July 20, 2007, - 6:53 pm

Attention, ICE: How ‘Bout Investigating This Open H-1B Violator? Correction: Munjal Shah Says NOT Using H-1B Visas to Give Jobs to Foreign Aliens

By Debbie Schlussel
**** UPDATE/Correction, 07/22/06: Munjal Shah, CEO of Riya and the subject of this post, has written in the comments section of this entry to dispute what I’ve written herein. He says I am wrong and that he is not using H-1B visas to bring over foreigners to do the work he admits Americans are qualified to do. Instead, he’s using L1 – intercompany transfer visas, to bring foreigners here to do the work Americans WILL and can do.
My mistake, and I stand corrected. You say “to-MAY-toh,” I say “Tom-AH-toh.” Either way, he’s still bringing in alien workers to America to do the work he admits Americans are qualified to do, given the chance (which he won’t give them).
And I gotta hand it to Mr. Shah. That’s a clever trick. Open an office in another country to avoid hiring Americans and outsource the jobs there. Then, bring the outsourcing back here with him under the guise of “Intercompany Transfer.” Ain’t America Grand.
And, FYI, the Wall Street Journal article in question quotes Shah as saying that it cost him a lot to close up and move his outsourced Indian office functions back to America. He could have avoided the huge expense–and my post about him–had he hired Americans to do the job here in the first place. Overall, he and his company lost . . . and so did America.
So, while it may be legal, it’s a way of getting around hiring Americans. He took jobs away from Americans in the first place,a nd now he’s bringing those non-Americans to whom he gave the jobs, over here to America. ****
Recently, I told you about a law firm that gives seminars advising companies how to avoid hiring Americans. The firm–among many others around the country, I’m sure–gave employers advice on how to hire foreigners for jobs Americans are qualified for, but at a much lower salary.
It’s called the H-1B Visa. And employers constantly lie, claiming there are no qualified Americans, so that they can hire a foreigner for much less.

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Munjal Shah, CEO of Riya

A few weeks ago (July 3rd to be exact), the Wall Street Journal did a front-page story, “Some in Silicon Valley Begin to Sour on India: A Few Bring Jobs Back as Pay of Top Engineers in Bangalore Skyrockets.” As you probably figured, the story is about how companies outsourcing skilled software developer jobs were now finding it was no cheaper to do business in India and that it paid to close up shop and move back to the U.S. Munjal Shah, CEO of Riya, Inc., a California start-up, was one of those companies and the centerpoint of the story.
He decided to close his Bangalore office and move all operations back to San Mateo, California. But here’s the rub (which wasn’t the focus of the story, but it sure caught my eye).
He’s bringing Indian software developers here on visas, even though he admits to the Wall Street Journal that there are plenty of qualified software developers here who can do the same job:

Indian salaries soared. Last year, Mr. Shah paid his engineers in India about half of Silicon Valley levels. By early this year, it was 75%. “Taking into account the time difference with India,” he says, “we weren’t saving any money by being there anymore.” In April, Mr. Shah shut down the Bangalore office and offered half of its engineers a chance to move to San Mateo, Calif., with work visas. . . .
“I realized price expectations were too high,” Mr. [Azhar] Khan [the Muslim VP of the company] says. “I thought, “Wait, why are we paying a junior guy $50,000 or $60,000 over there when I can get a guy [in California] for $80,000?”
In April, he and Mr. Shah decided to shutter the Bangalore operation and bring key staffers to the U.S. After getting board approval, they flew to Bangalore and assembled the 20 engineers to break the news. “They were all upset,” says Sowmya Karnad, Riya’s human-resources director in Bangalore. But given the soaring wages, it didn’t come as a surprise. Messrs. Shah and Khan offered 10 engineers a chance to move to Riya’s U.S. office. Eight, including Mr. Dalal, accepted. . . .
Mr. Shah says Riya’s shutdown costs, such as immigration charges and a broken lease, will be in six figures.
He has cleared eight desks in San Mateo for the eight Indian engineers coming over and is waiting for their paperwork to clear, hoping they’ll be in Silicon Valley by the end of the year.

How is he allowed to do this? H-1B Visas require ads in papers describing salary, hours, job qualifications, and job description. It also requires Shah to prove he can find no qualified Americans to do the job. But he already admitted to the Wall Street Journal that there are plenty of Americans in his vicinity who will do the job and are qualified.
So how does he get away with it? And why isn’t Marcy “Black Ass” Forman-Friedman a/k/a “Peppermint Patty,” Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director of Investigations, putting her agents in the Silicon Valley to work on Mr. Shah and his company? Doesn’t she read the Wall Street Journal? It’s an easy, open and shut case, with the perpetrator admitting what he’s doing and giving his real name.
It’s this simple: Shah said he originally moved some company operations to India because he could pay software developers far less. Pretty soon, by early this year, those Indian workers wanted 75% of the pay and benefits that American ones demanded. With the time difference and costs of the office in India, this eliminated any profit differential he had by being located in India. So he moved back, but offered and obtained visas for several of the Indian software developers, again, even though he admitted that Americans can do the same work (and, now, at the same price).
That Shah and Khan openly admit to this, shows that the laws for H-1B Visa enforcement don’t have any teeth behind them. That’s because the “teeth” work for Peppermint Patty and Julie L. Myers a/k/a “The ICE Princess,” and they shy away from enforcing the law against big business H-1B visa violators. That’s why they are being laughed at with front-page open braggadocio in the nation’s most read newspaper.
Hey, ICE: Get to work on this case. Time to investigate Munjal Shah and Azhar Khan for hiring aliens to do the job Americans WILL do . . . but aren’t being given the legally-required opportunity to apply.

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Read the New York Post classified ads, any day, for dozens of H-1B Visa-related ads. They can be identified easily by the Pennsylvania reply address, though they’re for NYC-area jobs. Each is for a job that could easily be performed by an American, but which is intended for a foreigner (for lower pay).
The kicker? The NY Post is not the paper that is most appropriate to reach the type of worker that’s being sought. And this is intentional, because they don’t want qualified applicants to see the ads.
Many hospitals and nursing homes play the same “we can’t find Americans” game, with nursing jobs. They usually get Philippine nursing agencies to provide nurses, file phony ads in papers that aren’t associated with traditional healthcare workers, and then throw their hands up with a feigned frustrated attitude. Really, though, they just want nurses/slaves who are locked into high-penalty contracts.
The Philippine nurses do it out of desperation to escape their country; they can’t be faulted for getting educated and wanting to improve their lives. But it’s a disgrace that so many of these professional jobs are going to foreigners, when there really are Americans who would do the same jobs.

longislandnurse on July 20, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Even if there is a shortage in a specific field, let market forces work and increase salaries. A corresponding increase in students studying that profession will ensue.
This crap along with illegal immigration makes me almost tinfoil hat convinced its a conspiracy to eventually get most of us to have to be wage competitive with $40/week labor in China.

jpm100 on July 20, 2007 at 8:53 pm

Ms. Schlussel,
I greatly appreciate the attention you give to this national disgrace.
However, actually there’s nothing that can be done about the guy you’re talking about.
The law firm video actually refers to the PERM process for converting an H-1b to get a green card.
The H-1b laws themselves are far more lax (meaning the emplyer doesnt even have to go through the farce of a ‘applicant search’).
To hire an H-1b, under current rules, you dont have to prove that no American are available. In fact, you can hire an H-1b to displace an existing emplyee. You used to have to do the farce job search, but they dropped it for H-1b. The laws are really that bad.
Senator Grassley, is trying to put through a law that would ‘close the loopholes’. It sounds good, but it seems that this ‘safeguard’ would coincide with a large H-1b increase.
How effective have existing/past safeguards been for American citizens?
Not effective whatsoever. The number of jobs lost through the next H-1b increase will be exactly equal to the size of the increase, even with the so called ‘safeguards’(which Senator Cornyn tried to sneak through this week as an amendment SA 2143 to the DOD bill (apparently you cant fund troops unless you give their jobs to foreign workers?), and also was attempted in last month’s immigration bill)
Sadly, the ‘safeguards’ are nothing more than feather smoothing to jack the count much higher.
Most people dont understand that this is a labor issue, not a tech issue. All of white collar is at risk.

JamesK on July 20, 2007 at 9:00 pm

here’s a link that discusses these issues

JamesK on July 20, 2007 at 9:04 pm

PS
Senator Cornyn was co-founder of the Senate India caucus
So, while our troops fight for America, Cornyn fights for India. Some of our soldiers, had to leave their IT jobs to go to Iraq. When/IF then come back, Cornyn will have given their jobs away to someone from India

JamesK on July 20, 2007 at 9:10 pm

I head the office of a well known pr company’s HR department in one city. We rarely sponsor and only for specific skill sets. I do find that what I have to do to prove that there are no americans who can do this job farcical. The attorneys do it all and I generally just print out their documents on company letterhead. When I have to post the sheet advertising the job and salary info, I am generally told to put it where nobody will look. It goes behind my open door.

nyone on July 20, 2007 at 9:47 pm

Nobody believes in America anymore. I was in Philadelphia today, what a Third World Freak Show. These people are not Americans, they don’t want to become Americans, they don’t like America.

steve ventry on July 21, 2007 at 12:19 am

It could be he just wants to bring in more Muslims. Isn’t that why we suddenly have an overwhelming number of Somali Muslims?

PJ on July 21, 2007 at 12:31 am

at least 2 of the London terror suspects were guest workers from India
It’s sickening, that an American worker could get fired, and replaced with a terrorist on an H-1b, because the terrorist is cheaper
how much lower can our country go?

JamesK on July 21, 2007 at 12:45 am

if a corporation did hire a terrorist on an H-1b, they should have full liability for any damage the trerrorist causes – but for the corporation bringing the jerk in, it wouldnt have happened
Our country is spending an absolute fortune for security and anti-terrorism – those who create risk out of greed should bear the consequences

JamesK on July 21, 2007 at 12:48 am

Debbie,
As much as I dislike the way top ICE management operates, we can’t blame this on them. Cases like these are always being investigated, and successfully so. Any ICE unit doing immigration fraud work around the country is doing as much as they can handle. Deparment of State, Department of Labor, and the FBI also do these investigations too, sometimes with us, sometimes on their own. This is Congress’ fault for not funding the thousands of positions that are supposedly “authorized”. The fact is, every segment of immigration, visa and labor benefit programs is infected with fraud. even with all of the agencies working these cases, it is still not enough.
The joke isn’t that ICE doesn’t want to do these cases, or that we haven’t requested more resources. The joke is that Congress and the president claim to care, but they don’t. Otherwise, interior investigations like these would be funded

Staypositive on July 21, 2007 at 1:53 am

I’m a legal Green Card holder originally from India, but I agree – crack down on these slimeballs. If they can get cheaper workers in Bangalore, why not maintain ops there? And if they want to operate here, they should hire either citizens or Green Card holders.
This business about there not being enough Americans to do the job was true in 1999 and Y2K, when companies did have a tough time finding or retaining workers. But today, that’s not an issue. And Indians too don’t have a good reason anymore to come here (unless they want to assimilate) – they can now get better paying (in comparison to cost of living expenses) jobs in India. But the idea of allowing any Muslim immigrants from anywhere – including India – is particularly insane (although the story above doesn’t mention whether Afzal is from India or Pakistan).

Infidel Pride on July 21, 2007 at 12:48 am

Japan and Korea’s economies are perfectly fine and they have NO immigration. This is such a myth that we have to import all sorts of “highly skilled” foreigners into our country and that it benefits Americans. It benefits anti-American foreigners, not us.
What Steve says above is so true. I was talking to a graduate classmate last night about all the Muslims moving into the Northern Virginia area, and she mentioned how brazen and OPENLY hostile many have become. She recently has had some bump right into her with a hostile stare and with no apologies. I’m actually starting to see women in full burkas, something I haven’t seen since I lived in Southeast Asia. There also seems to be a large number of Muslims moving into neighborhoods right under the flight path into Dulles airport in the Centreville area. Yet we keep importing them like a flood into our country.
Stay Positive- You sound too perky. This is always the excuse: We don’t have enough money, or its Congress’s fault, or its a federal issue not local or vice versa, or we have too many important things to do instead of arrest illegals at day laborer centers etc etc. ICE has the resources and the manpower. It just does not WANT to enforce the border.

Gabe on July 21, 2007 at 9:40 am

” … ICE has the resources and the manpower. It just does not WANT to enforce the border.”
Posted by: Gabe at July 21, 2007 09:40 AM
Dear Gabe:
Sir, I must disagree with you here, for the following reasons.
First off, legacy Customs, which had 3,500 agents before the merger, and legacy INS, which had 1,500 agents before the merger, combined to do DOUBLE the work (100% – BOTH Customs AND Immigration) with only a 42% increase in manpower. MANY of these human resources are FLEEING this abomination of an agency through retirements, transfers or outright resignations, and ICE cannot replensih them fast enough (it takes only 1 minute to quit or retire; it takes between 18-24 months to get a new agent on line, just with a badge and gun, nevermind experience).
Furthermore, ICE’s mandate to do both jobs was barely funded at the legacy Customs OI level of
$ 1 billion in 2003 dollars, and the fiscal mismanagement is so bad that DHS constantly comes to ICE to rob us of funds at year’s end (4th fiscal quarter) to plug shortcomings elsewhere. We were just advised in my office yesterday to put in for any travel/administrative expenses and obligate them for our cases before they disappear into the black hole that DHS has become.
And you say we have plenty of manpower and resources? No, sir, I say we don’t have nearly enough, but, at least that is more than the political will that exists in Congress and the suits right now, which is ZERO!

4EVERCUSTOMS on July 21, 2007 at 10:09 am

according to Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao
“Beyond the cheaper cost of labor, U.S. employers say that many workers abroad simply have a better attitude toward work. ìAmerican employees must be punctual, dress appropriately and have good personal hygiene,î says Chao. ìThey need anger-management and conflict-resolution skills, and they have to be able to accept direction. Too many young people bristle when a supervisor asks them to do something.î
yeah, SHE’S really looking out for American workers, you can bet she’s really working hard to look out for us ;)
click my name for a link to the oarticle

JamesK on July 21, 2007 at 10:49 am

We are a country with a lot of intelligence and ingenuity.That’s why America is a country everyone flocks to . And because of that I don’t want to see it change beyond recognition. If the current immigration policies continue, that’s exactly where we are headed.
How do we stop the influx of people that don’t like us, want to destroy us and our way of life. Clearly, the plan is to change the American democracy into something totally different. Surely we can come up with some ideas on how to combat this wave.
No matter what political party you belong to, we are all threatened, more than most of us realize. I just hope that we all wake up in time enough to do something about it.
I don’t want to live in a country where people of different religion and race are bumping into me with hatred in their eyes. I want a country where we coexist and more than coexist, a country where we love our neighbors no matter what religion or race they are.
I do not have a problem living peacefully and don’t want to have neighbors that are incapable of living in peace because of the way they were brought up, what they were taught as children or because of their religion!!!!!!! How about you?????
I consider myself an average person and I think there are many, many more of us than there are those with hate in their eyes. They have to be informed that there is no place for them here if they want to bring hatred !!!This has to be brought out for discussion so that the general public is aware.
And Debbie, you are already doing that!!!THANKS!!

TheAwakenedOne on July 21, 2007 at 3:00 pm

‘America’ is synonymous with ‘White boy’ to 99% of the world. They don’t like white boys, they don’t appreciate anything whites have accomplished, and they want to tear down America and remake it in their image, for their people. The world that is invading doesn’t like your flag, doesn’t like your country, and they don’t like you or your kids. Quit being a bunch of happy-go-lucky saps, hoping they will like you. They are invading so they can take your country from you, and you can just get stuffed.

steve ventry on July 21, 2007 at 3:18 pm

When was the last time indians were involved in terrorist attacks? If they are any…they are just muslims, and the rest of india (about 98% which consists of non-muslims) would prefer them not being there.

markccu on July 21, 2007 at 7:49 pm

steve ventry,
Everything you said is true. What does America do about it? And you’re right, we don’t need to try to get people to like us, it’s never going to happen, not with the people that hate this country.

TheAwakenedOne on July 22, 2007 at 3:29 am

‘Awakened’, we’re doomed. Whites are successful, generally because of low-birth rates, a high median age, and organizational and technological superiority. Our affluence makes us feel guilty, which leads to naive feelings of anti-racism and ‘fairness’. Other groups are still hungry and only concern themselves with promoting their race and having lots of babies.
It’s an inescapable cycle of success, guilt, and self-immolation. Believe me, 70% of Whites will attack you far faster than any non-White for wanting to preserve the White race. In the back of their minds, there is a pat on the head waiting for them someday for being a good, little anti-racist. I know, because that’s what used to motivate me to be a self-flagellating do-gooder. I was taught by TV and movies to ignore my race, and to apologize for it. Well, no other race or group on Earth is ignoring their own well-being or apologizing for THEIR people, just us. And your fellow Whites have been trained to be attack dogs against any signs of White awareness, let alone self-preservation. This must be what happened to the Romans as they stood by and watched barbarians flood into Rome.
I’m trying to leave this poor girl’s website alone now, and quit ranting. It’s just making me crazy, and nobody wants to listen to people like me. Buy gold and silver but DON’T TELL ANYBODY http://www.bulliondirect.com/catalog/selectProducts.do?category=1 and buy CCJ (uranian) and VGENX (coal, oil, gas) and buy corn, soybeans, and cotton in a commodities fund, I’m still trying to find a good one. Move away from the cities and learn to grow corn and have a few chickens. If this really is Peak Oil, and I’m sure it is, you’re going to need to grow a lot of your own food. The cities will empty out, they will be unworkable with extremely scarce energy. Don’t buy a lot of land, just half an acre, if there’s a crash land will be incredibly cheap after everyone defaults and the currency crashes. In a crash you want gold and silver while everyone’s real estate and currency have collapsed, then you go shopping for land. Enjoy watching the collapse, we live in interesting times.

steve ventry on July 22, 2007 at 12:56 pm

I just wish our government would close the borders permanently – ship all muslims out – and find and deport all illegals. I know, I am a dreamer! But I can hope.

redtop on July 22, 2007 at 2:44 pm

“I just wish our government would close the borders permanently – ship all muslims out – and find and deport all illegals. I know, I am a dreamer! But I can hope.”
You know. “We the people” have something to do with that. However I guess that we have become fat, dumb and happy and willingly will support our own demise. Being destroyed from within.

AlturaCt on July 22, 2007 at 2:48 pm

Debbie,
I wish you actually took the time to investigate things before writting such an article. Our company is not bringing anyone over on an H1(b) visa. We are applying to an L1 – intercompany transfer. We have applied to the INS like all company’s and they can approve or deny our applications.
On a more political level I think you are not seeing the forest through the trees here. On balance because of this action we are bringing more jobs back to the US by 3x (translate as hiring more US citizens) than the small 7 folks we have to transfer here from our India office. However, in order to create the least disruption our ability to bring these 7 folks here is key to our ability to bring 21 more jobs to the US.
In any event, next time call me before you write so a least you get the type of visa right.

Munjal Shah on July 22, 2007 at 3:32 pm

Debbie – my further comments here.
http://munjal.typepad.com/recognizing_deven/2007/07/debbie-schlusse.html
I am very proud to be able to bring jobs to the US and think the cost of 7 L1 transfers to be a small immigration price to create 21 more jobs for US citizens here. You can read more about my thoughts at the link above (for some reason your blog doesn’t allow trackbacks).

Munjal Shah on July 22, 2007 at 3:43 pm

Munjal Shah said:
“I am very proud to be able to bring jobs to the US and think the cost of 7 L1 transfers to be a small immigration price to create 21 more jobs for US citizens here.”
Actually, I think you are trying to cover your ass Mr. Shah before ICE or some other Federal agency starts an investigation.
A small price to pay?
The sad thing is you went offshore and more than likely fired all your American workers before you left and now you are coming back to the good old USA bringing foreign workers with you that more than likely cost you less than willing American workers.
Yea, maybe what you are doing is legal by the letter of the law but it is disgusting that Corporations like your’s feel no obligation to America that allowed your success in the first place.
I for one wish Congress would place heavy tariffs on US corporations that try and offshore so that it will not be profitable to relocate to the slave labor camps in China and other third world countries.
In addition, the VAT tax needs to be applied to companies that leave the USA to exploit cheap labor.
Congress has been selling out Americans by issuing H1B visas and your company is a perfect example of why it is all a scam to boost the bottom line, more than likely boosting the CEO pay, at the expense of American workers.
What ever happened to loyalty and pride in ones country?

ScottyDog on July 22, 2007 at 5:06 pm

Munjal Shah said:
“I am very proud to be able to bring jobs to the US and think the cost of 7 L1 transfers to be a small immigration price to create 21 more jobs for US citizens here.”
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
This is hilarious! I made one of the earlier comments saying that there’s really nothing that can be done about Shaw’s use of H-1b, but then he comes on here and says he’s using L1. I believe they are cracking down on L1 more than H-1b, becaue L1′s have no limit.
Scum like Shaw have been stepping on the people who gave them peace and freedom, and then have the nerve to say that the jobs lost are a ‘small price to pay’. Well, lots of small prices add up to a very big price, and hopefully shaw will learn that firsthand.

JamesK on July 23, 2007 at 8:36 am

Ever notice how these pro-globalist/pro-H-1b/L1 people always tell you that ‘it’s best for you’?
Ever been in a small legal dispute? Ever notice how the scoundrels you’re in dispute with try to give you ‘free legal advice, just to save you trouble?’

JamesK on July 23, 2007 at 8:40 am

Ever notice how these pro-globalist/pro-H-1b/L1 people always tell you that ‘it’s best for you’?
Ha! 3 for 1 – what a deal.
I imagine a 50ish yo guy with a checkered wide lapeled sport coat and a mustache. “This car was only driven by a little old lady. Been just sitting in the garage and maintained regularly. Normally this would sell for $30,000 but just FOR YOU and today only $29,999.”

AlturaCt on July 23, 2007 at 12:05 pm

Nothing new. In 1989 I was laid off from a firm in Glenview, Illinois (Chicago area). I signed up for unemployment in Arlington Heights was told no jobs available. I guess no need for electrical engineers in Chicago area. When I asked about jobs throughout the US listed on computer I was told, “not available”. TRANSLATION: Americans need not apply. No Americans qualifies. Wait minimum time required by law and hire foreign job applicant already identified.

Burt on July 23, 2007 at 4:27 pm

Hey Debbie:
Quote “Azhar Khan [Muslim VP Engineering]“. I am surprised that being a jewish woman, you are doing the same thing that was done to the jews 60 years ago.
I want stricter immigration laws, however, your statement is no different from Hitler saying “These f***ing jews have taken our jobs. We need them out of the country”. And guess what, he did just that.
If you are a racist against Muslims, you really should be comfortable with anti-semetic behavior from others, because what goes around comes around.
Oh… and if you do have the balls, don’t just cancel this post. At least I will know that you believe in free speech.
- A concerned american…
VERY INTERESTING, SINCE HITLER HAD A SPECIAL MUSLIM DIVISION OF THE SS. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THAT? OR THE MEETING THE GRAND MUFTI OF JERUSALEM HAD TO TRY TO CONVINCE HITLER TO FINISH THE FINAL SOLUTION MORE QUICKLY AND TO BRING IT TO THE MID-EAST? YOU ARE QUITE IGNORANT. THE MUSLIMS ARE THE NAZIS OF TODAY, NOT THE VICTIMS. WHO IS ROUNDING UP MUSLIMS AND SENDING THEM TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS?
AND HOW MANY JEWS FLEW PLANES INTO AMERICAN BUILDINGS, MURDERING 3,000 AMERICANS? HOW MANY JEWS PLOTTED TO KILLS “AS MANY SOLDIERS AS POSSIBLE” AT FORT DIX? HOW MANY PLOTTED TO BLOW UP JFK AIRPORT? HOW MANY JEWS BLEW UP TWO U.S. EMBASSIES IN EAST AFRICA? HOW MANY JEWS MURDERED 300 U.S. MARINES AND CIVILIANS WHILE THEY SLEPT AND/OR WORKED AT U.S. EMBASSIES? HOW MANY? I WISH I COULD COMPARE YOU TO SOMETHING IN THE PAST. BUT UNFORTUNATELY IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY ARE TIMELESS PHENOMENON NOT UNIQUE TO ANY ERA. SADLY, WHILE IN HITLER’S ERA, WE HAD FAR LESS OF IGNORAMUSES LIKE YOURSELF, THERE IS NO SHORTAGE NOW. IF ONLY YOU TRULY WERE A “CONCERNED AMERICAN” AS YOU CLAIM.
OH, AND BY THE WAY, ISLAM ISN’T A RACE. IT IS, THOUGH, A CULTISH THEOLOGY THAT RESULTS IN DEATHS OF THOUSANDS.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Paul SK on July 23, 2007 at 5:42 pm

Steve,
You are depressing me!!!
It is true that when you are busy surviving you do not have enough time to evolve spiritually,so it only makes sense that people that only think to preserve their own race and themselves are not as evolved as those that respect and honor other races. The trick is honoring your race as well as other ones, recognizing the positive strengths that each brings to the table(some do not bring much to the table)and try not to destroy the good. Sometimes when you despise the other race you destroy your own in the process.
This is not to say that just because they are more advanced that their race will survive. I think it’s just the opposite.
I,personally have never and never plan to hurt or mistreat anyone and do not feel guilty about anything. I have no ancestors that were slave owners and have never been given anything,I’ve earned every single thing I have.
Also, Steve, when you talk about preserving the white race, I wonder if you are meaning our way of life here in the USA as it is today or has been for the past few decades. This way of life does include other races. It does, however,have a lot of Judeo-Christian values.
Anyway, thanks for the investment advice.

TheAwakenedOne on July 23, 2007 at 6:19 pm

Paul,
I think that the message of this post is not meant specifically for Muslims, it’s for all the employers with the “Americans need not apply”attitude. Try doing that in any other country and see what happens.

TheAwakenedOne on July 23, 2007 at 6:28 pm

“If you are a racist against Muslims, you really should be comfortable with anti-semetic behavior from others, because what goes around comes around.”
Muslim is a “race”?

AlturaCt on July 23, 2007 at 9:18 pm

Debbie:
Please dont call me ignorant just because I don’t agree with your tactics.
I don’t condone any of the acts of violence that is being perpetrated by the fanatic muslims. They have created real terror in this world and this has to be dealt with firmly. And I do agree with what Bush is doing. You have to weed out terror at the roots. There is no diplomatic way to solve this.
However, you are no different than a Muslim cleric in Iraq preaching hatred. They personally don’t pull the trigger, however, there are enough crazy people that listen to their speeches on hatred and act on it against innocent people.
All you need is one crazy fellow reading your post and killing a few people that may have looked different from them in their community.
Maybe that is what you are hoping for. But who am I to judge. I am the ignorant one.

Paul SK on July 24, 2007 at 2:41 pm

Looks like you have blocked my post. Great job…

Paul SK on July 24, 2007 at 3:13 pm

Debbie, I respect your views on immigration although I don’t completely agree. While its important that American jobs aren’t sucked out of our country, it’s also important that the diverse American fabric continues to flourish. Remember, this country was built by immigrants. If we can attract the best talent to the United States, it benefits all of us. The number of American companies and corresponding American jobs created by these talented immigrants is staggering. Intel, a leading American company which employs thousands of Americans, was created by a Jewish Hungarian immigrant. One of Google’s founders is Russian. I can go on. Americans benefit from this immigration. We give equal opportunity for every American to achieve the American Dream.
This is why I was puzzled by your explicit reference to a “Muslim VP”. It has nothing to do with you central argument, but it does show that you have biggotted views. I will argue that it is un-American to be racist and biggotted. You do more damage than the company you describe which is bringing foreign talent into our diverse fabric.
I was saddened to see the other comments supporting hateful views. They are naive and ignorant. You cannot *ever* stereotype any group of people based on religion, color, ethnic background or gender.
Americans who feel they are losing out on opportunities because of foreign workers should wake up, get off their butts, and compete. It’s a global economy and our country will continue to prevail only as long as we continue to be the best, most efficient and competitive (this includes competitive in prices). Using immigration as a crutch is an argument for with weak who can’t compete on their own merit.

The Q on July 26, 2007 at 2:38 am

Jamesk, RUFK? You are a disgrace to be called an person of Indian origin.
Who taught you to treat all Muslims as Pakis? There are 15% Indians who are muslims and most of them are proud to be Indians rather than pakis.

wtf on September 18, 2007 at 1:55 am

Debbie, heard of company called BTM started by Faisal Hoque running a company in US, had outsourced to some indian company, closed that deal and restarted in US? What if he is a Muslim; religion does not change much. End of the day all it matters is whether he is contributing to the betterment of the society and country. He has done it.
How many muslim employees are there in US who work for Fortune 500 compaines? Its approximately 10%. Do you mean to say all are bad apples?

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So much hue and cry by for american jobs, whereas all the American MNC’s including IBM is making money in India…American MNC’s make more money from their non-US operations and globalization has benefited them the most, so why this chest beating??

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