated personal grudge by a rival faction within ICE or the competition for the job he was slated to get.  But I doubt it.  Most ICE Special Agents in Charge–like Michigan/Ohio top ICE cop Brian Moskowitz–get away with doing everything but murder.  And they don’t go after them . . . unless it’s very, very serious.

We shall see.  Stay tuned.

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260 Responses

Enough of the whining and pointing fingers, enough of the legacy INS versus legacy Customs squabbling….you are a federal law enforcement agency comprised of Special Agents from diverse backgrounds — paid quite well for what you do, especially in light of the poor economy and post 9/11 scars. Do not forget what you swore to uphold and enforce (even when you are kicked around like a political football). I am sure legacy INS can attest to the unwillingness of elected officials and INS appointed directors to support enforcement of the law. Both agencies can be proud of their pasts, but now must embrace the future. This current corruption investigation, though involving a legacy INS official, is no more damaging than the ICE SAC of Tampa who was arrested in 2005 for exposing and fondling himself before a female teenager in an Orlando, FL mall (and then allowed to retire after over a year on admin leave – who can proudly wear ICE badge # 007 now?). That same SAC had been heralded as a legacy Customs “hero.” And then there is the former Agent in Charge of the ICE Nogales office arrested this year on charges of cocaine trafficking and public corruption for allegedly aiding Mexican drug cartels. He too was legacy Customs. Each of you could be in the unemployment line or stuck in a job without such awesome benefits and a guaranteed retirement. Whether you are from legacy Customs, legacy INS, or a newer ICE Special Agent: be proud, not arrogant; always practice and live by integrity and professionalism; put your egos aside and just choose to excel at your job….America trusts you and is counting on each and every one of you every day!!!

America-is-counting-on-you! on October 10, 2009 at 1:22 am

    Well Ms. Schlussel makes some valid points about their experience, and their leap to GS/SES levels and titles. BUT, after being targeted by vindictive and self serving tattle taler’s (word? OK I made it up and “what not”), and the incompetence of the agency’s so called internal affairs, I move that we give them the benefit of the doubt, or the concept that seems to be forgotten BUT we lived under – innocent until proven guilty. We know a guy in New York who is still off duty because of said incompetence and oh so obvious self serving politics. And he has been off for years! Yes years! Sad day, you bet. What in the hell happened?

    I know Bob and Jennifer. They weren’t crooks when we all worked together in INS. Neither was our friend in New York, neither was Poli, and neither was I. Sadly, this list goes on and on. If anyone has contact information for Bob and Jennifer I would like to write them a note, let them know the INS brotherhood, and yes Jennifer sisterhood, is proud, strong and LOYAL!

    Please feel free to circulate this to everyone and anyone, even OIG, OPR, Internal Affairs, the Boogey Man and what not.


    A.J. Irwin on October 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm

All I can say is, seriously? I am both L-INS and L-Customs. BOTH agencies had good people; Overall, L-Customs had more. They both had good managers; L-Customs had more. L-Customs did have knuckleheads but it had a hiring standard that L-INS did not. Overall, that paid off. L-Customs and L-INS had cronyism. In my experience, all agencies do; and, we all have the responsibility to overcome that. L-Customs had a well-defined mission; L-INS did not. That being said, fewer tax-payers have a problem with LEOs taking illegal and/or dangerous commodity off the streets. L-INS had to deal with all of the politics that came with trying to enforce laws regarding “people.” Even in a perfect world, that’s a difficult mission. Combine that with the rest of those handicaps and it’s almost impossible. ICE may still be struggling but seriously, to say “INS rules” is ignorant. INS, as a whole, was disbanded for many reasons. We all know those reasons. The best L-INS Agents with whom I have worked are the first to admit it; and, they want to correct the image that “all” INS agents were incapable of investigative work. They know it was nothing personal. All of the good L-INS agents I have worked with (of which there are quite a few) are grateful for getting non-competitive GS-13s. They are also happy to have the opportunity to work hard and make a difference despite the current political atmosphere. The truly good employees, regardless of their legacy agencies, have made the best of their situations. Is it perfect? No. But we should all be grateful for the jobs we have.

WeShouldAllBeGrateful on October 10, 2009 at 1:44 am

Was JS really that good looking that BS would throw away all he had for a fling with her? I heard she may have been a FLETC 8 but in reality to any non law enforcement person she was a 5…

JS on October 10, 2009 at 1:48 am

    That’s really not relevant or necessary.

    WeShouldAllBeGrateful on October 10, 2009 at 2:27 am

Here we go again; Immigration this, and Customs that……. Can’t you see what’s going on? SAC LA is falling apart and the only thing we are airing out is the unfortunate past. You want to see change, then stop pointing the finger at your sisters and brothers, and stand up to these worthless clowns who are shamefully dragging everybody down. I am calling on every dedicated ICE SA in SAC LA to fight against this demoralizing plague that our agency has shamefully allowed to spread. Let’s hold a town hall meeting, and for once corner these assholes and find out what they will do for us, our tarnished image, and our battered integrity. For a long time, it’s been about them and their inflated egos and falsified stats. It’s time we change that, once and for all.
Its time for a certain ASAC to stop watching TV when his agents want to discuss important case matters with him, and stop inquiring if he can hold a press conference, despite the on going investigation. Folks, this will be the beginning of the end for all of us if this issue is swept under the carpet. Let’s restore the Integrity, Courage and Excellence in our house, and rid ourselves of these demons. United we stand; I beg you not to forget that, my fellow brothers and sisters.

S&H on October 10, 2009 at 2:22 am

What a bunch of discontent and crybabies we have in SAC LA. Legacy this Legacy that…who gives a s*** people, get over it. Let’s get to work and put criminals in jail or deport them as the case may be. Yes ICE has managers and supervisors who don’t know the first thing about conducting an investigation and worse they don’t give a shit about the troops. Agents should take care of each other and let the managers do their shit. Let’s get to work and let BS and JS deal with their own problems.

JG on October 10, 2009 at 4:33 am

I left in 2004 and you all are still talking this way in 2009? You all are f***ed up. A bunch of folks with to much time on their hands.

Wladimir on October 10, 2009 at 9:36 am

18 bravo I agree with you 100% please Leonidas you and the rest of Customs needs to understand that all L-Customs agents became L-INS admin cases because the politicians figured out that L-Customs only stole stats from other agencies.

NO Name on October 10, 2009 at 9:58 am

It’s an unfortunate situation that occurred for SAC/LA as a whole, however, it leaves a great opportunity for the office to gain competent and willing leadership who may not be as self-serving as those who were recently removed. As far as KK being the acting SAC, he is very competent and knowledgeable and without a doubt, able to run the office. As far as those in acting DSAC positions, they were the logical choices – and very likely pushed by HQ to serve in those positions. SL is very capable, and as far as GG, well, maybe he is the less of the remaining evils-

And, just to address “No Name” above, he/she is mistaken in believing that L-Customs piggybacked on STL stats. This is furthest from the truth as far as Customs stats go – but obviously, he/she doesn’t know. Can’t fault a person for not knowing, however, one that does not know, should not spread untruths.

unknown on October 10, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Initials GG = JG

    unknown on October 10, 2009 at 12:49 pm

I don’t know much about ICE, but it seems to me that if they would have been doing their jobs and enforcing our immigration laws since 2000, most of the illegals in the U.S. would be gone. Even deporting about 10,000 a day, it would only take about 4 years to get rid of most of them. Even if we spent $1000.00 to deport each illegal, it would only cost the U.S. about $4 billion a year. This is less than ACORN gets in federal subsidies a year.

I also don’t care if we need to racially profile Mexicans or middle eastern people. Once they are determined to be here illegally, deport their law breaking asses back to Mexico in the most cost effective manner, and dump them off at the Mexico / Guatemala border. Put as much distance between them and the U.S. / Mexico border as we can. We have plenty of moth balled naval ships to do the job. Just pack them in like sardines, give them only the basics to sustain life, and anchors away. It would take no more than 4 days to get them to their destination, and let Mexico deal with the problem that Mexico created. It is not the fault of the U.S. that these illegals break our laws. The arguement that U.S. companies employ these people so it encourages these illegals to break our laws is asinine. These illegals broke our laws initially, so they knowingly are criminals. And yes, we should also prosecute all owners of companies that hire these illegals. Screw that Mexican third world sh#thole of a country.

I am disgusted that I have to pay, through my hard earned tax dollars, for the benefits that our government hands out to these criminals. Our government spends way too much money on illegals through many ways. The costs of incarceration, judicial procedures, welfare, health care, law enforcment personnal, social services and public schooling is a huge burden on the LEGAL American citizens. And these scumbags have trashed many of our once beautiful cities. I have lived through and seen what these law breaking, proletarian pukes have done to the city that I grew up in. They turned a wonderful city into a war zone. Unkept property, boarded up houses, filthy conditions, 5 families to a household, gangs roaming the streets with baseball bats and knives and not learning English or conforming to our society were just some of the end results of them invading our country.

Sorry I was so long winded, but this is a huge problem for all of us LEGAL American citizens. On the lighter side, do you know why Mexicans put those tiny little stearing wheels in their cars? Because it makes it easier to drive with handcuffs on.

Jarhead on October 10, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Here be the picture in SAC/LA. Agents dont know how to process aliens because no one has truly taught anyone how to work Enforce. No one wants to handle wets because that would mean booking them in 300 N, processing them in Enforce and taking all day for admin arrests, when DRO will just O/R their arses out the door. Acording to the INS guys I works with, JG has HAD many IA investigations against him, just Google his name to find out. KK treats his people like they bore him and are a nuisance to him. KK thinks he is God’s gift to LE. He did not do THAT many criminal cases when he was a street agent, but he acts like he busted every single criminal case ever done by Customs. I worked with several pre-merger that were better street agents than KK, but because KK knows the politics side he has moved up. KK WILL NOT continue the Bitch Commission started by Bob, or the family centered picnics because he does not believe that law enforcmeent should be about families. He wants stats and only stats. He does not give a damn if the job affects an agent’s personal life or family life. Morale is in the toilet, because agents cannot get to the offices or groups they want. Customs agents are doing INS stuff and INS agents are doing Customs stuff – STILL!!! Agents are getting cushy admin training assignments because they are tight with the 14s and 15s that are making those assignment decisions. Guys have spent the last 10 years or so in non-casework assignments such as range, tech and DT even though they still draw 1811 pay, LEAP and a take home car. Ask yourselves, have you ever seen them at a worksite raid or a gang sweep? No. With KK and JG in charge, it will make the inquisition, Mao’s Cultural Revolution, and Stalin’s Purges look like awards ceremonies. And, expect a dress code to be strictly enforceed! Suits and ties everyday! Oh, and I don’t think sexual harassment or EEOs or sex for promotions will stop with the new bunch. It will always be sameoldsameold.

VenturaBased on October 10, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    I guess Red Team needs two (2) runners for Baker to Vegas next year. Go Old Blue! Funny how everything can change.

    Old School. on October 10, 2009 at 10:47 pm

Oh Oh, time to break out my prized polyester/wool blend Stafford collection!!

Leonidas @ Thermopolye on October 10, 2009 at 8:44 pm


Old School. on October 11, 2009 at 12:43 am


Happy days are here again.


Old School. on October 11, 2009 at 10:13 pm

I’ve been gone for two years now and things have not changed. Customs guys hate INS work and vice versa. As for the new ICE babies, who knows what they think. It does seem clear that having these two diciplines together has never worked. We still need to seperate these two duties. Let there be an INS, the politicians need the political football to kick back and forth.

ruggieri on October 11, 2009 at 11:18 pm

Any truth to the rumors that some GS or ASAC folks will be walked out this week a la JS and BS? To answer the other poster if JS was that hot enough to cause BS to risk his job, look at Bob. He ain’t nothing much without his job title. A nerd with a gun, badge and $150k salary. His wife is hotter than JS. JS is a skinny, flat chested nerdette. Guess he likes them that way. I dont think JG would have gone for her, his choice of women have been different than that. From what I heard, not what I know.

VenturaBased on October 12, 2009 at 1:02 am

Deb, speaking of rampant ICE “cronyism” where GS-14/15 positions are handed out like candy to inexperienced, pompous, and incompetent friends of the current acting director (also part of the former INS regime), check out ICE’s Office of Intel. Many of these selected admit they don’t know anything about intelligence and don’t care because they get a GS14 or 15 out of the deal. The management at HQ and much of the FIGs GS15s has never attended any intelligence academy nor believe they should. No one ever mentions this division of ICE that is a waste of tax dollars and does nothing to support anyone.

Apple103 on October 12, 2009 at 1:08 am

Good point about ICE Intel. The Los Angeles Field Intelligence Group director is LA DSAC’s husband, the SAC’s good friend, and is about as slimy as it gets. I would not be surprised if he is next to be stripped of his gun and badge. He doesn’t give a crap about ICE’s mission, only interested in more power by any means necessary. I hope OPR takes him down soon…he is poisoning the agency.

JP on October 12, 2009 at 2:45 am

If you are referring to Kumar, he is legacy Customs. The Office of Intelligence was not created last week, nor did ICE have any say in whether we needed or wanted to have one.

As for promotions, please keep in mind that there is very little funding for moves. This forces the agency to promote someone within the local commuting area in DC.

Don’t like the way HQ works? Take the SA14 test and pack your bags. Go make a difference. You won’t be able to change much, but you do have a voice and experience. There are people that will listen. Speaking up is hard. Complaining is easy.

ICE Manager on October 12, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Half of those that make 14’s are those that hid out in the office their whole careers kissing ass and volunteering for every admin detail that they could – anything to avoid actual casework and going out in the field.

    Another 1/4 are EEO complaint promotions/settlements… the only Fed casees that they ever filed…

    And maybe the last 1/4 are actual field agents whose expertise and advice is plagerized the other 3/4 to fake it that they know something.

    So don’t give me that self-important GS-14 “sacrifice” BS. Most GS-14’s don’t have the stomach for real fieldwork and are hiding-out from the street, doing OPR work or other admins BS.

    Then to justify their HQ existence they create more superfluous HQ admin “taskings” that only detract from accomplishing the criminal law enforcement mission.

    Been Around on November 10, 2009 at 11:57 am

What about the ASAC in Las Vegas? I hear that he may go down next, serious problems in that office.

West Coast on October 12, 2009 at 11:54 am

As an Agent with 8years on, I am tired of this bs line of take the 14 test and pack your bags to HQ. I, as well as many others, took the 14 test and were placed on the list. I would love to go to HQ to try and make a difference, but there is no move money and has not been any for a while. I have a wife and kids and can not afford to lose money on my house just to promote. I have been offered three slots and each time was told that the home purchase program is not an option. Sorry to say, my house is in a down market and I can’t float 2 mortgages or a mortgage and rent. No level of dedication to your work should come with financial sacrifice that will hurt your family.

Those of us with experience in OI tend to have familes and homes and are not going to hurt those we care about just to “move up, or shut up”. Does any other federal LE agency ask this of their agents?

Too tired on October 12, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Sounds like OPR should take a look at your money problems? Seems like your the only person talking about money. No?

    Old School. on October 16, 2009 at 11:53 pm

Hey ICE Manager: Pretty sure Apple103 was referring to Woosley, the acting director of ICE Intel, who is L-INS. He brought most of his INS cronies up with him, including the Director of FIG LA, Shawn Ebbley (who is now the Director of all of the FIGs in the West, I have come to understand). In turn, Ebbley surrounded himself with his INS cronies and hired on his friends’ wives as Intel staff (including the wife of an L-INS ASAC), picking them over more qualified candidates. And there you have a complete circle of corruption and incompetency, all detracting from the great work ICE does.

Also, the notion that LA can’t get good people because of little funding for moves is complete B.S. I have a first hand source who says that when Ebbley was promoted and needed to replace the FIG director spot, the top person on the certification list–someone with a very impressive career as an Intel officer, an Ivy League grad, and was finishing his Ph.d from Cambridge–was willing to pay for his move from DC. Instead, Ebbley hired one of his buddies who has no Intel experience. One of Ebbley’s best analysts actually left FIG LA after he pressured her to flub the certification list to make his unqualified pick the “best qualified.” She took a step down from an IRS position to mission support just to get away from Ebbley and his corrupt actions.

The SAC and the DSAC are just the tip of the iceberg. More to come.

JP on October 12, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Amen brother..that is why we in the field have never gotten any true support from our local office of intell. From having an intelligence background in a prior life, I had high expectations of our FIG but after seeing what they were about knew that there was no juice to squeeze from them. The only actionable or useful intell we get comes from our own human sources or CI’s, or other agencies.

    I thought our office of Intel was run in DC by a former Langley field agent/supervisor. You should not be running the FIG without a solid Intel Agency/military intel/counter terror background especially with the world we live in now post 9-11. This NEEDS to be mandated by headquarters, there will always be politics and a degree of cronyism but what has occurred in LA is unexcusable.

    Ranger1811 on October 12, 2009 at 8:24 pm

Too Tired: yes the funding woes exist in all agencies. Some are worse and some are better. The market conditions are not the fault of the agency. There just isn’t enough money to sustain the home sale program.

JP: makes sense in that context.

And for anyone that cares, I was sick to my stomach when I heard the news.

ICE Manager on October 12, 2009 at 3:05 pm

ICE Manager: You are correct that it is no fault of HQ that the market in most areas has hit the bottom. Until ICE can negotiate a contract with a relo company to buy homes, than HQ will be filled with single, apt dwelling 20-30 year olds that have the minimum amount of time in grade and can move at the drop of a hat. What has happened to this agency is a shame and will only get worse

Too tired on October 12, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Too tired – please express your concerns to your representatives. No ReLo company in their right mind will take a contract in this market. I moved twice ony own dime but even that isn’t an option because it would create an unfair bias towards silver spoon and trust fund agents.

    Funding will get worse before it gets better.

    ICE Manager on October 12, 2009 at 11:53 pm

Truth be told FinCEN never did or wanted to do anything for L-Customs OI. As far as support from Intell, the smartest move for an agent was to befriend a squared away intell analyst (most of them were squared away)for case support. With the advent of the internet we now get and share intell reports and ofcr safety bulletins amongst agencies but in the old days there was very little general intell sharing unless an agent had developed good networking. To echo previous postings, this incident involving the SAC and his sidekick has been very sad. Legacy agencies aside, no one Ive talked to at wk is happy about this. A dirty cop is always tragic, but taking one down is what sets us apart from third world countries.

Leonidas @ Thermopolye on October 12, 2009 at 10:36 pm


Please read the article again and feel free to post a relivent comment. Not one that is obviously been sturing in your mind for a long time while you just sit and wait for some kind of medium to express your personal concerns about Legacy INS vs. Legacy Customs. Context is key.

Just Noticed on October 13, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Yes, Senator. No Senator. Sir, what was the question?

    Old School. on October 13, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Hit spell check next time

    AUSA Light on October 13, 2009 at 11:08 pm

      Spell check. I see you missed a period.. At the end of your sentence. Better luck next time.

      Old School. on October 17, 2009 at 11:39 pm

This investigation is a joke. The OPR fools are all Customs agents who are in with KK. They like their cushy admin posting and dont want to make waves. How can people who have worked with and for people they have to investigate do the job? Answer: They cant! Its called conflict of interest. Customs IA does not believe in that apparently, because Customs IA is what ICE OPR is now. It’s all a joke. OPR agents got picked not because of merit but becuz of being pals with the GS there. The whole system is a sleazy cesspool of corruption. The LA Times should investigate and bring the whole house down. SAC/LA needs to be brought under a federal consent decree like the LAPD. I heard that a just retired ASAC that was in LA and then moved to LB is going to be indicted. Anyone know if this is true? If it is, then a few others are going to be indicted too I haveta guess.

cantstandla on October 13, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Yes he will be indicted, can’t have a CRS have a take home vehicle and work from home for a year and not expect something to happen. RC in Vegas should be very concerned also.

    AUSA Light on October 13, 2009 at 11:04 pm

Debbie, please keep the spotlight a-shining on this band of bandits! It motivating to see one or two of this bunch get their just rewards from time to time.

HQ GUY on October 13, 2009 at 11:59 pm

Hey, what’s being served at the LB “holiday party” this year? Can we still get the afternoon off?

Old School. on October 14, 2009 at 12:19 am

Yes as a former ICE SA I certainly agree 100% that the whole agency is messed up. All the good investigators bailed out to other agencies or earlied out. We actually cared about criminal cases and not worrying about who is on the SAC’S shit list, or who is the SAC’s pet grooming to be promoted to supervisor. OPR it is just not in LAX, it is everywhere even HAWAII. Take a look at the SAC in Hawaii, he’s has no balls, all about how he looks with his g-cars, and worrying about promoting whoever went to his former high school. Who cares if he has 3 or 4 years on the job. As long as he went to the same high school that the SAC went, it’s okay to promote him over others who are way qualified with generations of experience. What a joke!!!

Former ICE SA on October 14, 2009 at 3:45 am

Excuse me, Ranger 1811, but I was reading through your chest-beating nonsense posts and noticed that while you appear to have drank the Customs Kool-Aid, you mention being in your 40’s and from a post-merger FLETC class. Let me guess: you were a Customs inspector, tired of going through dirty underwear in luggage, getting close to 37, and getting ready to cut paper if you didn’t get an SA job. That’s it, isn’t it?
You’re legacy ICE, my man, not legacy Customs, no matter what you tell yourself.
As always, the biggest talkers and complainers are the biggest do-nothings.

Seventeen Eighty Whatever on October 14, 2009 at 7:00 am

Good ol boy system is alive and well in another SAC office in Northern CA as well…take a look around at the managers.

FormerSFGS on October 14, 2009 at 9:05 am

    It’s been like that for years in SF, glad I retired and got our while I could. Look at the upper management st the SF SAC office and the San Jose ASAC office. Nuff said.

    FORMERSFSA on October 14, 2009 at 3:39 pm

After reading all 121 comments on this article I have just one thing to add.

Praise be that I retired on January 13, 2001

Nigel Brooks on October 14, 2009 at 11:42 am

They politicians messed up merging Customs and Immigration in the first place, and need to remedy the situation. They need to just split us back up under DHS and make us Division of Customs and Division of Immigration. That way you can keep them under DHS, but as two seperate agencies. And then roll the Immigration SA’s over DRO and make them DHS/DRO and then make Customs agents DHS/ICE (Investigations and Customs Enforcement). This way things can get back to normal and we can quit griping about one another and do our jobs…

1789 4 Ever on October 14, 2009 at 2:09 pm

After reading these posts, I am disheartened. Agents get paid damn good money to do a job that, by all accounts, was always considered to be respectable. But, a good percentage of agents are NOT doing the job they are paid to do and lots of managers are NOT holding employees accountable. It is a vicious cycle that the old INS could not correct. Now, due to hasty mergers, poor hiring standards and the promotion of unqualified employees, ICE is the laughing stock of the federal law enforcement world. How sad. But, please be careful about what you post here; especially the use of full names and duty stations. Remember, law enforcement aren’t the only folks reading these messages. Those seeking derogatory information about LE are reading, as well.

All I can say is, if you are one of the ever-growing minority of hard workers who believe in working for a respectable agency, you have only one choice. Stop bitching and do something about it!

Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its' idiot on October 14, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Did you pass Con. 101? How do you think this thing happened? Law Enforecment is like a small town. Once things are in the open. All the better.

    Old School. on October 16, 2009 at 12:10 am

Seventeen Eighty Whatever the hell your name is,
Nope, never an inspector (although you sound like you have experience sniffing peoples underwear), there’s this paramilitary organization that wears green and rolls around the desert called USBP part of the old INS…joined USCS OI then ICE OI, the rest of my life you have no need to know about…I tell it how it is (If you read my handle you’d know why). I also embrace both authorities that make us ICE unlike many…

I hope that the outcome will be good for all of my bros who are still working agents in SAC LA no matter what happens..and by the way I never claimed to be the baddest 1811, in fact far from it. but I am always learning from those who know more than me and teaching and helping those who don’t. This is what makes our organization stronger.

Ranger1811 on October 14, 2009 at 8:44 pm

Ah,Ranger, looks like I struck a nerve. You know the legacy Customs guys you worship will never consider you one of them, with you being legacy ICE and all.
Again, a lot of talk for someone with a whopping four years as an SA. 🙂

Seventeen Eighty Whatever on October 15, 2009 at 5:24 am


    Don’t forget Rump Ranger’s intel background (or intell, as he so eloquently spells it). He sounds like a real winner (or weiner, as I would put it).

    Eye In The Sky on October 15, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    Ranger 1811 is signing out, but must say that 1. I dont and will never worship any man ICE, Customs, USBP, INS, CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, ICE, ATF, USSOCOM, SF, NavSpecWar whatever- you gotta earn your stripes as an agent/opeator/man to get my respect, 2. intel, intell, spelling I really don’t give 2 shits about because I may or may not have been in the game that you watch movies about, if you have fought, bled in Ramadi and Fallujah during Operation PF, Panama, and Mogadishu 1991-1993 as part of USSOCOM you would STFU (not that I have, in fact I am no one, I am nobody, I am a figment of your imagination, a ghost, I don’t exist I am your worst nightmare actually, I am one of a handful of SA’s who may have actually BTDT for the US of A and will continue to keep it real and call bullshit to punks, politicians, pretenders, and bureaucrats like you) So sleep well : ) RLTW! 1/75 cause Ranger1811 doesn’t play and will keep tellin the truth
    If you don’t know what that means you probably should continue being a lamb within the walls protected by MEN.

    DS, there are enough of us Special Agent 1811s in ICE OI who mean what we say and protect our country day in day out with no thanks or appreciation but will march on- don’t lose faith in the rank and file…justice will reign…even amongst the jaded!

    Ranger1811 on October 19, 2009 at 3:15 am

Hey ICE Manager – I spent three years on I Street and foudn that unless you are a friend Marcy or her minions there is now way to make a difference. The problem with the agency is a combination of folks like you and those who think this is a 9 to 5 job. Neither one of you has the experience and initiative to make the agency successful or to make a difference that actually matters for the public good.

We are law enforcement officers who have a wide range of statues to enforce. What case category you do or do not want to work really is not material to what may be assigned to you. For the money we get paid, we are obligated to do our best and make the personal sacrafices to get the job done.

Tired of the Legacy on October 15, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Tired of Legacy: I’m not a friend of MF nor do I ascribe to your views of 425 I Street. Is there dead weight and a lack of inertia? Absolutely. Do program managers and chiefs try to make a difference? Every day. Movement is incremental and there is plenty of progress that happens every day. It doesn’t get any attention because bad news is what people remember and focus on.

If you spent three years at I Street and never found yourself in a position to make a difference for a street agent, you might be the problem. If you did make a difference, however small, then you just invalidated your argument.

ICE Manager on October 15, 2009 at 1:30 pm

I have read all of the comments and truly I am disappointed that there continues to be so much fighting and terrortorial manuevering between L-INS and L-Customs. Let me say that as an attorney who works with Special Agents and has to litigate your cases, I find that there are good agents and bad agents. I have worked with lazy L-Customs agents and I worked with hard working L-Customs agents. The same holds true for L-INS agents. The bottom line: We are all on the same team. We have a mission to protect this country, to be leaders, to defend this country, to make certain that our children, family and friends are safe. We all upheld an Oath to safeguard this country which entails acting in a manner that is both ethical and professional.

Stop pointing fingers and do your job and do it well.

Backbone on October 15, 2009 at 5:39 pm

Sorry ICE Manager, like your postings but should have been an ‘excess’ of inertia, not a lack thereof. As for the original posting by Ms Schlussel, it wasn’t a surprise. Most employees who had reason to cross paths with BS/JS/SE and their cronies either wanted to join in, or have been praying someone higher up in the food chain would figure out there’s a problem with these folks. I’ve been praying.

Regardless of which legacy agency we’re talking about, the big offices rule the roost all the way to the top. Just count the number of muckety mucks from LA and NY — the offices are huge and the laws of probability make a promotional selection of an employee from one of those offices nearly a sure thing.

As for agency inefficiencies since the merger, the same 25% of the ICE 1811’s who are doing their job, and know how to do their job, were previously carrying all the Customs and INS stats. Bottom line, not everybody can do the job.

Still Working Everyday on October 15, 2009 at 6:04 pm

If BS was smart, hed get a good attorney and question the credibility of past OPR investigations starting with the one up there at ASAC/JFK where Peppermint Patty’s sister lied her face off about all kinds of stuff but was protected by her sister…

Sinking ship on October 15, 2009 at 8:35 pm

The ICE annuitant program is full of fraud, waste and abuse. They just hire their friends not anyone who is qualified. Why not just promote from within? Take home G-rides? They are no longer under Title 5 authority as law enforcement and neither is anyone in intel. The major of their work does NOT meet the requirements of law enforcement. Its fraud waste and abuse!

why on October 15, 2009 at 11:12 pm

No wonder why the acronym really stands for “IMMIGRATION CONTROLS EVERYTHING”.

Real BLUE on October 16, 2009 at 3:14 am

JS arrived from INS/HQ to SAC/SD in 2003 as a brand new ASAC with no first line supervisor experience. She was described by former co-workers as never having made a case as an INS agent before she went back to INS/HQ. She was smart and cute, but had no street savvy.

I always wondered who her hook was. Was Bob Schoch at INS/HQ at the same time as her? Could he have been the hook that made her an ASAC and then later brought her to SAC/LA as the deputy? Food for thought.

Cool Blue on October 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm

Lack of “good” inertia then. The place is a madhouse, but is every other HQ in DC. The external demands and requirements are another thing we don’t control.

As to the 25% comment, welcome to life. The other 75% are still doing surveillances and helping the stars. Well, not all of them but c’est la vie in all large and small agencies. Nobody has an outfit full of superstars.

ICE Manager on October 16, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Those of us who are in the 25% doing the wrok are not the ones being promoted….even when you have high 90’s on the promotional test.

    Nobody wants or can’t afford to go to HQ. Those who do, make the necessary contacts and are promoted because they did the required time at HQ, regardless if they are qualified.

    That is how you get GS with no field experience, how you get ASAC’s with only 6-7 yrs in and so forth.

    You want good managers? Promote agents at the southern border offices!

    Ground Pounder on October 19, 2009 at 1:47 pm

      Ground Pounder, if you don’t want to go to HQ then you can’t complain. If you can’t afford it then it is a different story. You don’t want to go and learn the admin side of the job, yet you want to be promoted. Field promotions happen, but no agency routinely promotes it’s agents without going to HQ.

      As for people with 90’s not being offered jobs, you are full of it. That they turned down the move to DC isn’t the fault of the agency. Agents constantly turn down selection offers and then complain that they’re not being promoted in place. It is what it is.

      ICE Manager on October 19, 2009 at 9:46 pm

Where is the update on this story?? It didn’t make the DHS News (or any news for that matter). Anyone in SAC/LA out there with an update? They drag a SAC and DSAC out of the the office and the only one that reports it is Debbie? No offense but you figure that someone has to latch onto this juicy gossip piece!

InquiringMind on October 17, 2009 at 9:03 am

ICE Manager,

Easy on the Kool-Aid. I have friends in many different fed law enforcement agencies, mostly the big ones, and when i tell them abou tthe shenanigans and the stories about these misfit manager in the field and HQ level, they are pretty surprised. Yes, other agencies are mucked at the HQ level, but none like ICE. People getting promoted to ASAC out in LA that never worked a damn day as a street agent? who also got sent to CITP as a G/S in Phoenix? That tale is one of many of goofballs who in the past 5 years rose through the ranks havent done s&*#. You can than former Director of OI Peppermin Patty for screwing the whole agency up. It will take YEARS to UNF*(# the damage done by her poor personnel decisions. Im glad A/S Morton got her out of there.

Dont kid yourself and think things arent rosy everywhere amongst other agencies. THings with ICE are bad and this recent nonsense out in LA is just the tip. Too many immature, inexperienced managers rising through the ranks too quick and now the rank and file have to suffer. Take a look at ISHARE. What a joke. People whining and complaining. The other amazing screwed up thing is at ICE HQ, you have all these dopey ADMIN people that have been empowered over the past years who think they run the agency. THe support and admin staff need to have it beat into their brains they ONLY EXIST because you have agents and officers ont the gorund in the field doing the work. We are a law enforcement agency, not a damn admin agency.

ICEFOOL on October 17, 2009 at 12:05 pm

ICEFOOL, the difference is that other agencies don’t tear each other to shreds in public forums. Google the Name d any agency and add grievance to the search. Government is government. Some are better off than others. Any new agency, and we are new regardless of prior history, has more issues in the beginning years.

How about the FBI 15 who had been a Soviet spy for decades?

ICE Manager on October 19, 2009 at 10:58 am


    I think you might be better suited for a heating and air conditioning (sic) type job.


    Old School. on October 19, 2009 at 10:26 pm

Poor ICE SA’s, you already have a silly acronym, keep on shredding each other a new one; this is the only place that you can.

other fed on October 19, 2009 at 11:31 pm

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