July 8, 2010, - 2:27 pm

1939 All Over Again: Poland Sends Jew to Germany in Dubai HAMAS Case

By Debbie Schlussel

It’s trite but true.  The more things change, the more they stay the same.  And so it goes with the Poles, who are now turning over an Israeli Jew to Germany, because he’s allegedly remotely involved in the January assassination of HAMAS terrorist and Iran arms dealer Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh a/k/a Abu Abed.  The Muslim population of Poland, as small as it is, is growing . . . like it is everywhere else.  And the Poles are now on the side of the New Nazis.

Some Things Never Change: Islamic Terrorist with Israeli Hostages, Munich, Germany 1972:

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Polish with Israeli Hostage They’re Turning Over to Germany as Sop to Islamic Terrorists, Warsaw, Poland, 2010:

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Some things never change, despite the fact that Poland makes billions of dollars off Jewish and Israeli tourism and has shamelessly built quite an industry off the Holocaust it helped perpetrate.  Yet another reason to add to why my Polish Holocaust survivor grandfather, Isaac, didn’t want us to ever spend a penny in Poland (and I never will).

As many readers know, I am of 100% Polish Jewish descent.  Both sides of my family are from what was known as Galicia, a region consisting mostly of Poland, where many Jews–like some of my family–were poor farmers.  But none of them ever identified as Poles.  That’s because anti-Semitism in Poland was always rampant, and my grandparents and great-grandparents were never treated as fellow Poles . . . because they were Jewish.  Most of both sides of my family were wiped out by the Nazis because they were happily turned in by their eager Jew-hating Polish neighbors.  There’s a reason “Deutschfolk”–Poles of German descent–were so welcome and comfortable in Poland and helped usher in the Nazi era.

Yes, there were some good people–righteous gentiles–who risked their lives to try to save some members of my family and other Jews from the Nazis.  But they were the rare ones.  Most were all too happy to turn my family  and others in, simply because they hated Jews.  When my grandfather, Isaac, returned home, one day, to find the house empty after the Nazis hauled his parents and siblings to the death camps, he fled to neighbors who owed his parents money.

My great-grandfather was mayor of the town and owned a hardware store.  He was generous and extended poor Polish farmer neighbors extensive credit on tools and other items.  So, when my grandfather sought refuge, he chose one of the many to whom his father had been generous, and was hidden in their barn and grain silos.  On his second night there, he was thirsty and when it was dark out, he went to the house to ask for water.  Before he opened the door, he heard the neighbors who were hiding him say that the Nazis were giving out bottles of whiskey for each Jew turned in.  They wanted the whiskey and planned to turn my grandfather in for a bottle.  My grandfather fled and, fortunately, he ultimately survived the Holocaust and several concentration camp “stays.”

But now the Poles are repeating their old ways.  A Polish court, yesterday, approved extraditing Uri Brodsky to Germany, just like my grandparents were “extradited” to Bergen Belsen (concentration camp), Germany.  Brodsky is suspected of helping obtain a fake German passport used in the Abu Abed Dubai assassination. It’s interesting to note that while Germany willingly and happily released Hezbollah terrorist and murderer Mohammad Ali Hamadi (who torture-murdered Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem) to freedom (a story I broke on this site), they seek an Israeli who is wanted in connection with his passport, which may remotely be connected to the Abu Abed assassination.  Yup, Germany frees terrorist mastermind murderers, and they seek Israelis who freed the world from one of them.  Who needs the Munich Massacre, when you have 2010?

The bottom line, though, is that Poland–if it had a conscience–would not do to Uri Brodsky what it did to the Jews in the late ’30s and early ’40s and turn him in to the Germans.  But, yet again, Poland shows us that it merits its Rodney Dangerfield “no respect” status.  It has no guts as a country. Israel asked Poland not to extradite Brodsky, and Poland ignored Israel’s requests.

And while it’s immoral to turn over Israelis to a German kangaroo court for the “crime” of helping rid the world of a mass murderer, it’s also economically stupid.  Like I said, Poland makes billions off of Jewish tourism and commerce from its faux-shtetl biz.  It not only makes mucho direct Holocash from tours of Auschwitz and annual Jewish “March of the Living” events there, but it has reconstructed some of the storefronts of the Jewish towns it destroyed (because they were Jewish), to entice Israeli and other Jewish tourists to spend money on cafes, restaurants, and trinkets of a Jewish community that once was, but was totally destroyed with Polish cooperation.

Israel did the world a service by removing Abu Abed from this earth.  That Poland would now participate in the absurd German and world outrage over this shows me the country is no different than it was decades ago when my grandfather’s life was the Polish exchange rate for a bottle of whiskey.

Any Jew–or Christian who is against Islamic terrorism–with any self-respect should say no to Polish tourism.  Uri Brodsky saw where that takes  you:  right back to the same old Germany.

I won’t be saying Dzien dobry (Hello) or Jak sie masz (How do you do), anytime soon.  And neither should you.

Do widzenia, Poland.  Buh-bye.

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161 Responses

Thanks for sharing this difficult family story.

Mary Lou Welz on July 8, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Amen!

    JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:48 pm

Agreed. Some things never change. Would the Poles do this to an alleged Russian spy? Of course not.

Jews exist to be pushed around. The Russians aren’t.

That’s the difference and will be as long as this world exists.

NormanF on July 8, 2010 at 3:37 pm

This is disturbing…

What will become of him in the hands of the (Nazi) Germans?

As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm

I am of 50% descent from Jews who lived in Poland. However I do not consider myself of “Polish Jewish Descent” like you do. The Poles made it very clear they do not want us.

These people – The Poles (normally I use the derogatory word ending in “ak” but out of respect for this website I will not do so here) had a pogrom against Jewish survivors of the holocaust. I could mention other atrocities, but I will not. They disgust me.

My feelings about the Poles an be summed up by the following:

When the Solidarity movement was gaining strength in Poland during the 1980’s, there was a chance the Soviet Union would move in and crush the movement (like they had done in other places) if the Polish government gave in too much to Solidarity.

I hoped every day the Polish government would give in too much, causing the Soviet Union to invade. My wish was the Soviet army would massacre as many Poles as possible.

To all who do not like the sentiments I have expressed here – SCREW YOU, I don’t care.

I_AM_ME on July 8, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Your feelings are totally understandable. God bless you! I trust you are safe now (until the muzzies take over the whole world).

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    To “I_am_someone_who_needs_to_make_highly_controversial_remarks_so_that_people_will_finally_pay_attention_to_me”

    You are nothing but a complete tosser

    Conformer with a cause on July 10, 2010 at 2:15 pm

Israel, he may go to jail. Its interesting the Germans are pursuing this case even though when the Russians use false passports in secret operations, that is understood and forgiven. But if a Jew is accused of doing what every one else does, he must be punished.

Brodsky is a Jew after all. It tells us nothing has changed in Germany anymore than it has changed in Poland. The passage of the decades have taught both countries no real lessons to take to heart.

Being a Jew is still a crime.

NormanF on July 8, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Germany and Poland never got over losing WWII and has never given up its goal, and has returned to, killing Jews and taking Israel “back”. The Fourth Reich will come out of Germany as will the anti Christ who will demand people to worship him (Abomination of Desolation).

    I am sickened.

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:45 pm

pathetic how bring the holocaust into this to make people feel sorry for the poor old jews.
The mossad agents wouldn’t be in this situation had they not used fake european passports to commit a crime of state terrorism in another country.
long gone are the days when the israelis could do whatever the hell they pleased without having to answer any questions.

octavianasr on July 8, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Mo octavianasr

    Yes, shame on him for participating in the chain of events that eliminated on of YOUR most avid murderers.

    Now, go eat pork.

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    The mossad agents wouldn’t be in this situation had they not used fake european passports to commit a crime of state terrorism in another country.
    long gone are the days when the israelis could do whatever the hell they pleased without having to answer any questions.

    octavianasr on July 8, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    What days were those?

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:10 am

I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

Unfortunately Jewish visitors to Poland will probably keep going there just as tourists go to Cuba, China, Venezuela, Iran and all the other despicable countries.

This is made worse by so many Jewish leaders praising and visiting Poland.

Little Al on July 8, 2010 at 4:50 pm

The Mossad guys went into Dubai to TCB. (Take Care of Business) And, they did.
Trouble is, in this modern world, we are all shackled by all these national and international laws that sometimes enable the bad guys to hide behind the law.
If Israel and others keep the pressure on, I am sure something will be worked out so the agent will be released, or maybe get a little slap on the wrist.
Being a spy or any other type of covert agent for the good guys or the bad guys, is a very dangerous, thankless job.
I doubt if the Germans will be pulling the guy’s fingernails out or putting him in a concentration camp. Modern Germany is “politically correct”. Didn’t they just supply Israel with some state of the art, high tech and stealthy U boats?

RT on July 8, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    RT

    You have a lot of confidence in Nazis.

    I have none.

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:50 pm

octavianasr

nice name for a jewhater

Debbie once again tells it like it is…

Isahiah62 on July 8, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Isahiah62:
    that is the problem with extremists everywhere, if you are not with them then you are definitely against them.

    who said i hate jews, i just hate it when people use the holocaust as a way to justify all the crimes and murders committed by the state of israel.

    fact is mossad agents screwed their own allies by using fake passport in an operation to kill a man in a different country.

    what did you expect the europeans to do? congratulate the mossad?

    octavianasr on July 8, 2010 at 6:21 pm

      Mo Oc asked:

      what did you expect the europeans to do? congratulate the mossad?

      Actually, yes, because these actions elimiinated a man dangerous to non muzzies.

      Oh, that’s right: you’re a muzzie so youre in mourning.

      As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:52 pm

        keep thinking, that your country can do whatever it pleases without showing any respect to any international laws, and then come and cry that the whole world hates you.
        If you want people to respect you, then put it in your head once and for all, that the world doesnt turn around Israel who has been covered long enough by the west for all its despicable acts and its time that people start to hold it accountable.

        octavianasr on July 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm

          keep thinking, that your country can do whatever it pleases without showing any respect to any international laws, and then come and cry that the whole world hates you.

          Find me a country that respects international alw more than Israel does.

          If you want people to respect you, then put it in your head once and for all, that the world doesnt turn around Israel who has been covered long enough by the west for all its despicable acts and its time that people start to hold it accountable.

          What despicable acts?

          octavianasr on July 8, 2010 at 7:37 pm

          Reply

          Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:15 am

          Find me a country that respects international LAW more than Israel does.

          Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:48 am

          octavianasr (Fatima) sez:

          “keep thinking, that your country can do whatever it pleases without showing any respect to any international laws, and then come and cry that the whole world hates you.”

          The totalitarian cult that you call your “religion” is based on Apartheid and racism–and it is entirely inconsistent with any concept of “international law”–yet you want to play the victim?

          skzion on July 9, 2010 at 10:21 am

Questions about Jews and Poland.

Why did so many Poles hate Jews? (And some still do)

Were there not Poles who attempted to hide and protect Jews from the Nazis during the war?

RT on July 8, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Were there not Poles who attempted to hide and protect Jews from the Nazis during the war?

    RT on July 8, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Ms. Schlussel admits that there were.

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:17 am

how could you say that the poles are on the side of the nazis. debbie you are a truely ridicules person the poles fought hard to overturn oppression by both the nazis and the soviets and won. now that poland is a free country you want it to harbour assasins as someone also of polish decent who has visited poland several times in the past few years i disagree with about every comment you make and before you accuse my or any of my relatives who survived the siberian labour camps anti-semetic my family is close friends with a jewish-pole here who is widely acceredited with building up the community for both new polish immegrants and survivors of the horrors of WW2.

j on July 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    j on July 8, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    DS had first-hand experience with Pole hatred of Jewish people. That’s HOW.

    You’re another Mo.

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    j is another subliterate Mohammedan. Imagine a world without Islam!

    skzion on July 8, 2010 at 8:35 pm

The revival of anti-Semitism is a truly disturbing development but, let’s face it; it never really went away.

The only “justice” I can envision is when the Europeans finally awaken to realize they’ve traded a harmless, indeed beneficial minority for one that REALLY IS intent on destroying the European culture (and all Western culture, for that matter), something they’ve unjustly accused the Jews of for millenia. Now, now it’s really happening, thanks to the increase in Europe’s Muslim population (was there ever “no-go” zones in the Jewish areas like there are in the modern European Muslim enclaves?) and European accomodation and appeasement (You’re right. Here’s another example of “things that never change”).

Tom in Michigan on July 8, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    There was never such concessions for ANY group that the muzzies have gotten.

    It is inexplicable WHY any country would want muzzies there. They need to be herded up and sent some place. All of them in one place away from the rest of the world.

    As goes Israel - so goes the World on July 8, 2010 at 6:56 pm

It’s disgusting what Poland is doing — but isn’t Germany equally to blame here (if not, perhaps, even more so)? Typically these matters never “go public” — it’s quietly hushed up (that is, in the past, the Germans would never have made a public fuss and demanded that Poland hand over the person in question.) So, it’s Germany going public on this matter which is also problematic — and to further compound the problem, the Dubai government could turn around and demand that Germany hand him over — hence, you’d get the Germans handing over a Jew to the modern day equivalent of the nazis. Thus, the terrorist supporting state of Dubai then prosecutes those who fight terrorists. Completely upside down. Yet more of the backward, regressive, “justice” of Europe.

J.S. on July 8, 2010 at 6:56 pm

Remember that word ‘allegedly.’

There’s still no proof that this was a Mossad or even Israeli operation, though we would all like to believe that. It’s just as possible that Abu Abed was popped by someone else and the ‘pictures’ of faked passports are equal bullturd.

luagha on July 8, 2010 at 7:02 pm

It’s not like Israel would actually DO anything that would make the Poles or Germans think three times before doing this.

This is what happens when a European domestic constituency (the Muslims) threaten and perpetrate violence while Israel panders to Muslims and expels Jews from their homes. Israel has a responsibility, at minimum, to educate the West about Islam. It refuses to, and that is on reason why the West is so confused.

skzion on July 8, 2010 at 8:34 pm

Sorry Debs but if you do the crime you have to do the time. To compare the plight of Brodsky to your grandparents is just plain wrong. The worst thing about being anti-Muslim is not what it does to Muslims but what it does to you.

Norman Blitzer on July 8, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Re:

    “Sorry Debs but if you do the crime you have to do the time. …”

    Norman Blitzer on July 8, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Do you mean the “crime” against evil?

    JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    [NB – The worst thing about being anti-Muslim is not what it does to Muslims but what it does to you.]

    Even worse is what Muslims themselves due to you. That is why it is healthy to be anti-Muslim.

    I_AM_ME on July 8, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Sorry Debs but if you do the crime you have to do the time. To compare the plight of Brodsky to your grandparents is just plain wrong.

    Good point.

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:20 am

Poland and the rest of the world should be thanking Israel and giving awards to those individual involved–for performing a service of exterminating the Hamas insect. But, instead, this BS.

Another instance where no good deed goes unpunished.

Does anyone remember when CNN had a show, the Capital Gang (now defunct), where they had an “Outrage of the Week” segment? Well, I say that this act by Poland is a good candidate for that award.

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 8:55 pm

[Do you mean the “crime” against evil?

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm]

If the killing of a Hamas agent occurred in NYC, what do you think the response would have been of American law enforcement agencies? Do you think Mayor Bloomberg would have said,”Good Riddance”?

Norman Blitzer on July 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    [NB – If the killing of a Hamas agent occurred in NYC, what do you think the response would have been of American law enforcement agencies? Do you think Mayor Bloomberg would have said,”Good Riddance”]

    Funny you should ask that. That is basically what happened to the assassin of Rabbi Meir Kahane Z”L HY”D. Do I detect a double standard?

    By the way, if this were to have happened and you were serious instead of your question you would ask why a Hamas agent was allowed in NYC in the first place.

    I_AM_ME on July 8, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    If the killing of a Hamas agent occurred in NYC, what do you think the response would have been of American law enforcement agencies? Do you think Mayor Bloomberg would have said,”Good Riddance”?

    Norman Blitzer on July 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Probably not.

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:53 am

Okay, Norman Blitzer, how about this question:

Suppose during World War II someone had killed Hitler in New York City? Should that person(s) be prosecuted?

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    @JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    No, of course not, BUT,
    as per ‘Norman Blitzer on July 8, 2010 at 9:13 pm': “what do you think the response would have been of American law enforcement agencies?”
    …probably the same

    theShadow on July 8, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Suppose during World War II someone had killed Hitler in New York City? Should that person(s) be prosecuted?

    JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Reply

    Hitler, y’mach shemo, never was IN New York City. There’s a story around that Ho Chi Minh, who, it is often forgotten, was a mass murderer, worked, as a young man, in a hotel in Boston. There’s no doubt that Fidel Castro, aged around 20, worked as a film extra.

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:27 am

      Castro also attended Harvard and at the time Cuba was a friend of the US. He made several trips to the US to try to garner support but Eisenhower wouldn’t give it. It was really J. Edgar who wouldn’t allow it because Cuba was virtually owned by the Mob for years. Castro returned embittered and turned against what he thought was a friend with whom he could co-exist despite differences.

      mk750 on July 9, 2010 at 4:53 am

      Re:

      [Hitler, y’mach shemo, never was IN New York City….]

      Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:27 am

      I know that. My question was a hypothetical one.

      JeffE on July 9, 2010 at 7:27 am

Sadly, the Shadow, you are probably right.

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 10:50 pm

Seems that quite a few here are thoroughly unaware of how the spy world operates. So you think the Brits brought the murderer of Litvinenko to justice, eh? as I laugh.

J.S. on July 8, 2010 at 10:55 pm

@JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Total Bummer…
I was hoping for someone to prove me wrong.
…sometimes it pays to be wrong, you know…

theShadow on July 8, 2010 at 11:02 pm

@the Shadow.

My main point was that in the case of that in response to NB’s question to me was that just like had Hitler been killed in NYC during WWII, that the person(s) responsible wouldn’t and shouldn’t be prosecuted, that so too that had a Hamas agent been killed in NYC, then the person(s) responsible shouldn’t be prosecuted either, that there’s no moral difference between the two. I know that you get that. I was partially joking in my response to you, but given some recent events, well, you know…

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Re: my 11:19 pm. Sorry that the first line of my post was garbled.

It should read:

“My main point was that in response to NB’s question to me was that just like had Hitler been killed in NYC during WWII,…”

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Unfortunatelly morality, and “justice” don’t always walk hand in hand.
…not this time anyway.

theShadow on July 8, 2010 at 11:50 pm

@ the Shadow:

Agreed.

JeffE on July 8, 2010 at 11:53 pm

Some things never change, despite the fact that Poland makes billions of dollars off Jewish and Israeli tourism and has shamelessly built quite an industry off the Holocaust it helped perpetrate.

Does anyone besides me know the Latin word for “central heating system?” I’ll check in an hour or two if anyone does. I think you’ll agree with me that it’s relevant.

There’s a reason “Deutschfolk”–Poles of German descent–were so welcome and comfortable in Poland and helped usher in the Nazi era.

Didn’t the Poles (and the Czechs) then kick their ethnic Germans out, after the war?

And while it’s immoral to turn over Israelis to a German kangaroo court for the “crime” of helping rid the world of a mass murderer, it’s also economically stupid.

It won’t be a kangaroo court. A kangaroo court is a spur-of-the-moment proceeding, thrown together by soldiers on a battlefield or convicts in a prison. It doesn’t pretend to be abiding by the rules of law. This will be a star chamber proceeding.

Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 1:59 am

    Does anyone besides me know the Latin word for “central heating system?”

    HYPOCAUST. I’m 99.99% sure there’s one in the Roman bath on Masada.

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 3:09 am

      Yes, the Romans installed them in all their baths. Quite sophisticated engineering using conductivity of the warm air thru ducts to rise and disperse.

      mk750 on July 9, 2010 at 4:56 am

I am proud of my Polish Christian relatives who protected Jews during World War II Poland at the risk of their lives, and that of their family. Indeed it was a minority that did so, but I would not expect more to risk their lives for others in such a situation in any other country. Likewise, under such circumstances, one can expect a minority to collaborate with the enemy for the purpose of survival and personal gain.

Let’s not also forget that Poland was the first country to fight the Nazis and just as many Polish Christians as Polish Jews died during WWII.

Would I have had the courage to do as my parents did, if I were in their situation? I would like to think so but came to conclusion that this would definitely not be the case if I at least did not take a stand somewhere on behalf of Palestinians suffering ethnic cleansing, aparteid, and gradual genocide committed by the state of Israel.

Therefore I appeal to Jews and Christians alike to take a lesson from the holocaust – speak up for those who are occupied, and oppressed, regardless of who they might be. Only then do we have a chance to make this a truly better world. Otherwise history will not look very favorably at any of us.

Adam on July 9, 2010 at 6:27 am

    Adam (Mohammed) you are quite the liar, aren’t you? Well, I guess all Muslims are. The problem with the Fakestinians is not their “ethnicity” but the totalitarian cult of Islam. That is why Islam must be rolled back to Arabia and then ended there.

    Well, let me say that Fakestinians really ARE especially evil, even for Muslims, because they are “good Muslims,” meaning they take Islam seriously. So, I admit that I would be pleased to cleanse the Land of them, if necessary by force. Israel’s great sin is not to have done so by now.

    skzion on July 9, 2010 at 10:33 am

Debbie,

The above post is shameful. I know Poland and I also know Israel counts it as a close ally. The Germans are even closer. Germany regularly vetoes the more pro-Palestinian policies of the European Union. The constant references to WWII are tiresome and boring. Israel faked the passports of friendly nations and bumped off an all edged terrorists. You cannot have agents from any country blatantly going around assassinating people. If Israel does it then Iran will do it as will North Korea. Israel’s strong hand is that it is a democracy where democracy and justice prevail in stark contrast to its neighbours.The Dubai incident undermines that.

Debbie you claim to speak many languages and be well traveled and have what looks like a very impressive resume. That is what makes the above post very disappointing in its ignorance and incitement. I lived in Poland and met many Poles who risked everything to help Jews. There are more Poles at the shrine of the Righteous Gentiles than any other nationality. Your comparison of the extradition of Brodsky on foot of a warrant from one western democracy to another to Jews being sent to Belsen makes you look like a crank and a conspiracy nut.

Clanrickard on July 9, 2010 at 7:08 am

Re:

[“… You cannot have agents from any country blatantly going around assassinating people. If Israel does it then Iran will do it as will North Korea.”

Clanrickard on July 9, 2010 at 7:08 am]

You mean like because Israel has treatened to wipe Iran off the face of the earth, that that is why Iran has responded by doing the same to Israel.

Oh, wait a minute. Israel never did threaten to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. Which means that when Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, that they did that uniliaterally. So then explain your logic in the part of your post I quoted above quote, again?

Also, Israel will quit killing terrorists when the terrorists and the Muslim nations sponsoring them quit their illogical, insane and evil war against Israel. Or, to put it another way, if the Islamic states and teir terrorist organizations puts down their arms first, then there will be peace. If Israel puts down its arms first, then there will be another Holocaust (G-d forbid).

JeffE on July 9, 2010 at 8:09 am

    JeffE,

    Your post is all over the place so I don’t quite get what you are on about. Israel is a democracy and is founded on a belief in laws as are Western countries generally. They then went and used passports from Australia, Ireland, the UK and Germany (countries with which Israel does a lot of trade and which are broadly sympathetic to Israel) to carry our an assassination of a suspected Hamas member in Dubai. They gave the two fingers to these countries putting their citizens in danger and then carried out an illegal operation. Now Israel can waffle all it likes about it being in peril but the fact remains what it did was illegal and made it look like the actions of a rogue state.

    That old chestnut about Israel being on the brink of being wiped out is past its sell by date. Israel’s army is bigger and more technologically advanced than its neighbours and has little to fear from them. What it should fear is sympathy for it slipping away until it is isolated. Operations like this hasten that day.

    Clanrickard on July 9, 2010 at 8:47 am

      Re:

      “JeffE,

      Your post is all over the placeYour post is all over the place so I don’t quite get what you are on about.”

      I was trying to respond to your point about that if Israel does (X), then so will other nations. I was trying to show that this is not so.

      “That old chestnut about Israel being on the brink of being wiped out is past its sell by date. Israel’s army is bigger and more technologically advanced than its neighbours and has little to fear from them.”

      I disagree. Only when when the Islamic states and their terrorist groups announce and follow up in deed that they are ending their war against Israel and recognizing Israel’s right to exist will Israel have nothing to fear from them.

      “What [Israel] should fear is sympathy for it slipping away until it is isolated. Operations like this hasten that day.”

      You might have a point if it were that Israel has failed to better state its case for why she has done what she has. However, I contend that the world knows why Israel has acted the way that she has, but doesn’t care.

      JeffE on July 9, 2010 at 9:01 am

        Jeff,

        Many people have sympathy for Israel but it is losing the public opinion battle in many countries. You are correct that it is up to Islamic countries to recognise Israel but as long as the West backs Israel particularly the US and Germany there is little they can do. Faking passports and embarrassing the VP is not the best way to respect your friends. Forging passports is wrong. End of. Israel needs to win the PR battle by doing the right things and being seen to be right.

        Clanrickard on July 9, 2010 at 10:40 am

      Oh spare me, Clanrickard. The countries of Europe, to varying degrees, coddle Muslims who wage war against Israel. This is an unfriendly act — and, if any of the Euros attended to “international law”–an illegal act. So don’t blather about “international law” in defense of the Euros.

      Furthermore, anyone who knows anything about spycraft knows that countries create fake passports for their spies. This is emphatically the case for Muslim dictatorships. Yet we almost never see public brouhahas about it. Behind the scenes trade-offs are by far the most common. So, if Israel did create these fake passports (and I hope so), there is nothing newsworthy here.

      Finally, I’m sorry, but Euros recruit and subsidize killer Muslims to live in Europe. So it’s not like any of the Euros actually care about danger to their citizens from Muslim sources. You will recall that this is the “danger” the Euros claim from the illegal passports.

      skzion on July 9, 2010 at 10:43 am

        skzion,

        Normally I don’t reply to total rants but I will ask you two questions.

        You said
        “Finally, I’m sorry, but Euros recruit and subsidize killer Muslims to live in Europe.”

        Can you provide a link and explain what this means? Are killer Muslims like killer bees? Or do you think sticking killer before them makes them sound really bad? There is no recruitment of Muslim by any EU country I know of.

        Secondly you said the extradition of Brodsky was illegal. Explain why so.

        Clanrickard on July 9, 2010 at 1:29 pm

          Clanricard sez:

          “Normally I don’t reply to total rants but I will ask you two questions.”

          Normally, I don’t waste too much time dealing with sanctimonious chatterers. You have not addressed my points.

          “Can you provide a link and explain what this means? Are killer Muslims like killer bees? Or do you think sticking killer before them makes them sound really bad? There is no recruitment of Muslim by any EU country I know of.”

          Actually, sticking “killer” in front of “Muslims” is redundant. Pretty much like sticking “sanctimonious chatterer” would be if placed after “European.”

          Anyway, you’re an idiot. The Euros have been recruiting Muslims for decades now as cheap labor, and to keep Muslim notables in “the Mediterranean region” happy. You can read about the sordid business in great detail in Bat Ye’or’s book Eurabia.

          “Secondly you said the extradition of Brodsky was illegal. Explain why so.”

          Huh?

          skzion on July 9, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    JeffE, notice how Clan doesn’t engage your arguments? Imagine the IQ of someone who claims, apparently, that Israel is the great role model of N. Korea and the various Islamic despotisms! For if these countries would only do such nasty things if Israel did them first, then Israel really is their great role model.

    And of course, as you say, these nasty regimes take the lead in threatening everyone in Israel, the US, and so on, when Israel has done nothing of the kind. Obviously, these regimes do not follow in Israel’s footsteps.

    I do not know if Clan is a Muslim, but if not, he sure seems to be a European leftist chatterer (ugh!).

    skzion on July 10, 2010 at 2:52 pm

Now I know why it takes so many Poles to change a light bulb. :-)

Globe_Warmer on July 9, 2010 at 8:27 am

    And they finally got their recipe back for making ice cubes. :-)

    Jarhead on July 9, 2010 at 6:19 pm

Re: my 9:01 am post.

Sorry for the double paste on the beginning of the post.

JeffE on July 9, 2010 at 9:11 am

Finally had a chance to read this in its entirety.

Another great piece, Debbie!

Keep up the great work!

David on July 9, 2010 at 10:00 am

[So don’t blather about “international law” in defense of the Euros.
skzion on July 9, 2010 at 10:43 am]

I wouldn’t dismiss Clanrickard’s points so callously. It puts the countries of the passports used in an awkward position. Read about the attempted assasination of HAMAS leader Khaled Mashal in 1997. Canada ignored that its passports were being used by Mossad. The Jordanians caught the would-be assassins and embarrassed the Canadian government.

Norman Blitzer on July 9, 2010 at 11:39 am

“Were there not Poles who attempted to hide and protect Jews from the Nazis during the war?

RT on July 8, 2010 at 4:59 pm

Ms. Schlussel admits that there were.

Miranda Rose Smith on July 9, 2010 at 2:17 am”

In most cases, they helped because they were well bribed.

Also, both Islam and X-tianity have a lot more in common with each other than with Judaism. Both their Bibles either relegate the Jewish people as ignorant bystanders or prophet killers, and both were tools of domestic and foreign policy.

Oh… and both stole from the Torah. Shame shame.

Mind you, because people’s minds get warped because of dogma and ideology, I became an agnostic. Yet what was done by Poland to appease the Teutonic overlords is beyond inexcusable and should be addressed ASAP.

I wonder if there was a real ulterior motive for encouraging Israeli/Jewish tourism in Poland?

The "Reverend" Jacques on July 9, 2010 at 2:39 pm

Meanwhile the Russian spies who used fake passports to spy on America are being released back to Russia. And Jonathan Pollard remains in prison where he has been for more than 25 years.

Laura on July 9, 2010 at 3:32 pm

Miranda Rose Smith, just like those Russian spies are paying for their crime of spying on America using fake passports? And besides, what “crime” did Israel commit by snuffing out a terrorist?

Laura on July 9, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Great info on history of how Polish treated Jews.

CaliforniaScreaming on July 9, 2010 at 3:53 pm

Dear Ms Schlussel, Let me first express my deepest sorrow for suffering which was inflicted on Your family during WWII. I believe that my sorrow is shared by millions of Poles.
I can only be sorry for the decision of Polish government to extradite Israeli man to Germany. Please consider however that this government did not get 100 percent of support by Poles but only less than half. That is why a coalition was needed to be formed. There is other half of Poles, who do not support those policies.
You may know that not all of Poles were anti-Semites. And I dare to say not even majority. I think You know that Poles are majority on the list of Righteous among the nations, those who saved Jewish people from Holocaust. There are 6135 Poles who precede well 4947 people in Holland, where there was not a capital punishment for helping Jews. Such punishment threatened only Poles in among all of occupied nations. You maybe familiar with the story of Irena Sendler who saved 2500 Jewish children from Warsaw Ghetto. There are many such stories. After 1989 when Poles after WWII for the first time had an influence on their state they started to rebuild Jewish districts and cemeteries – kirkuts. Many christian, Protestant churches participated in still unknown operation called Exobus. Thousand s Jewish people, according to Polish-Israeli agreement, were brought from former USSR to Poland to have shelter while they were waiting for state’s papers to be able to enter Israel. Present Diaspora Minister Nathan Sharansky told me in interview and then repeated it that thanks to that operation Israel received new, young, talented and professional people. One family whom I known personally lent their farm to several Jewish families and sponsor their stay there. Those stories are well documented. I had also privilege to participate in that great operation. Then when flood destroyed houses of Jewish community in Lower Silesia and also synagogue in Wroclaw my friends from Churches in Germany and Poland provided those families with new furniture, refrigerators, washing-machines etc but most of all many Poles showed those people their love and care. I can also talk about many Jewish-Polish festivals and Jewish or Yiddish in Cracow, Lublin or Lodz where thousands of Poles are coming to join Jewish people. In 2000 Polish government established Institute of National Remembrance. It closely cooperates with Yad Vashem and other Israeli historical institutions. I was very happy when my president who was killed in plane crash in April, Lech Kaczynski, stood up against EU nations who criticizing Israeli right to self-defence. You may know that Poland vetoed “help” to PA. Pres. Kaczynski said that it has to be proved first that it won’t be a sponsorship of terrorist organizations. You may also know that Poland formed committee which closely cooperates with all of Israeli organizations and American Jews organizations to fully restore ownership rights to what was stolen by communist regime which portrayed itself as a representative of Polish nation but it never verified its claimed status during free elections. You may know that Israel called Poland as its great friend of what I was really happy. I can continue with giving examples that are contrary to Your very harsh assessment of whole Poland as an antisemitic country and Poles are nothing but antisemitic.
I can assure You that many, many Poles certainly me and all of my friends have love and respect for Jewish people. We want to deal with our history honestly. I believe historical research should be continued but also there should be more opportunities to make friendships between Poles and Jews. It is certainly what is in my heart.
With highest respect,
Your Reader
(name known to publisher)

Tom on July 9, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    “Tom,” that was eloquent and heartfelt. Thank you for your efforts. Alas, most of your countrymen on this site are obviously Jew-haters.

    skzion on July 10, 2010 at 3:02 pm

Hatred is blinding and addictive, Debbie.

Dube on July 10, 2010 at 12:13 am

So Skzion your reply to my question asking that you explain how the extradition of Brodsky was illegal was “Huh?” Enough said. If you are reduced to quoting Bat Ye’or you are beyond help.

Clanrickard on July 10, 2010 at 4:53 am

    Clanrickard, someone who dismisses Bat Ye’or’s work is himself beyond help.

    So far, you have not engaged ANY of the arguments by ANYONE here.

    For example, I said “The countries of Europe, to varying degrees, coddle Muslims who wage war against Israel. This is an unfriendly act — and, if any of the Euros attended to “international law”–an illegal act.”

    You somehow read this as my saying that Brodsky was dealt with illegally. I said nothing of the kind. I said that coddling Muslims who wage war against Israel, a sovereign state, is illegal. It is an act of war. You are free to argue against this point, but you are not free to misconstrue it into a straw man or use it to deflect attention from the point being made. Given how anti-Israel the Euros are, I’m not too concerned when Israel responds in a not-nice way.

    I said that creation of fake passports is a standard practice in spycraft. That is why this matter is usually handled in a low-key way–except when Israel is even possibly involved. You have nothing to say. At least spare me the righteous indignation. Of course, since you hate Jews, you will find any pretext to wax indignant. So will at least some Poles.

    I said that Euros recruit Muslims, and you asked for a link. I gave you a serious author whose work is plentifully sourced, but you reject it without explanation. But even if you dismiss Ye’or’s thesis regarding how and why Muslims poured into Europe, it’s impossible–even for you–to deny the phenomenon, just as it is impossible to deny that Mexicans pour into the US. Just as US officials are responsible for the consequences, so too are European officials. These Muslims are rampaging in Europe, and the indifference of nearly all European elites to the consequences for their citizens is obvious. For any of these elites to worry suddenly that a few of their citizens might be picked on because they show up as a false identify on a passport is ridiculous.

    It is also ridiculous, by the way, to refuse to extradite convicted jihadis (commonly done in Europe) but to allow extradition of someone (Brodsky) who is suspected of possibly being related to an assassination of a known murderer that may, or may not, have been done by Israel. I expect a country to get nasty when its nationals are treated this way.

    Enough. You are either a Muslim or a leftist. I will spend no more time with you.

    skzion on July 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm

Here’s a good article on the Polish contribution to the holocaust.

http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/special_reports/?content_id=5962

Conformer with a cause on July 10, 2010 at 6:57 am

    Conformer,

    I hope Debbie reads this and apologises for the scurrilous article above.

    Clanrickard on July 10, 2010 at 7:48 am

      Clanrickard,

      If I was you I wouldn’t hold my breathe….

      Conformer with a cause on July 10, 2010 at 8:53 am

Young lady
In your article you committed few errors.
let me clear the mistakes:
1.Brodsky is not a “hostage”
he is a murderer and assassin wanted by Interpol .
2. The “Black September group who killed several Israeli sportsmen during the Olympic games was set up ,controlled and manipulated by Mossad.
Since many years it is a public secret.
I wonder how could you missed this knowledge?

I hope the Jews will listen to you advice and leave Poland as soon as possible.
They are not welcome there.
Not because they are Jews but because of their tribal,arrogant and Nazi -like character who is looking with utter contempt at everybody but Jews.
It was like that before the war .During the communist era ,despite the fact that most of ‘polish’ government raping and robbing Poland were Jews with Polish name you could not show you face .
Now ,after so called “revolution” Jews behave in Poland worse than Nazis did.
So far you don’t hunt us a you do with Palestinians but -I bet -you will be happy to do so.
It want work.
Russian tried-and lost.
Germans tried and lost
Tell you tribal mates to leave Poland.
Where would they go-I don’t care.
Germany- at present totally under your yoke -is next to but from what I hear very soon even the Germans will tell you:”Raus”
Americans are ready to do the same.
Madagascar?
I hope not.It is a beautiful country .
What’s then?
“Holocaust” myth is dead.
Very soon more and more people will realize that.
And then you will be in BIG trouble.
I hope my activity will help to speed up the process .
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewforum.php?f=36

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek

Jerzy Ulicki-Rek. on July 10, 2010 at 7:57 am

There’s nothing wrong with quoting Bat Yeor.

Now I see the anti-Semites are coming out of the woodwork.

Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:32 am

Debbie has nothing to apologize for. She is speaking of her own family experience. The pollacks collaborated with the nazis in the genocide of the Jews. The pollacks have been among the world’s worst anti-Semites.

Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:34 am

“Hatred is blinding and addictive, Debbie.

Dube on July 10, 2010 at 12:13 am”
…………………………………..
Hey dube, tell that to your pollack friends.

Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:35 am

“Tell you tribal mates to leave Poland”.
…………………………………………
It will be Poland’s loss of course. The loss of Jews in Poland along with other countries in Europe, represented an enormous brain drain. Israel has achieved more in science and technology in 62 years than Poland has in its entire history. You are inferior and you know it. The presence of Jews and their achievements only illumimakes your own inadequecy. That is why you want them gone. You got that, dumb pollack.

Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:48 am

    That word should read “illuminates”.

    Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:50 am

It will be Poland’s loss of course. The loss of Jews in Poland along with other countries in Europe, represented an enormous brain drain. Israel has achieved more in science and technology in 62 years than Poland has in its entire history. You are inferior and you know it. The presence of Jews and their achievements only illuminates your own inadequecy. That is why you want them gone. You got that, dumb pollack.

Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “The pollacks collaborated with the nazis in the genocide of the Jews. The pollacks have been among the world’s worst anti-Semites. The presence of Jews and their achievements only illumimakes your own inadequecy. You are inferior and you know it. You got that, dumb pollack.”
    Laura on July 10, 2010 at 11:34 am to July 10, 2010 at 11:53 am

    You go girl! You tell him! Lie through your teeth and blame it all on the “pollacks” and let them know where they stand, those inferior bastards! Divide and conquer. Spoken like a true NAZI! OK, next you spread the rumour about the Jews killing and sacrificing babies. That one always gets them. Now go practice your goosestep for the next parade.

    Better yet, do just a little reaserch before you go spouting off you ignorant prejudiced twit.

    theShadow on July 11, 2010 at 12:52 am

It’s very sad and tragic what Mr Ulicki says. It is completely uncomprehending for me. I can’t understand it. I dare to say that Sir, you are greatly misrepresenting Poles. You are using name Fighting Poland for which both Poles and Jews paid with his blood. Just go to newest museum of Warsaw Uprising and learn something. You are very very deeply mistaken my Friend. Please differentiate between actions of people and not nations or races. And please, please change Your attitude to Jewish people.

Tom on July 10, 2010 at 12:49 pm

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