“Anyone who comes to me without hating father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, cannot be my disciple.”

Filial relationship condemnation?  You and the Protestants are always in danger of being victims of literalism.

HYPERBOLE is the literary device of extreme exaggeration that is often used to convey an important message.  Jesus uses it a lot.  

Jesus is stressing the need to place devotion to God above all things. But only for those who believe.  For those who want to get closer to God. Jesus doesn’t waste time, or energy, on those mired in themselves, or who put the created realm above the uncreated One.

Jesus is preparing people for eternity. 

The world only looks to the present.

Never Was An Arrow II on March 2, 2010 at 1:14 pm
I was thinking of Mark 7:1-13.

Here, in one example, the Pharisees had nullified God’s fifth commandment by substituting one of their own directives.

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Contemptible bullcrap. This coming from someone who back in Mark 3:33 sounded like your average vintage 60′s hippie. And nothing beats Luke 14:26:

“Anyone who comes to me without hating father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, yes and his own life too, cannot be my disciple.”

What hypocrisy! This jesus guy is the last person to preach filial respect to anyone!

Shy Guy, you have this large construct in your mind filled from both valid and spurious resources that attempt to refute Jesus of Nazareth. Your latest kick seems to be to suggest that maybe Jesus didn’t even exist as a person in time, in place, and in history.

Nice try. Internal NT evidence alone refutes this desperate grab.

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Because you say so? It makes no difference to me whether the character of Jesus was based on an actual figure or a figment of someone’s imagination.

So ShyGuy this defensive, and expansive, mental construct you have built up in your mind moving like a huge, silent, death star against any claim of Jesus, or any follower, can only fail.

Your rigidity, and this fragile construct will one day implode inwards.

Jesus continues to be that rock some stumble over, and for others, the rock that falls on them.

Jesus forces everyone to choose.

They either become more hostile or more accepting, upon repeated exposure.

There ain’t nothin’ in the middle.

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Nothing but the usual christian babble and rhetoric. Lakes of firem, here I come!

Baby steps, Shy:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=USxv_e77tEE&client=mv-google

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First, let me correct your YouTube link. You obviously meant to point to this:

In a Nutshell For Nance, JoAnne, Gary, Terry, Carrie, Ramjot and FrizzText

I like YouTube, too! However, rather than taking baby steps, you’ll have to be adult about these:

‘Jesus Was Not the Messiah’ Series

‘Did the disciples die for a lie?’ Series

And remember, “the truth will set you free”. My favorite NT verse.

’nuff said.

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We can continue, if you’d like.

Also, you illuminated the issue of the drinking practice, nicely. Moderation and self-control still seem to the overseeing guidelines in respect of the tradition.     

Jesus said many things, mk.  I was thinking of Mark 7:1-13. 

Here, in one example, the Pharisees had nullified God’s fifth commandment by substituting one of their own directives. Jesus condemns their created assertion and noted they do many such things.

 Jesus’s paraphrased command, “Every thing they tell you to do, do.” was only valid until Jesus had lastly set up up an authoritative Church. 

This event transpired through the act of Jesus bestowing Peter with the keys.  After that the people were to take direction from the Church with it’s new powers to make disciples, to bind and loose, etc.

Shy Guy, you have this large construct in your mind filled from both valid and spurious resources that attempt to refute Jesus of Nazareth. Your latest kick seems to be to suggest that maybe Jesus didn’t even exist as a person in time, in place, and in history. 

Nice try. Internal NT evidence alone refutes this desperate grab. 

So ShyGuy this defensive, and expansive, mental construct you have built up in your mind moving like a huge, silent, death star against any claim of Jesus, or any follower, can only fail.  

Your rigidity, and this fragile construct will one day implode inwards.  

Jesus continues to be that rock some stumble over, and for others, the rock that falls on them.      

Jesus forces everyone to choose.

They either become more hostile or more accepting, upon repeated exposure.

There ain’t nothin’ in the middle.

Baby steps, Shy:      

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=USxv_e77tEE&client=mv-google

’nuff said.

Just a quick note. Jews (in this case Jewish Texicans) were fighting for American principles in places that weren’t even America yet. The first traceable member of my family living in Texas was Moses Levinson. Arrived in Tulia Texas around 1806. Family lore has him fighting at the battle of San Jacinto in 1836 in Harris County (Houston). The decisive battle leading to Texas independence and saving us from a life of the poverty and benighted corruption that has descended on all of Mexico. All hail the Jewish Fighting Men!

NWAA ll, The business about getting drunk is a misinterpretation. It is false. Rav Ovadia Yosef who was Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel and is one of the great Torah scholars of the age says that drunkenness is an abomination. The correct intepretation of “inebriated” is to have just a bit more than you’re used to having so that you get drowsy. It does not mean getting high and losing dignity and self control.

mk750 on March 1, 2010 at 10:56 am

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I type this after a bottle+ of Merlot and concur. The rabbis did not say that one is obligated to get drunk (le’hishtaker). The word they used is “li’be’sumeh”, which doesn’t easily translate literally but is a mild form of drunkeness, defined by the rabbis as the point where you cannot discern between “blessed is Mordechai” and “cursed is Hamman”.

I’m actually a bit below (or perhaps above) the mark this year but that’s because I came into Purim very exhausted from other activities and limited my indulgence out of exhaustion. And I thank my correct English spelling at the moment to Firefox.

When we (my older boys included) are “drunk”, we sing praises to G-d and try to convey lessons from the Purim story or we cry in appeal for the final redemption. The “sages” were right. “Nichas Ya’yin, Yatxah Sohd”, they said. “When the wine enters, the secret/hidden comes out (of a person)”. I’m very proud of the “hidden” which comes out of my children during a festive Purim meal. If someone isn’t, well, there’s a whole year to correct oneself until the next Purim. It doesn’t take much. Tell me of any other nation who get drunk this way. I have yet to see it.

One man hears rabbis. Another man hears God.

Never Was An Arrow II on March 1, 2010 at 10:19 am

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Our sages heard G-d, 24×7. Your Jesus heard nothing but himself, assuming some factuality in what’s conveyed in the NT – and that’s a big assumption.

You are also wrong about Jesus’s statement on Rabbis. I am a Jew so I don’t accept him as “Christ,” Messiah but he actually told the Disciples, “Every thing they tell you to do, do.” You can get a Concordance and look it up. I don’t want to pollute your Catholic eyes by giving you a KJV reference.

G-d speaks thru *some* rabbis even today but for sure the Ancient ones. So those you say “hear rabbis” are listening to false ones. Those who hear G-d are listening to those who were/are inspired, although not to the level of the Prophets.