July 23, 2007, - 11:24 am

Their Legacy: Race Riots Doomed Detroit Forever

By Debbie Schlussel
Forty years ago today, several days of race riots began in Detroit.
On July 23, 1967, Black Panthers and assorted other Black extremists (with White hippies and far-leftists backing and encouraging them) eventually wrote their political epitaphs with it (though their movement unfortunately died a long, slow death–far past its time, if there ever was a time). But they robbed and killed Detroit–and a significant portion of Black America with it.
Black Panthers and their radical allies, supported by a thousands of Black Detroiters, rioted for days, starting fires and destroying the city. They wanted more power in the city. They wanted a Black Mayor, a Black police chief, a Black city council.
Scenes from the Detroit Race Riots of 1967 . . .

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Detroit Black Panthers

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Today, they have all those things. And they have nothing. They won the riots, they lost the war. And 43 people died–no, were murdered–in vain (along with countless others since).
As my Dad says, when the riots began, Gentile, White Detroiters ran out to buy bullets. Jews ran out to buy guns (way too late). But eventually, they all ran out–and away–from Detroit. Today, more than nine out of ten Detroiters are Black. And even Blacks are leaving the Detroit morass faster than Roger Bannister. The city is losing population by the tens of thousands, every year. Black Americans, like White Americans, don’t want to live in the crime, failed schools, and other living conditions brought to you by the Detroit riots. Crime under Detroit’s Black police chiefs (the city has had several) is at an all-time high, and Detroit Public Schools, under its Black superintendents and school boards (there have been several of those, too), are at their worst, with record high drop-out rates and numbers of illiterate graduates.
When Black radicals started the riots, they achieved their goal of driving out White Detroiters, but their separatism only isolated them. Unlike every other inner city in America, Detroit is not a tourist destination. It’s not a place where suburbanites generally clamor to go to nightclubs and restaurants. It’s simply too dangerous.
The violence and destruction of the riots never really went away, just the press coverage of it. Such prominent figures as the son of former Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer and the daughter of Detroit Tigers/Red Wings owner Mike Ilitch have been mugged.
During the Superbowl, with thousands of FBI and Homeland Security agents roaming around, there were two murders in the vicinity of the temporary bars and restaurants dotting the main drag of Woodward Avenue. I say “temporary” because that’s what they were. Despite all the moving around of cranes to make it look like something–anything!–positive was going on in the city, Detroit Superbowl Committee personnel had to lease out shops, restaurants, and bars on 7-day leases. Any more than that, and they couldn’t convince anyone to do business on the normally abandoned streets.
Crime is rampant, the city can’t attract a major business, and the banana republicans on the city council junta are busy passing resolutions to name a tunnel after John Conyers, declaring Dubai a sister city of Detroit, and maintaining Sanctuary City status for illegal aliens. Monica Conyers (wife of the radical Congressman) is symbolic of the city council. Drunk and in fist fights at bars, she’s a mess. And so is her legislative body and the city it governs.
With a pimp daddy mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, who dresses like a Gangsta and is involved in scandal after scandal, the city is the laughing stock. But, hey, the Mayor made an appearance on “Living Large,” a now-cancelled national hip-hop show. Thank you very little. Kilpatrick, whom I like to call Kwame the Kingpin, was suspected in the drivebuy shooting of “Strawberry,” a stripper who allegedly performed in the Mayoral Manoogian Mansion for “His Honor.” He used his 21-bodyguard posse of police officers to serve as his personal harem-recruiter and to ferret him to and from different girlfriends.
These are the people who betrayed Blacks in Detroit, not the Whites who took White flight (followed by Black flight) from the city and gave them free reign to “run” the city . . . and fail magnificently. And, yet, they still blame even this on the White man.
Is it any surprise with “leadership” like this that the city is a ruin much used by Director Michael Bay as a set for movies? With the city a ghost town, even at lunchtime, he has a cornucopia of empty, decrepit, vandalized buildings–once grand palaces of business and industry–to choose from. And he doesn’t have to deal with much traffic–by foot or car–interrupting his shoots.
Instead, Detroit is a burnt out shell. It is the only inner city in America that has not undergone a revival, a gentrification (even Cleveland–the former “Mistake on the Lake”–was reborn). While some of that can be attributed to recent, never-ending downturns in the auto industry, this is a phenomenon that has metastasized throughout the city, even when Ford, GM, and Chrysler were at their height. Now, that they, too, are on the unreclaimable decline, it only helps solidiy Detroit’s rigor mortis.
Drive down the Lodge Freeway, the main artery from Detroit’s Northwest suburbs into the city, and you will see burnt out house after burnt out house dotting the freeway. All of them are in Detroit, and all of them–in their burnt out “splendor”–have sat vacant and ashen for years.
Ten years ago, when I was sworn in to practice before U.S. District Court, my father took me to lunch. We walked down the streets of downtown Detroit on a beautiful spring day, but there was hardly a soul as far as the eye could see. Ten years later, nothing has changed. It’s only gotten worse.
Detroit is in the worst condition of any major city in America, except perhaps New Orleans, and that took a hurricane, an act of G-d. Three weeks ago, A&P-owned Farmer Jack–the last national supermarket in Detroit, the last large national retailer in the city–closed its doors and said Sayonara to the environs South of Eight Mile.
This is the legacy of the Detroit riots. And despite all the Detroit newspaper and media hype that those days are over, their legacy has only just begun.
To the last Black Panther leaving Detroit: Don’t forget to turn out the lights. And start your usual fires, in their place.
Osama Bin Laden has a better chance of getting elected President than Detroit has of arising from the dead.
As Mark Twain might say, reports of its rebirth are highly exaggerated.

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“Ten years ago, when I was sworn in to practice before U.S. District Court, my father took me to lunch. We walked down the streets of downtown Detroit on a beautiful spring day, but there was hardly a soul as far as the eye could see.”
Consider yourself lucky you were alone in the streets. The kind of “souls” you usually encounter in Detroit are not the kind you want to deal with under any circumstances.
BTW, is the Greektown still alive over there?

Witch-king of Angmar on July 23, 2007 at 12:41 pm

Debbie,
It should come as no surprise that Detroit has fallen on hard times. At the risk of sounding racist, what else could be expected of an elected body “of color”? Thanks to generous support from the feds Detroit exists on life-support. No on in their right mind would ever start up a business.

Chuck W on July 23, 2007 at 12:53 pm

Thank you for this most important post. It explodes a gap in our popular cultural memory of that era.
(It’s also part of a larger debate about the inefficacy of the “Great Society” federal legal and welfare reforms.)

Jeremiah on July 23, 2007 at 12:59 pm

Great article, Debbie! Lieberals say that poverty creates crime, but crime also creates poverty. To bring about a rebirth in Detroit they need to crack down on street crime. Crime drives out all productive life. Only the barbarians are left to feed on the weak. The Left and black nationalist politicians will never do it. Unfortunately, too many urban centers in the U.S. are turning into little Turd World countries. God help America.

FreethinkerNY on July 23, 2007 at 1:15 pm

Excellent retrospective on the Detroit (and U.S.) urban disease and the utter incompetence of Americans to face it and fix it. We know that the pc Democrats are too dishonest and the pc Republicans too cowardly to deal with the derelict demographic, especially when the misfits are non-white (which they so often are.)
By the way, when it’s turn comes to manage the race card playing psychopaths and sociopaths, do you think the Day of Islam will prove as feckless and fearful as White America?

gringoman on July 23, 2007 at 1:31 pm

It does sound like New Orleans. Yes, we avoided the race riots, but we could not avoid the white flight, the deterioration of our school system, black middle class flight, etc.
In trying to find something good out of all of the bad that happened to us, I thought that maybe New Orleans could have a fresh start. Well, that hope was destroyed when they allowed New Orleans refugees, many who have chosen not to come back, to vote in the Mayor’s race. Guess what happened? Nagin – once again a vote for no leadership.
It will take a hard look at ourselves both black and white to turn things around in these cities. Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening. The Great Society helped to dumb down and lose a few generations of people. No politician can honestly grapple that monster. The politician/slaveholder wins because he throws a few crumbs to people who have been so devestated by this system that merely enables them to exist. It’s a vicious cycle.

Five on July 23, 2007 at 1:46 pm

When I visited Detroit a few years ago, I saw empty building after empty building. A large Nike sports ad (Barry Sanders?) covered one abandoned building.
And then I saw a government-sponsored poster: “Say Nice Things About Detroit.”
Hope you’re feeling better, Debbie.

barrypopik on July 23, 2007 at 1:47 pm

Your post starts well, but as you stay committed to stating that all of the city is an unlivable mess it loses focus. Frankly, your stating that there is no one downtown is a bit of a stretch. There’s plenty of people downtown during work hours, and I don’t see how you can state that there isn’t. The problem has been getting a population downtown that actually lives there and doesn’t just leave at 5pm. But it seems to me in that way the entire downtown area enclosed by the Lodge, Chrysler, and Fisher freeways is developing nicely– despite your protestations. The new condo developments aren’t going unsold, they’re being bought by affluent suburbanites. Is the rest of the city a warzone? Yeah, pretty much, other than a few scattered neighborhoods. But I don’t think minimizing changes that have been made downtown helps your point.

stormhit on July 23, 2007 at 1:56 pm

Here in California the idea of vacant houses is hard to grasp. So also abandoned buildings.

Walter E. Wallis on July 23, 2007 at 2:03 pm

Debbie,
I vaguely recall reading about a street on the border of Detroit. One side has businesses. The other was vacant. Some taxation boundaries were a cause, or perhaps it was insurance, with the zip code on the Detroit side assessed a higher rate than the other side of the street.
Do you have any insight or links to the tax policies of Detroit?
Thanks. Great article.

dm60462 on July 23, 2007 at 2:04 pm

I wouldn’t put even an ounce of blame for Detroit’s inability to revive itself on the auto industry. Pittsburgh suffered devastating losses in the steel industry and was still able to revitalize its downtown. Detroit can only blame Detroit.

Candy Slice on July 23, 2007 at 2:06 pm

No doubt there is a history that has contributed to Detroit’s current plight. Nope, it cannot be minimized. Yet, that is no excuse. A previous poster, or two, commented on sections of the city that are in fact improving.
My position is that it is the current municipal leadership that is to blame.
Difficult situations require bold clear objectives set forth by a leader who can lay out an agenda that allows the people to see past their current circumstances and to a brighter future. No sugar coating, no tap dancing, just the hard honest truth.
What do you want and what are you prepared to give to get it? Ressurect Detroit? It will require time, effort and sacrifice. You are either with the program or, just get out of the way.
Tell your Kwame he has to get positively ‘Guiliani’ on his citizens.

zyzzyg on July 23, 2007 at 2:32 pm

When I moved up to Buffalo in ’81 there was a city population of around two million. When I came back in ’03 about three hundred fifty thousand people had disappeared. Were’d everybody go? As someone mentioned up this line about the difference between one side of the street and the other says a lot. They moved across the street, they’re still in the Philadelphia area. The mayor said a few years ago that the “brothas and sistas were in charge here” Though I’ve been back since June ’03 to me the first few minutes of the news is still a jaw dropping experience I’m still not used to, everyday they shoot each other. They can’t have high-rise city housing, they were torn down and replaced with town-house city housing. Yet, in other parts of town people pay top dollar to live fifty and sixty stories above the city. Could never understand why one group can and another group can’t. A lot of employers prefer legal or illegal workers because they show up everyday and don’t give you attitude. Ask those in jail why they’re there and they’ll tell there are no jobs yet we have twelve million that have tripped over themselves to enter illegally to get a job. I understand illegals tend to drive down wages but it started somewhere. The immigrant shows up five and six days a week so the employer in effect is spending more. So maybe by the day the wage is lower but one shows up three days a week and the other shows up for six, just like the employer. What’s left in some parts of town are a bunch of baby daddy grabbing themselves like a bunch of two year olds that have to go to the bathroom in baggy pants making themselves look as though they took a dump in their diaper. Don’t tell them, the police prefer that style, they’re difficult to run in, makes it easier to catch them. It’s nice in Center City, what we call downtown and it’s very safe but one can’t feel that they’ve become a negro cigarette dispensing machine. Even living up in Buffalo with reservations all around they never had cigarettes. Someone else up this thread mentioned New Orleans. AMTRAK offered trains that were refused and the buses sat in water. Couldn’t get the (peoples) out of town. Kind of makes you wonder if there was a thought of as soon as they’re gone, we’ll loot. Screwed up on that one. But wasn’t it interesting that the mayor was able to send the buses out to Dallas, Houston and Atlanta to collect them to bring them back for one day to vote. 60 Minites did a story about the Vietnamese immigrant population that has completely rebuilt their part of town. How’s things going in the choclate part of town? Oh, they’re still waiting in Dallas, Houston and Atlanta. Crime sky rocketed in Houston. But, they locked them up there. A former mayor we had said he’s going to lock up all the crimminals. They called him a racist. He didn’t say he’s going to lock up all the blacks, just the crimminals. He’s a racist. Guilliani did the stop and seize, I think that’s what it was called. They screamed racism. Got rid of the guns. A mayoral candidate named Nutter promises he’ll do the same if elected mayor. They’re desperately trying to figure a way to call him a racist. They’re not quite sure how to do it, he’s black. Film at eleven.

John Cunningham on July 23, 2007 at 5:51 pm

What tripe. The city was already failing before the riots. 500,000 whites left the city between 1950 and 1967. In the 1950’s 30% of manufacturing jobs left Detroit, Hamtramack, and Highland park (all riot areas). Black unemployment was over 25%.
The problem with Detroit is that it was abandoned….and it started well before the 1967 riots.

deputy on July 23, 2007 at 8:24 pm

I have two comments on the riot, and perhaps I can get corrected.
The first comment is really a question about whether the National Guard was late being mobilized during the riots in comparison to other riots of the era.
The second comment is questioning if the riots were really the end or the beginning of the end. From what I’ve been told, Detroit’s decay was still quite reversible up until the mid 70’s. And the final death blow was really the election of Coleman Young.

jpm100 on July 23, 2007 at 9:14 pm

“And, yet, they still blame even this on the White man”
Not just about Detroit either. Every ill they have is because of the white man.
While Detroit and NO are the worst they are not alone. Baltimore, Wash DC, Philly, Atlanta, E St Louis, LA, Houston just to name a few more. Rampant crime and thuggery. Whole large sections of just about city of size that are not safe at any time of day but particularly at night.

AlturaCt on July 23, 2007 at 11:29 pm

Debbie: I wish you would move away from Michigan. I spent 2 years at MSU in the early 70’s. Even then it was overrun with Arabs.
Regarding Philadelphia–when all the major cities were rioting, Phila didn’t. Why? The Bambino, Frank Rizzo. He gave the cops orders to shoot to kill. The good old days.

lexi on July 24, 2007 at 12:41 am

According to this 2005 report…
http://www.tedconline.com/uploads/DMCVB_June_Final_Report.pdf
…crime in downtown Detroit is 26% below the national average.

No Pasaran! on July 24, 2007 at 7:05 am

I must live in a vacuum. I did not realize all this. Thanks to all for more enlightenment.
“Can’t We All Just Get Along”
Now that I remember.

Diego on July 24, 2007 at 7:33 am

I was in Baltimore during the riots, which, really weren’t too bad, but it did take a while for some areas to come back, and some never did. I suggest all of you read “Homocide, Life on the Streets” by David Simon, to get a feeling for the place.
Despite all that, the town did come back, even with a lot of the industry gone. I think a lot had to do with the ethos of the people. It is very much a ‘Brown Town’, but it went in a much different way, than Detroit and other places.

taffy on July 24, 2007 at 7:43 am

lexi, in July ’67 I was 19 and at Advanced Infantry at Fort Jackson and then in RVN by Sep. Being in the military you’re kind of insulated from all that civil unrest at that time. We heard about it, but, it was just background noise. At that time Frank was probably Police Chief. But, the mayoral candidate I referred to was he, he’s the one they called a racist because he said he’s going to lock up all the crimminals. By that time it would have been the ’70s. A morning talk show host we have here in Philadelphia, a Michael Smerconish worked for him while he was running for mayor. Lucky bastard, we all just heard about Frank, he worked for him. He did about a half hour, I think Friday, the anniversary of Mayor Rizzo’s death. He had his son on and they reminist. His son’s on the City Council. They have one of those big Rocky statues of the Mayor across the street from City Hall, that big building you may have seen that has William Penn standing on top. If the guy I referred to, Nutter, is successful they may put a statue of him next to Frank. I do wish Nutter would get off the backs of smokers, though, when you step out for a cigarette, that’s when one becomes that cigarette vending machine. Oh, well.

John Cunningham on July 24, 2007 at 7:51 am

Excellent piece, Debbie. Now I know why we never hear about Detroit in the leftist-“liberal” news media.
My guess is that Washington D.C. would be in just about the same condition by now, and for much the same reasons, if it were not being kept afloat by an unlimited supply of taxpayer dollars.

Niall on July 24, 2007 at 11:18 am

What makes all this doubly sad is that Detroit was once one of the finest cities in the world. In the mid 1920’s it was the Silicon Valley of its day. Even before the automobile industry came along at the turn of the century it was already extremely properous. By the 1920’s it had the highest percapita income, the highest percapita property values and the highest percentage of home ownership of any city in the world. Opportunities abounded and millionaires were being created every day. It had some of the finest homes, offices, stores, neighborhoods, parks, commercial buildings, etc. in the world. Fabulous buildings were built during the ’10s and ’20s such as the main and branch libraries, Detroit Institute of Arts, GM and Fisher Buildings, theaters, Orchestra Hall, etc. Even up into the 1950’s it was still a great city and in the 1950’s its population peaked at about 1.85 million. Now its population, at under 900,000, is lower than it was in 1920. JL Hudson at one time was the largest department store in the world, bigger even than Macy’s and Harrod’s. Belle Isle was considered one of the finest parks in the country. Up to about 1960 Detroit had one of the finest school systems in the country. I could go on and on but I think the reader will get my point. Knowing what a fabulous city Detroit once was emphasizes the tragedy it has become. Wally

Wally on July 24, 2007 at 11:23 am

    This is my heartbreak as well. When I tell people that for all sides of my family & my husband’s family, Detroit was a giant beacon, I get the DETROIT?! MI?
    Hard to believe but my grandfather was born a share cropper in eastern Kentucky (white share cropper also makes for ???) My grandmother was born on a subsistence farm in western Kentucky. The depression drove them to Detroit, where a man who wanted to work hard could usually find a place to work. It was wonderful there, to them. They met,married & had their family in Detroit & it was a good place to be.
    My father’s family were immigrants from Germany, Ukraine Russia. My husband’s family were immigrants from Poland. All of them couldn’t believe the grandeur of the city buildings & the fine homes. Belle Ile was amazing! My husband & I would visit to take pictures of the beautiful buildings. I wish everyone could know how the city was (& what it meant) to understand just how far it has come.

    aformerdetroiter on July 19, 2013 at 4:40 pm

I checked out that crime report link (tedconline.com). The report there was created for the Detroit Metro Convention & Visitors Bureau by somebody at Wayne State (which makes me question its validity on both ends). Both the VB and Wayne State (located in Detroit) have a vested interest in created a positive image of Detroit.
Just using a site that has no reason to be biased for or against Detroit (bestplaces.net), I compared Detroit’s FBI crime rates with Philadelphia and NYC… Detroit lists a higher crime rate than both (and all three are far and above the national average).
The Wayne State study used Detroit PD numbers while the independent site uses the FBI stats. Having worked in College/University PR for over 10 years, I can tell you that “crime statistics” can and will be manipulated every which way they can to create a sense of safety for students and parents. You cannot read the Wayne State study without recognizing its bias.
IOW – The study you linked in not independent.

bleechers on July 24, 2007 at 11:41 am

Furthermore… the report is hosted by the “Tourism Economic Development Council Web Site.” (Thus TEDConline.com)
FROM THE SITE: “The Tourism Economic Development Council leads and directs programs to make metro Detroit a competitive tourism destination.”
Again, the report linked is simply not reliable as it is clearly not from an independent source.

bleechers on July 24, 2007 at 11:47 am

OK you have started a politically incorrect comment thread I’ll work with this :-)
Born in 1945 in Detroit believe at or not white at 12th and Warren.
We thought nothing of going to the park at Forest and Grand River.
It even had a LIBRARY!!
and a playground!!
It was safe and clean.
We moved up and moved to the area of Mackenzie HS
By the time I went there the thugs (1963) had moved in after a fractured skull from a bicycle chain with lock I moved to LA to stay to stay with my sister.
Why doesn’t anybody mention that the Detroit experience is one of DIASPORIA?
All the childhood friends I ever had are gone!!
HERE AND THERE THEY ARE GONE.
I have only been back twice once for my dad and once for my mother.
And the old home was all trashed.
Living large in Dallas area now with one daughter a Dentist and one a Lawyer
And Detroit can go to hell ( I think it’s already
there)

Detroit lost on July 24, 2007 at 11:48 am

The U of M Architectural Bookstore has a faculty penned publication titled “Stalking Detroit”….It is pretty much a definitive study on why Detroit ended up the way it did, and how inevitable it really was. The riots only contributed to the eventual emptying, but were not the root cause. For those who will probably never get this book, the root cause was the “factory town” created by the Highland Park plants, and the surrounding residential grid. The auto plants succeded wildly and expanded, and grew nationwide, global, eliminating the need for a huge industrial epicenter [Detroit]….after ww2, the freeways, cheap suburban housing, cheap automobiles, there was no compelling reason for Detroit to maintain it’s population density, and the exodus began as a trickle, and like any erosion – it flows more and more as time goes on…..
Detroit is a precursor, and a warning to cities nationwide, and worldwide what can happen when all the eggs are in one basket, and it’s incredible initial success was ironically it’s downfall. Perhaps one can view Detroit the first opening shot in the Globalization war that’s currently reshuffling how things get made/bought on this planet…..Hey, at least we’re first at something!

jokermtb on July 24, 2007 at 1:25 pm

Detroit’s problems may be the result of placing all her eggs in one basket, but most cities go through that. We can analyze the decay of the car industry (partly the fault of the unions) and the resulting decay of Detroit, but that is only a partial analysis.
What’s missing from that conclusion is that there was no one who stood up to reinvent Detroit. All cities go through similar downturns, but they manage to reinvent themselves. Detroit ran off its talent. Detroit did not allow anyone to change the city and the unions kept the automakers from keeping pace. Granted, the execs at the big three are also to blame for a degree of arrogance, but when they did try to catch up, the unions shackled their attempts.
Large population centers with an educated citizenry will ALWAYS invite investment. Detroit didn’t want investment, it wanted revenge on some straw man enemy. And, as leftists never understand, you cannot tax yourself into prosperity.
Similar books could have been written about Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Cleveland and NYC, but those cities found leadership instead of excuses. Detroit doesn’t want to be successful, it merely wants to be a monument to “white racism.” As long as it remains the dump that it is, its leaders can blame GM and whites (and add Jews to that list as the Muslim population grows). There is money to be made and power to be maintained by men and women who have no vision and no talent… they maintain power by blaming straw men… and they have a willing audience (blacks and liberal whites) more than willing to believe them and reward them.

bleechers on July 24, 2007 at 3:10 pm

“We can analyze the decay of the car industry (partly the fault of the unions) and the resulting decay of Detroit, but that is only a partial analysis.”
No, the decline in the Amnerican motor industry was caused by American firms producing shit cars. They were outdated, ugly, unsafe and uncomfortable to drive. The rest of the world worked that out in the 1960’s. When the American car-owners figured that out in the 1980’s, the industry’s fate was sealed.

No Pasaran! on July 24, 2007 at 3:18 pm

You’re just upset because I exposed your crime “stats” to be mere Detroit propaganda. ;)
The auto industry in the US didn’t take the Japanese car industry seriously. If you’ll read my ENTIRE post instead of just the bits convenient for your vitriol, you will note that I placed part of the blame on the execs. However, when they started to make changes in the late 70s the big three were hampered by HUGE union salaries and were crippled by labor agreements that allowed the Japanese to move more efficiently.
The auto industry in the US OUTSIDE of Detroit (TN, OH, AL, SC, etc.) is doing quite well. There are many cars produced in the US today… just not in MI. Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, Saturn, etc. did not invest in Detroit because Detroit would not change. The unions and rust-belt socialism caused automakers to look elsewhere.
As stated, instead of reinventing itself to accomodate the desire of foreign automakers to build plants in the US, Detroit opted for “victim” status. Even US-owned Saturn turned to Tennessee. In these other states, socialism isn’t the overriding philosophy and most are “right-to-work” states.

bleechers on July 24, 2007 at 3:31 pm

It’s a hard life being Canadian. Can you imagine living in a country that has Detroit for a border town?

stevecanuck on July 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm

” However, when they started to make changes in the late 70s the big three were hampered by HUGE union salaries and were crippled by labor agreements that allowed the Japanese to move more efficiently.”
The Auto Industry executives were hampered by being inept, not by the unions. They didn’t believe that the world had moved until it was too late. As for the Unions, I thought it was senior management’s job to manage that process?
Reading this thread I’m reminded of a quote by one of my heroes, Gil Scott-Heron. Talking about those days of riots on America’s streets, he said;
“We didn’t want to be black, we were already black. We just wanted to be Americans.”

No Pasaran! on July 24, 2007 at 3:52 pm

Again, you failed to read my ENTIRE post.
There are many cars built in the US today, they’re just not built in Detroit. As for the unions and “senior management,” you apparently have never dealt with unions. The “process” was pre-determined before the Japanese auto invasion and the Oil Crisis of the early 70s. The unions would not budge and doomed Detroit. You cannot “manage” huge salaries and pension plans (see also: France). When other automakers wanted to bring jobs to America, Detroit and the unions ran them off.
We’ve got plenty of jobs in the auto industry in America in 2007… they’re in TN, AL, SC, OH, etc.

bleechers on July 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Today is Tisha B’Av, the saddest day in Jewish History. The anniversary of the refusal of the Jewish People to ignore the report of the Twelve Scouts and agree to go with Moses to the Promised Land. In the wake of this, G-d decreed on Tisha B’Av 40 years of wandering in the desert instead of an immediate entry into the Land.
the destruction of the First and Second Holy Temples in Jerusalem at the hands of the Babylonians and Romans, respectively;
the failure of the Bar Kokhba uprising in the second century;
the day on which all of Spanish Jewry was to be expelled from the country in 1492; the beginning of World War I in 1917;
the end of legal Jewish residence in Gush Katif, in 2005, as decreed by the Ariel Sharon government.

jmm1966 on July 24, 2007 at 9:56 pm

“Again, you failed to read my ENTIRE post.”
I read your entire post, I chose only to respond to the interesting bits.
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“There are many cars built in the US today, they’re just not built in Detroit. ”
Yes, nobody is disputing that.
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“As for the unions and “senior management,” you apparently have never dealt with unions. ”
Oh, believe me, I have.
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“The “process” was pre-determined before the Japanese auto invasion and the Oil Crisis of the early 70s. The unions would not budge and doomed Detroit.”
Oh come on, that’s weak and you know it is. It is managment’s responsibility to manage, to operate with the hand they are dealt. Detroit failed because it was making poor-quality outdated cars that nobody wanted to buy. Blaming the unions for inept management’s failures just avoids the real issues. Capitalism failed Detroit, not the unions.
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“You cannot “manage” huge salaries and pension plans (see also: France). ”
Oh really?
Just this morning Peugeot/Citroen announced a 60% profit jump.
http://www.rte.ie/business/2007/0725/peugeot.html
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“When other automakers wanted to bring jobs to America, Detroit and the unions ran them off.”
“We’ve got plenty of jobs in the auto industry in America in 2007… they’re in TN, AL, SC, OH, etc.”
Yes and they all have excellent Japanese or European management.
BTW, you don’t think these last two sentences of yours might be a touch mutually exclusive?

No Pasaran! on July 25, 2007 at 4:28 am

Name one nice black city or country. You can’t. And whites should stop blaming themselves for that. Just because there was oppression under White rule doesn’t explain the inability of blacks to build anything worthwhile. The Whites in Africa, besides enforcing segregation, also taught Africans how to grow food and build things, and look what they get for it. They’ve been eliminated from Zimbabwe and now they’re having genocide committed against them in S. Africa. Whites who blame themselves for this are incredibly stupid.

steve ventry on July 25, 2007 at 4:17 pm

The leagacy of lawlessnes and corruption in Detroit can be summed up in two words:
Colman Young

Jerry on July 25, 2007 at 5:03 pm

Read the Wall Street Journal today (July 25) about Liberia, and how depraved the conditions are. Using the streets for bathrooms, piles of human waste absolutely everywhere, constant rape, gangs everywhere, homeless people and children living in cemeteries, overcrowding them and using the bathroom every 5 feet, they literally don’t have $0.08 for public bathrooms, they haven’t had electricity or running water for 15 years…Detroit would be like that if it wasn’t part of a formally White country.

steve ventry on July 26, 2007 at 12:12 am

Sorry, July 23.

steve ventry on July 26, 2007 at 12:15 am

“Name one nice black city or country. You can’t.”
I can, Barbados.
Next question?

No Pasaran! on July 26, 2007 at 3:04 am

Barbados is simply where all the Whites do their banking to get around US and Canadian law, and it’s a tourist stop for Westerners, give me a break. White people throw money at it. It’s nothing but a tax shelter island and a beach. The whole thing is 20 miles across!

steve ventry on July 26, 2007 at 7:50 am

26 actually.
Barbados is anything but a tax haven, it has quite high tax rates.
Are you as clueless about other subjects as you are about this?

No Pasaran! on July 26, 2007 at 8:05 am

http://www.barbados.gov.bb/Docs/OffTaxHavenList.pdf

No Pasaran! on July 26, 2007 at 8:28 am

Pasaran, why do you think Barbados had to negotiate to be removed from OECD’s list of ‘uncooperative tax havens’ in the first place? Because it was historically an uncooperative tax haven!
None of this changes my point that blacks have yet to build anything worthwhile, even with continual assistance from others. I’m sorry that makes you angry at me, but I’m not responsible for it. And I’m not going to pretend that we’re all the same, and that European society didn’t invent and develop 90% or more of our modern civilization. Even if your point was correct, which it isn’t, the existence of Barbados would hardly suffice as evidence of economic, technological, or organizational parity between ‘black’ and ‘white’ societies.

steve ventry on July 26, 2007 at 11:29 pm

“Pasaran, why do you think Barbados had to negotiate to be removed from OECD’s list of ‘uncooperative tax havens’ in the first place? Because it was historically an uncooperative tax haven!”
No, total nonsense, that story says more about State Department than it ever did about Barbados. No other country in the world ever viewed Barnados in that way. Barbados is the world’s third oldest continuous democracy, 350 years and counting. They had a functional democracy when you people were still running around the plains in moccasins and sleeping in wigwams.
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“None of this changes my point that blacks have yet to build anything worthwhile, even with continual assistance from others. I’m sorry that makes you angry at me, but I’m not responsible for it.”
I’m not angry with you, you are way too stupid to be angry with.
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“And I’m not going to pretend that we’re all the same, and that European society didn’t invent and develop 90% or more of our modern civilization.”
Well that depends how you choose to define ‘civilization’.
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“Even if your point was correct, which it isn’t..”
Which it is.
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“… the existence of Barbados would hardly suffice as evidence of economic, technological, or organizational parity between ‘black’ and ‘white’ societies.”
It wasn’t meant to be, because that’s not what you asked for.
You said; (quote:)
“Name one nice black city or country. You can’t.” (unquote).
So I did.
Barbados is a very nice country, I’ve been there many times.
Had you asked for evidence that Afrikans had built anything worth-while I would have given you an entirely different answer. I would have referred you to the West African society that were discovered by early European explorers, who were decades ahead of Europe in their knowledge of mathematics, geometry, and astronomy, I would have pointed to the Ethiopians who were writing poetry 3000 years before Sakespeare was born. I would have pointed to the arhcitecture of Zimbabwe for instance. I could have mentioned the achievements of African Americans who invented Blues, Jazz, Rock ‘n Roll, let alone the elevator, the electric light-bulb, Scotch tape and open-heart surgery. To name but a random sample.
Surely, even one as bigoted as you can see that you can’t colonise a land, rape, murder and enslave millions of their people, consume vast quantities of their natural resources, and then complain that they haven’t built many 8 lane superhighways.
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“The Whites in Africa, besides enforcing segregation, also taught Africans how to grow food and build things, and look what they get for it.”
The above is quite possibly the stupidest single sentence I have ever read on the internet, (and I’ve read some bollocks in my time, believe me). You must be very proud.
I’ve never read a single sentence that was just so wrong, but to keep things short, ponder just this one thing. If the blacks didn’t know how to plant food before the whites taught them, then there wouldn’t have been any Africans around to colonise, now would there? You would have to have been happy colonising a couple of goats and an elephant.

No Pasaran! on July 27, 2007 at 8:10 am

Africans couldn’t nail 2 boards together. Your statements are completely misleading and don’t address the reality. Whites are no more brutal than anybody else, they didn’t victimize Africans any more than Africans victimized others, and the Whites completely dominated the blacks because the blacks were, and still are, technologically and socially challenged. Your points are ridiculous. And Barbados is livable because millions of White people dump gobs of money on it all year round. Without that, Barbados would look like Haiti, another black hellhole.
I am sick of your snotty attitude, too. Talk to somebody else.

steve ventry on July 27, 2007 at 10:19 am

“I am sick of your snotty attitude, too. Talk to somebody else.”
It’s ironic that somebody who accuses a whole race of human beings of being “less than” has the gall to accuse someone else of having a snotty attitude…

JibberJabber on July 27, 2007 at 10:41 am

“Your statements are completely misleading and don’t address the reality.”
This from a man who thinks white people are “having genocide committed against them in S. Africa”(!)
Ha!
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“I am sick of your snotty attitude, too. Talk to somebody else.”
I’ll take that as an admission of defeat on your part.

No Pasaran! on July 27, 2007 at 11:19 am

I moved to the Detroit area 12 years ago. The only times I go South of 8 Mile is to gamble or go to a ball game.
A month ago I took my family to the river walk and have lunch at Hockeytown. Sad how empty the streets are. In retrospect, I can’t believe I took my ‘elderly’ parents (visiting from KY), wife, and two of my four small children there.
Thanks for the article, Debbie.

HeHateJihad on July 28, 2007 at 1:11 am

I agree, blacks do not seem capable, as a collective, to create any form of decent society. It amazes me to still hear lilly white liberals try and to explain to everyone else about poverty, discrimination, historical reasons for this and that,on and on, about the problems that affect black people. They will never come out and state an obvious, and sadly it’s that I do not believe blacks to be capable of creating a good society. Haiti was a crap hole before the earthquake, it will remain one. If South Africa became all black, it could never recover. I’m sorry people, but with our coming depression, things are going to go to hell and reality will be with us. The reality being that blacks, in particular, will become such a nightmare as only the most delusional will try and rationalize all truth away. Many more American cities will become like Detroit, and the fault of deindustrialization will not be the only why.

garth sommer on January 24, 2010 at 7:36 pm

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