February 11, 2010, - 3:24 pm

Beware the Death of Hunting in America

By Debbie Schlussel

As  a religious Jew, I don’t hunt because my religion forbids hunting for sport, and kosher food, by definition, is slaughtered in captivity.  That said, I’m glad my gentile fellow Americans hunt.  And I’m saddened that less and less of them are hunting.  And that the decline in hunting is markedly so among younger Americans.

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America’s Survival Depends on More of This

The implications are bad for America on three fronts:

1)  The strength of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms declines when there are less hunters and, thus, less people interested in preserving the right to private gun ownership;

2) There will be more wild animals out there overrunning us and getting hungry for their own food; and

3) Think they’re not training their kids how to use guns in the Middle East? Think again. They’re training their boys younger and younger on weaponry. And we’re raising a nation of wusses and girlie-men, as we flee masculine activities for boys, like hunting.

Over a year ago, Sports Illustrated did an extensive article on “How the Decline of Hunting is Changing the Natural Order of Predator and Prey,” detailing the dangers this causes us all, with animals getting more and more brave in approaching human habitats as they search for food.  States have to pay men to come in and hunt, in addition to extending hunting season.

This week, the Wall Street Journal had an interesting piece by Chicago writer Mark Yost, “The Outfitters’ Lament:  Too Few Kids with Guns,” on the decline in kids who are hunters.  It’s not a good thing, and he blames it not just on economics, but also the break up of the nuclear family.  Single mothers aren’t exactly big on taking their sons hunting.  That’s generally a father’s domain. The whole situation is sad, and not good for a civilized society. Part of being a civilization is eliminating the threat of the not so civilized, whether that’s the human lack of civilization coming at us from the Muslim world or the animal lack of civilization in the wild. Now, that wild is coming to us. And we must either kill it or die.

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The Eastern Sports & Outdoor Show is a sportsman’s paradise, but one where trouble is brewing.

There were lots of kids here with their families, walking the nearly 300,000 square feet of the State Farm Show Complex. They were checking out the newest fishing lures, gun blinds and camouflage clothing. But many of the outfitters who set up booths at the show and sell mountain-lion stalks in New Mexico, bear hunts in Maine and African safaris are worried that they’re in a dying business.

“Most kids wouldn’t know a deer from a dog,” said Jim Paine of Illinois Trophy Bowhunters, an outfitter in west central Illinois. “It’s sad.”

Indeed, many of the outfitters said that the majority of their clientele are 50-year-old men, a growing number of women, but very few kids. Most pinned the blame on one thing: video games.

“Why are they going to come out and freeze in a blind all day and maybe get one shot when they can sit in their living room and shoot all day long?” asked Brad Bowser, owner of a Linneus, Maine, guide service. . . . Video games are the easy villain, but the problem goes much deeper.

Since the 1920s, more people have lived in cities than on farms. There’s also the stigma of guns. In the 1950s, nearly every high school in New York City had a shooting team. Today, if you brought a gun to school you’d be expelled. Then there’s economics. . . .

Fishing is hurting, too. Tom DePersia, a boat captain from Marshfield, Mass., said that 20 years ago there were what he called “dock rats,” kids who hung out and begged to go out and work the charter boats. Many of them went on to become boat captains and deck hands as adults. Today, Mr. DePersia said, there are no more dock rats. “They’re all at home doing this crap,” he said, moving his thumbs and mimicking a video game controller.

He also blamed broken families. “A 10-year-old kid can go out and play baseball without his dad, but they can’t go hunting or fishing,” he said.

At his booth here, Mr. DePersia runs a continuous videotape of a 17-year-old kid hauling in a 1,000 pound tuna off Cape Cod, but the video is 20 years old. “We just don’t get kids like we used to,” he said.

The outdoor industry is aware of the problem and trying to fix it. Outfitters are offering father-son and father-daughter trips, but with little success.

It’s either the animals or the humans. Us or them. Without hunting, it’ll be only them.

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56 Responses

Its hard work. The predators on our planet seldom bring down a prey animal easily. That’s why they have short lives. Humans used to face the same end as long as man was a hunter. Its sad to see an American ritual disappearing fast from our landscape.

NormanF on February 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm

It is just another sign that the what was will no longer be. You can see that on so many fronts now.

Worry01 on February 11, 2010 at 3:56 pm

In other states I’m sure it’s even more pronounced. But here in Michigan, at least in the areas that me and my friends hunt, there are still a lot of people interested in hunting. State land is especially like a pumpkin patch with all the hunters out waiting for a try at a deer. I went bow hunting for the first time last year and ran into several other hunters out on opening day. Two days in a row of sitting in a tree stand from O-dark thirty to dark is just disheartening. I It wasn’t easy but I wanted to do the thing and will do it again. I admit I felt a little adrenaline when I’d hear a noise coming toward me, that’s the attraction. The sensation of being the predator. Too bad my dad never introduced it to me as a kid, but I eventually was irrestibly drawn to it.

Joe on February 11, 2010 at 4:16 pm

Every few months i see on the news where some kid played with a gun and kills himself or someone else, However that kid normally isn’t a hunter and ether doesn’t have a dad or a dad that doesn’t hunt so has never been taught to Respect a weapon or the proper use of that weapon. Knowledge is power Stupidity kills.

“Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state”. Thomas Jefferson

And i feel that the The 2nd Amendment helps enforce the 10th Amendment,States Rights.

Just peeved on February 11, 2010 at 4:25 pm

As Debbie has been so deligent in pointing out (thank you for that BTW) AMERICA IS RUNNING OUT OF REAL MEN!!! Popular culture mocks the father figure whenever possible, or worse – thru glorifying single motherhood – showing that they think fathers are not necessary for a child’s healthy development. That attitude rubs off on kids (and weak minded “adults”.) Plus with the violent games and TV, kids no longer RESPECT weapons and the damage they can do. My father didn’t need to lock up his guns, as my siblings and I knew their power (as we’d used them on wild game) and CORRECT USE, and we knew not to mishandle them or show them off to friends. FATHERS PLEASE TEACH YOUR BOYS TO BE MEN, AND YOUR GIRLS HOW TO RECOGNIZE REAL ONES! If you hunt, and don’t have kids, take a nephew or niece, or teach your adult neighbors so they can teach their own kids.

Hunting is a thoroughly spiritual and fulfilling experience that I wish every child could have with their father. I thank the Good Lord every day that my father took me to the woods and taught me the art of hunting (and thanking the Lord for what he provides us) – which I WILL be passing to my own children when they are old enough.

Dont Tread On Me on February 11, 2010 at 4:33 pm

Last night, MTV has this stupid show called “My Life”, which has a segment about a young teenage girl being an “aspiring” TV journalist and doing an expose about something horrible: hunting! She was, like, totally turned off by hunting and killing of animals. Wah-wah-wah. It was clearly obvious that MTV is trying to indoctrinate young male and female viewers that hunting is bad.

I await for the day when these young morons are finding themselves without any immediate access to processed and packaged foods from the vending machines or grocery stores, then wail like babies and starve to death without having any idea how to hunt animals in order to eat and survive for another day.

Bobby's Brain on February 11, 2010 at 5:06 pm

I don’t hunt but see in hunters an ally in preserving the wild spaces and prevent total destruction of the habitat of deer, bear, and other native species that bring such joy to someone who identifies with the outdoors. Hunters are on the front line
of keeping our open spaces open and not subject to developer “buy off”.

Tim on February 11, 2010 at 5:18 pm

PS: Does anyone know where I could find the funniest poster ever created by MAD (What Me Worry?) Magazine titled “The Hunter” in which they depict the deer hunter as Rambo with associated 50cal machine gun while standing over a reclined “Bambi”?

Tim on February 11, 2010 at 5:21 pm

I strongly suspect that many young males find hunting a skiddish leaf eater with a rifle to be as boring as I found it to be. My boys spend entirely too much time hunting opponents who shoot back in virtual reality, but at least it’s exciting.

There may be a decline in hunting and tracking skills, but the predatory instincts of the American male are in no danger of disappearing.

The Terrorist's Advocate on February 11, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Yes, I am sure that your “blow-up” people are nice little vegetarians.

    Worry01 on February 11, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    So instead of you making sure your boys get out of house and get some survival instincts by hunting a highly evolved dangerous animal, like a deer, you cosign your boys getting fat and lazy and possibly dying of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. You, sir, are an idiot.

    Deer have acute sense of smell, are faster than greased lightening, can hear like the bionic man, and have a multi pronged stabbing device perched right on top of their innocent little heads called antlers. Elk are larger still and moose are simply gigantic. All of them will ram the life out of you if you stumble across one in the wild during mating season.

    Joe on February 12, 2010 at 11:54 am

If I were a hunter, I would hunt very rarely only for the purpose of eating exotic meat. I would not want to kill animals just for fun and bragging rights.

ramjordan on February 11, 2010 at 7:17 pm

Why is the governmet supressing information regarding the animal involvement in the muslim conspiracy to poison our wells. They poison our wells you know.

Snarf on February 11, 2010 at 8:02 pm

Our 10 and 9 year old sons have been begging my husband to teach them how to hunt. He wants to, but is a football coach…doesn’t have a weekend off during hunting season. It’s sad, it think many dads would love to take the time, but are too busy with other obligations. Hunting isn’t the cheapest way to get meat either!

LifeInaShoe on February 11, 2010 at 8:07 pm

It seems Debbie has been misled by game agencies which consist mostly of hunters who manage game animals for “maximum sustained yield” for the benefit of other hunters. There were no problems like an overabundance of deer before hunting was regulated for the benefit of those who enjoy killing them. Given that only three percent of Americans buy hunting licenses, it is past time to give more consideration to the benefit of ecosystems and those humans who enjoy non-lethal outdoor activities.

Bina on February 11, 2010 at 8:28 pm

“There were no problems like an overabundance of deer before hunting was regulated for the benefit of those who enjoy killing them. Given that only three percent of Americans buy hunting licenses”

Please tell us where you got this information? Do you have any actual sources? Also, hunting occurred long before there was any heavy fish and game management by federal or state governments, so your statement really makes no sense. Also, there are plenty of stories(shall we list them for you?)about areas being overcrowded with deer. Check out Angel Island in California, if you wish. Save your unsupported ramblings for The Daily Kos.

Worry01 on February 11, 2010 at 9:18 pm

1.As a not-so-observant Jew, I still don’t hunt, but I respect those who do. It’s a way of life, a legitimate way of obtaining food, and should be respected as such.
2. Gun safety and proper use of firearm: necessary for nonhunters as well as hunters.People in general should learn this, just as you learn not to drive a car into a crowd or hammer people on the head. Common sense. I don’t do carpentry jobs but I can put a nail in the wall when necessary (and ellicit a beam of pride from my wife). Similarly, the miltary and police are supposed to do the heavy lifting in protecting us, but it’s nice to know that I

Not Ovenready on February 11, 2010 at 10:59 pm

cont’d
but it’s self-assuring to know thatI can can use a gun if needed.

Not Ovenready on February 11, 2010 at 11:01 pm

Death of Hunting? Long overdue and can’t come fast enough. It’s no longer needed, except for making cruelty, maiming and wounding, along with killing, legal. Good (no, make that GREAT) riddance!

Matt Marin on February 11, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    Do you eat meat? If you do, how do you think it arrives at your supermarket or restaurant?

    Worry01 on February 12, 2010 at 3:32 am

I’m glad you know how to differentiate between vegetables and everything else, Matt.

All deers must get borned.

Pinandpuller on February 12, 2010 at 1:50 am

Hunting for food is fine but these pictures of the little Aryan barbarian posing wiht his “trophy” are disgusting. We should take any life with great sorrow.

mk750 on February 12, 2010 at 4:35 am

    Sorry, I was called away before I finished.
    As religious Jews, we believe all living creatures have souls even if they are less evolved so while it’s ok to kill to eat, it should be done in as painless way as possible and not be gloated over. Native Americans apologize to the animal and ask for forgiveness before killing it.
    As for how meat gets to the supermarket, well the killing methods are questionable and so is factory farming but it has been an attempt to be humane.
    For those of you who follow the 7 Laws of Noah, sorry but this is covered there too. Those Seven that are so glibly spouted off have a lot more behind them and need interpreting just as the 613 we follow do.
    There was animal sacrifice in Noah’s day and G-d expects us to be compassionate to the animal in doing it.

    So hunters, aim well and make a clean kill. And for the sake of all that’s decent, stop posing eight year olds with their trophies. It’s not a trophy, it’s a life that no longer is. Teach the kid to weep as he dresses the poor thing.

    mk750 on February 12, 2010 at 4:50 am

      Yeah when the deer are over populated and they are spreading diseases because of it, we’ll all remember mk750 was against raising men to control animal populations and learn to live off the land a little. Enjoy your black angus, fool.

      Joe on February 12, 2010 at 11:59 am

        You are twisting my words, Joe. I didn’t say I was against the hunt. I said I was against the gloating over killing something that was living. It is necessary. I used to live in NJ. about 35 years ago a deer came into our town, crashed thru a plate glass store window trashed the office inside and, I kid you not it was Hartford Insurance, and in panic ran out into a busy street. It was a dangerous situation and the local Keystone Kops didnt’ know what to do. It was terrible for the animal and could have been worse for an unlucky motorist or pedestrian. We’re not talking Bambi’s mom here. It was a buck with a nice set of antlers. I’m all for culling the herd. Just remember Who created that life and what He expects.

        mk750 on February 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    ‘Aryan barbarian’? You have something against blond little boys?

    skzion on February 12, 2010 at 11:54 am

      Not all, I have a couple I call grandsons but just something about that kid and his “trophy.”
      Also I am not the photoshop czar, DTOM, I’m entitled to my opinion just as you are.
      I find it repulsive and not because it’s a kid. Because it’s gloating and excited over death and destruction.

      mk750 on February 14, 2010 at 12:42 pm

While I don’t hunt, I don’t have a problem with those who do. The fees hunter pay supports many wildlife conservation programs, so that is something that has to be considered.

It’s not so much the loss of hunting or the desire to do so, that this article is about. It points to the softening of the American male. Instead of guns and even cowboys and indians. Children are the subject of stupid social programs trying to get girls to stop playing with dolls and boys to stop playing with toy trucks and model airplanes. Yet, the children always go for what they want, girls go for girls’ toys, and boys go for boys’ toys.

Purses, makeup, and pink clothing are being marketed toward men. Why dress a deer you killed out in the wild when you can get a facial? Who says masculinity is about carrying a big gun, when you can carry a man-purse?

Even the military has had to soften the training so as not to “offend” new recruits. Our enemies laugh at this.

John on February 12, 2010 at 8:28 am

Hunting is boring. You sit in a tree stand or a blind and wait for some animal to wander into your sights.

As far as hunting being cruel…I would rather be shot than torn apart by wild dogs. I suspect the deer would make a similar choice as well.

The meat in my supermarket is neatly packaged by Keebler elves who grow it in tanks of nutrient fluids.

The Terrorist's Advocate on February 12, 2010 at 9:30 am

I’m a hunter and fisherman. I only kill animals I eat, period. I don’t kill for trophies.

Truth on February 12, 2010 at 10:18 am

Debbie great post. I see some effeminates have hit the board. Without hunting we wouldn’t have gotten this far in human existence. Hunt baby hunt. We need more hunters. Love to see these people who don’t like hunting go talk to some Native American tribal members? Tell them hunting is bad. Tell them to go live in the woods without their can goods and see how long they last? Tell them to go to Africa or Alaska and tell them to quit hunting? Liberals are so happy living in their bubble they never recognize others can exist without their anal retentive view of the world.

CaliforniaScreaming on February 12, 2010 at 10:54 am

    This will be a first. Bravo to CaliforniaScreaming.

    skzion on February 12, 2010 at 11:58 am

      On second thought … hey Screamer, where have you been when the Muslim shock troops came around here yesterday (continuing today)? You’re awful tough with the gays, but somehow the Muslims get only silence?

      skzion on February 12, 2010 at 12:04 pm

        (Sorry for the grammatical errors.)

        skzion on February 12, 2010 at 12:05 pm

All previously “manly” hobbies etc. are quickly vanishing…

I tried several times to get a cub scout troop going in my area, to no avail. 2 or 3 people show up at organizing meetings.

But all 3 of my boys have their own tool boxes (which they asked for) and all volunteer to help build stuff and work on projects around the house and garage (and I happily let them learn and assist so they will indeed learn valuable skills).

We are also building a large model railroad layout, with each boy having his own “module” he is free to design/decorate however he wants.

And yes, all 3 are being taught gun safety and proper handling and use of firearms. We don’t hunt live animals (being Orthodox Jews), but being Orthodox Jews and knowing our history, we live by the Scout motto “Be Prepared”. And if, God forbid, some catastrophe befalls us and we must “live off the land”, we will be capable of doing so.

Are we some sort of psychotic, right wing, survivalist, gun toting, bible thumping fanatic freaks?? No…we pray for peace and no need to ever have to use weapons against living beings, and we know it’s not “likely” we, living in the USA, will ever need to take up arms or “live off the land”. But ya never know. Our relatives in various “modern, civilized” nations died not believing the worst could ever happen to them.

Doda McCheesle on February 12, 2010 at 11:28 am

My son and daughter were taught at an early age to be proficient with firearms (handguns and rifles)but we live in NH where the State motto is Live Free Or Die!

The Big Cow on February 12, 2010 at 12:30 pm

It’s difficult to get a hunting license!!!

In CT you must first take the 20+ hour long “Firearm Hunting Course” Which involves 16 hours of classroom instruction followed by an exam consisting of 100 questions (must get 80% correct). At which point the hunter must “demonstrate their ability to handle firearms in actual field conditions such as live firing at a range, fence crossing and removal of firearms from vehicles.” This takes about 4 hours.

The class is given by CT DEP employees 11 times a year. It fills up very quickly and is most likely not near your home. So you have to give up several weekends and/or evenings traveling at least 45 minutes – 1 hour to take a course telling you not to point a rifle at you head.

That is the first roadblock to hunting. I got a CT concealed handgun permit with less hoops to jump through.

Fishing is next.

sandy on February 12, 2010 at 1:21 pm

I love your little rants about masculinity, Debbie. Like men should be listening to some fucking woman about masculinity.

Ragnar on February 12, 2010 at 1:27 pm

Maybe, we’re an anomaly. Been married 24 years. We have 3 children (2 gals 1 boy 23,21,15). We live in No. Va. and my son has gone hunting since age 11. He now carries his own .30-30 and got his 1st deer with his dad’s black powder rifle last year. Yes- he completed gun safety with the state of Virginia first. He posted his deer along with his Confirmation pictures on Facebook. Cost him a potential girlfriend, but the pictures are still posted. He caught a sail fish deep sea fishing last year as well. He hunts and deep sea fishes with his dad, does yard work and homework with me (the mom). He plays football and lacrosse. In the snow over the last week, he played football and built snowmen to practice tackling. We feel he’s a great kid on his way to becoming a great man.
(The gals are great too!- teacher and urban planner). We have friends with kids and similar interests – so there’s hope.

Cathy on February 12, 2010 at 1:28 pm

I hope all you anti-huntering pansies starve when the grocery stores are out of prepacked and preprocessed “humanely killed meat”. You all make me sick … sick like from eating processeed McDonalds meat … so really sick.

You all complain when you human rights or ways of life get critized and trampled on, but you are all too willing to critize my way of life and basic human right.

Plus, most of you don’t have the balls to say anything like that a real hunter’s face – cause you’re wimps who can only act like a real man if you’re playing a video game. Real men, don’t get that way playing GTA 4, that’s how you can get real “gangstas” though …

Dont Tread On Me on February 12, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Excuse me, you are certainly correct about a percentage of the anti-hunters but Jews have a religious obligation to NOT hunt, so I guess you can criticize me wrongly, BTW, for being “photoshop czar” but it’s fine for you to mock my religious beliefs.

    mk750 on February 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm

MK750 – Should we consult you for all photo opps now? Are you the new czar of photoshopping for Obama?

You also make a big assumption that modern hunters DONT PRAY FOR THE ANIMALS – how do you know this? My personal experience says it’s otherwise and I know I am not alone in that.

Dont Tread On Me on February 12, 2010 at 2:34 pm

I don’t like hunting because I could not kill a beautiful animal like a deer. I do eat chicken and fish but not red meat, and I’m more and more leaning toward a vegetarian diet. Would I eat meat if I needed to in order to survive. Of course.

I respect others’ right to hunt and I think it is at risk of becoming a lost skill, but I just wish that, as other posters have already said, our culture instilled more of a respect and thankfulness toward the animals who are killed. I love the Native American tradition of asking the animal’s forgiveness before eating it. What’s wrong with that? Kill to eat, eat to survive — that’s fine. No problem with that. I do have a problem with excessive bravado and bragging about killing another living creature though. Be more reverent about it.

batyah on February 13, 2010 at 2:36 am

As usual CaliforniaScreaming is right on the money.

Often camouflaged from the public eye, the efforts of hunters as conservationists over the last century have restored America’s game populations and enhanced the habitat of numerous wildlife species. No other group has come close to sportsmen in contributing the volunteer hours and funding necessary to make such an impact on wildlife conservation.

Through over 10,000 clubs and organizations such as NRA, Ducks Unlimited, Safari Club International, National Wild Turkey Federation, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and Quail Unlimited, sportsmen contribute an additional $300 million each year to wildlife conservation activities.

Hunters and fishermen fund nearly 75% of the annual income for all 50 state conservation agencies. Through license fees and excise taxes on arms and gear, sportsmen contribute $200 million per year for wildlife conservation. (U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service)

The vehicle that actually transforms money into habitat, ecological study into proven conservation tactics, and the idea of harmony between nature and society into reality is the Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act. Who fuels this vehicle? Sportsmen.

Signed into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on Sept. 2, 1937, the Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, or the Pittman-Robertson Act, created a 10% excise tax on sporting arms and ammunition. Revenue is deposited in a special trust fund under the management of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to be used for state wildlife restoration projects. In the 1970s the excise tax was extended to archery equipment and handguns. One-half of the tax revenue collected on handguns and archery equipment may be used by state fish and wildlife agencies for hunter safety training and range development.

The approximately 200 million dollars generated by Pittman-Robertson each year are matched with sportsmens’ dollars at the state level to pay for projects that will restore wildlife populations, expand habitat and train hunters. To date, more than $4.2 billion in federal excise revenue has been generated. (U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service)

The socialization into gun ownership is also vastly different for legal and illegal gun owners. [Adolescents] who own legal guns have fathers who own guns for sport and hunting. On the other hand, those who own illegal guns have friends who own illegal guns and are far more likely to be gang members. (U.S. Dept. Of Justice, March 1994, Office of Juvenile Justice & Delinquency Prevention -Urban Delinquency & Substance Abuse, July 1993.)

Persons in rural areas are more likely to be hunters. The total violent crime rate and murder rate in rural counties are 61% and 41% lower, respectively, than those found in metropolitan areas. (Drawn from FBI Uniform Crime Reports, Crime in the United States 2002.)

Groups who claim they stand for the well being of animals and who are anti-hunting base their claims entirely on emotion and not biological wildlife science. While animal rights groups concentrate their efforts on making sure a few animals do not fall to the bullets of hunters, the species as a whole suffers. These groups routinely raise large amounts of money in the name of wildlife, but give nothing in return. Below is a list of some of the most virulent anti-hunting groups.

American Humane Association
American Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals
Animal Protection Institute
Animal Welfare Institute
Earthjustice Legal Defense Fund
Friends of Animals
Fund for Animals
Humane Society of the United States
In Defense of Animals
International Fund for Animal Welfare
Last Chance for Animals
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

The truth will set you free on February 13, 2010 at 10:00 am

Dont Tread On Me:
You also make a big assumption that modern hunters DONT PRAY FOR THE ANIMALS – how do you know this? My personal experience says it’s otherwise and I know I am not alone in that.
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Lol. So you hunters prayed for the animals you slaughtered. Remind me of Muslims who prayed before slitting throats, allahu akbar, haleluyah. How holy thou are.

But both of you, radical Muslims and hunters are actually cowards, not manly. You prey upon weaker opponents, actually for the animal you hunted, they’re not even opposing you at all, you’re the one who invaded them. Face a worthy opponents, same intelligence, not lower intelligent animals who don’t have your fire power to fight back, then you’ll prove you have truly functioning manly erection. Do it in the wild west style if you are truly manly, one on one gun fight. No wonder the Muslims cherish the blood spilling either through human throat slitting or their qurban (animal sacrifice ritual), perhaps they think like many of you, that that’s macho, manly, or even holy.

I choose vegetarian lifestyle for some reasons, so I don’t and won’t hunt. But not all vegetarians are liberals drunk in “make love not war” rethorics. There’s common sense vegetarians who will kill, not only (dangerously approaching) animals but (truly asshole) humans too if necessary. That guy posted above who’d rather be torn apart by wild dogs is an idiot. Self defense is a sacred duty of every beings. It is part of self presevation nature within every being. Even a baby being aborted try to fight back feebly. That’s the reason I fully support Israel’s right to fight back. But hunters, like those Muslims roaming around seeking Christians to kill, are not for self defense, but for predatoric purpose, either for entertainment or to satisfy their animalistic lust. To these kind of assholes, make no mistake, if you dare to ruffle our feathers, the common sense vegetarians, we will shoot you or even kill you if you are as dangerous as those suicide bombers or those roaming in Katrina seeking vaginas to rape.

As common sense vegetarians, we won’t preach “thou shalt not kill” to Eskimos if their only means of self presevation is through hunting for food. But hunting for fun or getting the precious label of manliness, well, I would say, those who hunt will be hunted, as you do unto others, it will be done unto you.

And let me add this, God who want animal sacrifice is son-of-a-bitch god, what’s the difference from Allah who also demand animal sacrifice through Qurban ritual? These are man made deity out of their imagination, sort of man made global warming hoax.

And that little Aryan barbarian posing with their victims are not different from muslim kids proudly holding heads tor feet they cut off. These kids are programmed to be desensitized of blood spilling. Nothing manly. Only programmed to be mechanical robots.

SpicaChang on February 13, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I could not have said it any better!
    Right on!
    Thanks for posting this.

    ProAllLife on May 19, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    SpicaChang… I meant your post. Right on!

    ProAllLife on May 19, 2010 at 1:22 pm

SpicaChang, how many mice, rabbits, fawns, etc., are killed by the machinery used to harvest your meals?

I don’t understand your mentality, just because you didn’t pull the trigger or drive the tractor you absolve yourself of any and all responsibility?

If “little Aryan barbarian posing with their victims are no different from muslim kids proudly holding heads tor feet they cut off” , how does is feel knowing that the sickle bar cutter used to harvest the wheat you consume, almost certainly cut a few fawns in half?

A little dose of reality goes a long way….

The truth will set you free on February 13, 2010 at 12:19 pm

I am not American by the way, I don’t consume wheat but rice. But talking about responsibility, I am still indirectly responsible for animals killed to harvest my meal. That’s why some of us resolved to walk this path even grow some of our food. In reality, becoming vegetarians can’t prevent us from accidentally step on ants. Vegetarians with common sense are not absolutists fatalists. I try my best to prevent what is preventable within my power. Also know that beside not wanting to hurt another living beings, there are those who become vegetarians for vibrational reason, the tongues don’t want meat anymore, no more resonance. We also understand that some people can not become vegetarians for vibrational reason, they still crave meat. If this kind of people force themselves to become vegetarians, they’ll be sick. So knowing this, not all vegetarians judge with holier than thou PETA liked atitude.

But it’s different with hunting for pleasure or adrenalin rush. What you are doing is actively pursuing unprovoked violent agression toward the weaker living beings. If unprovoked violent agression is the measure of manliness and a morally right thing to do, then all the rapists and Muslims roaming to kill Christians or Jews should be much more manly and should be praised for doing the right moral standard. As I say before, if you hunt for your food like Eskimos, then who are we to tell you not to? Not all of us look at this issue in absolute white and black. But one thing for sure, I personally won’t support killing animals for fun or just to prove manly masculinity.

The little barbarians and the proud muslim kids with their victims’ cuts, are both being programmed in a certain way. It’s similar to the term Reframing in NLP ( Neuro Linguistic Programming). Reframing is sort of reinterpreting an action to make it lighter for the conscience. For example the muslims kids are programmed to believe that slitting throats while chanting allahu akbar is holy instead of cruel, hitting wifes or women whom they think don’t obey their rules of conduct is the sacred duty of every muslim males, glory to the honor killing. The little barbarians might be programmed with manly feeling when they killed a deer instead of looking at it as unprovoked agression. So it is some kind of brainwashing the kids into believing a certain ways. Ask all kids, want to be slaughtered like the animals they slaughtered, they’ll most likely answer no.

SpicaChang on February 14, 2010 at 5:12 am

Gotta love faulty judgement and logic.

I bet these kids/”thrill killers” just cut the heads off those animals and left the rest of the carcass to rot… Give me a break…

Ask a deer what it would prefer, eaten alive by a predator, getting hit by a car, starving or being shot, they’ll most likely choose being shot.

Ethical hunters simply remove enough of any given animal population to keep it in check with the available habitat.

The truth will set you free on February 14, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “Ask a deer what it would prefer, eaten alive by a predator, getting hit by a car, starving or being shot, they’ll most likely choose being shot.”

    How about living according to it’s own nature.

    would you ever say stuff like: As a human what would I prefer… dying of cancer, being hit by a car, being killed by a robber, or being aborted before all that cold happen?

    The convoluted arguments hunters come up with to justify killing.

    ProAllLife on May 19, 2010 at 1:27 pm

One final post; my daughter is not an observant Jew. She left vegetarianism a number of years ago when she saw her children not doing as well as they ought. She lived in a rural area. She felt hunting was actually less cruel than factory raising meat and I agree. Actually the way meat is raised commercially is questionable koshering. So her now ex-husband gave her a deer rifle. I don’t know if she ever actually went out but she was supposed to when Katrina hit.
My father owned some sort of rifle and apparently did some hunting in his youth however, by the time I was born, we didn’t need for him to do so to be able to eat. That is the reason he didn’t. I was taught gun safety with that rifle although I never actually shot. My mother’s brother was a serious fisherman and I learned to fish from him. I can’t say I like it but it’s a necessity.
After moving from the East Coast, I met many families where getting one deer in a season meant the difference between eating well and going hungry.
Again I have no problem with the killing for FOOD (Exotic meat) doesn’t qualify unless you think of the common deer as “exotic.” But before you mock us remember the Bible stories about Esau and Jacob. That’s why it’s ok for y’all to hunt and not for us.

mk750 on February 14, 2010 at 1:02 pm

Thank you for posting the photos of boys posing with their kills. It’s more ammo for animal groups to rightly point out how disgusting hunting can be. Teaching children to kill for pleasure, and grin about it, is cowardly and more than a little sick. I notice you danced around a big reason hunting is going the way of the dodo bird. (For those of you who didn’t make it past 8th grade, the bird is extinct.) More and more enlightenment about the absolute unnecessary barbarism of hunting is happening exponentially. Thanks to social media, pictures like this are seen by millions in minutes. That’s how I’m seeing them. Bubbas can’t hide so well anymore.

And yes, I am a vegetarian, and no, I don’t wear leather. You’ll have to find other excuses to discount me.

JT on February 14, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Great Post JT!!!
    I am 53 and became a Vegan January after being a vegetarian for two years. I finally seen the light. It’s never too late. I have been rewarded with Health of body and mind. My cholesterol went from 270 down to 114 and that is just the beginning of the rewards I received. When I see children robbed of their innocence, corrupted, and abused like this, indoctrinated in to a life of killing and flesh eating it breaks my heart. But change is gonna come!
    “Oh what a wicket thing it is for Flesh to be the tomb of Flesh”! For the body’s craving to fatten on the body of another, for one live creature to continue living, through another live creates death. In all the richness that Earth, the best of Mothers, tenders to us, does nothing please except to chew and mangle the flesh of murdered animals?

    ProAllLife on May 19, 2010 at 1:37 pm

You think you’re saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here’s something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season.

Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, or killing a deer but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits.

The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is “well, at least we’re not killing intentionally.” So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you’re not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we’re eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we’re not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Their bodies get mangled in the combine’s machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at hunters! If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.

How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don’t kill intentionally either, right? There’s no way out of this one. The only option left for you is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet/”lifestyle”.

Even if combines aren’t used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn’t put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations–causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.

Even if the number of animals that die in combine deaths every year isn’t in the millions, even if it’s just one, are you suggesting that the life of one baby rabbit isn’t worth saving? Are you placing a value on life? Enjoy your tofu, murderers.

The truth will set you free on February 14, 2010 at 10:13 pm

Thinking about it, if you really have the wisdom for ethical hunting and only remove the fully lived animals while balancing the habitat, then all the best to you hunters, perhaps the animals might be thankful for a quicker death. But talking about ethical killing, obviously the conservatives don’t want the “wisdom” of liberals or Democrats on health care rationing for the elders or invalids. It is of great responsibility if we think we know what’s best for the others especially in life and death matter and the present humanity still tend to be excessive in many things instead of doing everything in moderation. In the case of Dodo birds, if it’s extinct because of hunting, then it must be excessive hunting instead of moderate and ethical hunting.

If you really can do what you called ethical hunting and hunt only for the fully lived animals, then hunting is really better than meat industrialization, for the animals and human population. It is less possible to get obesed population if all who need meat got theirs through hunting.

About the kids with their kills and Islamists children, I am not equating their ruthlessness and cruelty, but I am talking about both being programmed in a certain way. But I must also say I don’t know the story behind the pictures, how the kids were taught by their hunter parents. Being pictured with their kills gave the impression of boosting their ego for sort of having accomplished successful mission, something to be proud of.

SpicaChang on February 16, 2010 at 7:14 am

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