March 8, 2006, - 6:23 am

“V” for Propaganda

By Debbie Schlussel
[Note: You may perceive some of this column as a "spoiler".]
If you liked the politics of last weekend’s Oscar nominees, you’ll love “V for Vendetta.”
It’s an exciting, quality Bin Laden film.
But if you’re like the rest of mainstream America–you support our troops, believe in firmly responding to terrorists on our own shores, and/or respect Christianity–then, don’t waste your time at this piece of garbage masquerading as a superhero movie. It is anything but.
If most other Hollywood films subtly whisper of an agenda, “V” clocks you over the head with it with a still sizzling, iron frying pan of extreme leftism. It doesn’t arrive in theaters until March 17, but already the mainstream (ie. liberal) movie critics and entertainment media are raving about this egregious attack on our war on terror.

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“V for Vendetta”:

Natalie Portman, Guy Fawkes Mask-wearing “V” Are Terrorist Heroes

Based on the graphic novel series of the same name, “V” comes complete with all the bogeymen the far left loves to hate: NSA spying and wiretaps; government renditions and torture complete with Abu Ghraib hood fashions; lecherous, elderly Christian clerics in collars raping young girls; Islam, gay rights, and free speech under attack; and even a Bill O’Reilly-esque evil cable talk show host/wicked pharmaceutical billionaire/heinous military officer combo rolled into one character.
Oh, and by the way, the hero of the movie: He’s a terrorist in a Guy Fawkes mask, who blows up important government buildings. Sound familiar? His mask might as well be a kefiyeh wrapped around his head in a Nick Berg video.
The movie takes place in futuristic England, and there is only one American star (Natalie Portman, who plays the terrorist’s protege). But it’s quite clear to whom the “commentary” is directed: Joe and Jane American. When this movie takes place, “the United States of America” doesn’t exist anymore. America is in the midst of a civil war.
And America and the war on Iraq are the enemies–along with Christians and the right–in this movie. We are treated to newscasts about how “America’s War [on terror] spread to England.” One character–a gay, British Jay Leno type who hosts a latenight show–keeps a secret vault of prohibited items, including a giant poster of “the Coalition of the Willing,” depicting the American and British flags surrounding a swastika. Think about our troops fighting and dying in Iraq, before you decide to give your dollars to this film. Do you really think they are Nazis?
Also in the secret vault of sacred prohibited items: a Koran. Portman, whose Evie is the “heroine” of “V,” asks, why the Koran? “Are you a Muslim?” she asks the late-night host. “No, but its [the Koran's] images are beautiful.” Then he comments about how he can be executed for possessing the Koran. (Not a peep in this film about the thousands who’ve been executed in the name of the Koran and “its beautiful images.”)
Puh-leeze. If anything, both Britain and the U.S. have bent over backwards not only for the Koran, but for its extremist Muslim followers. Where Christian displays are absolutely forbidden in any schools, despite so-called “freedom of speech”; where Ten Commandments are removed from the Alabama Supreme Court, despite their being the basis for our legal system; children are required to learn about Islam, read from the Koran, and behave as Muslims in elementary schools, in the name of “tolerance” and “education.”
In “V”, while Islam and the Koran are treasured but prohibited, Christianity is pure evil. Nice juxtaposition, when in real life, the 19 hijackers, the ’93 WTC, U.S. Embassy, U.S.S. Cole, and British subway bombers were hardly Christians. Hmmm . . . what religion were they? We don’t recall Mohammed Taheri-Azar, saying on Friday in his post attempted-murder 911 call, that he tried to use his jeep to kill Americans in the name of Jesus. No, he mentioned someone else’s name, another religion . . . which are both nowhere blasphemed in “V.”
We’ve already mentioned the high-ranking Christian priest, who regularly rapes young girls procured for him through an “agency.” Before the priesthood, he was an evil military officer at a hospital where politically dissident youth had experiments conducted on them for the government (complete with Abu Ghraib-style hoods).
Then, there’s the government. It’s run by a religious Christian zealot. But not just any Christian zealot.
No. Chancellor Sutler is the supreme evil Christian. In order to get elected, he and the Bill O’Reilly-esque character (remember, before he became a cable host, he was a pharmaceutical CEO and made billions) arranged for hundreds of Brits to die from chemically poisoned water. The government said that terrorists did it, a story which became accepted fact and the conventional wisdom in media coverage. The fear that ensued garnered Sutler the chance to rule England, along with the martial law powers the English parliament gave him.
It’s no coincidence that the symbol used for his government is some sort of Cross-cum-Swastika combo. Not offended yet?
Under religious Christian zealot Sutler, gays are rounded up, imprisoned, tortured, and executed. Ditto for any dissidents, any left-wing activists, anyone who dares speak out against or flout the Chancellor’s actions. Tell that to the ACLU, which seems to be running legal policy in our country, these days, and its partner in crime, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the wealthiest “public interest” group in the U.S., to the tune of hundreds of millions. We don’t see any prospect of them being rounded up by the government anytime soon, unfortunately.
Under the religious Christian Chancellor, “unjust” Gitmo-style military tribunals and absurd NSA-style wiretapping is going on at every corner. Throughout the movie, we are shown vans of law enforcement personnel listening in to every home. As if that’s what NSA wiretapping was about. It isn’t, but “V” drills it into you the way the ACLU wants you to see it: every conversation in every kitchen, etc., secretly being listened in on and laughed at by guys in sweaty, rumpled shirts and ties.
The evil government law enforcement chief, Creedy, runs a meticulously ubiquitous surveillance program nationwide. If only our FBI’s Robert Mueller were so competent, we’d be safe. Instead, he’s cavorting with extremist Muslims and testified in depositions to ignorance of the most basic newspaper facts about Al-Qaeda.
Overall, the most outrageous thing about “V” is the ending. Instead of vanquishing terror, all of Britain sides with the terrorist hero of this movie. They celebrate his murder of all the top officials in government, his blowing up of the Houses of Parliament and other government buildings.
Terrorists and terrorism are the heroes, the government fighting them and trying to keep us safe are the enemy.
This is the glorious revolution? Osama Bin Laden must be very proud.

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82 Responses

Thank you very much for the review, Debbie.
I am so tired of this insulting trash from Hollywood.

Jeff_W on March 8, 2006 at 9:48 am

Dear Debbie,
Please try not to take it too hard. Itís just a movie. The theme seems to be based loosely on the book ì1984î only ending in victory instead of defeat and tweaked for a more modern appeal. Written in the late ë40s, it could not be considered part of your feared liberal agenda. I wonder at times, do you fear movies because you think America is composed of easily influenced fools who will fall victim or because you rely on people believing anything they are told and canít stand the competition.

MikeR on March 8, 2006 at 9:53 am

Come on MikeR. Do you not see the bias and hypocrisy of movies like V, Syriana, Paradise Now. When Hollywood refuses to make movies about the real enemies (Islam, liberalism), Debbie has a right to point out the agenda of these films. If the Jews control Hollywood, why are they so determined to bash the West? A lot of young people see these movies and get the impression that the gov’t is their enemy and anarchists are their friends. Who finances these ‘hate the West’ movies? Isn’t it ironic that the West, who does not hinder in any way the making or promotion of these movies, is ‘the enemy?’

John Sobieski on March 8, 2006 at 10:11 am

Natalie Portman, born in Jerusalem in 1981, should know better.

Ripper on March 8, 2006 at 10:16 am

I guess MikeR here never heard of the propaganda films that kept the german people in line in the 30’s & 40’s. Or has noticed the erosion of American society from the pap that two generations have been fed on film and in our schools.
You’re right to point this out Debbie. Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully when enough of these movies flop, they’ll finally get the message & stop making this leftist crap.

big mad john on March 8, 2006 at 10:38 am

See “Missed Tributes”, March 6, in the American Spectator On-line @www.spectator.org regarding Hollywood’s disconnect with America.
However, as with most thinking people I no longer go to the movies.
The closing line from “Oh Calcutta” is appropriate for most of Hollywood’s failed eforts.
The closing line is: ” Who wrote this piece of —-?”

Parkway Patriot on March 8, 2006 at 10:48 am

Supreme irony. U.S. soldiers freed survivors of the Holocaust who then migrated to Hollywood or their offspring did so.
The compassion of the saviors,i.e. the U.S. military and U.S. citizens, is repaid by vile, vituperative films which demean the U.S. which are produced in large measure by the survivors of the Holocaust and their offspring.
When one adds the hate-America films to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, al-Jazeera news, complemented by the DNC sponsored left-stream print meda, is it no wonder that the great unwashed are confused and vote Democrat?

Parkway Patriot on March 8, 2006 at 11:01 am

I think our country’s worst enemy is “Hollywood”. Nothing but Propoganda IMHO..We need to see more people (from that neck of the woods) like Mel Gibson for instance;) ;) I feel as a Christian that we are so under attack right now at every angle… We need more “Christian” film makers, movie starts and yes Politicians…to flex some muscles and take a huge stance by fighting back, speaking out for those with no voice or small voices.. Like us for example who seem to have no or little say anymore.. (Off on a rant.. I apologize.. But articles like this get the blood boiling..KWIM :)

2TurtleDoves on March 8, 2006 at 11:20 am

I’m thankful movies like this are made. Anything that stirs the bile of a wingnut so effectively is good. If Debbie suffers just a few gray hairs, a couple fitful nights of sleep, an hour or two of clenched teeth every time one of these terrible leftist transgressions stick in her craw so much the better. Stress is bad, it adds up and it probably shaves a few days, months or years off your life. Go ahead Debbie, have some stress courtesy of us lefties. It won’t do you any good, and that’s a good thing.

steve duncan on March 8, 2006 at 11:45 am

I understand; and in truth, itís easy to find fault with my comment. But my real point is that I donít like to refer to ìthe peopleî as stupid or gullible. We too are ìthe peopleî. Iím not swayed by this movie and Iím sure none of you will be either. If we label this movie as propaganda we could easily do the same for Debbieís work. Hollywood is not Moveon.org. Iíve devoted a great deal of study to history and know full well the use of propaganda. Furthermore, Debbieís tale of woe, echoed by many here, is not new. Itís found throughout history and is almost always disproved through time. So, Iím not going to declare myself to be superior to the average man yet I survived propaganda of the past and present. Say no to this movie by not going. I stand by my original statement. Donít take it too hard.

MikeR on March 8, 2006 at 12:00 pm

Oh my gawd this is the so stupid I canít fit it all into one comment thread, if you’d like my full reaction you may read it here. I donít like to blogwhore and I never bothered to register to comment before but his is a very special (in the Olympic sense) case.
Now, I have no doubt that Deb will delete this ASAP but let me just say in regards to this bit:
Terrorists and terrorism are the heroes, the government fighting them and trying to keep us safe are the enemy.
From that I can only conclude that Debbie Schlussel is a sniveling coward who would trade her freedom for fascism with the promise that she be safe and anyone who makes her feel uncomfortable be rounded up and liquidated. She is the worst sort of human slime and exactly the kind of moral decay that allows the growth of evils like Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.
Go hide in a closet Deb, leave living in the dangerous world to your betters.

salvage on March 8, 2006 at 12:06 pm

Ah no code needed for links, that always catches me out, here it is:
http://www.hairyfishnuts.com/articles/v%20for%20vendetta.htm

salvage on March 8, 2006 at 12:08 pm

I do agree with you, MikeR, that I don’t like to refer to “the people” as stupid or gullible. A lot are, but I still believe there is more common sense people than Hollywood believes, which is why the box office is slumping from what I’ve read and seen.
As for propaganda, I have to disagree that most of current Hollywood is pure propaganda. I don’t have any study to back me up, but like the Supreme Court Judge (Stephens?) said about obscenity, I know it when I see it.
I think it is VERY important to keep speaking up about these insulting films. I don’t know whether you are being disenguous or naive, but the “just a movie” argument is silly. George Looney’s current lefty movies don’t mean anything” “Brokeback Mountain” is not trying to further an agenda? PUHLEEEEZE!
Lastly, I don’t lie awake worrying about the Hollywood pinkos. I recommend voting where it matters most, with my money by not supporting Hollywood. As lefty as they are, they worship money above all and that sends the most important message.

Jeff_W on March 8, 2006 at 12:18 pm

Savage
I just read the web page that I assume you run. You really need to see a doctor and quit trying to write a blog that makes no sense what so ever.
If you are going to attack Debbie you should at least try to write something coherently rather than use ample expletives in your missives which make no sense to anyone but mental patients.

ScottyDog on March 8, 2006 at 12:40 pm

ScottyDog beat me to it! I too tried reading Savage’s crazy leftist rantings and couldn’t find a single coherent thought.

Concerned Conservative on March 8, 2006 at 1:13 pm

Dear Debbie,
This Hollywood Blitz is the proof that the LEFT is running scared and desperate. Their propaganda machine, which has done far more harm than some would have us believe, is in danger of financial ruin and complete irrelevance. It knows that it is going extinct and is lashing out. All diseased and psychotic things lash out in the end.
Those who criticize your commentaries by trying to make them seem childish or neurotic are also the proof of this. The LEFT is desperate to defuse sites like this at any cost by chiding them.
Being a Marine, I smile when I see these things … I can smell the fear and panic of my enemies.
I like that.
Only a drugged out Hollywood could come up with a movie like ‘V’. No one is going to destroy the Republic, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or the Churches and Synagogues with the American Military on watch.
The Left isn’t just an illusion, it’s a delusion. A force of words and images, the Dance Maccabre, a parody of Adult reality … look at Hollywood and Berkley. Could these gerbel worshipping wimps ever overthrow anything in a real fight? Could an army of drugged out social scum last 15 minutes in a real fight with the military?
Do you know why Marines get to pull riot control? Ask the idiots who were on the receiving end :)
But is Commie-wood doing harm? Yes. They can influence every idiot with an MTV IQ at the ballot box … which always was their only hope.
Look at the Clinton-Gore administration … MTV in the Oval office starring Pee Wee Herman, Earl’s little brother, and a neo-dyke version of Evita Perone.
The Left is desperate to get that back again … that’s why the Big Blitz.
Keep up the great work Debbie … I admire your devout patriotism. You tell it for what it is.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 1:24 pm

[One character--a gay, British Jay Leno type who hosts a latenight show--keeps a secret vault of prohibited items, including a giant poster of "the Coalition of the Willing," depicting the American and British flags surrounding a swastika.]
http://imdb.com/title/tt0434409/ looks as crappy as it gets. Plus gays – no, no, no.

InplainviewMonitor on March 8, 2006 at 1:29 pm

Hey everybody …
Is it my imagination, or does Salvage sound identicle to SOX ???
Well, I could be wrong, but the dementia levels are certianly identicle.
On the other hand … I guess high dementia levels are endemic to the LEFT.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 1:32 pm

Athling, your first post was awesome.
I salute you for your service and that post.

Jeff_W on March 8, 2006 at 2:34 pm

“Only a drugged out Hollywood could come up with a movie like ‘V'”
Just so all of you can direct your amusing hate of a movie you haven’t seen and obviously don’t understand to the proper place, it’s “Only a drugged out leftist writer from England could come up with a movie like ‘V'”
I SAW IT, FROM BEGINNING TO END.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Hector on March 8, 2006 at 3:59 pm

Thank You Jeff … the Truth always feels good. The Truth will always set you Free.
It doesn’t take guns to beat liars here in America … it only takes truth .. that’s what separates us from the rest of the world.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 4:04 pm

Hector … what makes you think that the Left in England is not the Left in America???
Surely you are not that naive.
I don’t have to roll around in crap to smell it at a distance. But, hey, some people understand crap a lot better than the rest of us … the NEA for example.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 4:07 pm

Not my point, though.
Surely, you can all blame Hollywood for making this movie, but the Wachowski brothers didn’t came up with it. It was written by a writer named Alan Moore more than twenty years ago.
Most of the things Debbie was complaining about were part of that, the blowing up government buildings, the concentration camps for dissident and gays, the rapist priest, etc were all part of the graphic novel the movie is based on.
All the Wachowski was update it a little bit, quite effortesly I might add.

Hector on March 8, 2006 at 4:20 pm

Hector,
This isn’t just post 9-11, it’s also post-McVey.
The fact that Commie-wood can and does act that irresponsibly simply bears out what I said about them not being ADULT.
I’ve read plenty of appocalyptic literature … that doesn’t mean that I need to excuse it on artistic licence when it deliberately targets things that I believe in … especially now that the blood really is flowing.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 4:27 pm

Do you believe in a totalitarian regime taking control of your life? In rounding up, abusing and killing those who are different? Do you believe in letting those in power getting away with everything they want? Do you believe it’s right for the goverment to take away every freedom from?
Those were rethorical, by the way. I don’t think you do. But those are the thing V for Vendetta targets.
It isn’t about post-9/11, the graphic novel was written as a reflection of Thatcher’s England. Everything else is just window dressing to update it to current times.
Of course, I’m talking about the GN, which I have read several times, and about what I’ve heard about the movie. For all I know the movie could be about something else entirely. Alan Moore hasn’t exactly been lucky with adaptations in the past.

Hector on March 8, 2006 at 4:46 pm

FYI;
As I recall, the original “V for Vendetta” graphic novel storyline involved a tyrannical government that came about through *socialized* programs, not through religious ones. I may be wrong. Also, while the left likes to equate the Right with Hitler and Nazis, it is certainly at least as appropriate (if not more so) to equate the Left with Stalin and Communists. What I think would be a better message than arguing over who should be wearing the boot on your neck, one should look at what policies must be in place to allow Tyranny of any stripe to assume such power. To do so, look at what measures were universally implemented by Tyrannical regimes, and oppose the policies, regardless of the letter that follows the politicians name who espouses them.
The one thing I am sure must have been enacted by this tyrannical government for the plot to be anywhere near believable, in this movie adaptation (which, btw, was shunned by the original creator), is gun control.
Armed people are never oppressed. It is like trying to burn water; it just won’t happen.
So, if you want to know who is acting most like a Nascent Tyranny, look at how a politician views the armed citizen. Is it with suspicion and distrust, or with respect?

doc Russia on March 8, 2006 at 6:07 pm

Nice try Hector,
When is political commentary art, and when is art treason?
Depends on what you call art, and what you know in your heart is treason.
Doc Russia summed it up nicely … Hollywood, the LEFT in general, likes to label any opposition as Fascist … that’s why the propaganda shot, their ‘revisionist’ version, equates my Flag and my Faith with a swastika.
The Libs are really the wanna be oppressors. They passed ‘Hate Speech’ laws against free speech, religious speech, and they limit access to the liberal media … they censor it … that’s why we even need Blogs … and every normal American is fed up with this crap.
The Lib tyranny … a paper tyranny of the mind … is over. The drugged out Boomers are now worthless and clinging to AARP, the drugged out Gen-Xers are completely unreliable and clinging to MTV, and the NORMAL people are completely fed up with this crap and the crime wave that came with it.
When is political commentary hypocrisy, and when is hypocrisy treason?
Depends on who and what you are in your heart.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 6:45 pm

Doc Russia …
I guess sometimes it does take the direct approach. No sense dancing around it.
The original ‘V’ was a warning against the marxist wing of the Libs. It was a warning against the very people who made this newest adaptation.
How poetic that the Hollywood Marxists would shamelessly dare to adapt it as their own devise.
How lyrical that they would also take a cheap shot at the very religions they’ve vowed to destroy.
How ironic that they get caught at every turn in a world that is now just a little too sophisticated for them … and their tired old myopic obsession with the dictaorship of the proletariate … poor sad little wanna be dictators.
As you said … how can anyone trust a politician who is paranoid about its own citizenry being well armed?
Worse … how can ‘they’ trust a military that is sworn to protect the Constitution and the Republic? … they can’t.
No wonder they’re pathologically paranoid ….they’ve earned it.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 7:20 pm

What??? No takers??? No Lefties out there who want to call me on what I said about the original ‘V’ being anti-marxist, anti-Lib ???
I love Hector’s comment insinuating that Alan Moore’s motive for creating ‘V’ was based on Margret Thatcher’s conservative government :)
You only need to know how well Moore got along with the Brits, especially the Brit Libs and their censorship of Moore’s best creative work to know the real basis of his resentment. For Moore there was no difference between a Commie or a Nazi, and his works reflected that sentiment.
Moore absolutely despized the Brit libs and their suck up American counter-parts. They threatened his best work … and, as you look around … where is Moore’s best work these days???
Ah, yes … censored out by the Lib controlled media at every level.
That’s how they work their lie … they censor something out, then wait long enough to ‘revise’ it without risking a copywrite litigation, then reconstitute it to suit their own aganda.
That’s why their grip on the media was dangerous.
But now the game is up … they get caught at every turn by Blog savvy people who thik for themselves.
This is no tribute to Moore … it’s what Debbie said it is … pure PROPAGANDA hiding behind and slandering a very talented man’s name and reputation.

Athling on March 8, 2006 at 8:15 pm

Wow.
Just wow.

salvage on March 8, 2006 at 8:45 pm

“What??? No takers??? No Lefties out there who want to call me on what I said about the original ‘V’ being anti-marxist, anti-Lib ???”
Yeah, I’d like to ask about how did you reach that conclusion.
By the way, I said that much of V is a reflection of Thatcher’s England. A period Moore completely despised. He says so in the introduction of the book.
“You only need to know how well Moore got along with the Brits, especially the Brit Libs and their censorship of Moore’s best creative work to know the real basis of his resentment. For Moore there was no difference between a Commie or a Nazi, and his works reflected that sentiment.”
Do you have a source for this?
Slandering Moore? For drawing a parallel between the United States and the dystopian future of V for Vendetta? Well, no. He has done it himself, after all:
“Well, the one thing with writing stories about the rise of fascism is that if you wait long enough, you’ll almost certainly be proved right. Fascism is like a hydra — you can cut off its head in the Germany of the ’30s and ’40s, but it’ll still turn up on your back doorstep in a slightly altered guise. I’d agree that the current situation is particularly alarming. I tend to think that this momentum seems to have sprung up entirely from a group of largely discredited, extreme right-wingers who have been skulking in the shadows since the Ford administration and have suddenly come into the light of day surrounding George W. Bush. I think they’ve overreached themselves, at least I hope that.”
http://www.salon.com/books/int/2004/07/22/moore/index1.html

Hector on March 8, 2006 at 8:57 pm

You hit it right the first time, Athling. I thought as I read Debbie’s review that the Hollywood Left is making movies like this because it is the only way that the left can have their views “validated”–or at least be able to see or hear them. Think about it. They cannot get it from talk radio (we own that); they cannot get it from books and magazines (they don’t read much); and they don’t get it from the administration (they believe more like us than the left).
The left is so filled with rage that they will do whatever it takes to “get their view out” because they believe that the public agrees with them–or at least it will if they can get the public to hear that message. If they cannot get their message out, you will see them go completely insane. Of course, they already are insane, but it’s only noticable when they lose power and cannot hear their message or if they hear the truth.
Hang in there, Debbie. Don’t blow a gasket over their rants and propaganda movies. Laugh instead. It will irritate them. Taking them seriously will give them some semblance of validation.

Loser on March 8, 2006 at 11:02 pm

I think it’s a good idea to see movies like this. That way when someone starts ranting about our imperial presidency or how we were lied into war, you can say, “Did you see V for Vendetta? That was real tyranny. You can’t possibly equate our lives to this.”
Of course reason doesn’t usually win over emotion with these sorts of people, but you get the idea.

mixina on March 9, 2006 at 12:16 pm

Funny how a story written so long ago in an entirely different country could cause you such concern.
I live in the area the graphic novel is set, it is a tale of what could happen, same as Orwell’s 1984. They are not meant to depict any real events, they just serve as a warning.
I think the reason Debbie is upset is because she doesn’t like the fact that parrells can be soo easily drawn between the film and what is happening in America right now.
I mean really, is that such a good thing?
A story based around the rise of fascism and the loss of civil liberties, being soo easily compared to the Bush administration?
No wonder the right is attacking the film like mad.
You should step back and ask yourself, how come this movie is soo easily compared, surely such a movie should be as far removed from our Leadership as possible, people like Debbie shouldn’t be able to insinuate that the movie is about modern day events, because we shouldn’t be living in a world where anything is comparable to such a story.
Yet we do, and Debbie can attack the movie as if it was an attack on Bush or the Right, or more likely in her warped mind, the righeous, you just have to ask yourself how come she can do that?
Remember this America, you had the McCarthy years not so long ago, something I expect Debbie is very proud of, something any self respecting American is ashamed of, freedoms, liberties, they ceased to exist for a time.
What makes you think people like Debbie won’t take you there again?

Fong on March 9, 2006 at 3:30 pm

The point is that these movies influence people’s minds. Not everyone is so intelligent that they can see through all the metaphors. What about the young minds in our homes?
I read guys like MikeR and it becomes obvious that he has no children. The future is our youth. They WILL believe in the possiblility of these movies as they view them now and in the future unless they are taught otherwise. But with all the irresponsible fathers who either play part time dad to their kids or completely abandon them, who is left to raise the youth of tomorrow? The media! If you don’t believe that then you are naive, ignorant and obviously have no kids!
Still Don’t believe it? Check out what Rap and Rap videos have done for the moral attitude and language of the youth of America since Rap’s induction into society in the 90’s. Still don’t see it? Then YOU ARE BLIND!

Deep Throat on March 9, 2006 at 5:52 pm

The problem with this is that it’s not the film’s or source material’s fault for promoting a Leftist agenda…it’s the world’s fault for becoming in such a state where similiarties can be drawn oh so closely to the material.
Debbie seems to be able to draw any similarities with this and the current state of the world is because it is happening. Or at least happening in such a way that Debbie at least could decry it that it isn’t happening.
It’s a movie people, made from geeks for geeks. I’d probably agree somewhat with this review if it was produced by someone like Clooney or some other celebrity that is overly “leftist”, but considering this is a movie adaption of a comic, leads me to think that Debbie et al. seems to be making too much of a big deal about what’s essentially the equivalent to Pokemon.
And as for deep throat, children are influenced by media because they are stupid and lazy, not because they are impressionable. We need a good depression to smarten them up.

RidgeRop on March 9, 2006 at 10:43 pm

Hector,
Just put his name into Google and read all of the entries … maybe you’ll encounter something that will wise you up.
Moore was ‘anti-establishment’ … he viewed all oppressive government as Orwellian. He saw no difference between fascists and Marxists. And, let’s face it, the modern Libs are heavy handed these days.
Fascists are socialists … nazis are socialists … marxists are socialists … progressive liberals are socialists … all socialists get arrogant … and all socialists regulate media, destroy free speech, and denounce anyone who opposes them as EVIL .. as if they’re always the good guys.
Moore pretty much hated Orwellian types as much as he hated Neo-Cons. Just look at his art. So, yeah, trying to use Moore to prop up a cheap shot propaganda stunt for the Left is as cheap and as shoddy as it gets. Especially since thewy waited until the copyright expired then used the following language … a movie ‘based upon’. Yeah, sure … Anyone who lies that pathologically never once had a clue about truth or honesty.
This isn’t about LEFT vs RIGHT … this is about Orwellian mentality. You know .. like when Hillary was running around with all of those FBI files in the White House …ever wonder where those files went off to?
But … and here’s the clincher … the Brits ripped him off. They got caught at it, and covered it up with legal double talk.
Moore had no use for Thatcher, but he had no use for the Brit Lib establishment that back stabbed him.
Funny how Libs are as filthy as Neo-Cons when it comes to money :)

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 12:12 am

Who are the Nazis?
The Nazis were not fascists … the stupid French Fascists betrayed France and let the Nazis in … then woke up in a real nightmare when they found out the Nazis were not Fascists. The NAZIs used fascists as pawns.
The Nazis were Eugenic Marxists.
Abortion, euthanasia, animal rights … all of it right out of Hitler’s little handbook … the platform of the modern Progressive Libs at DNC .. whooppiee!!! WE ARE THE WORLD !!! Seig Heil, cha cha cha.
And then someone has the nerve to call Bush a Nazi … oh the side splitting humor … I can’t take it anymore!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ya gotta love the LEFT … marching knee jerk to the Ober Munchkin anthem and swearing that they are ‘liberals’ … LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Not to worry folks … the American Military watches these things, roles its eyes, sighs deeply … but knows that Americans always snap out of it sooner or later all on their very own.
No socialist banana republics here, thank you.

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 12:56 am

Did you somehow missed the part of the interview where I posted where Moore himself sees parallels with Bush’s America?
Here is it again, just for you:
“Well, the one thing with writing stories about the rise of fascism is that if you wait long enough, you’ll almost certainly be proved right. Fascism is like a hydra — you can cut off its head in the Germany of the ’30s and ’40s, but it’ll still turn up on your back doorstep in a slightly altered guise. I’d agree that the current situation is particularly alarming. I tend to think that this momentum seems to have sprung up entirely from a group of largely discredited, extreme right-wingers who have been skulking in the shadows since the Ford administration and have suddenly come into the light of day surrounding George W. Bush. I think they’ve overreached themselves, at least I hope that.”
So, there you are. Alan Moore. The writer of V for Vendetta. Drawing parallels between his fascist Britain and Bush’s America. He loathed Thatcher, he loathed Reagan, both Bushed, etc.
So, yeah. He’s extremely anti right-wing nuts.
So, I ask you, again, where can I found all the examples of the work he had censored by those elusive brit libs. Or are just making stuff as you go? Do you even know who Alan Moore is?
I ask because I do. I have read books about him, I have wrote about him and have read most os what he has written.
And you don’t seem to have an idea about what you’re talking.
Are you going to answer, or are just going to keep talking to yourself?

Hector on March 10, 2006 at 1:28 am

Fong,
There were two McCarthys … not one as in the ongoing Hollywood fiction … the commie-wood social mythology. However, for the sake of brevity ….
EVERYTHING McCarthy said about the Hollywood marxists came true … to the letter.
Oh WoW !!! Where’s the block buster movie to cover that little fact?
Instead we get their ‘woe is me’ Blacklist movies … poor misunderstood little commies who only wanted to betray America and drag it into the nearest socialist moral sewer as soon as possible .. how dare they blacklist us???
I hate McCarthy every time a Lib attacks the 10 commandments in a public forum.
I hate McCarthy every time the Libs extend their ‘Hate List’ to crush freedom of speech.
I hate McCarthy every time a ‘special’ law is created that undermines the very concept of equality under the law.
I hate McCarthy every time I have to protect my kids from being sodomized by a Loyal Democrat.
Self respecting? Liberal now means Libertine … the sewer that spawns all filth, moral and social.
Everyone knows it … so why pretend otherwise? Your Hollywood glorifies it at every opportunity.
You people are the Dance Maccabre in a world that is too dangerous for such infantile narcissism in the Halls of Power …
Unless we want another ‘self respecting’ Liberal repeat of the Monica thing in the Oval Office … starring Pee Wee Herman, Earl’s little brother, and the neo-dyke version of Evita Perone.
Yeah Fong … self respecting … I can’t even believe that a Liberal would stoop to using such a ‘conservative’ word.

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 1:58 am

I have a simple question for supporters of Bush. Has nothing to do with V but it is an interesting question.
When asked 4 days after Katrina Bush replied.
“No one knew, no one could have anticipated.”
This was touted by the Right as the reason that Bush didn’t do anything, well he couldn’t could he, no one knew, if no one knew, how can you blame Bush. He isn’t psychic he can only react to the information he has, not his fault!
Then we find out that he did know the day before the disaster hit, that he was told in a conference call, quite clearly, on more then one occasion about how big this storm was.
What do the right say about the interview where he claimed that no one knew?
Oh a slip of the tongue, a minor slip is all.
Ok, lets say we believe that was just a slip of the tongue, a rather fortunate slip of the tongue that created a lovely excuse for him, but lets pretend that we believe the propaganda that he didn’t mean to say that.
Then what was his excuse for doing nothing then?
Remember, his excuse for doing nothing was because no one could have known it was going to happen. Well we now know that people did know it was going to happen, and they told Bush, and we know that Bush knew, because his claim that he didn’t know was a slip of the tongue.
Well what’s his excuse now for not doing enough?

Fong on March 10, 2006 at 2:03 am

Hector,
How many times do I have to say it … He’s anti establishment, he always was anti-establishment, he always was a big fan of LSD, and he’s always had that early druggie paranoia for any form of government that seemed to him authoritarian.
YES … he hates Neo-Cons … I never once denied it.
What YOU keep going DEAF on is that his history, his backgrpound, brought him into contention with the Brits. Not just a dislike for Thatcher … his legal problems were with the Lib establishment as well. They, his so called Lib buddies, ripped him off big time when he was under contract to them … and I’d like to hear him deny it publicly … too many on the record statements, too many interviews, too much public venom to back out now without playing the all time hypocrit.
Moore’s message always was simple … anything Orwellian is BAD.
Turn the clock back … his views were out of what era?
Have you ever read Clockwork Orange? Try to convince me that it depicted a Conservative social scheme.
Most anti-Orwellian work targeted the Brits through the 60’s and 70’s. And the Brits were Moore’s favorite target well before Thatcher. So, for the neo-Orwellian Left of today to pretend to be the good guys is a bit much.
If you don’t like Bush, fine … scream bloody murder … but don’t try to pretend that Moore’s early works did not denounced the very mentality that we see in the modern Left today.
Thats MY point … the hypocrisy of this whole ‘V’ thing.
It’s a rank propaganda scam. And to call the Conservatives Nazis … that’s a bit over the top while the Libs are pressing for the smoothering decay of a socialist NWO sans the Bill of Rights.
Who’s kidding who here Hector? Anyone can pick up a comic and know that every word I said about his hatred for the Orwellian, of any stripe, is true.

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 2:25 am

FONG,
FEMA has been so over-engineered by the mommy state mentality that it’s a wonder it can ever work again.
There is more than enough blame to go around to both sides, which is why I get annoyed with the witch hunt mentality.
A Lib Judge blocked the Army from putting in he spill ways because they upset the ecological mantra. The spill ways prevent back flow, back flow will always raise the incomimg tide,and in a severe storm the high tide took out the walls.
So who murdered the people of New Orleans? A mayor who didn’t move fast enough or efficiently enough? A governor who was asleep through most of it? A FEMA director who may or may not be a total incompetent? A President who does not have God like powers after all?
Or an eco-nazi Liberal judge who stopped the one Army project that would have limmited the high tide scenareo and maybe saved all of those innocent lives. But, hey, ecology first … right man???
Want a witch hunt??? Your side better be very careful about the BS lies they’re telling.
Like I said, there’s more than enough blame to go around … so why not accept your share of it?
Oh yeah … Libs are blameless … Never do anything wrong.

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 2:37 am

“It is Ok, we will have the assests you need on the ground”
As said by Bush to FEMA and everyone else you want to blame.
They are Bush’s own words. He spoke them to those people in a conference call.
I am not asking for God Like powers, but when a leader says, I will make sure that there are assests on the ground, and when the time comes, there are no assests on the ground.
Then I think they should take the blame.
Not lie about it, and pretend they didn’t know, not go all shifty and blame everyone else. But stand up tall and say, Yes I made a mistake.
Bush doesn’t, seems incapable of doing that, instead he goes all weasly and starts to lie.
YOu then back him up on those lies, and when he is found out, like he is every time, you pretend that the lie wasn’t the major issue anyway, and that really it was something completely different.
It is a theme of the Bush Presidency, first we were told Yes WMD do exist, absolutely 100% he has weapons of mass destruction and a program to build more. Wrong, but that wasn’t the issue, we went becuase he was getting nuclear stuff from Nigera. Wrong, but that wasn’t the issue we went because of links to Al-Qaeda. Wrong, but that wasn’t the issue we went because we wanted to free the people of Iraqi.
When you just pull out because Iraq has fallen into civil war and there is nothing you can do about it, how you going to explain that you just wanted to free the people of Iraq.
See all these lies and excuses and just plain stupidity that takes time to disprove, just distances us from the moment.
The moment is when the country is angry, when it is upset, when it wants answers.
Bush doens’t have any answers. So he makes them up. Then by the time he is found out, the moment has passed, people are forgetting Katrina in favour of some other issue that Bush will just make up an excuse for to get past.
Look at the past years of the Presidency, it has been one fumbling load of old rubbish after another, statements that are found out weeks or months later to be entirely misleading or untrue, but by then its too late.
Maybe if we didn’t live in the age of superfast communications and instant endless news and entertainment, we might be able to hold onto an issue long enough to clobber Bush with it.
Unfortunately we don’t, and Bush staggers from one disaster to another with a trail of lies lingering behind him.

Fong on March 10, 2006 at 3:48 am

Thanks Debbie and other commentators.
Not all Brits are scummy little traitorous drugged out whinge-bags.
Fuck this film and the Hollywood morons that backed it.
Why do you think they set the film in Britain?
They would have been lynched if they had shown the WhiteHouse being Blow apart.
I hope Hollywood goes bust. You despoil the memory of Chaplin and the many Brits and European film-makers that went there and created the store house of Cultural wealth that Hollywood once was.
When will the Jewish film-makers of West Hollywood realise their asses are on the line and it’s time they stood up to the Left-leaning faggots whose lives revolve around the mirror and the line of coke.
Wake up you bloody fools and make some films that tell the truth.
Before they build minarets on your Synagogues.
Not that you go there anymore.
Hollywood…Change now before you fall into obscurity and your bank-balances empty, you cowards.

WarriorBlood on March 10, 2006 at 8:33 am

Fong;
Bush and FEMA’s assets were waiting for authorization by Governor Blanco to deploy. She hesitated, and was more concerned about what kind of wardrobe to wear than actually getting the aid in.
Let me ask you this:
What would your reaction have been had Bush simply ignored the duly elected governor of Louisiana, and sent in Government forces to impose order and provide aid?
Personally, I do not want *ANY* president to be able to do that.
The one lesson EVERYBODY should have learned from Katrina, New Orleans, and Ray Nagin, is that the government is unreliable. For this reason, I strongly encourage people to be self-reliant. As a corollary, the people who suffered the least in the aftermath of Katrina were those who had made their own preparations, and decided not to rely upon the government (local, state, or federal) for their welfare.
If you cannot take care of yourself, and must rely upon the government to take of you instead, then you are a slave to that government. All they need to do to keep you in line, and keep you slaving away for their own purposes is to threaten to withdraw support. So, you will do whatever they say, as long as they keep the ‘help’ coming.

doc Russia on March 10, 2006 at 10:33 am

Ah … more Lefty distractions from the main theme. They’re running scared:)
Back to ‘V’ ……
Hector,
Moore hates all Conservatives. He equates a normal society with fascism. Moore’s dream is the Dance Maccabre from all of that LSD he took. That he hates Neo-Cons is no secret. The dirty little lie is that he ‘now’ loves the Commie Left.
Moore got victimized by a process called ‘mining’. This is the ugly truth about media, including Hollywood. Mining is a legal way for
companies to sidestep plagiarism litigations from their employees. The company publishes most of the work, but holds back the best work, then pays someone else ‘much less’ to reconstitute it. Moore got mined by the Brits. This became a very public scandal.
Now, all this time later, the Wolachinski Brothers, on Hollywood’s payroll, run another end play around Moore. The end play is ‘based on’ a work by Moore. Funny how the Hollywood Commies loath Neo-Cons but act even worse when it comes to their own profit margins.
So … and here’s the sad little secret … faced with being completely disenfranchised by both the Brits and Hollywood, good old Moore sold out so they’d throw him a scrap. Fine, he hates Neo-Cons, but to let his exploiters alter his work for their own propaganda stunt … poor little Moore.
So who is the dirty, evil power behind all of this? Not the Conservatives.
I’m not writing this for you Hector. I know who you are … rhetorically speaking of course. This is for everyone else who loves pursuing
the truth. This is very easy to substantiate by using Google.
So who is the evil power?
How about an industry so corrupt and evil that it pretends to ideology while ‘mining’ its victims, then steals from them using the ‘based on’ label, and maybe throws them a scrap if they play along with an endorsement.
Anyone who trusts Hollywood is very naive. Anyone who doesn’t know how their propaganda machine works should find out. If ever there should be a RICO filled against an industry, it’s Hollywood and any other Leftist controled outlet. They corrupt everything they touch.

Athling on March 10, 2006 at 1:13 pm

Repeating the same thing over and over again doesn’t make it true, Athling.
And, once again, you have failed to produce one single link about these things you have been saying. Not one.
So, once again, I ask, where is the source of your claims? If your answer, once again, turns out to be ‘search in google’ I must conclude that you don’t have any idea what about what you’re talking about.
Like this, for example:
“So … and here’s the sad little secret … faced with being completely disenfranchised by both the Brits and Hollywood, good old Moore sold out so they’d throw him a scrap. Fine, he hates Neo-Cons, but to let his exploiters alter his work for their own propaganda stunt … poor little Moore.”
Since we have already established that Moore himself sees parallels between Bush’s America and V’s future, as he himself said so, there is no reason to pity him.
Also, you seem to imply that this is Moore endorsing the movie so Hollywood ‘throw him a scarp’ See? These are the kinds of things that make me think you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.
First of all, when Moore said that, he hadn’t read the script for V, so there wasn’t any endorsing. He said so because he tought so.
And second, have you seen the posters for V for Vendetta? Have you noticed they read ‘Based on the Graphic Novel illustrated by David Lloyd’? You know why is that? Because after being sued for copyright infringement by someone who claimed The League of Extraordinary Gentleman movie was a rip-off he swore off Hollywood forever.
So, sold-out? No. Because his toughts on the US asa potentially dangerous fascist state are from well before the movie was made. And since his toughts on the setting are very similar to what will be on the screen, there is no need to pity him, either. Also, since he doesn’t want anything to do with the movie for reasons entirely different from what we’re discussing, there is no need for him to play along for ‘scraps’
Oh, and David Lloyd? He endorses the movie completely.

Hector on March 10, 2006 at 5:23 pm

Hector,
This isn’t about Moore’s beliefs. It never was. We all know what Moore is. His LSD addled brain views all normal society as Fascist … like anyone is really surprised.
As for the links .. are your fingers broken??? .. am I your maid service or something? Put Moore’s name into Google, read everything that comes up … not all of it is Lefty propaganda.
Look for the good stuff about the litigations and ‘mining’.
The other’s on this site have already done it … that’s why I brought this up in the first place.
It’s for them, not you … it’s obvious who you are … rhetorically speaking, of course :)
But his isn’t about Moore either, per se. And it’s not even about the Wack-o-ski Bros. They get paid to rework someone else’s talent into Lefty propaganda trash like Matrix … they destroyed a perfectly good movie with that socialist fairytale crap .. man I almost cried at that point.
This is about ‘mining’, ‘revising’, ‘stealing’, and worse by Hollywood.
Hollywood accuses the Right of being Fascist, but Hollywood runs itself like any money grubbing Neo-Con mafioso dictatorship. Tell me it’s not all about the money and nepotism in Hollywood.
Then Hollywood has the nerve to pretend to ‘a higher moral ground’ to launch trash propaganda like this???
And then here YOU are pimping this off as valid, as if Bush is somehow a Fascist, as if Hollywood or Moore are sane enough to be an authority ??? How much dope does it take to reach those kind of conclusions, Hector?
This argument started about ‘V’ being propaganda … it is propaganda … it is propaganda generated by people who are so degenerate that they never will get near real poliical power … they’ve got way too much to hide.
But Hollywood sells UFO and Alien movies to the sane people for entertainment … then movies like ‘V’ for the mentally defective. That’s why ‘V’ sells so good.
It’s irresponsible … but Hollywood loves to sell fear to the weak minded … it always pays big bucks … and MONEY is GOD in Hollywood.
The Left is the Dance Maccabre … nothing Moore and nothing Lesse .. and Hollywood makes a fortune off of it :)
What evil are you talking about Hector??? You asked who’s behind ‘it’ … what ‘it’ ???
We are at war … security is always high during war … the Dems kept the security high even in the Cold War, or did you forget that part?
Bush is acting like Cold War Democrat … nothing more and nothing less … and if that scares you … oh golly :)

Athling on March 12, 2006 at 8:05 pm

I see that, once more, you have completely failed to substantiate your claims of Moore battle against the evil Brit libs.
So, you say ridiculous remarks without any kind of backup and expect me to substantate them for you? No doubt you must adore the chimpanzee you have for president.
Anyway, hopefully V for Vendetta is a success. It’s the kind of movie the lethargic audience needs to awake from their stupor. Obviously not you, Athling. You have already made your own mind about a movie you haven’t seen just because Ms. Schlussel didn’t liked it. Apparently you like to be told how to think. A movie about freedom and personal responsability like V is supposed to be about isn’t for you.

Hector on March 13, 2006 at 12:20 am

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