December 4, 2009, - 4:35 pm

More Evidence of Dry Run: Steve Gill’s Interview w/ AirTran Flt. 297 Passenger & Chaplain

By Debbie Schlussel

****  UPDATE, 12/06/09:  AirTran resorts to attacking passengers and engaging in character assassination to deflect Muslim Dry Run story.  Airline may be sued for defamation. ****

Earlier today, I told you about Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson, another passenger on AirTran Flight 297 from Atlanta to Houston on Tuesday, November 17th, on which passenger Tedd J. Petruna encountered and helped foil eleven Muslim men who were apparently engaged in yet another Islamic terrorism dry run.

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It’s no surprise that AirTran, the TSA, and other authorities are circling the wagons and claiming that Petruna’s and, now, Dr. Robinson’s, accounts aren’t true. That’s what they always do. Attack the messenger to block the truth. But I believe Petruna and, now, Robinson. AirTran and the authorities have every motivation to lie. They acted in the best interests of . . .? Well, certainly not their passengers.

As we know, authorities think we shouldn’t know about these things. They don’t want us to panic or to be suspicious of Muslims, when they’re busy doing outreach over shawarmeh at “Ahmed’s Falafel Hut.” But I had the same experience when Detroit Metro Airport police told me a bomb was found on a Northwest flight, which was evacuated, and Northwest denied it. Or when Muslim men were on a Northwest flight from Detroit to Los Angeles and DHS released a report that was mostly redacted (because if it’s redacted, it didn’t happen, right?).

As I told you, prominent Tennessee-based radio talk show host, Steve Gill, conducted a lengthy, in-depth interview with Dr. Robinson, who confirmed everything Mr. Petruna wrote in his e-mail about what happened on that flight.  Reader H.O. transcribed Steve’s interview, which I’d like you to read.  Steve gave me permission to post that transcription here.  Steve is no lightweight or fringe conspiracy theorist.  He’s a major talk radio host in the South (as well as an attorney, professor, and former White House fellow) and asks the tough questions. And his show is nationally syndicated on radio stations across the country.

Radio Talk Show Host Steve Gill Interviews AirTran Flight 297 Passenger Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson:

Steve Gill “. . .Middle Eastern men that were on the plane and that, as they had pulled back from the jetway to taxi to the airport or to the runway. . .that uh, he said two had gotten up and were taking pictures with their cell phones of the other passengers on-in that area. This is while the plane is taxi-ing on the runway. That’s what he said, yes.

Ok, hang on. We are going to talk more. Keith Robinson was there. He’s
relating more of what happened on Flight 297. Air Tran says oh, no. Nothing happened. It was just a misunderstanding. One guy just didn’t shut off his cell phone. Keith Robinson was there, he’s going to give us more of the scoop that the main stream media seems to be ignoring. Well, maybe some of them are starting to catch on. We’ll follow up with Keith Robinson with more on the Steve Gill Show in just a moment.

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Steve Gill: Hey, welcome back again, this is the Steve Gill Show. An incident occured on Air Tran Flight 297 on November 17th on a flight from Atlanta to Houston TX. A Tedd Petruna who works for the National bouancy lab in Houston Tx for NASA accounted for what happened and what he saw on that flight. It has now gone viral all over the internet and despite the fact that AirTran and others that are trying to cleanse the story including the msm are saying that an anonymous e-mail has spread a false rumor. Well, it’s anonymous.

Tedd Petruna is a real guy. I talked to him myself yesterday for quite some time. He has confirmed that everything that he wrote in his e-mail is what he saw. Other passengers are starting to confirm what they saw and experienced It will be interesting to see whether the flight crew will step forward or whether they are being threatened by Air Tran Airlines with their jobs to keep them silent. Another guy who was there, who saw what happened as it happened is Dr. Keith Robinson, a health media consultant and communications specialist, critical incidents response chaplain and he’s relating the story to us here on the Steve Gill show.

Now, Keith, you are telling us that basically as these men were acting up on this, in this group of eleven or twelve people, did anybody tell you who they were, where they were going, what, where they were from? Any of that information come to light, by the way?

Robinson: No, no. There was only, they only spoke Arabic. And uh, so I didn’t understand what they were saying once I came on board, but the people. . .

Steve Gill: they were continuing to talk. One of the things I wanted to get to is that basically the passengers were telling you they were doing gestures like they were going to shoot people, they were refusing to sit down as the plane was taxi-ing to the runway. You don’t do that on any plane anywhere! This business that ‘I didn’t understand ‘ is a bunch of crock!

Robinson: Well, it’s true that the uh, these are abnormal actions that anybody should be making. I mean, we’ve had ministers wives thrown off planes for less than that. Um, so

Steve Gill: Exactly. Christian minister’s wives.

Robinson: Yes, yes.

Steve Gill: So the folks at AirTran are saying that Homeland Security was never involved and that you talked to a man who was supposedly there claiming to be from Homeland Security flashing a badge, claiming that he was there to assess the situation.

Robinson: That’s correct. As I went down the jetway, I met him and relayed to him what the gentlemen had just told me. And he said, well, I’m Homeland Security, that’s my job here.   So, I said, well, I’m a chaplain with the international fellowship of chaplains and this is what we do. So, if I need to help you, let me know. I went ahead and boarded the plane and the new flight crew was on the plane. I’m not sure they were fully briefed as to what they were walking into.

Steve Gill: Now it’s not just that one stewardess left the plane, the entire flight crew that experienced these eleven to twelve muslim men, the entire flight crew said we’re outta here. We’re not flying. And about twelve passengers including Tedd Petruna also got off the plane.

Robinson: That’s correct. That’s correct.

Steve Gill: The people that stayed on and there were what, about sixty folks or so?

Robinson: It looked like there may have been that many. There was only one person that, other than some pilots that were going to make connections probably in other, in Houston, um, had boarded and they sat up towards the front. The only other person that boarded that I saw, was me. And uh, the fella warned me, that I had spoken to, he said, ‘you’re not getting on that plane, are you?’ And I said, well, yes. He said, ‘how come? These guys are doing this stuff?’ And I said, well that’s where chaplains are supposed to be. You know, if they’re upset then, that upset about it, the folks left on that plane are pretty upset too.

Steve Gill: Do you know if that guy you were talking to was Tedd Petruna or another passenger?

Robinson: No. This was another gentleman. This was the first guy that tried to get off the plane and uh, so I continued down. I told the flight attendants I’ll be in the middle of the plane if you need me. If there’s anybody that’s getting close to breaking or something, bring them to me and we’ll go sit and talk and we’ll work through this. And they were pretty concerned already. The flight attendants that got off were sobbing, their faces were red, they were obviously stressed. They could not have flown. They could not have served us. They couldn’t take care of themselves at that point in time. They were so stressed.

Steve Gill: At this point the men were continuing to laugh and behave in kind of a strange way as this continued. Keith, I want you to hang on a second as we take a quick break. There’s more to this story and folks – it gets worse! We’re back in a moment with Keith Robinson who was on flight 297.

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Steve Gill: Welcome back, this is the Steve Gill Show live at the Opryland Gaylord Resort Convention Center in Nashville. I’ll talk a lot about Christmas today, but I’ll also talk about a disturbing  incident aboard an AirTran flight, flight 297 Atlanta to Houston on the afternoon of November 17th. Tedd Petruna, a passenger on that flight has shared what happend in an e-mail that has gone viral. I’ve got that e-mail linked up on our website. We talked with Tedd Petruna personally, myself last night for about 45 minutes and he verifies that everything he had written in his account is exactly accurate and true.

Another passenger who got on that flight after eleven muslim men were brought off and then put back on, twelve passengers including the flight crew, or not including the flight crew decided to get off that flight because of the bizzare behavior of a group of muslim men claiming that they didn’t speak any english and therefore didn’t understand you and couldn’t just walk around the plane while it’s taxi-ing. . . couldn’t continue to use their cell phones and other electronic devices while the plane was taxi-ing while they were being told to put them away by flight attendants. . .that dancing, taking pictures of their fellow passengers and uh, acting, according to some accounts, like they were shooting some of the passengers with guns. Basically doing  everything they could to attack and traumatise and terrorize those on the plane.

AirTran has cleansed the account of the story as has the main stream media, but the truth is starting to come out. And one of those telling us the truth is Dr. Keith Robinson, a health media consultant, communications specialist, a critical incident response chaplain who was aboard the flight as it made it’s way from Atlanta to Houston after a two and a half hour delay because of the guys supposedly not turning off his cell phone.

I would point out, my understanding, Keith, is that AirTran is kind of like Southwest Airlines, you get (??) seating, you sit wherever you want. And when this group of eleven men got on the plane initially, they put themselves throughout the plane and according to Tedd Petruna’s account, at one point, one of the guys in the very front of the plane called one of the guys in the middle of the plane on his cell phone and they were having conversations. Again, they didn’t sit as a group, they spread out through the plane, just like the 9/11 hi-jackers had done.

Robinson: Yeah, there was a group that was in the front of the airplane and then another group that was towards the back of the airplane and I tried to, as soon as I saw this starting, I took out my laptop and began to write what you have seen.

Steve Gill: Yeah, I’ve got that linked up on our website by the way. Keith Robinson’s account at GillReport.com click on the Daily Notes button. It’s there along with Tedd Petruna’s e-mail account. You can read all the details there and you were literally writing this as it happend, right Keith?

Robinson: That’s correct. That’s uh, years ago, I had my own nationally syndicated radio talk show and so I knew that I could forget things very quickly if I didn’t start writing it down and perceiving what was going on . And most of the people, when most of these men had gone into a stoic kind of um, appearance. They had already been taken off. Somebody had talked to them. Their luggage had been gone through and put them back on. And, but as I entered the plane, it was, you could feel the tension that everyone in the plane. You could, nobody would make eye contact. Eyes were down, The biggest active part of this, went on before I got on.

Steve Gill: And yet, even as the flight continued with you, you report that they would suddenly start speaking loudly in Arabic and then a burst of laughter would erupt and they would still, you thought be toying with the emotions of the people aboard the flight.

Robinson: Well, yeah, they would get up in the overhead compartments and pull down backpacks and pull out, you know, things that may have been recorders or something like that. It looked like an electronic device, You see . . .

Steve Gill: And moving things around. Moving things from one part of the plane, moving it up to the luggage compartment in the front of the plane inexplicably – for no good reason.

Robinson: Well, and that’s true. You see, one of the things that just happened beforehand was  Fort Hood. So, a lot of Americans, most of America, probably are still on edge about the fact that the shooting went on there. So many people were already on edge. Now, whenever, when I got on I tried to assess, as I was walking down the aisle, how people were doing. And there was one or two people who started showing, you know, a little agitation, getting up walking back and forth during the flight. But they eventually settled down, sat down and I um, went to the back of the plane so that I could watch what was going on in front of us in case we needed to do something. There was a lot of prayer going on in the back of that plane. Let me let you know that . . .

Steve Gill: Yes, you pointed that out in your piece, it was radiating inside and outside of the plane. Has anybody from AirTran or Homeland Security, did they conduct an investigation. You guys got to Houston, everybody apparently went their own way. Any follow up investigation? Did you talk to anybody? Did anybody ask you any questions about this?

Robinson: No. Not a bit. Not a bit.

Steve Gill: So this claim that AirTran did an investigation is first of all an outright lie if they don’t talk to the passengers that were on that plane.

Robinson: Well, it certainly raises questions as to how that investigation was done. I’m concerned though, that the people that went through this event, see if they go through a perceived life threatening event, may develop post traumatic stress, that could be a post traumatic stress disorder after a certain time and I would think that the airline would want to follow these people. Because if they develop this, then, you know, it points back to the event itself.

Steve Gill: Now, so far, Petruna’s e-mail got this ball rolling. Your piece is now getting some attention. I know there has been intense media attention, I mean, Tedd’s getting e-mails and phone calls like no-body’s business because his actual work information has put him at risk of losing his job at NASA. They’ve pretty much told him to shut up or he’s going to get fired because of telling the truth about this incident. I mean, obviously you’re getting contacted by other media outlets likeme and others. Have you heard from any other passengers? Arer other passengers going to speak up? Do we know anything about the flight crew?

Robinson: I have not heard a thing from anyone else. I have received e-mails and spoken to other pilots that, asking if this was true, trying to check the credibility of the people writing this and in relating some of their own concerns that they’ve seen also. This appears to be

Steve Gill: The problem is this looks like one of those e-mails that gets distributed, you know, anonymously, and don’t know whether it’s true and that’s how AirTran is trying to say ‘an anonymous e-mail account’. No, Tedd Petruna’s a real guy. His name is on it. Your name is on it. You are willing to talk about it. The  media is just no focusing on getting the truth about it.

Robinson: Well, I believe that may be changing and we may be able to thank your organization for opening up and getting it out there because they have got to do something with it. America has got to figure out how they are going to deal with this type of what I’m calling “ethnic bullying’. It’s uh, we are we are still in a 9-12 mentality and we should be. We should be at a condition yellow so that we are aware of what is going on around us. But the question is how do we as Americans stand together to not let people think that we’re scared – first – because I think that if we let them know that we are scared we invite this stuff.

Steve Gill: That’s part of what’s happening. AirTran had an incident where they took nine muslims off a plane January 1st. they got castigated by the Council on American Islamic Relations, they got attacked, they were threatened with law suits. The same thing with the six muslim imams who were behaving strangely in Minnesota. They ended up suing their fellow passengers, suing the airport authority, suing the airline. They’ve been cowed into silence in the same way that Major Hasan was able to proceed with nobody able to do anything despite all the red flags – because they didn’t want to look like a bigot. And that’s what we have playing out here as well.

Robinson: Well, and it’s important that we focus our attention on the people that are doing this and not – because I’ve seen many wonderful muslim people and middle easterners. There are many very good ones.  And a few that are radicalized are really giving a lot of problems to everybody else. But I think even they are scared to bring this up because you’d think they’d say, ‘hey, stop doing that! You’re giving our whole religion a bad name!’

Steve Gill: Yeah, ignoring the risks, doesn’t make us any safer. You know, obviously, you’re willing to speak out. Are you going to be doing more appearances? I mean Fox News, those kinds of guys? Have you talked to them yet?

Robinson: I have spoken to them. I just got off . . the initial story was done by KHOUTV channel 2I here in Houston. They spoke to me just before I went on the air with you and want to do an interview to kind of get the rest of the story. And so, they are going to revisit this as well. And I think that’s good journalism. I think that’s good journalism to go back into it and say gosh, maybe we didn’t get everything we needed to.

Steve Gill: Especially because the initial story was based on what the AirTran spokesman said and that’s basically that they, you know, they had a guy that didn’t shut off his cell phone and it caused a two and a half hour delay. I mean, that’s pretty much the sanitised version and that is far from what actually  happened on this flight. And they also don’t identify the group, they mention that there was a group of men,  you know, everybody kind of, in the media goes ‘I wonder if they were Arab men?” ‘I wonder if they were muslim men?’ Well, the answer is YES, they were.

Robinson: THere’s one difference that I observed and that is in Tedd’s, what he wrote, he eluded to the fact that they were in traditional garb. I didn’t see that. I saw, you know, the guys were wearing slacks and shirt like we would wear. And um, so you know, I did not see them overtly dressed so thtat you could tell. Their skin color, the way that they talked is the way they gave away where they were from. But uh, everything else that Tedd said rings, rings very true.

Steve Gill: I know that yesterday, after we detailed this story, we got several calls from airline commercial pilots saying they are not seeing the size of this group but they see similar instances where, you know, two or three muslim men, Arab men doing what appear to be a test probe or a test run. They’re being told by the airlines, we’re being told by the authorities, don’t talk about it, you know, shut up about it. That’s what you’re hearing. I understand that’s what Tedd has heard about it from other pilots as well. That this is not an isolated incident.

Robinson: Well, it doesn’t seem to be. I guess the thing, that as a chaplain, the thing that it tells me to do is that we need to first – we don’t want to live in fear. We are, our forefathers fought and bled in order for us to have the freedoms that we’ve got. What I see is that the people feel like we are tearing chunks of America away and we’re giving it away. That it’s not the same America. And that it can be the same America if we, as the citizens of this America start saying, look, this is our place. These are the things that we do and we are going to stand together.

So I think we’ve still got great strength if we go inside and we remember where we came from. We remember we’ve still got God working with us. You know, a lot of us pushed him out of the schools, pushed him out of our lives. He’s still back there, still working. I  see miracles all the time in my work as a chaplain. We still got much to draw upon for our strength. We just cannot live in fear. You know, bullying, whether it happens on a playground or whether it happens in the home of a domestic violence case, living under a repression is worse than death. It’s worse than death. This is not the worst thing that can happen to you. But it’s time that we remember our heritage. Remember . . .

Steve Gill: Remember and stand up and speak out. Dr. Keith Robison, a media health consultant, communications specialist, critical incidents response chaplain – his account of what happened on AirTran Flight 297 is at Gill Report dot com. Click on the daily notes button and scroll right down and read his account. Tedd  Petruna, another of the passengers on that flight. If you’ve gotten the e-mail, if you’ve seen it and wondered if this is true.

Uh, YEAH, yeah, it is true. We’ve dug into this story. I’ve talked to Tedd Petruna, you’ve heard it from Keith Robinson, others will maybe come forth. Maybe the pilot, maybe the crew, maybe some of the other passengers will finally come forth and share their stories as well. Thanks for being with us and keep  spreading the word. Keep spreading the Gospel, my friends. You betcha. God bless you. 800-688-9522.

You can also send your comments via e-mail Steve@gillreport.com Why is the mainstream media sanitizing  this story. Why is TSA, AirTran, why are they covering up the truth if nothing really happend on flight 297?
We’re back in a moment. I’m Steve Gill. News Radio 1510 WLAC

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Steve Gill: Hey welcome, this is the Steve Gill Show 800-688-9522. You can also send your comments in via e-mail Steve@gillreport.com

I know hearing that account of that flight, AirTran Flight 297 you’re going, nah, surely not! How can they cover this stuff up? Well, that’s why we wanted to let you hear the voices of those who were there that can say this is what I saw, rather than the cleansed government version of what happened. Then go to our report at the GillReport.com, find the daily notes button. It’s the top story.

You’ve got the account of Tedd Petruna who was on the plane. You’ve  read his account. There’s Keith Robinson. His account is also available to you there as well. And uh, I’ve got to tell you, I’m hearing from pilots, I’m hearing from other folks, passengers on planes that are seeing these same sort of dry run, test terrorism cases perhaps that are happening. If you see something strange – SPEAK UP.

Contrary to Keith Robinson, if I see the flight crew get up and say I’m not flying this plane because it’s not safe, I’m getting off the plane. I’m getting off the plane. I know Keith stayed because he said “I’m a chaplain, this is what chaplains do”. Um, you know, if you were in front of me, you would have been behind me quickly as I would have been getting off of the plane. In any event, go to the website if you want to read more of the details. Also, we want to give you a little bit more insight. We’re at Gaylord Opryland Resort convention Center. We’re doing our Christimas show. It’s not really our Christmas show, but it’s sort of the kick off of the Christmas show and . . . .

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159 Responses

How does everyone know they were Muslim?? When I am on a plane and see some weird guys I don’t know their religion unless they are wearing religious clothing. I think they should be described as Arabs.

la boy on December 4, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    That’s pretty much a distinction without a difference.
    Six of one, half a dozen of the other, don’t you think?

    lexi on December 4, 2009 at 9:12 pm

      Lexi wrote: That’s pretty much a distinction [between Arabs and Muslims] without a difference. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, don’t you think?

      Lots of Arabs are Christians. If you live in a city of any size, there will be an Orthodox church there with many Arabs in the congregation.

      Colin Laney on December 5, 2009 at 10:48 am

    And how does an “Arab” dress? The ones I know dress like anyone else ecept when they are about to become shaheed. For that matter who said all Muslims are Arabs or vice versa?

    mK750 on December 5, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Tedd Petruna says they were dressed in full “traditional” garb.
The Chaplain says they were dressed in slacks and shirts.

Steve Gill says that the chaplain was there.
The chaplain says he only got on the plane when it reboarded
and he didn’t see the initial disturbance. The chaplain can’t confirm anything.

Tedd Petruna says the foreigners were watching porn in the back of the plane.
Then he tells the news channel, no, they weren’t watching porn.

Tedd Petruna says the foreigners were singing and doing their “Arabic dance,” whatever that is. Then they photographed other passengers and made shooting signals with their fingers.
But 60 people (the rational majority) continued on the flight, which made it to its destination without incident.

Tedd Petruna says that airline authorities were on the plane and he had words with them.
The airline says no flight authorities were on the plane.

Tedd Petruna is full of crap.

Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 7:23 pm

Where are the pictures? I always have a camera on me, either digital, film, or cell phone. There must have been someone who took pictures of this. Where are they?

Daniel Showalter on December 4, 2009 at 7:35 pm

Where are the other 75 passangers and crew? If some of them don’t come forward soon, this story will not hold up.

adam on December 4, 2009 at 7:51 pm

AirTran now says Petruna wasn’t even on the flight. He missed the connection:

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-refutes-flight-297-226517.html

adam on December 4, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Petruna is looking more and more like a fabricator. What’s more, he won’t answer questions.

adam on December 4, 2009 at 7:56 pm

If I were AirTran, I’d sue the pants off Tedd Petruna.

Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Well, IF AirTrans has grounds, I’m sure they will sue. We shall see, won’t we? You troll.

    lexi on December 5, 2009 at 1:04 pm

http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

realist on December 4, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Also the original report froma passenger who was actually there:

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/faa-to-investigate-cell-202143.html

“He was not talking on a cell phone, it was a camera,” said Nancy Deveikis of Marietta. “He was looking at pictures….Just one flight attendant snowed everyone into believing she had an irate passenger,” Deveikis said.

realist on December 4, 2009 at 8:06 pm

When you are shitting your pants and biting your nails, I have a feeling you don’t first think of your camera. As your life is flashing before your eyes most people wouldn’t be thinking about a Kodak moment opportunity missed.

sara on December 4, 2009 at 8:09 pm

“After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified, according to flight manifests (legally binding documents) that the individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board AirTran Airways Flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board the flight,” AirTran said in a statement, which the AJC was the first to obtain.

“Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna,” wrote Hackemack in the e-mail he forwarded.

But there was no way Petruna could have seen what he described on Flight 297, AirTran said in a statment. Petruna departed from Akron-Canton, Ohio, on AirTran Flight 205 on Nov. 17, officials said. He was supposed to connect to Flight 297 to head home to Houston, but he missed his first flight out of Ohio. And therefore, he missed the connecting flight.

“Flight 297, the flight which Mr. Patruna allegedly wrote a first-hand account of, originally pushed back from its gate in Atlanta at 4:40 p.m. EST, a full 26 minutes before flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta making this flight connection impossible,” according to AirTran.

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-hero-wasn-t-226517.html

Mike on December 4, 2009 at 8:39 pm

COVER UP. BUT WHY?

pat on December 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm

American Christians turn their phones off and put them away because they do what they are asked to do.

Pinandpuller on December 4, 2009 at 8:47 pm

http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-hero-wasn-t-226517.html

Petruna wasn’t even on the flight. So much for your conspiracy theories. Hope you’re proud.

Jimmy Gilmer on December 4, 2009 at 9:15 pm

Well Debbie, I have to hand it to you. You definetly are in for a penny in for a pound on this one. I’d either really want to play a game of poker with you or I’d be terrified but you clearly are doubling down. As far as I can see, there aren’t any new cards on the table in your third post that weren’t available last night to support the allegations, but there appears to be a growing stack of evidence to discredit the claim in the comment section (ie, missed connection) and, as I said earlier, a suspicious lack of witnesses, complaintants, and official inquiries.

I suppose Mr. Petruna’s imagination could very well have gotten the best of him if, as he stated , he thought his e-mail was going to remain within his close circle of friends. No real way or need for a friend to fact check his story. How could he have predicted it would go nationwide? If he missed the flight, as AIRTRAN is alleging, two questions come to mind.

One……Why did he miss it?

If he were, and I’m just speculating, doing something he didn’t want his friends or relatives to know about and was late making his connection, he would have had to find a way to account for his time.

Two……If he missed the flight, how could he have known there was an incident at all?

If you put one and two together, Mr. Petruna made it into Atlanta in time to witness the RETURN of the flight to the gate so it is entirely possible that he could have witnessed the commotion as the passengers were deplaned. He then may have gone on to concoct his e-mail story to his friend and his “missed connection” or unaccounted for time would never have come up, which strangley it appears, still hasn’t by his account.

Even if he had no need to account for missing time, he could very well have fabricated HIS part of the story based on second hand accounts of irate passengers would would have gotten off the plane , writing about himself as the hero of the day, again thinking his email would never be checked.

Unfortunatly for Mr. Petruna, a Mr. Robinsom got on that plane when it left the second time and apparentlt witnessed some residual antics and came forward to corroborate only after hearing about the e-mail.

So, you’d have two people who would have appeared to have witnessed strange behavior on the same flight when in reality they were never on the flight together and one of them, it appears may never have been on the flight at all!

I’m still unconvinced. I’m not saying that somethingt didn’t happen. Planes don’t return to gates without good cause. Althgough it goes against my traditional thought process, I’m more inclined to believe the AirTran version, or at least a minor amplified version of such.

If Mr. Petruna is lying, I suppose he should be thinking about retaining an attorney. Perhaps he already has and thats the reason for his continuing unexplainable silence.

Remember his excuse? Can’t comment for personal and financial reasons.

Odd, very, very ……odd

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 9:31 pm

Billy —

Petruna’s story was full of crap on the first read-through. But how did he know there was a disturbance to begin with?
He must’ve run into someone in the terminal who relayed the story, and Petruna took it and ran with it. The guy has serious issues and needs help, that’s for sure.

Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    I made that point in my post. He would have been in the airport AFTER the plane had come back to the gate. Another scenario is that instead of being the HERO, he was spooked and refused to get on that plane upon hearing about an incident after it had come back to the gate.

    Billy on December 4, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Snopes picked up on the story and lists it as a ‘mixture’.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/flight297.asp

Sadie on December 4, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Sadie, remember, Snopes is left wing. You must take their pronouncements with a grain of salt.

    Why focus on Petruna, anyhow? I believe Robinson.
    Whether or not Petruna was on the flight, we should be grateful this has been publicized through his efforts.

    lexi on December 4, 2009 at 10:23 pm

      Grateful that WHAT has been publicized? The story is nonsense.

      Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 10:28 pm

If you truly love America you must truly hate Islam.

CaliforniaScreaming on December 4, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Islam is and has always been an intolerant and brutal thing. Too bad some clown had to make up a silly story and give the liberal symps more ammunition to fire at all us “bigots and racists” who love the American way of life.Tolerance is one thing,blindly giving away our precious freedoms in the name of “diversity” is another.

    Unclesalty on December 5, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Well this would explain the absense of CAIR

“Nancy Deveikis was seated in seat 29A aboard Flight 297, directly behind an unidentified man who she believes spoke Spanish. Deveikis said the man was looking at pictures on a camera, and did not understand a flight attendant’s requests to turn the device off.”

Billy on December 4, 2009 at 10:52 pm

California Screaming, you are one warped soul. You have no clue of what it means to be an American. To hell with “All men are created equal” because you’ve declared yourself to be ulema and the way you interpret the Koran must mean that all Muslims share your evil and sick viewpoints.

After reading your comments on this website, my sympathy for the innocent Muslim increases tenfold. And when idiots like Tedd Petruna concoct stories, it only serves to desensitize Americans to the real threat of RADICAL Islam — the evil fringe that Americans must keep a watchful eye out for.

How dare you hold an entire religion suspect. You’re as sick as Petruna.

Joel Miller on December 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm

This story is as fake as debbies airbrushed photo on this page.

Debbie Does Donuts on December 4, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    That was so f*&^*%$ funny !!!!!!!

    laghing dude on December 5, 2009 at 4:17 am

Dr. Robinson’s story is very credible and stands on its own as reason for serious concern.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/important-two-articles-on-dangers-of.html

Think Islamic problems caused by a small minority of Muslims? Read the facts, and think again!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/09/think-islamic-problems-caused-by-small.html

Sam Sewell on December 4, 2009 at 11:37 pm

Adam, Joel, Gilmer. Keep your head up your sss. Most people need their job and will be asked not to discuss the issue for fear of lawsuits. You’re not smart enough to know that suicidal radicals depend on that as well. When pics and proof surface, you know like climategate, but pay your 60% tax, if you have a job.

DEFEND on December 4, 2009 at 11:42 pm

    DEFEND —

    It’s no surprise that someone who still believes Petruna and this story has no command of the English language.
    YOU keep your head up your sss.

    Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 8:04 am

Yeah I’m sure that the muzzies were innocent of doing anything wrong. They are always innocent.
With the track record muslims have, even if this story was false, anyone in a 9-12 mindset would take it seriously.

Joe on December 5, 2009 at 12:16 am

Looking forward to your future post about how there are “questions” about Petruna’s account but that there is still an “essential truth” to the story.

Urbaniak on December 5, 2009 at 2:19 am

Of course Petruna wasn’t on the flight you Islamorons; as he stated, he refused to continue with the terrorist muslims onboard and de-planed.

DS_ROCKS! on December 5, 2009 at 3:26 am

    Here comes the name calling. Petruna was never on the flight to begin with. He couldn’t have been.

    Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 8:07 am

Joel Miller this country was created with Judeo Christian princpiles. It was created by Christian men who believed all people were CREATED equally. Christians believe in equality of people. Islam doesn’t. Islam wants death for the non-believer. How do Islamic nations and Sharia law fit in all people are created equally? Islamic law requires a theocracy. A theocracy of Islam. Does that exist in America. Not yet. You politically correct…no politically castrated liberals are the enemy with Islam. You guys enable Islam to destroy our customs and tradititions in this country. Islam has attacked us over and over and over.

“How dare you hold an entire religion suspect.” I will scream out loud multiple times.

IF YOU TRULY LOVE AMERICA YOU MUST TRULY HATE ISLAM.
IF YOU TRULY LOVE AMERICA YOU MUST TRULY HATE ISLAM.

You said, ‘my sympathy for the innocent Muslim increases tenfold’ I hope you wet your pants and increases 100 times. Go live in a Islamic country and preach it to Islam. Tell Islam to be tolerant of Jews, Christians and non-believers. Go preach to Mullahs political castration. Until they get out of the 7th Century and join the rest of the world I don’t see them as nothing but a cult.

More innocents killed by the hands of Muslims in Russia.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gn3is5E-dUPzWK3d_N1sKiCW4fpAD9CB7G380

CaliforniaScreaming on December 5, 2009 at 7:18 am

    Before you scream too loud, you might want to reflect on the fact that you’re a bigot. Generally, people don’t take kindly to bigots.

    all y'all are the dangerous ones on December 5, 2009 at 9:31 am

      California Screaming —

      Throw on the caps lock and rant like a petulant child and you appear as idiotic as Petruna’s fallacious email. You would deny a baby born on American soil to Islamic parents the most American value of all – the opportunity to live long and prosper – solely because of the perverse way that YOU’VE interpreted the Koran. How you can possibly call yourself an American is beyond reason.

      No one is destroying your customs and traditions.

      Your bigotry and ignorance have blinded you to the fact that innocents are killed at the hands of the deranged of all creeds and colors every day in this world. That is the unfortunate and indisputable truth.

      Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    CaliforniaScreaming – these under educated fools will never get it about islam until we have another 9/11, and then they will forget again shortly thereafter. Muslims have been trying to subvert our American culture for years by using our PC culture to their advantage. What other religion in the U.S. has been pandered to as much as islam?

    Bush and Odopey both have done a piss poor job at keeping these muzzies in check. Laws and statutes have been and are currently being made or rewritten just to accommodate them. No other religion in the U.S. gets as much preferential treatment, and it is being taken advantage of. What’s next for us? Are we also going to get Sharia law implimented in bits and pieces, like not being able to sell or consume alcohol or pork within a certain distance from a mosque?

    I’ll make a deal with all of the muzzie loving people commenting here. I will change my opinion of islam as soon as there are no islamic terrorist attacks for one month. Does anybody think this is even possible?

    Jarhead on December 5, 2009 at 11:15 am

As of this morning I’ve already received this eRumor from four individuals and all of them make statements at the beginning like “if this is how AirTran handles potential muslim terrorists, then they will never fly AirTran.” One of them urged everyone to forward it to everyone they know and “tell your friends to never use AirTran and send them the message that Americans will not tolerate an airline that’s more concerned about being politically correct than for the safety of its passengers.”

Yeah right, and like AirTran doesn’t care about the possibility of having one of their jets destroyed in an act of terrorism.

These three people, Theodore Petruna, Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson and A. Gene Hackemack, who all appear to have some sort of vendetta against AirTran and/or Muslims, need to be dragged into court and made an example of.

I am not fond of extremists of any stripe and we don’t need assholes like these three stirring up our citizens with their personal vendettas and inability to distinguish good people from bad people. Their “one size fits all mentality” is exactly what groups like the KKK and the Nazis depend upon during their membership drives. Perhaps that’s what this is all about. Their ranks are but a shadow of what they once were in their heyday of the early 20th century.

And from what I’ve read in “official accounts” so far, the man was said to be Spanish, not Islamic!

hoosierdaddy on December 5, 2009 at 8:08 am

Debbie, you got punked. Own it.

Mothra on December 5, 2009 at 8:26 am

In which Tedd Petruna offers himself up as a textbook case of narcissistic personality disorder.

King buzzo on December 5, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Like the bastid child Obama?

    lexi on December 5, 2009 at 11:53 am

TROLLS, TROLLS, TROLLS. Debbie has the patience of a sniper. In her own way she is one.

Joe on December 5, 2009 at 11:10 am

Punk’d lol

Sad to see how easy it is to get certain people to believe any kind of made up nonsense just as long as it is anti-muslim.

ausador on December 5, 2009 at 11:36 am

This “Joel Miller” person/troll has his own agenda. He’s a MusSymp. Frantically maligning Petruna. Interesting–“Joel Miller” jumps to the conclusion that this incident didn’t happen. Only an idiot/MusSymp would do that.

lexi on December 5, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Lexi —

    I don’t consider concocting a fallacious story and spreading fear and misconception — along with calling the President of the United States, in your words, “a bastid child” — to be strong conservative values.

    You do?

    Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 12:16 pm

      “Joel Miller”: What would YOU know about conservative values? You are a troll. I just think it is interesting that so many trolls have been mobilized for this non-story. Furthermore, I suspect you are a Muslim.

      lexi on December 5, 2009 at 1:00 pm

        Lexi —

        Give the name-calling a rest.

        Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

Chaplain Dr. Keith A. Robinson was never on the flight either, he was sitting in the airport when the flight returned to the gate. All he knows is what he heard second hand and he was told a completely different story at the time than the one he is telling now.

“One gentleman confronted the gate agent demanding his luggage be removed from the flight. As I spoke to him he related that when Flight 297 left the concourse the first time it began taxiing to take off when approximately 12 men of Middle Eastern appearance stood up and began dancing and singing in an Arabic dialect. They refused to be seated when directed to do so by the flight attendants. Then, the singing stopped and some of the men took out their cell phones and began taking pictures of the other individual passengers.”

Isn’t it funny how his own account of the story on his blog is very different than the one he gave to the radio host? You would almost think that he is making things up to embellish the story…hmm?

http://www.standlikearock.net/2009/12/03/air-tran-flight-297-incident/

ausador on December 5, 2009 at 11:58 am

Do you not realize that AirTran and the TSA have both shown this “dry run” story is an utter lie?

http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200

Or do you not care, because the truth doesn’t fit your weird little fantasy world?

TR on December 5, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Right, AirTran and the TSA and all the other authorities are involved in some massive coverup.

It couldn’t be that this guy lied and you’re gullible. Oh, no.

Gil on December 5, 2009 at 12:01 pm

“…I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm…”

Even without AirTran’s clear and complete debunking of this nonsense, this quote is really key to unraveling the hoax. If Petruna had actually said this to a flight attendant, he’d be in jail. Period.

TSA regulations leave no discretion when it comes to threatening flight attendants. If you even hint at violence directed toward a member of a flight crew, you get arrested and you get to try to explain the “joke” to a judge

Toady on December 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Debbie and California Screaming are psychotic. I’m sure they’re big Glenn Beck tea-baggers. They believe the movie playing inside their head, completely removed from the world inhabited by us in the reality-based community.

California Screaming, many of the founders were deists. Try reading some history instead of right-wing political tracts.

The fact that YOU view Muslims as a cult… irony is sweet.

Disinterested on December 5, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Joel Miller Islam is the enemy of all people. Not only in America but also Russia, India, Israel, Europe everywhere people want to be free. America is free but Muslims don’t want freedom they would have Sharia law imposed on all people. What kind of religion requires their women to wear a tent over their head? Islamic women see other women and they don’t want that tent over their head. All people want freedom.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimar Putin gets it. They do not tolerate Muslim terrorists.

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin’s party United Russia, held banners, with slogans including “Terrorists are not People and “Find and Annihilate.”

CaliforniaScreaming on December 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm

California Screaming —

Have you noticed that Debbie Schlussel takes Saturday — her Sabbath — off from the daily hatefest? Why don’t you take a deep breath and do the same? Just give the hate a rest for a while. It will probably add some years to your life.

Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    You’re busted, you MusSymp troll.

    lexi on December 5, 2009 at 1:05 pm

California Screaming, pure unaduulterated bigot and racist, is now praising Vladamir Putin for his tough stance against terrorists. Authoritarians unite!

Disinterested on December 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm

Funny those Islamic sympathizers live in a country where the majority of people and throughout our history are Christians. Let them put the reverse thought process on Islam. Speak out against Islam like you do Christians and your voice will be silenced. Treat a Muslim like Muslims treat other non-Muslims and liberals are outraged.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/200912027582/editorial/democracy-vs-the-muslim-bayonet.html

CaliforniaScreaming on December 5, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    I’m speaking out against Christians now? You are insane.

    Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 1:21 pm

Leave Islam Alone, Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

CaliforniaScreaming on December 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

*California Screaming, pure unaduulterated bigot and racist, is now praising Vladamir Putin for his tough stance against terrorists. Authoritarians unite!

Disinterested on December 5, 2009 at 12:49 pm*

Disinterested has to be a Muslim because only a Muslim would be dumb enough to think that Bosnians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Uighurs, Somalians, Algerians, Saudis, etc. are a “race” and if you criticize their barbaric religion, you are a “racist.”

Putin may be an authoritarian, but at least he doesn’t want the Muslim authoritarians roaming his streets. When I was in beautiful St. Petersburg this summer, I didn’t see any ugly Muslims roaming the streets. He gets it about Islam, at least in his country.

A person is not “bigoted” for not wanting modern Nazis (Muslims) and bigots (Muslims) and anti-Semites (Muslims) and anti-Christians (Muslims) and anti-Americans (Muslims), who worship a pedophile, have no concept of human rights, and think heaven is a pornographic place, in one’s country.

For the liberal, PC useful idiots and Muslims lurking on Debbie’s site, please name just ONE benefit of having Muslims in America. You can’t, so again just why should we show any tolerance to these most intolerant, insufferable Muslim barbarians?

JM on December 5, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    JM —

    What are looking for now? Just ONE benefit of having Muslims in America? It can’t be done?

    Okay, I’ll play your little game. Here’s a list of notable American Muslims. Why don’t you go through the list and tell us who we should tolerate and who we should ship out of the States? I’ll leave this in all in your hands, as the Grand Mediator —

    Muhammad Ali

    Kareen Abdul-Jabaar

    Kareen Rashad Sultan Khan

    Fazlur Khan

    Rasheed Wallace

    Art Blakey

    Fareed Zakaria

    James Yee

    Dr. Robert D. Crane

    Nasim Pedrad (spare her, if you can, she’s one of the new cast members on Saturday Night Live, very young)

    Michael Wolfe

    Keith Ellison

    Andre Carson

    Okay, you get your friends “California Screaming” and “Jarhead”
    and you go through this list of intolerant, insufferable pedophile-worshippers and tell us who stays and who goes.

    Joel Miller on December 5, 2009 at 2:02 pm

My, my, such a huge number of trolls today–many of whom seem to be of the Muslim persuasion. Why the panic over a story they’re calling false?

Mustn’t let this story be widely disseminated, right?

lexi on December 5, 2009 at 1:15 pm

I will start with asking libs to go

Thinking One on December 5, 2009 at 2:06 pm

I’ve seen plenty of teabagging morons, more than I would like to have.

But never have I seen such openly avowed ignorance, bigotry, and racism.

What kind of religion covers up their leaders raping children? Huh? Which one is it?

jharp on December 5, 2009 at 2:15 pm

Mustn’t let this story be widely disseminated, right?

its a non-story, petruna arrived 26 minutes after flight 297 originally departed. all he could have done is see the aftermath. just another case ala carrie prejean, balloon boy, etc., who are out there to try to get their 15 minutes and keep hitting snooze when they run out

Mike on December 5, 2009 at 2:25 pm

    Mike: Did you get all mental over the balloon boy story? I didn’t think so.

    lexi on December 5, 2009 at 3:54 pm

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