August 28, 2006, - 2:06 pm

Jill Carroll: Muslims Good, Islamic Terrorists no Biggie Since Americans Like Al Capone

By Debbie Schlussel
Finally. Today, marks the end to the annoying space newspapers across America have given to the self-absorbed Jill Carroll and her self-absorbed ELEVEN(!)-part series on herself and how “heroic” she is.
In today’s last (thankfully) installment, she answers a few carefully-screened softball questions. We just love her answer to the one on Islam’s support for terrorism, which includes this absurd analogy:

I think we can no more say that Muslims are monsters because some people are murderers than you could say that all Americans are like Al Capone because Al Capone killed people.

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Uh, Jill, how many Americans danced in the street when Al Capone murdered someone? Which American religion (besides Islam) includes the precept to kill the Infidels? Al Capone’s (Catholicism) certainly didn’t. How many Americans, how many Catholics cheered Al Capone’s activities on? 1.6 billion? Millions? Hardly. How many have posters of Al Capone up at their homes? How many watch Cosa Nostra recruitment videos? How many textbooks and church sermons urge mass murder of others based on religion?
And, Jill, how many buildings full of innocent people did Al Capone blow up? How many pizza shops? How many bars? How many restaurants? How many mosques? How many churches? Are all Americans members of the mob? No. But most of the population in the Arab Middle East are members of Islam and belong to mosques.
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Painting any group of people with a broad brush . . . is never accurate and is never helpful. I have had many friends who were Muslims who are angry, embarrassed, frightened and disgusted by the things they see other people doing in the name of their religion.

Really, Jill? Then, where are they? Why are there none denouncing Hezbollah, HAMAS, Islamic Jihad? Where are they in your writing, Jill? Because we certainly know they exist in your imagination and PR machine.
Then, there’s this constant elitist psychobabble:

It’s a complicated issue. It’s a complicated place. The only way to really address this, to understand better, is to be better informed citizens. Read the newspaper every day.

No, Jill, it isn’t complicated. It’s pretty simple, actually. They hate us, and we must stop them from destroying us. Nothing complicated about it. Unless you’re a far left reporter who wants to make it so and doesn’t exactly like America, when her PR minders from the lefty Christian Science Monitor aren’t around.
And by the way, reading newspapers? Uh-huh. Just like looking at photos (faux-tos) from Reuters. You can’t believe even half of what you read in newspapers. And apparently, none of the photos.
BTW, Jill Carroll is headed to a fellowship at a university, and we hear the university is Harvard Hates America. Where she’ll be right at home.
Some of our previous work on pan-Islamist, anti-American Jill Carroll here.

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Jilted Carroll spit up her halal meat and said;
“The only way to really address this, to understand better, is to be better informed citizens.”
OK, then let’s start with you, Jilted. You say you want better informed citizens? How about speaking the TRUTH about Islam and stop lying about it. Tell us how the 7th century barbarians want to destroy western civilization and replace it with a 7th century psychosis based upon an invented religion bent on murdering anything that doesn’t smell like a Muzlum.
Teach us the Qur’ an and specifically point out the verses that commend its adherents to treat wome like dogs and kill or convert the infidel. Tell us about the hadiths of the demon-obsessed pedophile where he engages in thievery, debauchery, deceit, and murder.
Yes, Jilted Carroll, teach us who our enemy really is instead of lying to us. How about keeping us better informed instead of lesser informed, for a change.
BTW, you’re “reasoning” is as sound as the Muzlum “mind” is.

Thee_Bruno on August 28, 2006 at 2:39 pm

DID SHE SING THAT “LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED DIED ALL MY FIRENDS THEY DIED”

GOODOLREBEL on August 28, 2006 at 3:07 pm

You could also add that Capone was not buried with a Catholic ceremony, as that was refused, by the local bishop–who, no doubt, had a lot more huevos than many of our bishops today…

Red Ryder on August 28, 2006 at 3:07 pm

Not sure what is worse–
The fact that she got such an extensive bully pulpit, or that the average American’s critical thinking skills will probably lead them to agree with most of her nonsense.

Red Ryder on August 28, 2006 at 3:10 pm

Deuteronomy 13:12-19 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in 13 that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, [a] both its people and its livestock. 16 Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt. 17 None of those condemned things [b] shall be found in your hands, so that the LORD will turn from his fierce anger; he will show you mercy, have compassion on you, and increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your forefathers, 18 because you obey the LORD your God, keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
Deuteronomy 17:2-7 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. 6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you.

Descent on August 28, 2006 at 3:10 pm

I was struck how she kept referring to the terrorists as “insurgents.” Insurgents sounds so much sexier than “terrorists.”
Gee, maybe we should have “understood” Hitler’s feelings more. Or, we should have tried to understand Japan’s feeling after they bombed Pearl Harbor.
This is yet another attempted “Oprahization” of America.
C’mon, Jill, say it, “TERRORISTS.”

Jeff_W on August 28, 2006 at 3:10 pm

In Reply to “Descent”: According to the Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin which is the definitive text of classical ‘Rabbinic Judaism” such a city never existed. And this destruction of an entire city as proscribed in Duet. 17 ( similar to the “glutonous son of Duet. 21; 18) was never carried out in Jewish history. The talmud was completed in about 500 CE.Certainly no Jewish court has carried out this sentence since then. Yet the Moslems have been massacering “infidals” and wiping out entire towns from the year 622 till today. But nice try anyway.

Tim on August 28, 2006 at 3:50 pm

Hey, I never said Jew’s killed anyone. Muslims did/do, and I know this. But as far as holy texts go, but say some pretty stupid shit.
Just sayin’

Descent on August 28, 2006 at 3:57 pm

that should actually say “both say some ..”

Descent on August 28, 2006 at 4:01 pm

With all that time getting to know the friendly Muslim captors and converting, surely she got intimate with Qur’an 9:5 …. oh wait, say it with me boys and girls…. taqiya.

Graing on August 28, 2006 at 4:41 pm

“HARDLY THE SAME THING AT ALL. “JUST SAYIN'” MEANS, APPARENTLY, JUST SPOUTING. YOUR COMPARISON IS ABSURD AND FAILS. AND PLEASE REFRAIN FROM OSCENITIES UNLESS THEY ARE NECESSARY. IN THIS CASE, THEY CERTAINLY ARE NOT. I RESENT THAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT ABOUT THE BOOK BOTH I AND CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN. BUT UNLIKE MUSLIMS, I WON’T KILL YOU FOR IT. I MIGHT BAN YOU, THOUGH. YOUR COMMENTS AND INSULTS TO OTHERS ON THIS SITE ARE GETTING REALLY ANNOYING. AND I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BANNED YOU FOR IMPERSONATING “THEE BRUNO.”
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL”
Just spouting is about exactly what I did. I saw those two verses posted on another site, thought they were interesting, posted them here, with out researching, or anything else, and just let them be. So yeah, I litterally spouted them. Thank you for not banning me, and for that bit of consideration towards me, I promise I’ll be more considerate in the comments I leave. My original intention was never to annoy anyone on this site, but when my first comments were met with hostility, I simply retaliated. And in that post I made earlier where I made that commentary, I should have simply said “both say things I don’t agree with”, So I appologize for that too. Just to make things clear, yes, I’m a liberal, and yes, I don’t have any religion or believe in any god, which, I think, gives me the advantage of having a very neutral point of view when it comes to Islam, and other religions. No, I don’t agree with 99% of the things that Muslims carry out. And if certain people can accept this, and instead of hurling insults, or attempting to treat ME like a “infidel”(hmm, sounds like a certain relgion they claim to detest), then I don’t think there will be any problems here. I simply visit your site because I do tend to agree with quite a few things that you say. I may post comments challenging what you say, but I think that’s a healthy part of politcal debate,which is the reason I started posting. To engage in intellectual and well thought out discussions with educated individuals such as yourself and the few others that have taken the time to formulate well thought out responses rather than hurl personal insults and misc. other junk….Or you can just ban me. Your call.
OKAY. SORRY. MY APOLOGIES.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Descent on August 28, 2006 at 4:54 pm

Its not just the faked photography; its the presumption Jews and Israel are on the wrong side of history. So the media has picked a side and its NOT on the side of truth. Or for that matter on the side of fairness and justice either. No wonder people are becoming and more turned off by today’s news product.

NormanF on August 28, 2006 at 4:55 pm

What is Debbie apologizing for? Seems to me she was justified.

Thee_Bruno on August 28, 2006 at 6:04 pm

Descent,
The thing with the Old Testament is that Christians or at least Catholics do not use that book for guidance, it’s more for historical reference. Not that it’s irrelevant but when Jesus came, he basically said it was time to be more understanding hence the “turn the other cheek” and “love thy neighbor” etc. The Old Testament was written during a time when people needed strict guidance. I would say 99.99% of Christians today follow the New Testament. Not to mention, we had things like the Reformation and Enlightenment periods that reformed the church from it’s corruption and violence. Things that Islam has not had to join the 21st Century. We do however follow the Ten Commandments from the Old Testament and of course one of those is “Thou Shall Not Kill”. Since Catholics think even birth control is a form of killing, I doubt they would condone killing people just because they were not believers in Christ. I have heard the excuse many times from Muslims that the Bible is just as violent as the koran, nope wrong answer. They always pull some violent passage from the Old Testament to try to prove their point that Christians are violent but the Catholic Church just does not condone violence, plain and simple, that includes Al Capone. The Old Testament is a tired argument. Show me a violent passage from the words of Jesus Christ. It can’t be done.

Minnie Mouse on August 28, 2006 at 10:28 pm

Minnie Mouse,
You are on the money in many respects.
Jesus was Jewish. Jesus was a rabbi. However, as you pointed out…Jesus was sent to reform Judaism (Don’t get me wrong…Judaism IS THE RELIGION of THE GOD of CREATION and REVELATION, and so is Christianity). Judaism underwent a reformation – the end product is Christianity. Islam, however, was an invention. It was invented in the 7th century by a self-serving murderer, and, to this day, never, ever, underwent any kind of reformation. Muzlums still live in the 7th century. Allah is no god of creation, and is no god of revelation. Allah never revealed herself to anyone, including Moohammad. Islam forbids any kind of reformation. THAT is why Muzlumz are still mired in the Stone Age. That is why they are still hell-bent on murder and submission – after all, it is NOT a religion of revelation, compassion, peace, or love (unless you’re a fellow Muzlum). It is a religion born out of greed, violence, submission, and murder.
You are also correct when you say that Muzlums quote from the Bible when they try to engage in moral relativism. Isn’t it strange that a people (Muzlumz) who reject the Bible always seem quite comfortable twisting its passages to suit their agenda in condemnation of Christians and Jews? Muzlumz just don’t seem capable of getting their act together, do they?
That’s because they are self-delusional, brain-dead puppets.
Minnie Mouse; please post more often.

Thee_Bruno on August 28, 2006 at 11:27 pm

Minnie Mouse, point taken. I didn’t know much about those excerpts, so that’s why I didn’t add any commentary…and thanks for being polite about it. And I agree, you should post around here more.

Descent on August 29, 2006 at 12:16 am

One other point distinguishing Islamic culture and Al Capone…from Barney Ross’s autobiography,’No Man Stands Alone'(Ross was the first boxer to win titles in three weight divisions,probably should’ve received the Congressional Medal of Honor for heroism on Guadalcanal…for which he enlisted…and returned to The US addicted to morphine..which was the focus of a terrible movie about him called ‘Monkey On My Back’…ran guns to Israel during the ’48 war..)..after Ross’s rabbi father was murdered during a holdup,Ross ran some errands for Capone-who later became a big fan of his-one day,Ross asked to join Capone’s gang;Capone gave him some money and told him a rabbi’s kid had no business in the Capone gang…Can anyone imagine an Islamic terrorist gang turning down a recruit for similar reasons?

jaywilton on August 29, 2006 at 8:56 am

Too bad the Marines rescued such a self absorbed twit like Jill Carroll. I mean really, here is a “reporter” captured in the belly of the beast and all she can come back and report is the tripe she is spewing.
This girl is brainless and a lost cause. It’s too bad the military risked their collective lives to try and rescue such an ungrateful America bashing apologist for Islam.
If captivity by Islamist Radicals is not enough to rewire a brain corrputed by PC BS, then nothing short of a labotomy will.
Jill Carroll’s fate should have been a burka, beatings and a life of subjugation from the religion of “peace”.
Instead, she is free to spout more lies and falsehoods, and in the process, will be partially responsible for more deaths because of her dishonest, agenda-driven reporting. She is a disgrace to her profession and a horrible example of an American citizen

DurkaDurkaMohammed on August 29, 2006 at 9:08 am

Too bad the Marines rescued such a self absorbed twit like Jill Carroll. I mean really, here is a “reporter” captured in the belly of the beast and all she can come back and report is the tripe she is spewing.
This girl is brainless and a lost cause. It’s too bad the military risked their collective lives to try and rescue such an ungrateful America bashing apologist for Islam.
If captivity by Islamist Radicals is not enough to rewire a brain corrupted by PC BS, then nothing short of a labotomy will.
Jill Carroll’s fate should have been a burka, beatings and a life of subjugation from the religion of “peace”.
Instead, she is free to spout more lies and falsehoods, and in the process, will be partially responsible for more deaths because of her dishonest, agenda-driven reporting. She is a disgrace to her profession and a horrible example of an American citizen

DurkaDurkaMohammed on August 29, 2006 at 9:10 am

Sorry for the double post. It was an accident.

DurkaDurkaMohammed on August 29, 2006 at 9:11 am

Jill may be suffering from StockHolm Syndrome or daily feeding of rightous b.s.
One: Old Testament passages so eagerly pointed out also were limited to LOCAL responses to REAL threats! No way invoked a command to continue agressions. No where does it command the people to continue raping, murdering, pillaging, and conquering all the land they can see forever and ever!
The Jews have co-existed with every known gov’t, society and religion on earth without any undue demands or request for special privledges! This includes the Ottoman Empire of the Turks Romans, etc.
Even though todays ruling Jews in Israel may not accept a Messiah (Jesus), they allow Muslims to worship in Jerusalem at the Rock of the Dome. (Imagine if we or the Israeli army were to simply WALK on the ‘holy sites’ of Mecca or the other pit in S.A.)? DEFILEMENT! OUTRAGE! MURDER the infadils! and so on.
The Jewish peoples DO NOT suggest or promote the destruction of the mosque(I believe they should as it constitutes a serious security concern since those visiting there refuse the right of their hosts to exist as a people or nation.), or even though it sits on the most HOLY site to Jews, the Temple of Herod/Solomon, the “Holiest of Holies”.
(This is in spite of the fact that Jersalem is mentioned over 760 times in ancient holy Jewish writings, koran: NONE! Mohoho never set foot there, just supposed to arouse to heaven(?) there (on our date 8-22)).
Palestinians destroyed EVERY temple left in the Israeli pull-out. We and the Jews respect others holy sites, and thus they are used by BARBARIANS as weapon storehouses and posts for military attacks.
What I see much more troubling is the released Fox newsmen “forced to convert by gunpoint” then praising the Palestinians and suggesting others continue to come and carry on the propaganda for the “warm, loving” heathens. Oleg Wiig’s father is a minister in Austrailia, called his son courageous. I wonder of his soul (conversion to a demonic cult) and is life if either “renounce” their faith in Islam, a death sentence that is allowed to be carried out by any number of the 600 million ‘faithful’.

Grateful1 on August 29, 2006 at 10:02 am

I think the biggest difference between me, and you guys, is that I don’t like calling Muslims names(barbarians, etc). They certainly do act like it, and the title may be deserved, I’m not questioning that at all, I just simply don’t like to name call…
Anyways, wouldn’t you expect these Fox guys to maybe detest Islam after this happened? I know I would..makes me wonder what else may have happened to them..

Descent on August 29, 2006 at 10:17 am

Wow, I guess some people are just unteachable, now matter how harrowing their experiences may be. Jill is a dangerous, ignorant, deluded twit. I’m sorry to say, but if she keeps this up, then it would be better for humanity if she had been killed by those barbarians that she now champions so devotedly. She’s not suffering from Stockholm Syndrome — she’s suffering from leftist narcissism.

AmericanJewess on August 29, 2006 at 11:56 am

Minnie MouseÖYOU THEREÖyou said:
ìThe thing with the Old Testament is that Christians or at least Catholics do not use that book for guidance, it’s more for historical reference.î
ñ The OLD TESTAMENT is REVELATION and must always be approached with humble awe and due reverence~
ñ The OLD TESTAMENT is a lot more than merely an historical reference. It chronicles Manís initial encounter and subsequent evolving covenants with God. AloneÖIT is an intimate encounter with GodÖwhile it also foreshadows and illuminates much in relation to the New (and final) Covenant inaugurated through the incarnation of Jesus Christ our Messiah.
ìThe Old Testament was written during a time when people needed strict guidance.î
ñ Öpeople, at ALL TIMES need strict guidance~
ìNot to mention, we had things like the Reformation and Enlightenment periods that reformed the church from it’s corruption and violence.î
ñ The Reformation and Enlightenment were NOT POSITIVES. While there were some auxiliary benefits to these developmentsÖthe prayer of Jesus (that we all need to hear) was that there would be Church unity to reflect the peace and perfection of Trinitarian unity (John 17:11). The advent of Protestantism, the split within the Body of Christ, was about as desirable as the situation that befell the 10 Lost Tribes~
To finish Jill is JUST DELUDED.
Her ROMANTIC VISIONS of Islam blind her to the BRUTAL TRUTH of Islam the rest of us seeÖand America has experienced first hand. Donít worry before the decade is out, she will likely betray her country in new, more profound ways.
Ösuch is the way of the liberal.
Okay JillÖtime to go away now, the DUMBULANCE is here~~

The Canadien on August 29, 2006 at 12:19 pm

The Candien,
First thing, I am not a religous scholar. All I was trying to say is that just because the Old Testament talks about owning slaves for example, does not mean Christians will actually think slavery is a good idea and sanctioned by the Bible. I don’t think the Old Testament is irrelevant, you’re right it does lay out the Word of God and foretells the coming of Jesus Christ but it’s not stressed very often. I can’t say I’ve ever been to Mass where we haven’t used the New Testament. However, I am not the best Catholic, my knowledge of the Bible definately needs to be improved upon. As I said earlier, I’ve heard many Muslims use the Old Testament as proof that Christianity is just as violent Islam. I was trying to give a simple explanation of why Christians don’t slay non-believers. I even looked up an example of what I was talking about. In Leviticus it talks about slavery and how to treat them, among other things. In the New Testament, it refers to slavery more as being a slave to God or being free from the slavery of sin or satin. So maybe I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous but at least I use my powers for good rather than evil.
As for the Reformation, I don’t know what I was thinking, I always mix up my periods. I meant the Council of Trent, where they abolished many abuses within the Catholic Church.
The Enlightenment had some negative effects against the church but the basis for Democracy came from this period. It was an age of reason and thinking, calculus, chemistry, economics, the right to freedom, all of these things rose from this period. This was the movement that brought us into modern thought. I don’t see it as all bad. The Middle East could use an Enlightenment period. Besides some wonderful music and artwork were produced during that time.
Oh, Jill Carroll needs to be exiled to Sudan.

Minnie Mouse on August 29, 2006 at 4:45 pm

Decent:
What term would YOU use to describe those that use children to carry suicide bombs into civilian areas and are taught in schools the ‘rightousness’ of such acts? What do you call parents who sell their children to carry out these acts for what, $5-50,000? How much to blow your kids up in the name of a ‘religion’ or a political advancement?
Stone a woman who cannot produce 4 MALE witnesses to her ‘rape’?
Legalistic Amputations of limbs.
Beheading or other methods of ‘conversion’ of non-believers.
Idolize one of the most hideous humans ever that stole billions from his OWN people and has yet to be held accountable. He raped his own people and yet his wife lives large in France? Many believe Arafat died of AIDS, yet no autopsy will ever been seen as it is a penalty (IF from homosexual behavior) calling for death in their “religion”. They still continue to put the blame of their pathetic conditons squarely on the shoulders of Isreal and the U.S.(Li’l Satan and Satan), justifying their continued terrorist attacks. Mosques (HOLY sites) used to launch attacks and store weapons since they know we respect these institutions.
One other IDEAL: Expressed by a Hezbollah operative quoted:
“Yes, we have inplaced (sic) our rockets in civilan places, and yes, if Israel tries to hit them they will probably kill civilians. THAT IS A GOOD THING. Iarael loses both ways. . .and we WIN both ways because the civilians become martrys.”
Sounds a LITTLE anti-semetic to me!
To identify Islam for what it is essential! Anything less is to basically condone or ignore the TRUTH of their mission and purpose, be an apologist, for their desire to dominate the world.
Nasir bin Hamd Al-Fahn, a Saudi “cleric” -May 2003- has issued the jihadists a ‘blessing’ to carry out the goal at a cost only currently limited to 10 MILLION lives. CNN-In The Footsteps of bin-Laden).
WHAT term(s) would be comfortable for you to use when describing people of this mindset?!

Grateful1 on August 31, 2006 at 8:43 am

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