December 28, 2009, - 5:19 pm

Was It Really a “Failed” Attack?

By Debbie Schlussel

Maybe people should stop calling Islamic Terrorist Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s attack on Northwest Flight 253 a “failed attack,” or an “unsuccessful attack.”

Abdulmutallab may not have taken any lives, but Al-Qaeda (which has come forward to claim credit) and Abdulmutallab seem to have been pretty successful to me.  I think this picture shows just how successful.

Al-Qaeda’s “Failed,” “Unsuccessful” Attack Was Pretty Damned Successful

Instead of profiling people–especially Muslim and Arab people–Americans all over the country missed their flights, missed out on cruises, and had to wait in line for hours, arriving at the airport hours ahead of  flights and throwing out lip gloss, toothpaste, and orange juice. 

So was it really a “failed” attack?  Not really. 

It was actually pretty damn successful.

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I blame mostly the knuckleheads who processed this insane rich manchild at the schi*hole airport, and of course obama and janet incompetano too.

Farouk You Amsterdam on December 28, 2009 at 5:38 pm

He exposed Obama’s weakness in response. Rather than dealing with real and known security issues, Obama’s FAA tells people to stay in their seat and they can’t go to the bathroom. The Obama response to terrorism is to treat all Americans like first graders.

Fred Taub on December 28, 2009 at 5:40 pm

Fighting ruthless terrorists with bureaucracy and political correctness, yeah that fills me with confidence.

Anyway, airlines are capitalist enterprises that provide average people with the chance to travel great distances at affordable prices. I’m sure Obama would love to see them go out of business.

tempus fugit on December 28, 2009 at 5:42 pm

Debbie, why are they not charging the terrorist with such things like attempted murder and why are they trying to get his DNA?

diva on December 28, 2009 at 5:46 pm

Yet another example of the ‘peaceful’ muslim faith in action…those poor unfortunate misunderstood followers of allah…we just need to be more tolerant I guess

John Galt on December 28, 2009 at 6:07 pm

You know what the next security question will be, “Sir are you that well endowed or are you ready blow up this plane?” or “Sir, I’ve established your crotch is a threat to our homeland!!”

CaliforniaScreaming on December 28, 2009 at 6:09 pm

ISLAMISTS, everywhere… and even I, am laughing at the STUPIDITY of this.

Wasting America’s resources by searching rank-and-file Americans at all US airports when we DAMN WELL KNOW what most of these types of terrorists look like.

Learn from Israel, America!

Profile. Today.

The task of checking everyone punishes the wrong people…

The Canadien on December 28, 2009 at 6:11 pm

By your standards of “successful,” then getting sick for an hour in the bathroom of an airplane is also a successful terrorist attack.

How is this attack any more “successful” than previous attacks on the US? You make it sound like throwing out liquids and toothpaste at security checkpoints is a new thing and is in any way related to Abdulmutallab’s attempt. Is it really?

You also make it sound like profiling Arabs as terrorists is more important than checking everyone who may be a threat. Is a 6’3″ Arab man with a thick beard more dangerous than a 5’9″ brunette Polish man with a groomed beard? One of these is non-violent Muslim Abdul Ghaffar Khan and the other is the Unabomber. But we can continue to profile (read: stereotype) all Arabs as Muslim extremists, just like all black people will steal your TV and all white people will molest your children.

Was it really a “failed” attack? Yes. It was a failed attack. You want safety? Convenience is the trade-off.

Ghost on December 28, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    “Is a 6?3? Arab man with a thick beard more dangerous than a 5?9? brunette Polish man with a groomed beard? One of these is non-violent Muslim Abdul Ghaffar Khan and the other is the Unabomber. But we can continue to profile (read: stereotype) all Arabs as Muslim extremists, just like all black people will steal your TV and all white people will molest your children.”

    I am not sure if your post is a serious one, but I will assume that it is. Please tell me, how many Polish terrorists have you heard of in the last decade? Why should limited resources be wasted on someone who is almost certainly not a terrorist? Now, let’s get to your Arab example. Yes, it would be appropriate to check an Arab from a Moslem country or countries where there are significant Moslem communities. The people who do car bombs, suicide vests, and other assorted terror attacks are almost entirely self-described Moslems. Using the Unabomber is an example is rich. If all we had to worry about was one Polish guy who sent parcels to certain people, we would indeed be in heaven. Instead, we have to contend with thousands upon thousands of people who are or would like to be jihadist or aid in the jihad. Does one spend all of one’s time looking for ants, or deal with the tiger at the door?

    “But we can continue to profile (read: stereotype) all Arabs as Muslim extremists, just like all black people will steal your TV and all white people will molest your children.”

    Yes, your genuinely racist examples of blacks and whites do not result in mass death, unlike your jet bomber friends. Also, are you claiming that only Arabs are Moslems my little friend? Thank you for that Arab supremacist moment.

    Worry01 on December 28, 2009 at 8:35 pm

Yes, it was successful for them. Granted it would have been more successful if these monsters had killed a number of people, but they are tying up the airlines, and they may be able to affect the economy in the process. The irony is that the airlines and DHS are so busy not profiling anybody that they are going through these kinds of contortions, doing everything but. Maybe if they knew how to profile, they wouldn’t have to do all this other stuff. Maybe some of it, but we wouldn’t need to be completely reactive.

Little Al on December 28, 2009 at 6:18 pm


An interesting quote taken from Daniel Pipes’ latest article.

“As Phyllis Chesler plaintively asks, “Are we all going to be subjected to underwear checks before boarding our flights? If so, Al-Qaeda will soon secrete explosives in body cavities. Will we all be searched there as well?””

JG: Phylis Chesler, I like. She’s smart and she gets it. So I could have used her quote without him quoting her. Pipes is useless and a waste of time. He actually debated Wafa Sultan on whether or not there is a “moderate” Islam. She, the brave apostate Muslim, took the correct side, that there isn’t. Pipes, a promoter of frauds like Walid Shoebat and Mohammed Zuhdi Jasser, claimed there is. And he’s such a phony because he really doesn’t believe this. That’s not to mention how he went along with Sean Vanity ripping off my work on Imam Al-Husainy and never giving me credit. He’s a complete scumbag. I know from personal experience. And that’s not to mention some of his boneheaded anti-Israel lies, lately. Yes, him. DS

Joe G on December 28, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Thanks for the information. I had not read any articles by Phyllis Chesler until after I saw her name in the Pipes article. Her articles are great. I think the only workable, affordable solution to the Muslim problem is to ban all Muslims from the US. Airport security could be greatly reduced, we’d save billions in not having to spy on mosques, and we would not need American troops in the Middle East. There would be no reason to take the fight to them there so we wouldn’t have to fight them here. They wouldn’t be here.

    Joe G on December 29, 2009 at 3:13 pm

Oh well, Muslims have already learned to detonate bombs from their butts.

Joe G on December 28, 2009 at 6:46 pm

No Muslim that comments on this site has ever been able to name a single benefit America gets from Muslim immigration.

Instead we get: Terrorism, ugly covered up women with several children (future terrorists), violence wherever Muslims live, more attacks on our Christian traditions, more attacks on our Western traditions, affirmative action programs for these barbarians, less respect for human life, and now EVERYONE is inconvenienced because we refuse to profile for Muslim barbarians.

And the Muslims love it. It is a way for them to feel superior to us. They have no respect for us because we refuse to do what they always do to non-Muslims in their own countries. If we had any self-respect, we would boot them out of America and force them to return to their homelands.

JM on December 28, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    JM, your ignorance to the beliefs of the Islam religion could drive one to suicide.
    …Oh wait.

    I once lived in an area that had a large Muslim minority (now I live in a Polish Jew majority area), and I have to say that I have never been on a bus that got blown up by a Muslim immigrant. In fact, I can find no research that suggests that Muslim immigrants are any more violent or criminal than any other race, per capita.

    Your challenge to name a benefit of Muslim immigrants is, in itself, ambiguous. Should I be searching for famous Muslim immigrants? Should I be searching for changes made in America because of Muslim immigrants? Or should I be looking for health insurance benefits given by Muslim immigrant employers? Should I be doing the same for Jewish immigrants, Buddhist immigrants, and Christian immigrants for comparison? Should I ignore the word “immigrants” and just respond with the benefits of Muslims in America? But then all those previous questions still apply.

    I’m not going to even devote research to your stupidity about ugly Muslim women and their future terrorist children. For all I know, your old lady is a horse and her children are going to shoot up some university.

    Why do you so specify Muslims as an attack on your Christian traditions? How do you define an “attack” on Christian traditions? Is it defined as being another religion (such as Jewish, not unlike Debbie Schlussel)? Is it defined as not being Christian, like an atheist or a Taoist? What about Western traditions?

    What is western tradition, anyway? Are we to remove the first amendment from everyone who is not a White Christian or who does not like apple pie, baseball, and white picket fences? Should I be afraid to believe in reincarnation, refrain from eating cows, or prefer rugby over football?

    I like your use of the word “barbarians.” There are many Muslim doctors in my local hospital. They’re so barbaric for their use of medicines to heal people, rather than drilling holes in people’s brains to release the influenza-causing demons! How dare they surgically remove an infected appendix, rather than letting it burst and blaming the pain on a possession! And who are they to tell me that someone with anxiety can be helped with anxiolytics and therapy rather than shock therapy and a lobotomy! Those barbaric Muslim doctors really need to get in line with our long-lived Christian and Western traditions.

    Does your use of the word “barbaric” when referring to Muslims not demonstrate a hypocrite’s view when you afterward claim that they feel they are superior? You say they have no respect for us because of the way we treat them in America, and yet continually disrespect them for the way you perceive they treat others in the Middle East. Maybe it is not them who think they are superior, maybe it is you who have an inferiority complex. From where I sit, it seems to me that you have chosen Muslims to blame for the problems in your life, including a decline in Christian belief, the strive for equality of minorities, and the inability to compete in the field against an immigrant.

    Your solution to the invasion of Muslim immigrants in America is exactly the same as the solution to the invasion of Americans in the Middle East. If only the repressed Muslim denizens of the Middle East had any self-respect, they would fight back against America and kick them out in any way they can.

    Ghost on December 28, 2009 at 7:55 pm

      *I once lived in an area that had a large Muslim minority (now I live in a Polish Jew majority area), and I have to say that I have never been on a bus that got blown up by a Muslim immigrant. In fact, I can find no research that suggests that Muslim immigrants are any more violent or criminal than any other race, per capita.*

      First, Muslims are not a race. Bosnians, Nigerians, Arabs, Uighurs, Malays are all different races, but share one barbaric common religion.

      Also, I lived in Malaysia and majored in Asian Studies, so I know Islam first hand, both from study and observation. Malaysia is a good case study for Americans on what NOT to do. The Chinese were formerly the majority there and built up the country economically. Yet who steals all the wealth for themselves through affirmative action programs and government positions? The Muslim Malays. Islam is a violent, barbaric, and evil religion that LOWERS anyone that practices it, instead raising them up to better things. Muslims can steal the benefits of civilization, as the Malays do in Malaysia, but they will never contribute to it.

      I have no problem with any other major religion–Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, etc. However, Islam is a different animal and contributes only negative things to our American civilization. Yes, most Muslims in America won’t commit terrorism, but they foster it and only Muslims blow up planes, shoot up fellow soldiers, and celebrate when these things happen.

      JM on December 28, 2009 at 8:17 pm

        Also, Ghost, our country was founded on Jewish and Christian principles, as well as the values of ancient Greece and Rome. The greatness of our country comes from these traditions.

        Muslims tear down these traditions and cannot live in harmony with them. They have often conquered areas with these or other great traditions and for a short period of time reaped the benefits, as when the Muslims first conquered the Hellenistic world and India, but they never can sustain the greatness of these cultures because Islam tears down civilization; it does not build it up.

        Allowing Muslims to immigrate into a great civilization, like America, is only going to slowly destroy it from within.

        JM on December 28, 2009 at 8:31 pm

      “I once lived in an area that had a large Muslim minority (now I live in a Polish Jew majority area), and I have to say that I have never been on a bus that got blown up by a Muslim immigrant. In fact, I can find no research that suggests that Muslim immigrants are any more violent or criminal than any other race, per capita.” Golly, could it be that you are not in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, might be the cause for that? Also, Moslems are not a race, unless you are pushing your Arab supremacy again. As for statistics, we could look up some U.K. figures you if you like. We could compare Hindu versus Moslem Migrants from India. Or, migrants from Lebanon into Australia. The Maronite Christians are not causing disturbances, but I think you already know who is my little pal.

      Of course, due to verbal diarrhea you let this slip:

      “Your solution to the invasion of Muslim immigrants in America is exactly the same as the solution to the invasion of Americans in the Middle East. If only the repressed Muslim denizens of the Middle East had any self-respect, they would fight back against America and kick them out in any way they can.”

      In the end, you are indeed just like the other jihadists, albeit one who sits in a chair and whines.

      Worry01 on December 28, 2009 at 8:46 pm

The terrorists already know they have won because they can escape scrutiny while the TSA morons are obsessed with whether tiny shampoo bottles can hold enough explosives to bring down a plane. In my opinion, we are focusing on the wrong end of the problem and that’s why we’re losing the war against Islam. As long we deal with it as a tactic, victory will continue to elude us.

NormanF on December 28, 2009 at 7:00 pm

Well, I guess CAIR a.k.a. Ghost has permeated this site. The key is the not too thinly disguised anti-Semitism (Polish Jew majority area), the reference to research in the following paragraphy, the above-average use of English, the pseudo-organized character of the post, the defensiveness in terms of alleged Muslim contributions to Western society, and the defensiveness, veiled in attack language, about Muslims not attacking Western traditions, combined with an attack on Western domestic and foreign policy. Yessir, sounds like CAIR or one of their ilk.

Little Al on December 28, 2009 at 8:16 pm

Every muslim that we let into the U.S. brings us closer to another tragic event like 9/11.

Jarhead on December 28, 2009 at 8:30 pm

Your are quite correct Debbie. Killing people is really just a secondary objective for jihadists. As horrible as the thought is, several hundred people being dying in and of itself is not going to have much of an impact. Rather, it is the act of cold blooded murder perpetrated by an individual or individual which causes the horror and disruption. Even if an attack is unsuccessful, it increases the burden on the potential victim society in terms of security measures, costs of doing business, and immobility. The net result of such burdens are in the end diminished productivity and economic growth. For individuals, the use of air travel will become increasingly expensive and horrid. Air travel will go back to the days in which only businessmen and people going to funerals or weddings flew, due to the inconvenience and expense. Finally, this reduced air travel would prove quite deadly in the long run to resorts, amusement parks, hotels, and other tourist destinations. Islamists create nothing, but are parasitic on their hosts. After the hosts diminish in number or disappear entirely, the ticks will go after one another. You can see this in the eternal conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Islam tends to be anarchic unless there is a ruler with an iron fist. There is no civil society in the Western sense, but only the ummah who would be at one another’s throats(clan against clan, tribe against tribe, etc)without authoritarian restraints.

Worry01 on December 28, 2009 at 9:04 pm

Terrorists ‘terrorize’, so in that respect the act was profoundly successful. We can’t hire a diverse workforce, spew ‘religion of peace’ horseshit, and effectively deal with this enemy. All we are doing is jerking-off the American taxpayer with our liberal media and fabricated statistics. An old phart like me will be long dead when it actually happens, but this country is doomed. It pains me to think of all the men who gave their lives in battle to preserve this once wonderful country……one look at the likes of Nancy Pelosi makes me spew.

#1 Vato on December 28, 2009 at 9:26 pm


Actually only muzzies and ghost will be flying in a few years. That could actually solve a lot of problems if they blow themselves up.

Speaking of buses-they haven’t started on them here yet but I’m pretty sure it ain’t Polish Jews blowing them up in the Holy Land.

Pinandpuller on December 28, 2009 at 9:45 pm

You know ghost-I had a moslem doctor for a while in the UK but he got arrested and tried for planning terror attacks so it was a short lived experiment.

Pinandpuller on December 28, 2009 at 9:53 pm

I have $500 that says that if this terror attack had been succesful to the point that it brought down that plane, the investigation into the reason for its having crashed would have pointed to a mechanical failure: just like Air France Flight 447. I just don’t trust federal investigators anymore. Over and over again they have proven to be inept, careless, and ignorant. Americans are dying needlessly and, although the government knows exactly where to focus their efforts to stop it, they put us at risk in the name of political correctness. Very disturbing…

M: That’s a bet I wouldn’t take. Because you’d win.

Mewize on December 28, 2009 at 9:54 pm

Debbie, something to note. The report that Al Qaeda in Yemen claimed responsibility for the attack was issued by Site Intelligence Group which is run by Rita Katz, an ex-IDF member turned operative. That group is reputed for its dissemination of ‘politically-correct” Israeli propaganda.

E: I know Rita and I know about SITE. But I’m not sure if I’d call her an ex-IDF operative. She did serve in the IDF as all Israelis do. She does great work. I wouldn’t say she puts out PC Israeli propaganda. She translates what’s on the net word for word. Also, she openly supports a Palestinian state. I’d hardly say that’s Israeli propaganda. DS

Egoigwe on December 28, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Ah ha! Well, look at here who’s refuting that claim:

    “A senior (U.S)administration official rejects entirely the idea that the attempted attack was retaliatory, pointing out that Omar Abdulmutallab was in the field long before that airstrike. (He purchased his plane ticket in Ghana the day before, in fact, and had been in Yemen for months before.)


    Egoigwe on December 28, 2009 at 10:12 pm

Hey, great idea guys! Let’s start profiling! Let’s throw away all that civil war crap, black rights and women equality right out the window and start another civil issue. I’m sure it always works. After all, ALL TERRORISTS will ALWAYS be Muslims, long beard and wearing their traditional clothing.

Let’s not forget that EVERY black man is liable to steal your car and EVERY white man is liable to rape your daughter.

Chancy on December 28, 2009 at 10:15 pm

Now if this was a failed underwear attack, can we also say the fudged underwear attack?

I guess it gives new meaning to “Wait’il we get our Haines on You!!”

CaliforniaScreaming on December 28, 2009 at 10:40 pm

“Hey, great idea guys! Let’s start profiling! Let’s throw away all that civil war crap, black rights and women equality right out the window and start another civil issue. I’m sure it always works. After all, ALL TERRORISTS will ALWAYS be Muslims, long beard and wearing their traditional clothing.

Let’s not forget that EVERY black man is liable to steal your car and EVERY white man is liable to rape your daughter.

People like you are the reason we will have to continue to put up with incidents like these, because just like the ostrich, you keep your head buried deep in the sand, refusing to see what lies right in front of your face. MUSLIMS BLOW UP AIRPLANES. They COULD be dark-skinned (like this asshat) or light-skinned (perhaps an Adam Gadahn, or Johnny Walker Lind), but they WILL be Muslim. To seriously suggest otherwise, in light of all the incidents of Muslims killing people in the just the last decade, is to willingly remain ignorant.

“Blacks stealing cars” and “whites raping girls has nothing to do with any of this.” What an utterly ridiculous comment. But nice try.

Matt on December 29, 2009 at 12:38 am

    That person is not even discussing this matter seriously. It is classic troll talk. People like that just like to stir things up for kicks. Also, he does seem to have some rather racist views about blacks and whites for such an anti-racist person. I was waiting for him to say Mexicans hijack cars to make his little racist aquarium complete.

    Worry01 on December 29, 2009 at 2:20 am

Whoops. Should have read …”whites raping girls” has nothing to do with any of this.

Oh, as to the topic itself, well said, Debbie.

Matt on December 29, 2009 at 12:39 am

Instead of blaming all of our failed administrations, shouldn’t we be working on a way to make this country safe? Debbie, please outline your ideas on how to save the USA. Being mad only gets us so far. We need solutions.

W: You are clearly not a regular reader of this site, since for y years I’ve been detailing how to make the country safe. DS

What should we do? on December 29, 2009 at 2:26 am

as Rick Darby put it at his blog, the way people have responded to this madness at airport security, accepting it! saying they understand it is necessary – is if searching Norwegian grandmothers and searching the armpits of Canadian Protestants and telling Jewish teenagers to chuck out their toothpaste is necessary – well we are officially all dhimmis now. We may as well surrender, oh wait we have already have with Obamamoron at the helm who is all upset about the Judden buidling homes in the Jewish capital of the Jewish state while Iran goes nuclear.

The vast majority of Europeans and North Americans are dhimmi know-nothings who don’t want to know the first thing about Islam, as brave apostate Wafa Sultan put it, they simply don’t want to know and so they don’t and so the PC dhimmi insanity gets worse and worse, and so they deserve their freedoms taken away, they really do. Since Political Correctness matters more than freedom, they don’t deserve freedom. It’s that simple. The problem is the rest of us ie the anti-dhimmis, who are in fact a tiny minority – most conservatives are dhimmis just like the crazy Left – have to suffer the consequences. It’s over – lights out as Mark Steyn put it.

Larry on December 29, 2009 at 2:45 am

Well, always interesting posts on this site. Of course this rather inept attack was not successful in blowing up the plane, but it succeeded in many other ways. It also pointed out how inept our government is, especially the sorry watchdog,
Janet incompetano. She should resign, but she won’t. In the aftermath our airline industry will suffer, more passengers will choose to drive instead of fly, and not because of fears of a terrorist blowing up a plane, but from the ridiculous measures brought about by the bureaucracy. I guess instead of any profiling, passengers will be subjected to full body screenings. “Failed” attack? I don’t think so.

Daniel on December 29, 2009 at 8:06 am

[Mewize – I have $500 that says that if this terror attack had been succesful to the point that it brought down that plane, the investigation into the reason for its having crashed would have pointed to a mechanical failure: just like Air France Flight 447.]

I have long felt the same thing since the investigation of TWA 800.

I_AM_ME on December 29, 2009 at 11:07 am

I used to work for Delta airlines pre 9-11 so if you’re looking for terrorists and people to blame for this start with the employees of Northwest Airlines. The ememy is inside the gate. TSA, homeland security, FAA, the screeners at the checkpoints are all secondary.
The man was allowed to buy a ticket without a passport, he then had to check in at the ticket counter to recieve his ticket and obtain a boarding pass-again without a passport. The ticket agent who gave him a boarding pass is an employee of Northwest Airlines, they violated federal, and Airline policy in doing so, that alone is a criminal offense. The passenger then had to go through customs before being allowed into the terminal to get to his flight. Again, without a passport. Finally he reached the gate where the gate agent again must look at his passport and his boarding pass. Those agents were Northwest employees who violated federal and Airline policy again. Now I know nothing is in the news, big surprise there, but all those employees should be arrested.

I just got back from a trip to Croatia, and had to fly out of Amsterdam. I took a Northwest flight and while I was perusing the area with my four hour layover I noticed that the majority of Personal working for Northwest in Amsterdam, IE. the maintenace crews, food service crews, and Security personal were all Arabs…No big surprise how this man, and another one, the next day got on board these flights.

perception of truth on December 29, 2009 at 11:28 am

Actually, with the safeguards in aircraft, he couldn’t have brought that plane down. His true intent, as you pointed out, was financial attack. Now, airports won’t profile and we won’t fly.

Why is this guy breathing?

goldenmike4393 on December 29, 2009 at 12:41 pm

JLin, do a bit of digging on Walid Shoebat before you defend him.
For what it’s worth, do the same for Hagee. Just because a preacher has a ministry, that doesn’t mean he’s doing God’s work.
I agree with Debbie-terrorists use terror as an effective weapon, so this attack was successful, but ultimately self-defeating for the terrorists. Fear is momentary, but resolve which comes from being attacked can carry you through a lifetime.

Douglas Q on December 29, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Also, JLin, check out R. Eckstein. While I am Jewish and opposed to EVangelicals proselytizing me, I don’t actively court their charitable donations. Rabbi Eckstein does. Most of his support comes from them and yet he tells them they are not allowed to share their faith. Uh, that’s what they’re supposed to do. That would be like telling me to work on the Shabbat to afford charity for to give him.
    Also while we didn’t know prior to 1989 the real situation in the USSR, once the country became flooded with Soviet “Jews” it was obvious not all were Jews and not all were in poverty. All those pianos the Jewish Agency shipped? They weren’t for concert musicians. They were a commodity that could be gotten out in place of rubles which couldn’t. We knew many Russian immigrants including a doctor from Kiev who had had her own clinic. Another one who’d been in the Merchant machine and brought dollars and a new VW with him all paid for by the Jewish Agency and those who gave to the likes of Eckstein. Yes, there were poor, sick and elderly real Jews but Eckstein made a business of promoting the “poor Soviet Jews” with no regard for others who wished to immigrate and couldn’t even those in danger i.e. Yemenite Jewry. There are about 200 mostly old and sick Jews in Zimbabwe, living in absolutely disgusting sub-human conditions and who even knows? They have no way out. It’s a terrible story. I can find you more imperiled Jews if you like and to be honest, US Jews aren’t too far behind with many not having the means to immigrate. The “aliyah” organizations only want the “Juppies,” Jewish Yuppies.

    MK: Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein does marvelous work. Please stop attacking him. DS

    mk750 on December 29, 2009 at 1:27 pm

      Sorry, *merchant marine not machine

      mk750 on December 29, 2009 at 1:29 pm

FOCUS everyone. The pinheads here keep running away from the issue of the nut case with the explosive device.

Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Every Terrorist has been a MUSLIM. So focus your resources towards the issues. LOOK AT MUSLIMS first. Profiling is doen everyday, embrace it as a working art form and move on. My 89 year old pacemaker wearing father is NOT the threat. YET because he medically cannot go through a metal detector he is strip searched everytime I put him on a plane. I want to scream when the idiot from DHS ‘hand wands the metal detector’ over him, after the same idiot admits that a walk through metal detector could kill him.

Do not go too far afield here. The threat is a MUSLIM, and nothing else. I really don’t care if I offend anyone, as long as my plane lands safely…everytime.

Dickn52 on December 29, 2009 at 1:03 pm

I must apologize if my previous comments to this blog post of inadequate substance has misled anyone. I had not realized that defending a religion that is not my own would cause me to be seen as simply another Muslim Jihadist (and I use the term here in your militant definition, not as the jihad for unity with Allah as it was taught to me). I had mistakenly assumed that I was posting a comment to people who might read it as another point of view on a situation, and apparently you are so set in your hatred of Muslims (regardless of the fact that fewer than 10% of Muslims are mujahideen) that you have chosen to label someone who does not hold your view as a threat to your beliefs. And that is fine. May the Westboro Baptist Church make a special just for people like you to get gratification for your hatred.

The fact is, I am not a terrorist, I am not an Arab supremacist, I am not a “Jihadist” (while the proper term is mujahid), I am not an agent of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, I am not even from the Middle East. I am a German-Irish atheist.

I chose not to specify my race or religion when I defended Muslims for the simple experiment that the retorts against my argument would be because I am Muslim defending Muslims. But I am not, and the arguments I have laid out before you are those of a white atheist.

My reply to JM very much mirrored JM’s own argument (especially the part that was quoted by Worry 01, who obviously did not get the point) to show the absurdity of every word he wrote. My point is not that Muslims are better, or Americans should die, or that Jews are bad (how you got anti-semitism out of “Polish Jew,” which merely notes its difference from Ukrainian Jew or Israeli Jew, who are all Jewish but immigrated to the US from different places, is a comment of which the origin I am yet unable to comprehend — we even specify my fiancee as a Galician Jew), the point is that your racist views and anti-Islamic sentiments simply don’t make sense if you look at it from any view other than that in your own skull.

So why do you consider the Muslims to be so barbaric? I think the use of the word barbaric is funny, in itself, considering how often English speakers poke fun at the sound of Arabic (the word barbaric, coming from Greek, mimics the sound of non-Greek languages because to them the languages sounded like “bar-bar-bar-bar”). You who, in your argument, fight for the preservation of Christian tradition (which is, historically, far more barbaric than Sharia law) fail to see that people in the Middle East are fighting for the preservation of their Islam tradition. You cannot wish the enforcement of Christian traditions on Muslim immigrants if you also wish the preservation of your own Christian traditions on Christian emigrants, it is hypocrisy (although, hypocrisy is a staple of Christianity ever since the separation from Judaism nearly 2000 years ago).

The only shame is that the people who are truly Muslim and don’t bastardize it for their own political gain (like the extremists do) are oppressed by those who push a non-Muslim agenda under the Muslim flag. And yet we blame the Muslims who are innocent, who truly wish for peace and freedom, and who emigrate to the US and the UK and the Eastern Bloc as refugees. Have we not seen this blanket blame before, when we put the Japanese-Americans into internment camps in World War II? If we saw how wrong it was to lump the Japanese-Americans together because of the beliefs of military leaders of Japan, why are we going to be so blind as to do it again with Muslims only 60 years later? If Hitler became the world’s most evil man for killing Jews because he blamed them for his not being accepted to art school, then why do we not find it unconscionable to drop so many bombs on Iraqi civilians that birth defects in southern Iraq are up over a thousand percent because we blame them for what a minority of them do?

Dickn52 wants us pinheads to focus on the guy on the plane with the bomb. The successes that Debbie Schlussel claims in her blog is not the success caused by the Nigerian bomber, that happened long before he became radical. However, Debbie Schlussel and anti-Muslim racists have succeeded in another goal of terrorists: to create people in America who have so much hatred against Muslims and who promote the suppression of Muslims in America and support the killing of Muslims by international military forces. This gives the Muslims the excuse that we are trying to attack and oppress them, which allows them more propaganda to create more terrorists and more radicalized troops to send against North America and Europe. By thinking you are winning a war against Islam, you have lost the war against terrorists.

Study the Torah, the Bible, the Qur’an. Study the differences between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They are few and they are minor. Their interpretations are what creates so much strife in the world. Do you think that Christianity is evil because Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, who have warred bloodily in the past, have different interpretations of the same Bible? Or are the people who do evil things in the name of a misinterpretation of their religious text the truly evil ones?

Take this not from an Arab supremacist Muslim Jihadist, but from a German and Irish American atheist who has learned about these different religions and refuses to stereotype the majority based on the minority. The problems do not arise because of our religions, but because of our interpretations of those religions.

Ghost on December 29, 2009 at 4:56 pm

    Thank you Ghost. Quite frankly, it hasn’t ceased to amaze me how ill-informed people are about most religions. The so-called 3 great religions of mankind (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) basically have the same teachings or goals but like you rightly pointed out the problem is in how we perceive and interpret their text. It is through this our perception that the seeds of fundamentalism fertilize.

    As I said elsewhere already, the embedded ‘virtues’ of ALL religions instigate fundamentalism when negatively perceived. The hatred that is spewed on Muslims is unnecessary. Christians, Jews, Atheists, whatever, are all capable and liable of the same crimes that are here now being committed by Islamic fanatics. It is not about the religion or race but evil intentions and power. Having said that, your being a Jew or Christian doesn’t necessarily make you any better than the Muslim standing next to you. It is the depth of your belief in the text of your religion and how you perceive same that does, negatively or positively. My religion is simple and uncomplicated: Do unto others as you’d have them do unto you.

    Egoigwe on December 29, 2009 at 7:43 pm

The high water mark for Al Quaeda was 9/11. Since then, they appear to be recruiting some of the least competent terrorists imaginable.

The Terrorist's Advocate on December 29, 2009 at 7:14 pm

For a very interesting perspective from a very “kosher” rabbi.

mk750 on December 30, 2009 at 1:02 am

Ghost said: blah, blah, blah, yaddah, yaddah and…’Study the Torah, the Bible, the Qur’an. Study the differences between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. They are few and they are minor.”

NOT really…
Judaism and Christianity are miles apart but iSlam is somewhere on freakin’ Pluto.

BTW, Is there a website where you mussie trolls go to, to copy and paste this drivel? No atheist would go through this much trouble to defend a religion and a god he doesn’t beleive in. It’s always the same old crap too… the Christians did this and the Jews did that. Well guess what the muslims ARE doing right NOW! Can you guess, huh? Come on, give it some time…
need a hint?.. it starts with a capitol T’
….ends with ‘errorism
…still no clue, huh? yeah, I didn’t think so…

theShadow on December 30, 2009 at 1:21 am


I think you are the ill-informed one, typically equating Judeo-Christian beliefs with Islam. Allah is not G_d. Mohhamed wasn’t a prophet-he was a sick pedophile.

The only people that I know of at the present time boarding airplanes with bombs on their persons with the intent to blow up innocent people are Muslims.

All dogs bite, but if I had been bitten 9 times by German Shepperds you would be telling me to go up and pet the 10th.

Pinandpuller on December 30, 2009 at 2:09 am

    Pinandpuller-you are completely entitled to your opinions and the choice of dwelling on your ignorance can only be yours too to make. The similarities between Islam and Christianity is not in dispute and has never been. Islam recognizes Jesus (Isah) as a prophet of God and preaches peace to all mankind. It abhors the killing of Innocents, self and fellow Muslims as well as the mistreating of strangers. The very word Islam is Peace!

    “The only people that I know of at the present time boarding airplanes with bombs on their persons with the intent to blow up innocent people are Muslims.”

    Very well said. What I’d like to hear is your take on the killing of defenseless women and children by American and Israeli DU-bombs on their own homeland, excused by the dubious claims of WMD and threat to homeland security. We all know it’s about other peoples’ oil, its theft and the creation of access routes to and from those deposits. Nigeria has oil, so does Somali, Iraq, Yemen and Iran. It is no coincidence that these countries are here today being demonized in the name of terrorism-hell, some have even branded Nigeria a Muslim state.

    We also know that the AFPAK war is all about an intended pipeline that will drain the Caspian basin of its oil for Western consumption. It is all about the oil, stupid, and this talk about terrorism is just manure to help fertilize and mask that intent. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is as much a terrorist as is the Israeli settler, Mossad and the Xe contractor. They all ply the same trade.

    Egoigwe on December 30, 2009 at 9:51 am

once again…for an atheist you sure do spend a lot of time defending a god you don’t beleive in….
menanwhile you try to defame the two religions muslims hate the most…
and you’re an atheist…………..
…… yeah, right. me too

hell, I don’t care what you beleive in either, but I do beleive that you’re wrong!…and really, I’d love to know, where do you cut and paste your crap from?

theShadow on December 30, 2009 at 5:34 am

    My previous comment was a reply to Ghost’s reply which, it looks like, was yanked by Debbie. No great loss 🙂

    theShadow on December 30, 2009 at 2:05 pm


Aisha was about 6 or 7 when betrothed to Mohammed and 9 when “opened” (is that a good old-fashioned word for you?).

Have you been drinking the funky cold Medina or listening to Hendrix (what if six was nine)?

Show me a population outside of NAMBLA that considers sex with 9 year olds as anything other than sick pedophilia.

According to what I’ve read about Islam a girl becomes a woman at first menses-or when she gets her first beating with a stick the size of my wrist, whichever comes first.

Where did you get your reference about Aisha being 12?

From the hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, volume 2, #2116

“Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.” (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”

Pinandpuller on December 30, 2009 at 7:34 am

OBummer again takes a limpdick approach to the issue and will apologize to some other innate little country for our malfeasance. In reality, he just wants the airline industry to tank so the government can step in and take it over like they did the auto industry and the banks. We all see where that got us.

As far as security goes, what’s the next step? TSA obviously can’t get it…CBP is nowhere to be found, and ICE would just let the explosives get by as long as they can bust passengers for fake Nikes and Coach purses.

icenomore on December 30, 2009 at 7:57 am


Just remember this … This is the FBI’s debacle, NOT DHS’ or ICE’s – DHS is NOT part of the intel community, and ICE has been told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that the FBI is THE lead on terror; we at ICE are not even in the mix on this crap.

Let Mueller choke on this one, and, as for Secretary Napolitano, well, just let’s say I am sure her executive staff is drafting her resignation letter as we speak … her comments need no further qualification.

“And there will be wars and rumours of wars …”

StillShakingMyHead on December 30, 2009 at 8:25 am

I apologize to those who were not able to read my previous comment, which outlined in detail the similarities of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, including the importance of Jesus to all three and their origins in Abraham.

I also apologize if I had offended Debbie, who must have been close to suicide after reading it if she had taken the measure to remove such a comment that so lacked Muslim hate and conservative views. She operates quite similarly to the Axis of Evil (Michael Savage, Bill O’Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh), it seems, where any opposing view must be stricken from the record entirely for fear that someone may possibly think differently than her. My posts have been nothing but respectful, albeit on the other side of the table, but if discussion of Islam as anything but a 1-billion-strong terrorist religion is off limits then so be it.

I do challenge Debbie to take the opportunity to email me her response if she so chooses, if she is not a coward unwilling to discuss history and theology without spouting anti-Muslim sentiment. My email was required to leave a reply and I, who have a blog of my own on an unrelated topic, am aware that the owner of the blog is allowed to view an unpublished email address when someone leaves a comment.

I again apologize for my lack of Muslim hatred in my previous posts, which is I assume the only reason such an extensive and thought-out comment would have been removed from a blog which is almost solely relating to Islam. I promise to never dissent again, and follow in line with your anti-Muslim views like the National Socialist Party of Germany followed Hitler’s anti-Jewish views.

Please also link me to the list of which views are allowed to be written on your website and which views are blacklisted. I know how distressful an opposing view can be when your own is so lacking in real knowledge of the subject that underlies all arguments.

Ghost on December 30, 2009 at 2:55 pm


The similarities between Christianity and Islam are much in line with the similarities between Christianity and Mormonism.

Jim Jones and David Koresh for that matter.

One part Christianity, two parts charismatic womanizing child molester.

I subscribe to the view that Jesus was either the Son of G_d as he claimed, or a lying blasphemer. I believe the former.

In order to find the meaning of a certain word in the Arabic dictionary, it is essential to search for the three letter infinitive verb which is called the root. Many words can be derived from the same root, but they don’t necessarily have to have any similarity in their meaning. The word Islam, which means ‘submission’, is derived from the infinitive Salama. So is the word Salam which means ‘peace’ and so is the verb Salima which means ‘to be saved or to escape from danger’. One of the derivations of the infinitive Salama means ‘the stinging of a snake’ or ‘The tanning of the leather’. Hence, if the word Islam has something to do with the word Salam i.e. ‘Peace’, does that also mean that it must be related to the ‘stinging of the snake’ or ‘tanning the leather’?

“Muhammad used to send letters to the kings and leaders of the surrounding countries and tribes, inviting them to surrender to his authority and to believe in him as the messenger of Allah. He always ended his letters with the following two words: “Aslim, Taslam!”. Although these two words are derived from the same infinitive Salama which is the root of Salam, i.e. ‘Peace’, neither one of them implies the meaning of ‘peace’. The sentence means ‘surrender and you will be safe’, or in other words, ‘surrender or face death’. So where is the meaning of ‘Peace’ in such a religion that threatens to kill other people if they don’t submit to it?” Bassam Darwich

Pinandpuller on December 30, 2009 at 11:12 pm

I can’t remember how to italicize so the prior two paragraph quote should have been quotes from “In order”. If it’s overly long I apologise.

Pinandpuller on December 30, 2009 at 11:18 pm


I don’t justify the killing of innocents of any kind. I think we should get out of Saudi Arabia and let those sick bastards rot. We have a lot of oil, gas and coal in this country and we have way too much unemployment.

Have you written letters to Kerry, Clinton et al who voted to authorize Bush’s invasion of Iraq

Pinandpuller on December 30, 2009 at 11:21 pm

This is a joke, right? I can’t imagine anyone being so ignorant on purpose.

Mark on December 31, 2009 at 12:27 am

I really think allowing people to keep their civil rights is a little more important than ensuring that everyone makes their flight on time.

Lisa on December 31, 2009 at 12:28 am


Andy Garcia has a new movie coming out called “Things to Do With Your Civil Rights When You’re Dead”.

Pinandpuller on December 31, 2009 at 9:04 am

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