Comments on: “Where’s Seinfeld?”: TSA Liquid Rules Get Even More Ridiculous http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:09:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: t combshttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-458208 t combs Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:06:51 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-458208 Watched as TSA forced an elderly woman through a "microscanner" then beaten an elderly man who became confused at the instructions being snapped/yelled at him in the same device. I was appalled and made the comment they "were acting like Nazi's" I was immediately surrounded by four TSA guards until the supervisors supervisor arrived and held until a picture was presumably taken of me then I was released. Later I found scissors in my carry on. What clowns. Watched as TSA forced an elderly woman through a “microscanner” then beaten an elderly man who became confused at the instructions being snapped/yelled at him in the same device. I was appalled and made the comment they “were acting like Nazi’s” I was immediately surrounded by four TSA guards until the supervisors supervisor arrived and held until a picture was presumably taken of me then I was released. Later I found scissors in my carry on. What clowns.

]]> By: Tifffany Olsonhttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-169123 Tifffany Olson Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:42:40 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-169123 You wrote : "So, why does the TSA keep frying the innocent non-Muslim American traveling public?"It is offensively ignorant and bigoted to assume that all Muslims should be treated as suspected terrorists. If you really feel that it would be OK if the TSA was only "frying" the Muslim Americans, you might like to expedite the profiling process by forcing them to wear identifying symbols on their sleeves! Treating people differently because of their religion is very un-American - this country was founded on religious freedom. You wrote : “So, why does the TSA keep frying the innocent non-Muslim American traveling public?”

It is offensively ignorant and bigoted to assume that all Muslims should be treated as suspected terrorists. If you really feel that it would be OK if the TSA was only “frying” the Muslim Americans, you might like to expedite the profiling process by forcing them to wear identifying symbols on their sleeves! Treating people differently because of their religion is very un-American – this country was founded on religious freedom.

]]> By: About That Drink: Yet Again, TSA, Airports Give Britney Spears Special Treatmenthttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-126648 About That Drink: Yet Again, TSA, Airports Give Britney Spears Special Treatment Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:36:53 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-126648 [...] hassles).  But I know the rules, and I’ve always willingly complied.  And I’ve written repeatedly on how stupid and ineffective these rules are (here, here, and [...] [...] hassles).  But I know the rules, and I’ve always willingly complied.  And I’ve written repeatedly on how stupid and ineffective these rules are (here, here, and [...]

]]> By: ButterflyGlitterhttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-21989 ButterflyGlitter Thu, 10 May 2007 18:41:23 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-21989 OK just to make sure I clearly understand your post and some of the .. umm.. "responses"... "If you are NOT American and ESPECIALLY if you are Muslim, regardless of gender and age, then you are NOT innocent and should be considered a terrorist suspect" ?!! OK just to make sure I clearly understand your post and some of the .. umm.. “responses”…
“If you are NOT American and ESPECIALLY if you are Muslim, regardless of gender and age, then you are NOT innocent and should be considered a terrorist suspect” ?!!

]]> By: Stealthkixhttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-21988 Stealthkix Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:45:01 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-21988 Whenever I travel by air I always use tan-in-a-bottle and a fake beard and wrap some underwear around my head, I go through the security check with no problems. Whenever I travel by air I always use tan-in-a-bottle and a fake beard and wrap some underwear around my head, I go through the security check with no problems.

]]> By: FSM-FTW!(descent)http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-21987 FSM-FTW!(descent) Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:21:23 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-21987 I'm a "lefty" but agree with profiling. Why? Because sometimes safety > political correctness I’m a “lefty” but agree with profiling. Why? Because sometimes safety > political correctness

]]> By: J-Linhttp://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-21986 J-Lin Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:18:07 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-21986 My wife and I traveled this weekend from Jacksonvile to Seattle and experienced the same thing. A female TSA marched up and down the line bellowing in bored intonations all of the rules ad nauseam. She was doing her job which I'm grateful for but the hip dude behind me muttered "TSA nazi". mmmmm I took the bait. "You would think the government would get a clue and simply adopt the Israeli profiling techniques. It would save lots of time, and money, and reduce the bureaucracy.", I said. You would think I suggested we make George Bush Supreme Emperor of the Universe. He blanched and choked out a lame protest. Go figure. Lefties are such poor thinkers. Their ultimate fear is a "nazi" bureaucrat? For g_d's sake don't ever let these fools get in a position of power. My wife and I traveled this weekend from Jacksonvile to Seattle and experienced the same thing. A female TSA marched up and down the line bellowing in bored intonations all of the rules ad nauseam. She was doing her job which I’m grateful for but the hip dude behind me muttered “TSA nazi”. mmmmm I took the bait. “You would think the government would get a clue and simply adopt the Israeli profiling techniques. It would save lots of time, and money, and reduce the bureaucracy.”, I said. You would think I suggested we make George Bush Supreme Emperor of the Universe. He blanched and choked out a lame protest. Go figure. Lefties are such poor thinkers. Their ultimate fear is a “nazi” bureaucrat? For g_d’s sake don’t ever let these fools get in a position of power.

]]> By: FSM-FTW!(descent)http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/comment-page-1/#comment-21985 FSM-FTW!(descent) Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:53:17 +0000 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2570/wheres-seinfeld-tsa-liquid-rules-get-even-more-ridiculous/#comment-21985 You know, it is absurd. I left to visit my father in Houston about two weeks ago, and I had forgot to throw my cologne in my suitcase, so I tossed it in my carry on bag. Also in my bag were my iPod, blackberry, and nintendo ds. So, I go to security check out and they ask if I have any liquids. Completely forgetting about the cologne, I said no. By the way, it also wasn't in a bag. They ran my bag through the x-ray machine, and the girl stopped on it for a while, and then called for a bag check. They took me aside and went through my bag. I thought that maybe some of my electronics had set it off. But no, they went through until they found my SMALL(maybe a 4-5 ounce bottle) of cologne that had maybe less than 4 tablespoons of liquid LEFT IN IT, and told me to either check it, or toss it. I figured I may as well toss it-I'm not going through the trouble to check a bottle of cologne. It was a minor inconvience-albiet, I feel at least, an unnecessary one. Since when is every one a fucking McGuyver? Needless to say, it's just another of the many folleys of the TSA and their flawed "security"(pshya, right) system. Debbie, did you hear about the guy that created the fake Northwest Airlines boarding pass generator?(all he did was automate the process, really, the boarding passes that you print out online are easily modifiable via changing their html by hand. HTML is the most basic/simple for of web design code there is) Anyways, the point of the generator was to show that the no-fly lists are bullshit. You put in a phony name on the generator, tell the TSA security baffoon you don't have your id(since they're not allowed to require them) and, if you successfully pass the screening, you're on your way into the secure area. For pointing out this crucial flaw, the author of the generator was not rewarded for exposing these "security measures" as simply a way to make the TSA look like it was doing something, but instead, the FBI seized all of his computer equipment and ransacked his house. For more information, visit this link: <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/29/ceci_nest_pas_un_fak.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/29/ceci_nest_pas_un_fak.html</a> (check out the previous posts sections to see the story evolve from the beginning) And here is the blog post announcing the boarding pass generator as taken from <a href="http://stop-phishing.blogspot.com/2006/10/airport-insecurity-for-masses.html" rel="nofollow">http://stop-phishing.blogspot.com/2006/10/airport-insecurity-for-masses.html</a> "Bruce Schneier coined the term security theatre to describe security countermeasures that provide the feeling of security while doing little or nothing actually to improve security. The entire airport/TSA experience is a classic example of this. Passengers are frisked, have their nail clippers confiscated, are required to remove their shoes, their belts, to put their toiletries in quart (but NOT! gallon) ziplock bags - all, essentially, so that we can see that TSA is doing something. Yet, all the while, a tiny fraction (less than 5%) of checked bags are x-rayed, and positive matching of bag->passenger is only done for single leg flights. If you miss any of your connections (or walk out of the airport at the first stopping point), the airline will happily fly your ticking suitcase on to the next destination. With that in mind - I now now present: Chris's Northwest Airlines Boarding Pass Generator Using this, you can: 1. Meet your elderly grandparents at the gate 2. 'Upgrade' yourself once on the airplane - by printing another boarding pass for a ticket you're already purchased, only this time, in Business Class. 3. Demonstrate that the TSA Boarding Pass/ID check is useless. Over the past few weeks, I've written a fair bit about Airport Security at my blog. This project stems from the research I've been documenting there. The goal of this is to prove that the ID/boarding pass check, as currently done by TSA, is deeply flawed, and is trivial to bypass. If we want to make ourselves safer, ziplock bags and 8 dollar an hour security guards checking IDs is not the way forward. Have fun, and be careful." You know, it is absurd. I left to visit my father in Houston about two weeks ago, and I had forgot to throw my cologne in my suitcase, so I tossed it in my carry on bag. Also in my bag were my iPod, blackberry, and nintendo ds. So, I go to security check out and they ask if I have any liquids. Completely forgetting about the cologne, I said no. By the way, it also wasn’t in a bag. They ran my bag through the x-ray machine, and the girl stopped on it for a while, and then called for a bag check. They took me aside and went through my bag. I thought that maybe some of my electronics had set it off. But no, they went through until they found my SMALL(maybe a 4-5 ounce bottle) of cologne that had maybe less than 4 tablespoons of liquid LEFT IN IT, and told me to either check it, or toss it. I figured I may as well toss it-I’m not going through the trouble to check a bottle of cologne. It was a minor inconvience-albiet, I feel at least, an unnecessary one. Since when is every one a fucking McGuyver? Needless to say, it’s just another of the many folleys of the TSA and their flawed “security”(pshya, right) system.
Debbie, did you hear about the guy that created the fake Northwest Airlines boarding pass generator?(all he did was automate the process, really, the boarding passes that you print out online are easily modifiable via changing their html by hand. HTML is the most basic/simple for of web design code there is)
Anyways, the point of the generator was to show that the no-fly lists are bullshit. You put in a phony name on the generator, tell the TSA security baffoon you don’t have your id(since they’re not allowed to require them) and, if you successfully pass the screening, you’re on your way into the secure area.
For pointing out this crucial flaw, the author of the generator was not rewarded for exposing these “security measures” as simply a way to make the TSA look like it was doing something, but instead, the FBI seized all of his computer equipment and ransacked his house.
For more information, visit this link: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/10/29/ceci_nest_pas_un_fak.html
(check out the previous posts sections to see the story evolve from the beginning)
And here is the blog post announcing the boarding pass generator as taken from http://stop-phishing.blogspot.com/2006/10/airport-insecurity-for-masses.html
“Bruce Schneier coined the term security theatre to describe security countermeasures that provide the feeling of security while doing little or nothing actually to improve security.
The entire airport/TSA experience is a classic example of this. Passengers are frisked, have their nail clippers confiscated, are required to remove their shoes, their belts, to put their toiletries in quart (but NOT! gallon) ziplock bags – all, essentially, so that we can see that TSA is doing something.
Yet, all the while, a tiny fraction (less than 5%) of checked bags are x-rayed, and positive matching of bag->passenger is only done for single leg flights. If you miss any of your connections (or walk out of the airport at the first stopping point), the airline will happily fly your ticking suitcase on to the next destination.
With that in mind – I now now present: Chris’s Northwest Airlines Boarding Pass Generator
Using this, you can:
1. Meet your elderly grandparents at the gate
2. ‘Upgrade’ yourself once on the airplane – by printing another boarding pass for a ticket you’re already purchased, only this time, in Business Class.
3. Demonstrate that the TSA Boarding Pass/ID check is useless.
Over the past few weeks, I’ve written a fair bit about Airport Security at my blog. This project stems from the research I’ve been documenting there.
The goal of this is to prove that the ID/boarding pass check, as currently done by TSA, is deeply flawed, and is trivial to bypass. If we want to make ourselves safer, ziplock bags and 8 dollar an hour security guards checking IDs is not the way forward.
Have fun, and be careful.”

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