April 19, 2010, - 3:07 pm

In Defense of Jamar Pinkney, Sr.: A Detroit Father’s Story

By Debbie Schlussel

Last week, in a Detroit courtroom, Jamar Pinkney, Sr. was found guilty of executing his fifteen-year-old son, Jamar Pinkney, Jr.  The 38-year-old father was sentenced to 37-82 years in prison and will be 75 years old at his earliest possible release from prison. His story is one of the many tragic stories of life on the wilding streets of Detroit.

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And I’m the only person I know of (other than his attorney) to defend him.  But I think he got a raw deal.  Sadly, the Detroit mainstream media all editorialized against him in their coverage of the story.

You see, Pinkney’s son, Jamar Jr. raped his three-year-old sister.  And while I don’t condone executions for rape, we know that those who rape kids will do it over and over, again and again.  There is no cure, and all the counseling in the world doesn’t cure child molesters of their sickness.  A fifteen-year-old boy is old enough to know that raping anyone–especially a three year old child who happens to be your sister–is wrong.  In most jurisdictions, a 15-year-old is tried as an adult for such crimes.  And at age 15, this kid’s warped, perverted behavior was likely a preview of his lifelong conduct, had he lived beyond that day.  Via his execution, how many girls’ lives of pain, humiliation and lifelong mental problems from child-rape were spared?  Quite a few, I’ll bet.

But, instead, the mainstream media soft-pedaled the rape, describing it as “molestation”–a sanitized word for it.  The Detroit Free Press quoted the sentencing judge as saying the father denied his son the chance at rehabilitation and repentance.  Do you really think a 15-year-old rapist of his 3-year-old sister will ever truly be rehabilitated?  Dream on.

How many parents wish they could execute the rapists who have killed the mental lives of their kids after raping them?  We don’t condone that kind of violence, but when it happens in the movies and in real-life, we generally applaud those people for cleaning up the earth of some of the excessive scum that made it dirty.  I wish these child rapists would all serve life terms in prison.  But we know that’s not what happens.  They get out, and they rape little kids again.

I feel for Jamar Pinkney, Sr.  He was one of the few fathers in Detroit (and Highland Park–a destitute, wholly surrounded suburb of Detroit) who was actually around and actively in his kids’ life.  And when he learned that his teen son raped his daughter, he apparently snapped and immediately took his son out and shot him, execution style.  I don’t think he was sane at the moment.  And it’s clear he feels terrible for what he did.  This was a father who cared about his kids.  He went off the handle as many would in a very traumatic tragedy.  It’s a horror and rage any parent of a raped child feels because they know their child is irreparably scarred forever, some of the life in them permanently killed.  Now, he will likely spend the rest of his life in prison.

There are plenty of other fathers a/k/a sperm donors in Detroit who deserve life in prison far more than Jamar Pinkney, men who are far more of a threat to society.  Some are hardened criminals who don’t kill as the result of the rage over a raped daughter.  Others are those who spread their seed at random to various babymamas.  And their absenteeism results in their kids becoming killers, drug dealers, pimps, and thugs.  And, unlike Pinkney, Sr., they’ll never do a day in jail for the monstrosities they’ve borne on this city. Pinkney, sadly, is a babydaddy, too. The raped girl was his daughter by another mother. And that’s why Pinkney, Jr.’s mother and grandmother don’t mention (in the video above) the daughter her son raped and dismiss the heinous act as “lust.” Rape is far more than lust. And now the raped young girl will be yet another damaged Detroit victim of violence who also won’t grow up with a father.

Like I said, I don’t favor this kind of vigilante justice or personal death penalty, executing someone for a sex crime.  it is uncivilized. But sometimes vigilante justice ends up working out for the best.  And frankly, I think Jamar, Sr.–in the heat of a loving father’s anger that his toddler daughter was raped–did a lot of potential future victims of Jamar Pinkney, Jr. a favor.  He saved their lives.

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Some of you people are disgusting, including YOU, author! Pinkney, Jr. was a VICTIM of his own father. I’m not suggesting that he wasn’t wrong for what he did, but to suggest that he was far beyond the realm of help that counseling could provide is a judgmental crock of Sh*t. And I don’t care what you say, author, spin it how you will, that 3 year old girl wasn’t raped, she was inappropriately touched, and coming from someone that this also happened to at a young age, and AGAIN at 12, I can tell you that what he did was not enough to ruin her life. He was 15 and could have been helped, what excuse do you give a father that beats his own son that he’s known 15 years until he’s got knots the size of golf balls, strips him down naked, forces him outside at gunpoint and then blows his brains out? And never mind that the poor boy’s family was forced to sit right there and watch the whole thing. You’re an idiot who’s obviously speaking from a personal perspective rather than an objective one. And for you people thinking that this KID deserved to be murdered, maybe YOU’RE the ones that need the counseling, since it’s obviously too late for Jamar Pinkney, Jr. The father deserves death, but I can rest in great solace tonight knowing that this waste of mass will most likely never see another sunset. I hope his son haunts him in mind for the rest of his worthless, useless life.

Aaron on August 5, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    It is insane to think that there is any justification in a father executing his own son. Jamar Sr. should have been there for his son and gotten him the help he needed. He basically traded favor for one child, his daughter, over his other child, Jamar Jr. Parents teach their children to come to them no matter what when in trouble and that as a parent you will both help, love, and protect your child. Jamar Sr. seriously let his son down. His son confessed, asked for forgiveness, and believed he was going to receive help (counseling). I don’t believe he raped his sister but that he inappropriately touched her. I think he chose one child over the other. Jamar Sr. will have the rest of his life to reflect on what he has done. Many lives will never be the same. It is good he has been sentenced to a lengthy term in prison. I think that the world is a safer place with Jamar Sr. behind bars. I think Jamar Sr. is a bigger threat than anything that Jamar Jr. could have done had he lived. The real criminal here is Jamar Sr. and I believe he is beyond rehabilitation. Jamar Jr. was a child and could definitely have been saved and rehabilitated and gone on to live a healthy and productive life. What a tragedy all around. Rest in peace Jamar Jr. and best wishes for recovery to all the family and friends affected.

    Deborah on August 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    TEARING, dummy.

    Angela on August 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    I totally agree! She is obviously suffering from her own trauma from a rape. She needs to get counseling and also realize touching is not Rape it is in fact molestation, and both of those children could have gotten help and healed from that unfortunate experience.

    nikki of ohio on August 10, 2010 at 9:35 am

THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE IS SOOOO STUPID AND SO IS ANYONE ELSE ON HERE THAT BELIEVES THAT JAMAR PINKNEY SR. WAS RIGHT FOR KILLING HIS OWN SON!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING IN THIS WORLD NO MATTER WHAT EVEN DEATH- NOTHHHHINGG REQUIRES A PUNISHMENT OF DEATH! SO EVEN YOU PEOPLE WHO SAY YOU THINK THAT JAMAR SR. HAS HELPED FUTURE RAPE VICTIMS OF JAMAR SENIOR- YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS A KILLER! NO ONE KNOWS ANYONE ELSE’S FATE BUT GOD THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. PEOPLE CAN DEFINITELY BE CHANGED EVERYONE MESSES UP EVERYDAY AND I BET THE SAME AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE DOES THINGS AT HER AGE THAT SHE KNOWWWWSS SHE SHOULDN’T BE DOING SO WHO SHOULD POINT THE FINGER AT JAMAR JR. SAYING HE WOULD GROW UP TO RAPE ALL OVER AGAIN?! THIS ARTICLE ALSO HAS SOO INSTANCES THAT HINT TOWARDS RACISM. TRUST ME I CAN WRITE A WHOLE NEW ARTICLE ON THE NEGATIVES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS ARTICLE AND MANY OTHER COMMENTS!

Jessica on August 6, 2010 at 12:03 am

I guess you have everyone’s mind and know how EVERYONE would react to be inappropriately touched. The girl had a laceration on her vagina. No it wasn’t full blown penetration but this is rape. It was rape and this man snapped. He snapped so completely that he killed his own son. Do you HONESTLY think this man would have hurt his child if not for the circumstances? Let’s question the kind of perverts Pinkney Jr’s MOTHER had around her son.

Tiffany on August 6, 2010 at 10:28 am

Debbie…I don’t understand ur way of thinking. YOUR STOOOOPID

AND ANNOYING. Its like amazing to even think about how stupid u are. Don’t u remember being 15? Don’t you know that as we matue we start to have a conscious and realize every action has a reaction…ur a dumb bit*h…I’d like to bit*h slap u.

its so funny that ur telling everyone it was flat out rape…WHEN IT WASN’T…

heres an idea…y don’t u have a nice lovers relationship with your new cold blooded killer behind bars…u were meant for each other stupid bit*h

Melissa on August 6, 2010 at 11:20 am

Both were in the wrong. Why do we always resort to violence whenever emotions get out of control? How can u say he snapped, when he had all night to think about what jr. did. If he would have just beat him and left i could have understood that, but to have him strip and taken into a field shot point blank. A stranger maybe, your son NO WAY!

Jamal on August 6, 2010 at 11:27 am

I hope that JAMAR PINKNEY SR have plenty of time to think about how he let KARONNE IVEY put a gun in his hand and pull the trigger to murder his only son. He really let her make a fool out of him. Personally, I don’t think JAMAL JR did anything to his little half-sister. I actually think that the family drilled JAMAL JR until he confessed to an incident that he did not commit. His mother meant well by continuting to ask JAMAR JR questions after the Emergency Room doctor gave the little half-sister a clean bill of health. The family convinced JAMAL JR that he actually molested his little-sister. JAMAL JR started to beleive that he had HUMPED his little half-sister. Then again JAMAL JR may have confessed because it was 3am in the morning and he wanted some REST! The child had been deprived of sleep. Why did it take IVEY so long to take the girl to the doctor once the girl stated that her TOOTIE was hurting? Why didn’t IVEY call the police once she found out that JAMAL JR has confessed and let the proper authority handle the situation professinal??? Instead she used a weak minded man to murder JAMAL JR a child that she hated. A child that she would do anything in order to get him out of their. Why did IVEY has a flash light looking inside the girl TOOTIE? I think she voilated her own daughter to frame JAMAR JR and to cover up their MURDER. IVEY should be prosecuted for MURDER with her lover and partner in crime. This couple is money hunger. First IVEY tried to collect JAMAL JR life insurance money so that she could give it to JAMAL SR. Now both PINKNEY and IVEY are trying to beat the system by filing a disability claim for EXTREME EMOTIONAL DISTRESS. LOL!!! IVEY if you want some money go BACK to WORK and PINKNEY I hope the state put you on a CHAIN GANG for the next 80 years so that you can make you some money too!

vicky warren on August 6, 2010 at 12:14 pm

You FEEL for Jamar Pinkney, Sr. ??? I have a 15 year old son, and I can’t imagine anything that he could do that would move me to kick him repeatedly in the head, strip him down to nothing, then march him into the backyard, and as he looked me in the eyes begging for my love and forgiveness, shoot him in the face. I can’t comprehend this. At least if charges were pressed, this could have been sorted this out. Now we will never know what the full truth is in regards to him and the 3 year old little girl. And, if my son was being tortured the way this boy was, I would have sacrificed my life for him to try and stop that madness. There were other adults there that should have intervened. But, as one of the other respondants said previously, I hope this man’s every waking moment is spent reliving what he has done, and I hope it haunts him forever.

Sharyn on August 6, 2010 at 12:30 pm

If someone hurt one of my girls,it is safe to say there will be hell to pay. I can not imagine what I would do. I know it would be a bad scene all together. This man, Jamar, had to be full of rage. That is truely understandable, considering what happened to his baby. If Jamar had killed anyone besides his son this conversation would take a totally different tone. You can not justify the loss of a life, but you can be compassionate about what this man has gone through and what he has to go through for the rest of his life.

Raven on August 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    @Raven: OK, I can understand what you’re saying but think about this: you’re right, if this had been any one other than his son, then this conversation would have taken a completely different turn, but it wasn’t. If Jamar, Jr. was a stranger, the father would have been able to assume that this guy was a pervert and has probably done this to so many other people, so he would be doing society a favor… but he wasn’t a stranger, this was his son. This was a child that he had known for 15 years, that he raised, a child that hugged him whenever he cried, a child that loved his father, a child that his father had NEVER known to have hurt any one before. Having known him for 15 years, his 1st response should have been to find out WHY Jamar, Jr would have done something like that and focus on getting him help. Instead, he reacted as if they were complete strangers. If he had really been a stranger and this happened to his daughter, I think I would have actually supported what he did, but I can’t, because he knew this child for 15 years and nothing like this had EVER happened before.

    Aaron on August 6, 2010 at 3:17 pm

So Debbie Schlussel if you had a 15 year old son (your own flesh and blood)who who did this and it is incurable would you shoot him in the head. There are all different types of mental illnesses and your comments demonstrate that you might have an incurable illness as well.

Iris on August 6, 2010 at 1:55 pm

We do NOT and I repeat DO NOT take the law into our own hands in this country. Your near sighted article feels the father spared other young girls of the escalation of this child’s horrific actions. Okay, you answer this: What do we become when we take these situations upon ourselves? The justice system is imperfect. It’s what we have.

mike young on August 6, 2010 at 2:00 pm

ANYONE WHO CAN DO THIS TO HIS CHILD IS SICK!!!!!
HE KNEW THE NIGHT BEFORE WHAT HAPPEND AND HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO THINK OF WHAT HAPPEN. HE WAS JUST TRYING TO PROVE TO HIS DAUGHTERS MOTHER. HE CHOOSED HIS DAUGHTER OVER HIS OWN SON. TO TAKE THIS POOR BOY OUTSIDE NAKED WAS ENOUGH!!!
WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING TO THINK JARMAR SHOULDN’ OF BEEN FOUND GUILTY.
THIS MAN SHUOLD OF GOT DEATH!!!! HE KILLED HIS OWN SON!!!
GOD BLESS LITTLE JAMAR AND KEEP HIM CLOSE IN HIS ARMS.

LORIE on August 6, 2010 at 2:07 pm

Sr was the one who raped that child and then he convinced his son that he was the rapist. Jr began to believe that he actually did it. Once Sr was able to preasure Jr into making a false confession, he used it as an excuse to murder him. He felt that his son was keeping him connected with his mother but Sr didn’t want any connection to Jr mother.

Eric H on August 6, 2010 at 2:19 pm

Jamar Cherry is at peace with Jesus now. He is in no pain. He is far better off than us all. There is no more begging to his father. His father will most likely be the one begging at the end of his own life. He’d better hope he is shown more mercy than that which was shown to his son…

Sharyn on August 6, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Are you always so narrowminded?
    THINK. Think about a 3 year old getting f—-, yes, by her brother.
    Sorted out?? Rapists keep raping-no sorting out. Grow up.

    Angela on August 6, 2010 at 6:24 pm

      Very classy, Angela. Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

      Sharyn on August 7, 2010 at 8:50 am

        It is not classy to rape. there is no jesus.

        Angela on August 11, 2010 at 2:41 pm

Sounds like you were attracted to Mr. Pickney, Sr. and are one of many White women who close their eyes and dream of sex with a Black man. Why do I say that? Because after reading about this case and seeing segments of testimony, there is no way on earth that any reasonable person would have deemed that “clearly felt terrible” about what he did. Are you blind? No. You are nothing more than the Master’s wife counting away the days until he leaves for town so you can get some of that big black anaconda plowing your plantation fields.

Madaboutit on August 6, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Madaboutit….
    You sound like a true pig.

    Spike on August 6, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    That’s uncalled for. Why don’t you write when you have something intelligent to say?

    kris on August 6, 2010 at 5:36 pm

I totally agree with Debbie Schlussel… Sr appeared to be a decent man doing the best he could for his family. He worked, stayed in his kids lives and was up until he SNAPPED, a law abiding citizen. Detroit could use a few more MEN like Sr. It would be a better place to live, not the JUNGLE it is now!!

Jan Brown on August 6, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Wow – you called a murderer a decent man. If he was so decent, where were his parenting skills? Testimony says he and his son were close, did Jr learn his behavior from his dad? Aren’t you glad your dad didn’t kill you the first time you made a mistake? I think you need to have your head examined.

    kris on August 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm

To the author, how can you say that your feel for this man? He KILLED his son. He didnt give this fifteen year old a chance to rehabilitate. Hes sitting in court without a stitch of emotion. He doesnt care, not shedded a tear for the son who has HIS name

Jessica on August 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm

Me personally would be locked up if someone raped or molested either one of my young children both who are girls. No one would know how that would really effect them personally unless it happened to them. The bad part about this story is that it was his “own” child.

DC Resident on August 6, 2010 at 3:18 pm

WHAT A CROCK…IT TURNS MY STOMACH TO READ TRASH LIKE THIS…I’M QUITE SURE HAD THE SENIOR PICKEY BEAT A RELATIVE OF THE AUTHOR, STRIPPED THEM NAKED, MARCHED THEM TO A VACANT FIELD AND THEN EXECUTED THEM BY A GUN SHOT TO THE FACE…THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN STATED MUCH DIFFERENT. IM GLAD THIS CLOWN WAS NOT ON THE JURY…THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE SENIOR PICKENY A PARADE… GET A LIFE. YOU MAKE ME SICK.

Dennis on August 6, 2010 at 4:39 pm

First off, there’s alot of misinformtion here. The “rape” was an allegation and has never actually been proven to have happened. A 3 year old girl says something to her mother about a boy Mom doesn’t like, and that’s when things took off. If Jamar Jr did something inappropriate to his half sister, then it calls for action like immediate counseling. Men get urges, think of how youngsters discover sexuality. To say there is no cure is just an ignorant statement. People learn from mistakes all of the time. That’s part of life. It’s up to parents to teach their kids, not murder them. And for all of you who condone it, you explain a lot about why the world is the way it is today.

kris on August 6, 2010 at 5:29 pm

It is so easy to judge and I don’t exclude anyone…most of the time, we judge so that we can feel good about ourselves. Anytime that I find myself being judgmental of others, I stop, think, and most of all pray. My heart breaks for all of the people involved in the lives of both Pinkney Sr. and Pinkney Jr.- all of them will be forever changed. Despite the horror and evil surrounding the unfortunate death of Pinkney Jr in his father’s hand, I pray for Pinkney Sr.’s soul…His path is not something we wish for anyone but I hope there are some out there who is willing to pray for this man’s fate…

Yang on August 6, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    No one is any position to judge anyone. No matter what the crime. People need to pray for these families. So many people throw stones and they live in glass houses and its sad. You might didnt kill someone with a gun, but I sure some of you have cut someone with your words, and that can cause just as much damage as a gun.

    And besides there is always three sides to a story and unless you were there people dont know the whole truth. I just feel like people should be more supportive than being GOD.

    I pray that the rips in these families heal with God’s help and time.

    A. George on August 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm

Dear Debbie,
I want to thank you for explaining things so eloquently. You carefully weighed the variables in this case and explained them succinctly. I think you are an educated, thinking, intelligent, caring and brave woman to have done so.

Angela on August 6, 2010 at 6:33 pm

There are no winners here – just losers!

While I don’t condone vigilante justice in most cases, I wonder how many would be outraged if this 15-year-old boy had had “inappropriate sexual contact” with their three-year-old relative, especially their daughter?

I honestly believed he snapped, too. Can you imagine for a second what it must feel like as a parent, a father nonetheless, to find out first that your daughter innocence has been tampered with (and you didn’t protect her honor) then to later find out it was at the hands of your other child (the brother who is also supposed to protect – not hurt – daddy’s little girl)? I can’t even imagine what it must feel for a father to find out that his own child is sick and perverted. Yes, I said sick and perverted. I bet you would, too, if it were your child–or relative–that Pinkney, Jr. was sexually inappropriate with, right? And, I bet you wouldn’t give a damn how old he was, right? You would want the book thrown at him, too, right? And, maybe, even his testicles, right?

It is unconscionable for any parent to kill their own kid for any reason, but I think that at the point when Sr. flew into a rage and lost it, Pinkney didn’t see his son as the loving, sweet child that everyone is painting of him; instead, he saw his son for what he was–the perpetrator of a heinous crime, the stealer of his daughter’s innocence, and was beside himself with rage, anger and guilt.

Did the boy need to lose his life for it? Only God will have the final judgment.

Kiy on August 6, 2010 at 8:02 pm

Dear Debbie,
I think your ignorance and stupidiness controls you and your thought process. No one knows what actually happened in this paticular incident, and I don’t under no circumstances agree with what this father. No I take that back what this dad has did, because no real father with kill there own. Your sitting here calling this child a rapist and don’t even know if he actually did what this man has executed him for. Then you wanna say he did the world a favor by killing his own to protect other, that was stupid of you to say and disrespectful to this child’s family having to read this trash you’ve written about him. How could you even open your mouth to agree with this violence, I see it as you continuing the cycle of violence on our youths. Put yourself in that mother’s situation and that was your child you watched being executed by his own dad, someone that was suppose to teach him how to be a man and love him unconditionally. Honestly how would you feel since your in agreement with him killing his own child. You and him need to burn in hell for that, no at this point hell is too good for either of you, but you need to be standing beside him on judgement day which should be infront of a firing squad in the heat and they start at your ankle and work there way upwards making you and him beg for your lives just as this child did before he was executed. You seem educated but you have your priorities totally screwed up making you seem heartless, dumb, and just completely stupid for writing this F***ED UP S**T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yetta on August 6, 2010 at 8:14 pm

That wasn’t enough time. He needed the death penalty. I hope when he get’s to where he’s going, the prisners tear his ass up!!!!!!! GOD DON’T LIKE UGLY!!!!!

Linda on August 6, 2010 at 9:32 pm

I understand where Debbie is coming from. Jamar Sr was a decent man, he was not a thug, he had a good job, no he should not have killed his son, but having a 3-year-old granddaughter I think I can understand the rage that he felt. If anyone touched her, I think I could kill, be it my son, my husband or anyone. Dont you people think he runs that through his head 24/7. He is going to live everday of his life in hell and I know most of you say good, but wait until it happens to YOU, then lets hear from ya!

Connie on August 7, 2010 at 9:12 am

I have 2 girls and a son who I love to endlessly but rape is rape no getting around that and to try to down play it is foolish for any parent! It’s 3 victims here the 3 year old rape victim, the father the killer and the 15 year old rapist its very sad to hear but I can’t really say that the father was wrong child or no child you rape another person and even worse your sister. It’s so many mixed feeling about it I know I love my son but I can’t not let him do anything like that and sit around and act as if his crime was not a big deal. What he did was as bad as what the father did they both took a life that only GOD has the right to do. The sad part is the 3 yr old will have to deal with her father killed her brother cause what happen to her now she is without a big brother and father. We as parents need to teach our boys about things like this and when you see a sign that something is not right get help for him don’t wait till he is dead or in jail to say he did not deserve that cause if you touch a child the wrong way its rape to me. I wish the boy family well and I pray if the mother have any other sons they get help cause it is something wrong in that household.

keller williams on August 7, 2010 at 7:45 pm

dont feel sorry for mr pickney at all,especially after he called the girlfriend and said Babe i took care of that, that so and so didnt snap,he was trying to please ms ivey,he was wrong i dont care how you look at it, and when he goes to jail what goes around comes around and im sure he will find out what a real rape is.how do you kill you r own child? im sure the little girl will probably and hopefully forget,mr pickney showed no remorse, he planned that execution,his son could have gotten help,how can a father do that and your son is telling you hes sorry and asking for your forgiveness,he deserves what ever he gets, just hope he has enough sense to ask the man up stairs for forgiveness,something he didnt allow his son to do

miz china on August 8, 2010 at 8:09 am

author you are nuts

jay on August 9, 2010 at 2:04 pm

Murder is wrong as the author pointed out, but as the author also pointed out, so is rape. I grieve only for the 3 year old little girl who is left with the physical and psychological consequences of both Jamar’s actions.

Tanya on August 9, 2010 at 2:31 pm

Those of you who feel no remorse for the little girl must not have any daughters. No, Mr Pinkney should NOT have shot his son and killed him; there should have been legal actions taken. I do understand why he was in the state he was though…

When I was 5 and six years old, I was sexually abused by a cousin from my dads side who stayed and lived with me and my parents. He was much older than I was at the time, I think he might have been 17 or 16. He was my caretaker because my parents both worked long shifts during the day. And before I entered kindergarten, my life was complete hell. The pervert was always making me do horrific things and would hit me if i didn’t do what he said. I remember I eventually told my aunt from my mothers side, because I was close to her. She said she told my parents but nothin was ever done. I didn’t understand why! Finally i learned just a few years ago that my parents thought i was too young to know what sex was so they i must have been exaggerating or just makin up stuff based on watching tv…

My point is, for you guys to say taht this little 3year old girl must NOT have been raped, only molested a little bit, is complete bullshit. You guys were not in the room with the little girl to seriously make a statement of that. If you were in the room, then yea u have all the right to say what rlly happened to the lil girl.AND EVEN IF SHE WAS “ONLY MOLESTED A LITTLE BIT”, it is still very serious ABUSE! when my cousin first started fondling me and touching me, it was so damn horrible, i wanted to die! and yes, when he eventually raped me, it was the worst feeling ever. I have nightmares now and I have to see counseling because I have bad OCD and panic attacks whenever I hear a noise in my hou8se I feel like he is there ready to rape me. It is so horrible to live with this.

But back to Jamar Pinkney Sr., no one knows exactly what might have happened if you were in that situation. Maybe some of you might have reacted calmly and maybe some of you maybe would just not have even cared, like my own parents didnt. Or maybe some of you may have snapped and just beat on ur child. Or maybe some of you might have gone to the extreme of killing ur child.

I wish my parents or someone could have helped me out when I was a child. Taking legal action and making sure my cousin would never ever do it again to any other little girls would have helped so much. No, I don’t wish my parents should have killed my cousin but I wished he would have gone away to jail for the rest of his life so he wouldn’t hurt any morelittle girls again. I cant imagine if he was to rape my little daughter that I have now. I don’t want to imagine it either.

Shae on August 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm

When you truly love a child, there is nothing you won’t do to help them. Murder is never an option, and you don’t snap, EVER! There was no RAPE!!! There was a behavior problem that required help, not DEATH! I believer Jamar Sr. reacted to his daughter’s mother more than what his son did. Jamar knew from the ER visit his daughter was not raped and still murdered his son. He son loved and trusted him. He murdered him for it. And, in the most vile way there is. He is where he belongs. I’m just sorry the daughter’s mother can’t be held accoutable as well for her part in this. And YES, she is the one that caused it!!!!!!!!!

Marla Jade on August 9, 2010 at 7:34 pm

It is very unfortunate the situation that occured,I have a 3 sons (ages 13,9 and 1) and a 3 year old daughter and I always say if someone ever touched my kids inappropriately I am going to jail b/c I would try to kill someone. You think about the innocence of your child and as a parent you are supposed to protect them from harm. It happened to be his son he should have protected her from. I do not for 1 minute condone the actions he took but I do believe he was detached from reality and someone hurt his baby! One of the previous comments said he had all night to think about what happened but when you do nothing but think you beat yourself up over what you should have or could have done differently the pain your child was in her tears and you explode. It just happened to be his son. Please remember the families and pray for all of those involved because it could happen to any one of us.

mom of 4 on August 9, 2010 at 8:50 pm

OK…I officially think this author is CRAZY!!!!

I agree that what happened to the 3yr old was wrong but she was not raped. She is probably going to have a harder time dealing with the fact that her father killed her brother, more than the inappropriate act committed by her brother. Chances are she would have been fine after the appropriate counseling but knowing her father is a murderer will probably hurt her more.

If Sr. was so worried about Jr. hurting the little girl again, he could have just kept the 2 apart. There is absolutely no excuse for killing your own child!

mzjay on August 9, 2010 at 10:55 pm

Rape should be punishable by death, period. The fact that so many decries Pinkney, Sr.’s act of honor tells us what is wrong with this nation.

What this country lacks is Honor and Justice on August 9, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    Thank you. I agree.

    Angela on August 11, 2010 at 2:45 pm

Wow…u didn’t get many kudos for that ignorant article now did ya? I can’t believe u actually published an article saying it was good that a man executed his son. U must be a sick individual. Then u went on to say the boy would have grown up to rape & kill little girls as if u knew that without a doubt. Here is the very best thing I can say to this whole devilish article u wrote: “forgive her Lord, for she knows not what she says.” I will pray for u because u obviously don’t know that nothing is impossible with God so therefore, there was always hope for Jamar Jr. I pray God will forgive u as well as Pickney Sr.

Lynne Porter on August 9, 2010 at 11:55 pm

I seen no where that he raped her.And what right did that man have to take the law into his own hands? I don’t think we watched the say trial on IN SESSION. That man drove to his exwife’s house with a gun & he knew what he was going to do when he did.I feel no pity on him. I still want to see proof she was raped,her own doctor didn’t prove it to me.And I bet the only reason he showed up in court was because they would have put him in jail if he didn’t.You are a sad woman & God help any children you might have if you think a parent can take their own child’s life like that.

Leosrule on August 10, 2010 at 1:05 am

this is truly a horrible situation..i cant begin to think of the ramifications of if i were in that predicament. i cannot say that i would go to the extreme to kill my own child..but a serious butt kicking he would certainly get. my twelve year old daughter was molested by my ex boyfriend..and i am not sure to exactly what extent..she has clammed up and is experienceing ongoing issues that i am noticing from day to dat..the police are involved and she is in counseling..and it really seems to no avail. daily i watch the changes that my innocent child is going through and i am so hurt..bitter..and dowm right mad. i can see how something like this can make someone lose it…each time i think about it..i feel soo angry that if he were in front of me ..i could seriously maime him..so until you go through something like this concerning you own flesh and blood…you just cannot say what you would..could..or ultimately will do…
fyi..its been only five months since this has happened to my daughter and we painfully relive it constantly…

bev on August 10, 2010 at 4:00 am

You are as disgusting as this man who killed his own child. I counsel children who have been violated and molested and also in return acted upon their vengeance on other victims! To think you are actually defending this ANIMAL is sickening! That little girl could have gotten counseling and became a productive member of society, That young man could have gotten help depending on how far his own abuse went back and went on to help others dealing with the same feelings. And as we all very well know he DID NOT rape that little girl. He molested her. There is a huge difference! Do not try to fool us into thinking otherwise! The recovery process is different, the healing,Everything. You yourself pour out bitterness,hate,disdain and disgust for this boy but none for the father who murdered his own child for touching his sister. I believe that you are suffering from PTSD and have been actually raped and trying to sentence your rapist through this young child who was also a victim! I see quite a few victims in this case and none of them are this father. May God help this family and YOU Heal!

nikki of ohio on August 10, 2010 at 9:32 am

I feel all the judgments and name calling is what’s horrible about most of these comments. I will simply say that yes, what Mr. Pinkney did was horrible and unimaginable for most. Until you go through days of an emotional roller coaster ride mixed with minimal sleep don’t assume you know what it’s like or what you could or couldn’t do. People don’t just go from being a normal member of society to cold blooded killers overnight. This man fathered and loved this child for 15 years. I’m sure if you had asked him a year ago if he could or would ever be able to do something like this to his own child his comments may have been similar to yours. This is such a sad tragedy.

Momof3 on August 10, 2010 at 11:32 am

You are so wrong!! Apparently, there are deeper issues here. He obviously does not understand what it meant to be a father and human being. He was absolutely wrong!! He is a cold-blooded killer and deserves to be thrown in jail without the possibility of parole and the key to his cell should be thrown into the ocean! He needs to reflect on what he did. How is he going to tell his daughter that he killed her brother. I don’t condone what Jamar Jr. did and he absolutely needed help and counseling, but to take his life is wrong! This is so sad and crazy!! As the boys mother I would be in jail because I would have certainly shot Jamar Pinkney Sr. execution style for taking the life of my son.

Mother of 15 year old on August 10, 2010 at 12:29 pm

It is a tragic situation but the father did not have the right to take the life of his child. The child would have had the chance for a trial. Yes what he allegedly did was wrong and he should have known better but tell me how the father is any better. He should have known what he was doing was wrong. From what I see of the situation it seems more like the boy was curious he was at an age where he would be feeling things he has never felt before and probably did not have a girl his own age to try things with. THis is no excuse but if he was not malicious in his intent to hurt his sister then he could have been helped by counseling and went on to live a normal life. His sister is only three and would not have been permanently damaged by what was done to her. I do not see enough evidence to suggest rape I do think he touched her inappropriately but no one remembers when they were three so unless grown ups keep reminding her of what happened then. She would have also grown up to be normal. Kids are very resilient. The ones who don’t want to cope are usually wanting the attention that comes with people feeling sorry for them and three year olds can’t do that. I was raped when I was younger and I have let it go so that I can have a good life. What good does it do me to stay mad at someone that I never have to see again? He’s not losing sleep I would be and I refuse to let anyone steal my joy.

AMRogers on August 10, 2010 at 1:08 pm

As a victim of rape when I was a child, I have something to say. I was raped by my cousin. My mother and father found out about it and both were set on beating him or possibly killing him for what he’d done to me. I remember crying to my mother and father when I found out their plans. I said “no mommy no daddy don’t hurt him! If Jesus can forgive him so can I.” I spoke with my cousin later whom we’d found out was molested by another person, He begged for forgiveness and I forgave him. He was put into counseling and has since been doing great. Don’t get me wrong I still would not trust him with my kids but I know that it would of destroyed me if they had of killed him. Now as for that poor baby, now even though we all know she is just a baby and it is NOT her fault her brother was killed, she will blame herself. Go back and talk to her in about 7 years and I assure you she’ll think it’s all because she told. I still love my cousin I’m sure she will love her brother as well.

Gennie on August 10, 2010 at 1:20 pm

he should have been executed and your a crazy crazy sick woman

Alan Smithee on August 10, 2010 at 2:40 pm

I don’t know what trial you watched, but it was NEVER clear to me that the elder Pinkney felt the least bit of remorse for what he did. He claimed, until conviction, of having an “out of body experience”. Only then did I hear anything approaching sorrow or regret; by then I was of the opinion that he was sorry only that he was convicted of murder. He beat his own son, forced him to strip, took him outside, and shot him in the head.

As far as your conviction (pun intended) that the younger Jamar Pinkney raped the little girl, there is no medical evidence that such an act occurred. While it is indisputable that some form of molestation took place, rape almost certainly didn’t.

What Jamar Pinkney, Sr. did was not justifiable under any circumstance. Judging a child who was murdered as anything less than the victim is irresponsible.

Tony on August 10, 2010 at 2:49 pm

Both the daughter and the son admitted that there was RAPE, not molestation but RAPE. The son ADMITTED it. Rapists and molesters can NEVER be rehabilitated.

Kam on August 10, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Who did the son admit it to? His father, who murdered him? He didn’t admit it to anyone else, and what Jamar Sr. testified to is hearsay and inadmissible because, unfortunately, Jamar Jr. isn’t around to substantiate or refute what his murdering father claimed. That’s the law, whether you like it or not. Killers don’t get to eliminate someone and then make up what the dead person may or may not have said.

    The little girl is 3 years old, for Christ’s sake, and had been indoctrinated to dislike Jamar Jr. by her mother. Notice that she didn’t testify? There was a reason for that. Again, inadmissible testimony.

    But it doesn’t matter to you, regardless. By your opinion rapists AND molesters can’t be rehabilitated. Where did you get you psychiatry/psychology degree? I got mine at the University of Georgia. Odd, my professors didn’t teach what you just seem to know. Only psychopaths are considered untreatable by mental health experts, and I didn’t hear a word about the boy being psychopathic.

    Tony on August 10, 2010 at 3:56 pm

The doctor said they found no sign of abuse. This is a child. My thoughts were so pure and innocent at that age and as the mother of a 14 year old, one year younger than this victim I think the author of this article is a disgusting maniac who is as bad as the victim whom she felt deserved it. This was an “honor” killing, the same barbaric crap people in 3rd world countries do. The monster didnt’ care about getting his CHILD the help he needed, he only cared about what it did to his EGO and himself. He probably hated the child and this was just an excuse to off him or get out of paying child support. This was a sick sick deep. i hate this man and I hope he is dealt with by God.

FeelingAwful on August 10, 2010 at 4:36 pm

Ms. Schlussel opinions are, fortunately, just that…opinions. What’s scary is that she has a forum to make such irresponsible and potentially harmful statements. If people were to act on such half-cocked and dangerous remarks as “sometimes vigilante justice ends up working out for the best”, we could have the streets filled with amateur “policemen” serving up their own brand of law and order without regard for due process. Her disregard for such could turn genuinely decent people into killers who would wrongly think of themselves as heroes. Dispensing justice is best left to the professionals, not well-intentioned civilians who could possibly be taking innocent lives, and unknowingly ruining the lives of countless others.

Tony on August 10, 2010 at 6:12 pm

Sorry to disagree with the majority of you. I agree with the author. A 15year old child molester will grow up to be a 30year old child molester! I honestly don’t believe there is a cure for them short of… Worse a 15year old in America convicted of rape will most likely never see a day in jail(a former friend of mine raped his sister repeatedly and he served zero time-disgusting; sister had to go to the police because the parents did nothing). Any man (or young man) who is aroused by such a young girl and especially a relative is a monster. This must have been the hardest thing Sr has done and I for one would be fine if he were freed.

Don on August 10, 2010 at 6:13 pm

yoou are truly an idiot… i love all the headlines saying jr raped the girl. a few honest reporters choose the word mollested… he did not rape the girl he got on top of her with clothes on and realized h was wrong and stopped… not only that buthe felt bad and confessed, he is 15 you cant say hes going to rape girls over and over for the rest of his life . and on top of that! wherre is his trial, where is the evidence proving he ever really did anything? im not saying hes innocent, he confessed, but where is his due process and justice. his peice of trash father should have got the firing squad hes a fricken animal.. he didnt snap either that is such bullshit he was not even there he thought about it a whole day and planned it all out you ignorant witch. you think this guys some kind of hero? you clearly have issues of your own. maybe you got ….. not so raped and tried to ruin a mans life over it who knows but to defend this guy, your an animal too… maybe you can be a prison wife go marry this guy your the first one ive seen defend this clown… get realll
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spuds on August 10, 2010 at 6:24 pm

You need to get your facts straight, she was not raped!! I am not defending this boy for messing around with the 3 year old, but at that age, they are hearing things and seeing things and they are curious, hormones can make a child do many things, but this 3 year old girl was not raped in any way shape or form!!!! Her hymen was still intact and the emergency room doctor didnt see ANY signs of molestation!!! Her own pediatrician found a miniscule laceration that even he had to admit under oath she could have done to herself!! He did not deserve what his father did to him but his daddy damn sure deserves to have it done to him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cherie Harrington on August 10, 2010 at 6:39 pm

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