September 8, 2010, - 7:01 pm

The Koran Burning and the Sudden Excess of Outrage

By Debbie Schlussel

Many readers have asked my opinion on the planned Koran burning on Saturday, the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks on America, by Pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida.

While I do not support, embrace, or endorse the International Burn a Koran Day, and it is meant to unnecessarily provoke (and does a disservice to the efforts of those of us who oppose Islam but do not engage in offense like this), I view it as far less offensive than those who burn an American Flag on regular occasions all over America.  The American Flag is far more holy to me than a book which inspires mass murder of all of those who do not adhere to the strictest observance of Islam and its sharia (and often the mass murder of rival Islamic factions).

I also see the burning of the Koran as far less offensive than “art” sponsored by the U.S. government, such as “Piss Christ,” featuring a cross in a bottle of urine.  But Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder never spoke out against that.    Neither did the mainstream media.  Instead of saying to the Islamic world, “this is what America is about–we say and do what we want, no matter how offensive,” they are cowering to those who have already vanquished us on the anniversary of the planned event.  Cowering to the enemy never works.  It eggs them on.

I view the planned burning of Korans as far less offensive than the mass murder of Jews and Christian on a regular basis all over the Islamic world on the basis of the contents of the Koran and its related Hadiths, considered the word of Mohammed.  But Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder never spoke out against that.    Neither did the mainstream media.

I view the planned burning of  Korans as far less offensive than the building of a mosque on top of the holiest Jewish site, the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and the ongoing excavation of that Temple, which further destroys what is left.  I view the planned burning of Korans as far less offensive than the use of Jewish gravestones as sidewalk pavement and Jewish graves as urination receptacles, all done by Muslims who took over “Palestine” before it was recaptured by Israel in 1967.

I view the planned burning of Korans as far less offensive than I view the Sunni-dominated Saudi destruction of Sh’ite Korans,  in which the leather binding is purposely transformed into thong sandals to denigrate and embarrass Shi’ites and show them their Koran is the lowest of the low, gracing the dirt on the streets.   But Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder never spoke out against that.  Neither did the mainstream media.

Here’s what I view as far more offensive than the burning of Korans:  that the outrage over this is more so than the outrage of any Islamic murder of Americans, any jihadist beheading videos featuring Westerners being slaughtered in the name of the Koran.

And it is offensive that the same liberals who constantly tell me that burning the American flag and denigrating Christianity with urine jars is “free speech” and “that’s very American,” suddenly don’t seem to like free speech.

I also view it as offensive that frauds and whores like Hanan Tudor, the fake whose entire story is false and who goes by the porn name “Brigitte Gabriel” (and who raised money for an organization that praised Muslim death, rape, and torture threats against me, my Holocaust survivor grandmother, and my parents) is using this as an opportunity to condemn free speech, raise money so she can have more expensive designer perfumes and clothes, and engage in moral equivalency comparing this mere burning to the jihadist mass murders of Christians and Jews and destruction of churches and synagogues all over the Islamic world. In her latest shameless fundraising letter, she (actually, her ghostwriter, since they write everything for her including her books) asked:

What is the difference between his actions and the actions of Islamists destroying synagogues in Gaza or churches and Bibles in Lebanon, Bosnia and Egypt?

Yup, Hanan Tudor a/k/a “Brigitte Gabriel” sees burning the Koran as the same as destroying synagogues and churches. Only a moron wouldn’t know the difference and would send out such a cowering statement followed by, “Send me money” (the money being sent for no particular achievement other than being the Zsa Zsa Gabor of Arab pseudo-anti-jihadists).

That to me is far more disgusting than burning a Koran or even many Korans for three hours, even if I don’t support that act. But, then, this is the same fake who told Black churches how happy she was that Barack Obama was elected and who told Bill O’Reilly on FOX News that she praises Obama’s Muslim outreach efforts and that “he’s done a better job than Bush” on it.

After all, anyone who is intellectually honest and knowledgeable will admit that there is one book that inspired 9/11′s mass murder of 3,000 Americans by Muslims.  One book that inspires constant death, rape, and torture threats against me and my family.  One book that inspires planned underwear and Times Square bomb attacks.  IT’S. THE. KORAN.

What if a child or widow of a 9/11 victim was the one who burned the Koran instead of a fringe Florida pastor?  Would we dare tell them that the outrage over the burning of the book is much greater than the outrage over their loved one’s mass murder inspired by and on behalf of that same book?

Sorry, but while I don’t condone the burning of the Koran, I don’t condemn it either.  It’s simply an exercise of the First Amendment . . . an exercise you’ll never see in any of the Islamic world.

And that’s the point.  The Koran burning is VERY American.  Suddenly, the heretofore loquacious First Amendment crowd has been reduced to just crickets chirping.

And that’s soooo very American.  At least, that’s what the liberals told me.

When the Muslims around the world condemn the mass murder of Jews and Christians, the expelling and deportation of them from Muslim countries and regions, the destruction of synagogues and mosques, the spilling of blood of even secular Muslims and gays, then I will worry about condemning an irrelevant preacher in Florida exercising the First Amendment and not killing anyone or taking anyone’s property and reducing it to rubble or expelling anyone from his/her country.

But only then. Until then, I will embrace the First Amendment, which they don’t have anywhere in the Muslim world . . . unless you are the Caliph or the Sheikh.

Remember, liberals:  that’s what being American is all about.  Isn’t it?

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174 Responses

It wasn’t just the “P*** Christ” where, from liberal leftists, all one heard was the sound of crickets chirping in terms of any outrage. Same thing when the Brooklyn Museum had a so-called “art” exhibit whose centerpiece was a “painting” where elephant dung was smeared all over the Virgin Mary. Not only that, these same liberal leftists were lecturing everyone about “free expression” and crying “censorship” when people raised objections.

ConcernedPatriot on September 8, 2010 at 9:00 pm

The difference here is that we’re dealing with crazy people who kill over cartoons. That’s why the like of Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder are speaking out against the burning. Sad to say but the terrorists have us trained to fear their retaliation.

Allen on September 8, 2010 at 9:34 pm

The governments, the media and the socialites are all whining about the Koran burning because they are cowards, and are all afraid of moslems, who don’t hesitate to use violence. It is cowardice, plain and simple.

RT on September 8, 2010 at 9:51 pm

Thank you Debbie for your words of truth. I’ve been sitting here all day, (well not sitting)thinking about this issue and you took my thoughts and formed a much better statement than I could have.
Where were all the liberals denouncing the Muslim gatherings across America with their signs of death and murder against Americans, Christians, and Jews……Crickets……They gathered in New York, Texas, and other venues in mass preaching their intolerance towards us…Where was Hillary then? Oh thats right, I forgot, the Muslims are the only ones allowed free speech.
So, until the Muslim world allows Jews and Christians in their midst, I say stoke the BONFIRE BABY

perception of truth on September 8, 2010 at 9:53 pm

As a moderate Muslim (I exist! I really do!), I have to salute your viewpoint, Debbie. Instead of egging on the burning like some other bloggers do, and encouraging acts of barbarism, you’ve made it clear that although you denounce Islam, you’re still not going to do so in a heinous act. I enjoy this blog more than I should as a Muslim, and I actually agree with you on most points. Keep up the good work Debbie!

Ps. I think in one of the sentences, you meant to write “condone” instead of “condemn”

Zionist Muslim on September 8, 2010 at 10:13 pm

Wow. Did not know that about Brigitte Gabriel. Always though she was a good one. Heard her a lot on talk shows for years.

It gets discouraging because I am a political junkie but I learn stuff here that I don’t anywhere else. Is there anyone out there that is who they say they are?

Yeah, loved DS’s bottom-line. Well said. Gotta agree.

Skunky on September 8, 2010 at 10:32 pm

You know why everybody in BHO’s administration are saying only negative things about this book burning, don’t you? Because they are all pussies who are scared sh#tless that the muslims will come after them next if they don’t toe the sharia line. BHO and his fellow criminals are only looking out for their own asses, not ours.

Jarhead on September 8, 2010 at 10:40 pm

I have learned so many truths from reading your posts in the last month. I watched this Iman on CNN tonight and I am infuriated that CNN has gave him so much air time to continue spouting his lies and threats. It frightens me that the US State Dept supposedly thouroughly vetted him before decided to send him onthat trip to the Middle East as an envoy of the US. What in the hell is that about?

Totally agree with Jarhead’s comment.

La Shana Tova, Debbie.

NancyB on September 8, 2010 at 11:21 pm

The biggest outrage is that the other conservatives haven’t brought up any of the many great points that Debbie has here. They’re all so worried that this will bring on more violence from muslims. Really? So what else is new?!
It’s this stupid ‘respect’ for islam as a worldwide ‘religion’ that’s the biggest problem. Instesd of trying to handle it with kid gloves it should be treated it as the joke that it really is.
An outrage over destroying a few stupid books vs. millions of lives…where are the priorities here?

theShadow on September 8, 2010 at 11:27 pm

I can’t think of anything that could make the already crazy cultists called muslims try to kill more Americans or unbelievers any where in the world than they already do. I do see Petreus point in this thing making our troops bigger targets because they are such crazy unbalanced hunks of crap. Last month beat out July for the number of U.S. casualties of the afghan war, so theres that. Fighting side by side doesn’t seem to work. Hiroshima did though. It is outrageous that all these damn people are suddenly worried about OFFENDING somebody after all the passes they have written the ground zero a–holes wanting a victory mosque, as well as the liberal artists I hate that do the flag on the ground or desecrating any Christian symbols.

samurai on September 8, 2010 at 11:33 pm

Have they trotted out the stupid “stooping to their level” argument? Because obviously, burning abook = beheading someone.

BoKnows on September 8, 2010 at 11:40 pm

Well my final view on it is for the troops over in afghanistan and iraq. From what my son said, they aren’t looking forward to the repercussions of a koran burning. That should be what people are concerned about the most. If it puts our families overseas at risk, even a little bit more, it is a BAD thing.

samurai on September 8, 2010 at 11:56 pm

I speak out against Terry Jones and his ilk, not because of their desire to burn books, but infringe on the rights of others. I’ve spoken against extremist Muslims, Christians, Jews and even atheists.

I wrote about Terry Jones back in July, before this mad uproar. Make no mistake, Terry Jones is a dangerous extremist who not only promotes hatred towards Muslims, but various other groups as well.

Terry Jones is the leader of a tiny Fred Phelps-type church that openly torments gays at their workplaces and endorses the WBC’s anti-Semitic messages. Mr. Jones is not a champion of the Conservative movement, but one that desires to oppress everyday Americans.

Mr. Jones also plans to hold a mass-burning of the Talmud in the near future, and I hope that people will protest that just as much as they protest his Koran burning.

As much as we find the Koran distasteful, we cannot endorse the desecration of symbols of faith. Terry Jones is a vicious anti-semite, proud homophobe, and loud hater of women. He is dangerous and not worthy of anyone’s endorsement no matter what snake oil he sells.

When he’s done with Muslims, he’s coming for us next and makes zero apologies.

L’Shana Tovah

Mika Galipeau on September 9, 2010 at 12:00 am

    Mika sez:

    “Mr. Jones also plans to hold a mass-burning of the Talmud in the near future, and I hope that people will protest that just as much as they protest his Koran burning.”

    Evidence? I did some searching on this pastor. Clearly he is not a towering intellect and is easily bamboozled by pro-Muslim anti-Semites (like you?). That is not the point, however.

    skzion on September 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm

How about we have a Draw the Koran day. Is that too offensive as well? This won’t end, it will just continue on and on until everyone knows what sharia law is, whether they like it or not. The uninformed masses have a very rude awakening coming very soon.

Jarhead on September 9, 2010 at 1:50 am

    My son is over there. A lot of peoples family members are over in the middle east. The thing is that they are the ones the most in harms way when these evil bastards get a head of steam going. Think about it. Just for that alone I wish the burning wouldn’t happen and all the talk of it would cease. The military is over there not in an air conditioned office or house in an easy chair making decisions. There are forward operating bases that are the most vulnerable to up ticks in craziness. Think about it.

    samurai on September 9, 2010 at 1:38 pm

The faux outrage coming from the left and right is so pathetic. Give me a break. Just one dude who wants to burn a Koran. So lets set this Koran burning to music. I suggest the Bloodhound Gang’s “Fire Water Burn”

The Roof, The Roof, The Roof is on fire
The Roof, The Roof, The Roof is on fire
The Roof, The Roof, The Roof is on fire

We don’t need no water let the mother f**ker burn,
burn mother f**ker burn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th_zlxmddNY

I think the MSM needs to LIGHTEN UP, pun intended :)

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 2:43 am

So where are the same voices protesting the Muslim Cleric who this week called for the beheading of Dutch politician Geert Wilders? I can’t hear you. Where is the international outrage? Are Taliban leaders going to condemn this cleric because it might cause them some Taliban fighters deaths on the battlefield? Is the West sending veiled threats against Islam for these statements? Will there be retribution against Muslims for this call of a beheading? But KING HUSSEIN OBAMA’s POS group of lackeys and the MSM are freaking out because this pastor is burning personal property on his personal property.

The Cleric is asking for people to end the life of another human being for stating his belief against his religion. So we appease and they continue to threaten.

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 3:51 am

I say burn the koran and islam with it. It’s high time muslims learn that in the USA they have worn their welcome out. They drew first blood and will be our enemies until they f***ing submit or die. Selah.

maphammond on September 9, 2010 at 3:54 am

    I agree with you. Muslims (Saudis) have taken over 50,000 black Africans as slaves in the last ten years. Slavery is evil. The Muslim “prophet” Mohammed was a child molester(it says so in the Koran). Burn the Koran.

    Truth on September 9, 2010 at 9:48 am

I wish I could be there to burn some Qurans.

Quorum on September 9, 2010 at 4:25 am

Amazon reports a run in quran buying. Burning that arab garbage is counter-productive. We need to repudiate it.

However, isn’t rejection of other faiths a requisite of membership in one faith? Who says Christians have to respect muzlims? I think they are brain-washed fanatics and that the quran – beyond historical references – is pure fiction. Muhammad never talked to an angel in some cave near mecca. He made it all up in order to get back at fellow tribesmen who laughed at him for being a sex-toy to a wealthy woman, 15 years his senior. Later, he gave his closest pal, abu-Bakr, “succession” (calipha) rights in exchange for his 6 year old daughter, Aisha. Islam was born in filth, and it gets filthier by the second.

Muzlim = terror-bot

Anti-Muslim on September 9, 2010 at 6:13 am

Dear Debbie
I will first start off with the following: No Holy books should be burned. However, why burn the Bible and no outcry? I am sick and tired of the Religion of Peace being so sensitive. Am I sensitive? I guess I would love to wear the BURQUA and be beaten by my nephew as we are all widows in my family.

I must be an unbeliver, G– help me. Can you help me?

confused on September 9, 2010 at 7:13 am

The Minister in Florida has the “right” to burn the koran, or even many korans. The Imam Rauf also has the “right” to build his mosque on the hallowed ground of 9-11. Just because both of these parties have the right to do something does not make it the right thing to do. I’m hoping that the Minister in Florida has a sudden change of mind on Saturday, explaining loudly and clearly to the “build the mosque” crowd that while he has the “right” to burn korans it is not the right thing to do. So he won’t. Then we’ll see if Imam Rauf “gets it”. Oh, and for the record, I’m in favor of burning the korans. It will highlight the insane mindset of the Islamic world for all to see, that the burning of a book, even the koran, can bring about world wide rioting, destruction and even death. Maybe the world will start to wake up.

JakAtak on September 9, 2010 at 7:14 am

OK, you’re an expert on Islam. Explain:

“I view the planned burning of Korans as far less offensive as I view the Sunni-dominated Saudi destruction of Sh’ite Korans”

What is a Shi’ite Qur’an? There is only one qur’an, and the text is uniform throughout.

Explain:

“I view the planned burning of Korans as far less offensive than the mass murder of Jews and Christian on a regular basis”

Regular basis means like every day, every week. Not the same thing as frequent. Where’s the evidence for this? [And where's the s at the end of Christian?]

The best part about this is, I doubt ol’ Terry is even burning Qur’ans. He’s probably burning translations, and that’s not the same thing. But you knew that, because you’re an expert.

And lastly, let’s see any substantive replies to the one comment here that isn’t uninformed groupspeak in its most extreme.

actually knowledgable on September 9, 2010 at 8:06 am

This sort of kills the myth that Islam is the Religion of Peace

burt on September 9, 2010 at 8:42 am

Your post says it all, and so far is the only place I’ve seen criticism of the elites and their followers for their condemnation of Pastor Terry Jones.

Although I do not condone Pastor Jones’ actions, we all know that ever since 9/11, there has been PC condemnation of any action (or thought) that might offend Muslims. And such thoughts and actions are many. The ‘offense’ is very broadly interpreted, just as ‘offenses’ against all other ‘victims’ is broadly interpreted.

This is because, like appeasers throughout history, the elite appears to think that by pandering to Muslims, the Muslim terrorists (pardon the duplication) will become sated, and not bother (i.e. kill) us so much. On the contrary, though, it will just embolden them, as it did Hitler.

But if the burning actually occurs, it might make it easier for the rest of us to challenge the reigning PC nonsense that you can’t say anything or do anything that could possibly offend Muslims, whether it is kids wearing an ‘offensive’ T-shirt, a rally at a campus or so on. So some good might come of this by setting a very visible precedent of taking symbolic action against Muslim terrorists in a very broad way.

It also exposes scurrying around by Beck, Palin, ad naseum, rushing to condemn Pastor Jones’ actions without putting them in context. If this action makes it easier for other activities, hopefully in better taste, to occur, it will put these ‘conservatives’ on the spot.

And, let’s not forget we are nearing the anniversary of 9/11 when thousands of Jews and Christians were killed by Islamic savages.

Little Al on September 9, 2010 at 8:50 am

“We’ve made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they’ve done.” -Captain Picard in Star Trek First Contact, in reference to the Borg

Kind of fits, doesn’t it?

cirrus1701 on September 9, 2010 at 9:39 am

This is a very good approach for you Debbie, being in the position that you are. While I fully understand your approach, I have given much thought to this political correct fight that we are drowning in. I bathed myself in the thought, until I came to the conclusion that it is the result of the reconstruction efforts of America. Be nice to your known, and former enemy, that our government under the guise of a new world order forces on us. We were seperated by our creator in the day of the tower of Babel for good reason. Our creator has seperated us into tribes, and nations to keep us from coming to agreement,paving way for one world rule. I believe in burning the Qur’an, as the Muslims are going to do their deeds, which the mosque is a reflection of anyway. We should take this time, and use it for making our stand against the Islamitization of the world (by the sword ie… bomb)Burn the evil writings, burn them all before it corrupts the minds of more young children, who will grow up to wage Jihad against us. Ban the Qur’an from existence worldwide to save it’s inhabitants from annihilation.

joe Myrick on September 9, 2010 at 9:48 am

Fear No Evil,Pastor Jones!!!! Burn all the q’rans you can find!!!! Godspeed!

And if Islam is truly “the religion of peace”, none of it’s robot folowers should violently retaliate,should they?

Phineas on September 9, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Great speech, but how about the military dealing with all the assholes you want to get fired up? Yeah, the military is over in harms way, not the civilians sitting at their computers. Our loved ones are over there, and Europe, etc. How does this help them at all.

    samurai on September 9, 2010 at 2:03 pm

Debbie you wrote, “While I do not support, embrace, or endorse the International Burn a Koran Day, and it is meant to unnecessarily provoke (and does a disservice to the efforts of those of us who oppose Islam but do not engage in offense like this)” I Disagree………
I do support, embrace and endorse the International Burn A Koran Day, and should be meant to provoke (and no it does not do a disservice to the efforts of those of us who oppose Islam)

My argument is we are done appeasing. This is an exercise of freedom. I am not afraid of freedom. This is what our civilization is about. Their reaction is what they are about. We have seen flag burnings, crosses burning, NAZI and KKK marches, Westboro church protests, Homosexual marches, Gay Pride Marches, counter culture types protests, marijuana protests, illegal aliens marching down the street demanding amnesty, South Park episodes, etc. All these exercises of free speech are protected, many are offensive and vile to some other groups. People understand in our free civilization that others have the same rights no matter how much you disagree.
So now come the Muslims and we are to “fear a backlash” for someone exercising their first amendment rights by holding a Koran burning? So we should be able to provoke an emotion out of them and they should respect other people’s right to free speech. Everyone else is provoked by some other’s free speech and we aren’t intimidating them from their exercising of free speech. Muslims should join the 21st century and accept other’s rights to speech. We shouldn’t have to curb our freedoms because some group of people are stuck in the 8th century.

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 11:40 am

Great post.. I have a question if anyone can weigh in. Is it common for a general in the military to comment on an issue that would be considered a first amendment right of civilians? I found General David Petraeus commenting on this issue a little weird that’s all. Just curious, I do not recall that occurring before.

sharon on September 9, 2010 at 11:43 am

    The general is weighing in because his mission isn’t to take more casualties. That’s what this damn book burning is concerning him about. It’s about his military being FORCED TO DEAL WITH A CRAZY ENEMY THAT MAKE THE KAMIKAZZES look laid back and normal. The general is the one having to put his chess pieces on the field of battle, only the pieces are our sons, and daughters, fathers and mothers, friends, and relatives! I hate islam more than anyone I know but this solves nothing and only screws our loved ones over there. Even in countries like Germany and England our loved ones will suffer. Wake the hell up, muzzies equal death.

    samurai on September 9, 2010 at 2:00 pm

Come on, people. It’s simple! The reason the Pres is relentlessly jumping on this bandwagon and condeming this burning Koran act is for ONE SIMPLE REASON.

BY DOING SO…HE HOPES (hopes to) TIE THE TEA PARTY, CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT, THE GOP etc TO THIS NUTCASE.

THE MIDTERMS ARE LESS THAN 2 MONTHS AWAY, MOST REPUTABLE POLLS ARE SHOWING MAJOR LOSSES FOR THE DEMS.

AS FAR AS THE PRES. & THE OTHER DEM. POLITICOS, ITS REALLY NOT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN THAT.

Tie it to the GOP before election = maybe Dems wont lose as many seats since THEY FIRST CONDEMNED THIS NUTCASE AND EXTREMISM which of course everyone knows this dudes really just a GOP shill.

Really, follow the money. Election, 2 months away, have to do something to save his party’s congressional majorities.

bobby on September 9, 2010 at 11:47 am

While I’m not for intentionally disrespecting someone’s religion, I am for provoking Muslims into showing their true colors. I think that a little John Wayne diplomacy would serve us well.

From Big Jake (1971):

Jake: What do you do when cockroaches get in the woodwork, Michael?
James McCandles: Smoke ‘em out?
Jake: That’s right.

Rick on September 9, 2010 at 12:08 pm

@Sharon, I agree. Gen. Petrarus should not have commented on civilian matters. His comments only allowed the MSM and Muslims to justify any attacks against the soldiers. Do Taliban leaders worry if Muslims chant “Death to America”? Why do we appease and they are allowed to intimidate?

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 12:09 pm

This POS President states:

“And as a very practical matter, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform,” the president added.
Said Obama: “Look, this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaida. You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan.” The president also said Jones’ plan, if carried out, could serve as an incentive for terrorist-minded individuals “to blow themselves up” to kill others.

So let’s get this straight, we as country must now behave like abused women. Remember any abused women dares not speak out against her abusive husband because she just might get her teeth kicked in. So we must fear getting our teeth kicked in because Islam might get upset. F*CK THAT!! This guy is my hero if he go through with the burning. If Islam can’t handle freedom then maybe the rest of the world will now know what we already know about them. But leave it up to the MSM to spin it that any retaliation by Muslims is justified.

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 12:36 pm

Frankly I could care less if he torches the Koran. Muslims burn symbols of infidels everyday of the week and twice on Friday. What bothers me is the silly idea of politicians that there is some kind of collectivize guilt. This profoundly liberal belief, straight from Marx, is antithetical to the concept of an America Constitutional government based on individual rights and obligations.

pat on September 9, 2010 at 12:42 pm

[DS:Sorry, but while I don’t condone the burning of the Koran, I don’t condemn it either. It’s simply an exercise of the First Amendment .]

Exactly.

[Who says Christians have to respect muzlims?

Anti-Muslim on September 9, 2010 at 6:13 am]

Jesus? Love thy neighbor and love your enemies?

Norman Blitzer on September 9, 2010 at 12:44 pm

Ignorant
Stupid
Lunatics
And
Morons

JT on September 9, 2010 at 1:07 pm

Great article Debbie, and I’m glad that you bought up this topic, because Debbie, I was going to give you an email regarding this story down in Florida. Now at the sametime, I do not endorse nor will I support this paster down in Florida to burn koran’s, but on the other hand it’s his first amendment right to burn koran’s or any other book, just like it’s in law to burn US flags, etc., we all know that the far left wingers give out the same tiring talking points of “it’s our right to burn the american flag, that’s what our soldiers fought and died for, blah blah blah”! Another thing where the hell was the left wingers 11 years ago when some loser displayed a picture of christ in a bottle of urine with animal manure in it, the assholes on the left said nothing about and thought it was art and it was funny, etc. But now some guy in Florida wants to burn koran’s, the left is out of the woodworks with their filthy fangs sharpen and calling for this pastor’s head, don’t you people see the double-standard of the jackasses on the left wing! As I said earlier in this post, I don’t agree with Terry Jones for doing this, but he has his 1st amendment right to do this.

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on September 9, 2010 at 1:26 pm

Yeshua said Love your enemies. He never said we had to love their cultish deathbooks!

tracy hood on September 9, 2010 at 1:41 pm

The amusing thing is that this by their reactions, the Muslims are making the Pastor’s point. The “religion of peace” stuff is all BS. This religion is full of 8th century throwbacks and it is far PAST time that the World stops putting up with their crap.

How come South Park can make fun of every religion except one ?? Why are people afraid to even draw a cartoon that pictures Mohammed ???

As a Christian I am offended by the desecration of a Bible. As an American I am offended by the desecration of the flag. But, I don’t go and threaten people with violence because I am offended.

Muslims, it’s time to realize that it is the 21st centurt—not the 8th.

jimmyPx on September 9, 2010 at 1:43 pm

Few people here are realizing that the troops over seas are the ones that will have the most to lose in this symbolic little book burning. None of you is obviously related to anyone stationed over seas so I see a lack of understanding of how this might lead to more dead Americans. Muslims are the enemy but our military is there in front of them, not YOU.

samurai on September 9, 2010 at 1:54 pm

I just read that representatives of the Religion of Peace have issued a fatwa calling for the assassination of Pastor Jones. If true, I wonder of the apolitical Gen. Patraeus, President Obama, Shrillary, Holder, the Vatican, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, etc. etc. will condemn the fatwa as strongly (at least) as they condemn the burning of the Koran?

Little Al on September 9, 2010 at 1:57 pm

JimmyPX, you got that right bro, whenever I see a crazy leftist burn the american flag, I don’t go around threating liberals with violence, and whenever I see anyone wanting to burn bibles, etc., I don’t go around threating people with violence, I just let it go and yes I do get offended when someone burns the US flag or a bible, but these throwback muslims get with the program and live in the 21 century like the rest of world and stop living in the 9 century like it’s the muslim conquest all over again!

“A nation is identified by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on September 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

@Samurai, Shhhhhh…… let’s be quiet some Muslim might get upset. Quiet please. I don’t worry every time I get on an airport, train or public facility because some Muslims will force a police state on us. They might blow up these places because they are upset at our right to freedom. Muslims may attack America for any reason and if we give into their wishes then we have no freedom.

@Sean R, @Jimmmy px, @pat, and @Little Al. Right On!! Let’s not curb our freedoms and beliefs to appease Muslims.

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    @california, I’m not a fan of muzzies either, but talk brave when you are the one over in the middle east or have a loved one in the middle east when this craziness is boiling over into a pitched battle and your son is at risk even more so than he already is. Read my posts. It is a needless action to put our military even more at risk. It’s pretty easy for a jerk at a keyboard to write shhh on a blog. Why don’t you go out your front door and provoke an illegal gang banger to shoot or set fire to your house with your brave worlds, moron. I GUARANTEE YOU IF YOU HAD ANYONE IN THE MILITARY YOU GAVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU’D CHANGE YOUR STANCE. UNTIL THEN GO ENJOY YOUR DEAD, CESSPOOL OF A STATE.

    samurai on September 9, 2010 at 6:03 pm

      samurai, your position is weak, and now you are lashing out. Essentially you are saying that we should treat military personnel as if they were civilian human shields. Personally, I think that human shields should be ignored when it comes to killing the enemy. Surely this would go quadruple for military personnel. We are responsible for making sure that the military is properly equipped. We are also responsible for not imposing losing strategy and tactics on the military. However, the tail should not wag the dog, and a military that is so vulnerable to such minor incidents as this is a failed military.

      skzion on September 10, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I must, with many tears, agree with Screamer.

    skzion on September 10, 2010 at 9:51 am

Very good article, I was looking for something that wasn’t so typical of our media. Here is my thoughts. I can understand the President stating that burning a koran will incite violence to our troops over in the middle east, and I have the same concerns. That being said, why in the hell is it that NOBODY, I mean NOBODY has shown outrage of the clearic that reacted by asking all muslims to stand up and kill all americans wherever they are all around the world. WTF?????

If burning the Koran hurts them so much, maybe what might be good is if the preacher said that every time there is a protest against america with flag burning, he will burn a koran. Or, every time a muslim terrorist attack occurs, he will burn a koran for every person that is killed in the attack. In other words, give them something to think about before they do these crazy acts. It probably wouldn’t help a whole lot but if it stopped 1 terrorist from completing his/her mission, maybe it would be worth it.

I also hate the fact that the iman in NY has basically said that if the mosque is not put at the location of ground zero, there could be terrorist attacks as a result. Sounds a little like a threat to me comming from such a peacefull muslim.

And also, I love South Park, and it sickens me that the least offensive episode they have is not allowed to be seen because the muslims don’t like it.

fatherofajarhead on September 9, 2010 at 2:35 pm

The koran is not a symbol of religion. It is a manifesto of hatred and death. For those of you who say the Bible is also, I say you need to learn about the New Covenant. What I really would like to know is this….If one faction of islam blows up another faction’s mosque, what happens to the korans inside?

Farmerjohn on September 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm

Debbie, Excellent article on the double standards applied by the libs and their friends in the media. Their newly discovered freedom of religion in the ground zero mosque debate has been quickly forgotten.

Regarding the effects on our brave troops, I have mixed emotions. I’m certainly concerned about the safety of my son, serving with the marines in Afghanistan, but at the same time, we must stop pandering to the terrorists’ every demand at some point. Stopping the burning may delay some violence for the moment, but Muslim extremists have a long term agenda, to convert or eliminate the infidels, so we must wake up and face reality sooner or later.

Royce on September 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm

Right on Deb, it is all about the 1st Amendment. Love to see the hypocrites doing back flips…

Dave on September 9, 2010 at 3:03 pm

The only silver lining to this is that American’s are talking about Islam.
I will not fault the preacher for what is happening,but PRAISE him for getting the dialog on a new level of attention.

It’s about %&*^#$@! dam time.

billybob on September 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm

What is the big deal. Here is a Koran burning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DFZbr5bWrI&p=6F2FE1375893F130&playnext=1&index=6&skipcontrinter=1

CaliforniaScreaming on September 9, 2010 at 3:21 pm

I am against the burning of the Qu’ran and here’s why. Our soldiers will be the ones that bear the brunt of the enemy. And with The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, aiding and abetting them, and by tying the hands of our soldiers with stupid PC rules of engagement. Our soldiers will be at additional and unnecessary risk. See, our soldiers are not allowed to shoot first even if they know the enemy is in range.

There’s also the Muslim’s penchant for taking hostages, and that will put any other American in danger. Mao-bama doesn’t want us to defend ourselves, and this will open us up to more threats, and perhaps a few attacks on 9-11.

It is interesting to me that the Liberals are so in favor of this Hamasque at Ground Zero, and suddenly yelling about freedom of religion and telling us to look at the First Amendment. But now the Liberals are against the Qu’ran burning. I don’t condone the burning. But freedom of religion and freedom of speech, is freedom of religion and freedom of speech. What’s good for the Muslims is also good for the rest of us.

The problem is, no matter how this is handled and no matter what the Pastor does. The Muslims are still going to hold this event or something else against us. If the Pastor doesn’t do this, the Muslims will look at this as another victory against the Infidel, instead of seeing it as an expression of simple class. But if the Qu’ran burning proceeds. These unstable people will freak out and riot anyway.

John on September 9, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Agree with you 100%. Our military is in harms way ad all these brave internet warrior wannabes are bravely taunting muzzies to come fight while they hide behind their mommys apron. Cal scream is a coward. I’d like to see him/ her go to the riots that are going on now and get opinionated about the 1st amendment. Coward. Our military is the ones paying for this, not the keyboard punchers.

    samurai on September 9, 2010 at 6:28 pm

      Uh, no, samurai. We keyboard punchers are indeed paying for this, as we fund the military even if we are not in it. As I said in my response to you above, the tail cannot wag the dog.

      I’m sorry to say that your response is the response of dhimmis.

      If indeed the military is such a delicate flower that it is damaged by such a trivial act of resistance to dhimmitude as the pastor’s, the military needs an overhaul. Clearly, the huge number of military casualties in Afghanistan points to a problem. Alas, that problem is largely of McChrystal’s and Obama’s making.

      skzion on September 10, 2010 at 10:09 am

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