June 25, 2007, - 11:52 am

UPDATE: H-1B Avoidance Law Firm Engages in CYA; Under Investigation?; Even Socialist Senator Decries H-1B Fraud

By Debbie Schlussel
Last week, I showed you video of Lawrence Leibowitz, a lawyer and Vice President/Director of Pittsburgh’s Cohen & Grigsby law firm, advising employers how to avoid hiring Americans for various jobs.
The video–released by the Programmers’ Guild–was in stark contrast to the constant whining by employers (and their friends at the Wall Street Journal editorial page) that there aren’t enough skilled Americans to fill various jobs, from the high tech industry to construction. Their drumbeat to increase the number of H-1b visas is getting louder. But the video was yet more proof that clearly there are skilled Americans who want these jobs, but employers want to get around hiring and paying them standard market wages.

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Well, now the video has reached lawmakers. USA Today reports that both U.S. Senator Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Congressman Lamar Smith (R-Texas) have called for the Labor Department to investigate the law firm. Given that Labor is under the hegemony of open borders/cheap labor advocate Elaine Chao and her Bush Admin bosses, we’ll see if the investigation and any meaningful punishment actually happens.
But in the meantime, any one of you–dear readers–can file a grievance with the State Bar and attorney grievance commission of Pennsylvania against Leibowitz and his firm. Leibowitz’s law firm released a statement regretting Leibowitz’s “choice of words.” No, the only thing he and his firm regret is getting caught trying to get around America’s labor laws in exchange for the big bucks of their employer clients. And now, they are trying to cover their asses.
Even socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont agrees with conservative Republicans like Senator Grassley and me that there really isn’t the lack of qualified, skilled American workers that employers, wishing to pay less in wages and benefits, claim:

Skeptics say increasing immigration is a way for employers to avoid increasing wages. “They want to defy the economic law of supply and demand,” [Senator Bernie] Sanders [IND-Vermont] said at a Capitol Hill news conference last week. “Instead of paying better wages and benefits, they want to import cheaper workers.”
In construction, where the Pew Hispanic Center estimates that about 14% of the jobs are occupied by illegal immigrants, wages have stagnated, said Ed Sullivan, president of the Building and Construction Trades workers’ union. He said the immigration bill’s guest-worker provisions would continue that trend.
Similar suspicions are shared by computer programmers and engineers. Ron Hira, a professor of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology, questions the need for more foreign workers when technology companies such as Dell, Motorola and IBM have recently announced layoffs.
“I don’t think there’s any indication of a broad shortage in IT (information technology) workers,” he said. “You’d see that show up in wage increases, and we haven’t seen wage increases.”

When the market sounds a loud message that we don’t need more H-1B immigrants, the Wall Street Journal and big business–which alway tout market solutions–are turning a deaf ear.
Why is this important? Well, the hundreds of thousands of temporary workers under the Immigration Amnesty Bill will be taking these jobs “that Americans just won’t do” away from Americans. And they will be doing so with open U.S. government sanction.
Since there’s much fraud now–with the help of lawyer Lebowitz and the Cohen & Grigsby law firm–imagine how much more there will be if this bill passes. And how many more Americans will lose their jobs to these aliens.

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22 Responses

I am an Indian who wants to move to the US and for us H-1B is a very important first step towards green card or permanent residency. So I cannot support the abolishment of something that can help me achieve my dream.

donny on June 25, 2007 at 12:50 pm

You’ve already got a country for Indians, a whole sub-continent. The US isn’t a job-jar for everybody on planet Earth!

steve ventry on June 25, 2007 at 1:22 pm

I heard Donny is a very common name in India.

JB on June 25, 2007 at 1:58 pm

India for Indians.
Ever read how they treat Christians over there?
H-1B is treason. left, right and center.
I be a former hightech worker.

Walt from michigan on June 25, 2007 at 2:14 pm

Hey Donny, I’m sorry the other responses were kind of abrasive, but… there’s a lot of truth in what they mean. Here it is: this country is the one you all love to see in harms way. This is the country every other country’s people love to hate. This is the country that is responsible for all the misery everywhere else in the world. Right? Did you happen to read Debbie’s post on how MUCH we donate to countries like yours so you can “live the dream”? Why is it that people, especially Europeans, Middle East and Eastern Asian cultures want to hurt this country, yet it’s the one place they ALL want to come to? The best way to help you achieve your dream is simple, but difficult. We Americans need to close the door and throw out the trash, including our own stupid elected officials. We will clean up our country and re-establish the correct and appropriate rule of law — and ENFORCE it. Then, you can apply. It may take 5-10 years, but that is how it has to be if we are going to be able to continue to prop up the rest of the world like we have for the last 100 years. I know it sucks, but if it’s going to be freedom for me and mine or you, coming to America — I vote for me right now. Good luck!

FreeAmerican on June 25, 2007 at 3:20 pm

The entire concept of increasing any type of US visas is ludicrous, so long as the fact remains that so many of the visas now given out are gained fraudulently. I recently posted videos of a former CIS (Citizen and Immigration Services) agent within the US Department of Homeland Security (by the name of Allyson Nixon). She lays out in a clear speech how the H2B and other visa variants and the entire system are completely riddled with enormous amounts of fraud. Apparently, she is the first (or one of the first) real whistleblowers out of CIS. Once the videos got posted, she was whisked off to DC for further interviews.
Bottom line is that our visa programs generally have so much fraud, that to increase any of the limits without stopping the massive fraud will only lead us further down the path we are on.
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=689575A3F3187B92
Brian

75273 on June 25, 2007 at 4:37 pm

Well then I guess we will always agree to disagree and hope that the outcome of this debate comes out in my favor. You don’t have to welcome me, and I don’t have to be friends with you. I don’t think in terms of “hurting economy” or “stealing someone’s job”. I will try my best to make my life better and be in a place whose culture I appreciate and hopefully contribute to that place/land/country. It is a selfish concept but I am happy with that.

donny on June 25, 2007 at 5:25 pm

And for the record, I don’t care if 99.99% of Indians hate the US (they don’t, most Indians love US and the way of life here or else so many of them wouldn’t stay back and start engaging even in politics – but nice way to lump us all together). I love the country, its structure, the system and the people. So, I will do my best to get through this system and be happy with an H-1B and have no remorse no matter how treasonous you think it is. It’s never fun to be 100% accepted anyway. And also for the record, if, say, 10-20 years from now, some other country has a superior economy, system, democracy, way of life and as much social freedom as we have here, I wouldn’t hesitate trying to move there as well. Color me “selfish prick” if you want. As long as I contribute to the national economy and help in prospering the system, I don’t see any reason why a forward thinking superpower would want to stop the inflow of the friendly people from around the world who admire this country and are willing to stay back.

donny on June 25, 2007 at 5:33 pm

The H1-B’s largest tragedy is not tech workers but the cut-rate nurses we get from the Philippines. Talk about destroying a great profession and screwing our nursing homes and hospitals. Absolutely unforgivable! I hope that every Congressman experiences the results of this BS someday when they’re old and can’t defend themselves.

code7 on June 25, 2007 at 5:52 pm

Donny said:
“And also for the record, if, say, 10-20 years from now, some other country has a superior economy, system, democracy, way of life and as much social freedom AS WE HAVE HERE, I wouldn’t hesitate trying to move there as well.” (Emphasis mine. Notice that “here” is referring to the U.S.)
I thought you lived in India? HAH! Just as I suspected after seeing your name. Good job trying to pose as a nice, wholesome, hardworking, pro-American foreigner in order to get your pro-immigration point across. Did you learn how to use fraud in law school? LOL!

JB on June 25, 2007 at 10:18 pm

I live here as a foreign student, einstein, and that is not considered “moving to the US” since that’s a temporary non-immigrant visa. But I appreciate your knee-jerk reaction.

donny on June 26, 2007 at 8:04 am

“You’ve already got a country for Indians, a whole sub-continent. The US isn’t a job-jar for everybody on planet Earth!”
Absodamlutely! Enough already. America is not the bus station or the meeting place or the Big Rock Candy Mountain!

AlturaCt on June 26, 2007 at 3:10 pm

This response is for Donny and other fans (if there are any) of the H1B program.
For the record, I have nothing but the highest regards for Indians and their contributions to this country as legal immigrants and citizens. I also believe India is a democracy with whom the U.S. should be more closely aligned, politically and strategically.
That being said, the advancement of yours and millions others’ “selfish interests” is not in the best interest of this country.
You miss the point of these postings by DS. The outrage here is that attorneys are openly advocating fraud in order to benefit foreign nationals and the petitioner at the expense of an American (or perhaps lawful alien resident) worker. The goal of any employer should be to get the best possible employee at the market rate, not to artificially set up a recruitment process in an area that will produce a minimal number of qualified applicants, who you can then summarily disqualify. With the likely recruitment are not being the place of an employment. It’s a scam we’ve prosecuted before, and will again.
You and other nonimmigrants are visitors, guests. A true guest does not try to angle in to push away a resident from the dinner table, only to feed yourself. Nonimmigrants should have ZERO advantages to these jobs over resident aliens and USC’s, which is what this law firm was trying to perpetuate. If you were to get your status through this kind of scam, you should feel remorse.
FYI, this country is what it is because of our laws, not our geography and resources. If geographical determinism were the sole source of our success, then countries like yours, Russia’s and Mexico would be thriving.
Don’t worry Donny, the H class visas and their like won’t disappear, itís just a shame that most of those who get the status get it through fraud. See what happens if you get your status, then naturalize, demand top dollar for your services, get laid off by IBM and then have to go up against one of these H1B scam machines. Your tune will change.

Staypositive on June 26, 2007 at 7:31 pm

Staypositive – if I ever lose a job to another H1-B, I will not call for it’s abolishment because that will be utterly hypocritical of me to trash a system that let me in. Will I ask for its reform? Absolutely – for example, again from a very selfish standpoint, I would urge H1B to be only given to those willing to stay back (future emigration to elsewhere is a nonfactor) at least as a permanent resident.
I know I will never have close friendship with any white peer in my field since most have them hold this grudge against us and that’s fine. I believe the US is more than some displaced tech workers.
We are nonimmigrants now because that is our only option. Don’t blame us of having dreams and agenda as nonimmigrant guests when that is the only first legitimate step towards immigration.

donny on June 26, 2007 at 8:58 pm

Donny- A nonimmigrant guest whose true intentions are to immigrate is an intending immigrant. You should be denied entry at your next application for admission to the U.S. as a nonimmigrant if that is true. The purpose of your visit should be just that, a temporary stay. It shouldn’t be used as a platform to displace U.S. workers.
You should consider your own words – “I know I will never have a close friendship with a white peer…” Why? Although I am admittedly not in your field, I have had to compete for and work alongside foreign-born U.S. citizens at various stages in my career, many of them non-white, and with whom I had close friendships. The reason you and other Indian tech workers are resented is your willingness to accept wages at lower than the market rate, thereby depressing salaries and creating displaced workers. But you already know that and it doesn’t matter to you, because that is your personal (and it sounds racial) agenda. As you said, that is fine with you, because after all, they’re just displaced tech workers and there is more to this country than them. It’s too bad you don’t see it from their perspective.
Whether it is Mexicans resenting Salvadorans in construction or Filipinos resenting West Africans in nursing, the ethnic/racial advocacy of guys like you always surfaces. Like I said, we’ll see someday if you talk the talk when Chinese nationals come over on the next wave of H1-B’s and displace you and your Indian pals. I wonder what kind of friendships you’ll maintain with them?
Here’s a not so novel thought, try making it in India and doing your part to improve that country to the point where people aren’t so desperate to immigrate. Isn’t that the supposed reason you came to school here? With all of the work we’ve outsourced there, there’s certainly the opportunity. You see, I think this country benefits by having an economically, academically and intellectualy strong India. We don’t benefit by allowing people like you who look at displaced tech workers as nuisances to immigrate.

Staypositive on June 26, 2007 at 11:59 pm

Staypositive – student visa is a very legitimate platform for immigration. If you don’t like, go change your system or something instead of constantly whining like how morally wrong that is. Go elect Tancredo as your president. And no, the purpose of my education is to make a better life for MYSELF and my family. The improvement of the country I am in, is an obvious byproduct. I will not view things from your perspective as long as you do not see them from mine. And try not to speak for the entire country about how you do or do not benefit from immigration. Immigrants are major entreprenuers (spelling?) in this country and do create a lot of jobs and there are MANY americans who appreciate that unlike you. And finally, if you resent us for accepting low salary and consciously displace workers, I guess I should start hating white management folks since they’re offering us low salaries! But guess what, for us that salary is an improved lifestyle and we are grateful for the opportunity given as a starting step. And no Indian complains. So if you don’t like it.. either change your system… or you probably have to start killing us or .. hey, maybe nuke the engineering colleges in india… And also, on a final note, India produces more engineers than US does – which is an obvious factor but I didn’t want to rub it in as a sign of minimum respect for a member from the host country.

donny on June 27, 2007 at 11:20 am

THE POINT IS, it doesn’t matter if Indians like America, they’ve WRECKED their country with over ONE BILLION PEOPLE. Why should we bring in people to this country, especially when the water tables are DROPPING, oil is probably peaking, and we are already paving everything in sight?! And, WHY would we bring in people who BREED LIKE THERE’S NO TOMORROW?? It’s NOT OUR JOB to take in everybody else! These jobs are here for us, not the whole world.

steve ventry on June 28, 2007 at 2:31 am

We breed in the US like there’s no tomorrow? Which funny neighborhood do you live in, sir? Finally, in this age of globalization, I think you should start toning down that “my job, our job” sentiment, lest you wanna look like a completely out-of-touch fool. Indians in India know that the jobs outsourced to them will be outsourced to some poorer country in the next few decades and that’s how things run. There will be some similar nationalistic protectionist sentiment there as well and that will eventually be drowned by the wiser voices. No it is not your job to feed the world, but it is our job to try to make our lives better and we will and should use every legitimate opportunity available to achieve that – be it in India or in the US or any goddamned country. So I understand the competition between the two ideologies and hopefully the one with the stronger support (populist / institutional) will survive.

donny on June 28, 2007 at 8:34 am

The US doesn’t need ANY more people, certainly not people with huge birth rates. The Whites, at least, have small, manageable families and we live well because of that.
And, if Indians are interchangeable with Americans in terms of jobs, why aren’t you just creating all those jobs and a high standard of living in India? But you’re not, are you? It’s a hell hole, and millions and millions of 3rd-worlders will turn this country into a hell hole, too. Stay in your own countries and improve THOSE.

steve ventry on June 28, 2007 at 11:54 pm

Too much hate there buddy. Interesting, Indians are the most successful of the immigrant group in terms of per capita income. Hmmm, makes me wonder how much of a hell hole we are turning this country into :) Many Indians choose to move to the US because this IS the land of opportunities. Like it or not, your ancestors came here with the same dream. Indian immigrants make this country better. And 3rd world immigrants have the biggest drive to succeed in Engineering and Science, and now in politics too. If you want lump up Dearbornistan immigrants with all other brown people, you have issues.

donny on June 29, 2007 at 10:46 am

“Hate” is code for “you’re not allowed to argue effectively”. Sorry, I don’t buy that anymore. What’s “hateful” is for Indians or others to have a country for their people, but to expect Whites to get out of your way when you want what WE have, YOU are “hateful”. Indians haven’t improved ANYTHING; they are overcrowding the world with huge birth rates while resources dwindle, now you want to flood in where Whites have managed resources effectively. If you are the same as us, why don’t you just improve India??

steve ventry on June 29, 2007 at 12:10 pm

No .. we love the culture of america and we will try our best to live here and assimilate here which will only improve the economy of this country among other things. If whites like YOU don’t like it, maybe YOU should leave this country and only come back when some asshat like Tancredo is the President :)

donny on June 29, 2007 at 12:55 pm

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