December 4, 2006, - 3:59 pm

So, What?: Leonardo Da Vinci, “Arabic” Just Like Us

By Debbie Schlussel
The pan-Arabist world–particularly the Islamist segment of it–is abuzz with the news that Leonardo Da Vinci’s mother may have been an Arab.
To which I say, a big: SO, WHAT?!
Apparently, fingerprints of his–taken from papers he handled–show a possibility that his mother was of Arab descent, according to AP.
Since I don’t know much about fingerprints (and haven’t researched this further), I’m not sure why fingerprints show his mother’s origin and not his father’s (but maybe some readers in the know can enlighten us).

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Leonardo Da Vinci & His “Arabic” Fingerprint

Regardless, I find the story hilarious. First of all, we don’t even know for sure his mother was an Arab. It’s just a possibility. Second, we don’t know that she was a Muslim. And even if she were, he sure was not. Otherwise, how do you explain his famous painting of Jesus’ “The Last Supper” (not something any believing Muslim would depict)? Attention, Dar Al-Islam: Da Vinci renounced you.
It’s like every other story we hear about how great Arabs and Muslims once were and all the things they supposedly gave to society. “Look at us. Da Vinci was ours, one of us.” (Maybe that’s the reason Mona Lisa isn’t exactly “smiling.”) But, even if it’s true, so what if Da Vinci was possibly half Arab? That was then. This is now.
And the only thing that particular society is giving us now is death and destruction. Beheadings, honor-killings, and murdered nuns. Intolerance and bigotry. And the forcing of their religion and cultural norms on the rest of us. (And even back then, they gave us their fair share of “contributions” like the word and concept of “assassins” or “hashishin” (from the hashish the Arab Muslim Shia martyrs used to take before they murdered others).
What Arab and Muslim culture does now is what’s important–their so-called ancient contributions to culture be damned.
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Leonardo Da Vinci’s “The Last Supper”

More on this irrelevant “Arab Like Us” story:

ROME — Anthropologists said they have pieced together Leonardo da Vinci’s left index fingerprint — a discovery that could help provide information on such matters as the food the artist ate and whether his mother was of Arab origin.
The reconstruction of the fingerprint was the result of three years of research and could help attribute disputed paintings or manuscripts, said Luigi Capasso, an anthropologist and director of the Anthropology Research Institute at Chieti University in Italy.
The research was based on a first core of photographs of about 200 fingerprints — most of them partial– taken from about 52 papers handled by da Vinci in his life.
The artist often ate while working, and Capasso and other experts said his fingerprints could include traces of saliva, blood or food. It is information that could help clear up questions about his origins.
Certain distinctive features are more common in the fingerprints of some ethnic populations, experts say.
“The one we found in this fingertip applies to 60% of the Arabic population, which suggests the possibility that his mother was of Middle Eastern origin,” Capasso said.

Maybe she was one of those who ascended from the forcibly converted (to Islam) to Christianity. Sorry, Islam. But Da Vinci ain’t yours.

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The barbarian savages are so desperate to demonstrate to the world ANYTHING that their religion and culture is responsible for because they know, in reality, they’ve contributed absolutely nothing to mankind except murder, misery, destruction, poverty, illiteracy, brutal monarchs and theocracies, and disease.
BTW, since Leonardo Da Vinci had, quite literally, hundreds and hundreds of ancestors, how in the hell would one Arab ancestor’s genes be the predominant factor determining fingerprints?
Is it because she was one of his direct ancestors? If true, then what about his father?
Why haven’t we heard more about this “science” the way we know about blood-typing, then, DNA analysis? Is it because this is a phony science? Is this like the scientific “consensus” about global warming?
Why haven’t we seen this on CSI: Miami?
This sounds just like the scam perpetrated a few years ago that tried to prove that Thomas Jefferson fathered an illegitimate child with one of his slaves in order to discredit him. Only in this case, this scam is trying to put a good face on islam (even though not all Arabs were Muzlum, the assumption will be that his phony mother was islamic). However, trying to put a good face on islam is akin to trying to polish a turd – it just can’t happen.

Thee_Bruno on December 4, 2006 at 6:20 pm

Or, perhaps that should read: “Leonardo Da Vinci — Gay Like Us” — as I laugh. Yeah, isn’t Da Vinci, according to the homosexual community, a gay guy? That’s what I’ve read…along with Shakespeare, blah, blah, blah. Any male who didn’t get married and was half-ways famous the gay community claims as one of their own…Gays and Muslims use the same tactics, it appears. It’s that “halo effect…”

J.S. on December 4, 2006 at 6:41 pm

More than a thousand years ago, arab culture did make noteworthy contributions to math and science, but that was before they were hijacked by islam. In the thousand plus years since, zip. islamic thought police crush all freedom, liberty, art and science. That is, unless it can be used for furthering their political and military agendas. Build some nukes to burn the infidels?…now, THAT, is a religion of peace. And the only “science” they will ever endorse.

jeebie on December 4, 2006 at 7:29 pm

jeebie,
You are correct in some of what you say. The Arabs (pre-Mohammadism) gave us the numbering system that we use today. Other than that, what, besides paganism, did they contribute to mankind as it relates to science, technology, astronomy, architecture, medicine, etc.?
Now, be very careful here; I am speaking specifically about the contributions of the Arabs (the pagan Arabs) Pre-Mohammadism. During and after Mohammad, the Muzlums claimed as their own, the advances in science and technology of the civilizations that they conquered. Their cult and their culture centered SOLELY on conquests, and never placed any emphasis on the arts, sciences, technology, or scientific exploration. It was a culture whose central tenet (as it is today) consisted entirely on murder, enrichment, and domination. Nothing else matterd then, and nothing else matters to this day. That is what Mohammad spawned! That is his barbaric legacy!
Prophet, my ass! You saw just last week what his followers wrought as far as air travel is concerned. Yet, they claim that THEY were the victims!
Welcome to islam, and its brain-dead followers who murder innocent children in the name of their false god, allah.

Thee_Bruno on December 4, 2006 at 8:40 pm

Thee_Bruno: You are wrong, for once. The number system was devised by the ancient Indians in India. The Arab invaders took it away and passed it off as their own. And the politically correct clowns refer to it as the “Indo-Arab” number system, while it is actually 100% Indian!!
Numbers are written in Arabic from left to right, while the actual script is written from right to left. Also, the numbers we use today are almost the same as the numbers in the Sanskrit script, and Sanskrit is one of the oldest languages in the world. You can google for that. India has the stupid habit of keeping quiet when the rest of the world steals ideas and concepts from them, whether its patenting basmathi rice, trying to patent yoga, stealing our diamonds, also the world’s most expensive diamond (Kohinoor, which is still in London).
At least the Arabs haven’t been able to call as their own the spices they stole from India.
Arabs have hijacked everything from every culture, especially after the spurt of the cult we all know as i-slam. Even the suicide bombing technique is stolen from the LTTE terrorist group in Sri Lanka. Their other traditional customs (what they call halal, not eating pork, etc.) are all stolen from Jews.
Arabs have almost nothing to call their own, absolutely NOTHING! Ever since Muhammad’s parents copulated, the world has become more unsafe with these rotters.

anonymous twit on December 4, 2006 at 9:49 pm

>>>Anthropologists said they have pieced together Leonardo da Vinci’s left index fingerprint — a discovery that could help provide information on such matters as the food the artist ate and whether his mother was of Arab origin.>>The reconstruction of the fingerprint was the result of three years of research…<<<
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My take on the above story is my same take on the following one:
The Iranian leaders said that after 60 years of research and after they pieced together Hitler’s left index fingerprint, they can confidently declare to the world that the Holocaust never happened and that Hitler’s mother was a Muslim from Arab origin.

Independent Conservative on December 4, 2006 at 10:31 pm

To anomymous twat;
You vomited;
“Thee_Bruno: You are wrong, for once. The number system was devised by the ancient Indians in India.”
No fucking way. Read your history, moron!
The only culture who gave mankind anything less than the Arabs and the Muzlums are the Indians from India. After all, what other culture on the face of the Earth STILL has a caste system?!
After all, what other culture on Earth still worships animals (cows & cobras)?! For God’s sakes, man, the whole region is made up of barbarians with a primitive, barbaric mindset!
Your women still walk around dressed in bedsheets with dots on their heads, and your men walk around in Nehru jackets and long pants, even in 130 degree heat. They walk around in my country with a holier-than-thou attitude, as if WE should kiss THEIR ass for being here! What did THEY do to found America?! Did any Indians from India fight in the Revolution or in the Civil War?! What fucking nerve!!!! What arrogance!!
I’d like to reverse the 1967 Immigration Reform and Naturalization Act and send all of the Turd-Worlders back to where they came from.
Sure, a lot of Indians are here in this country to open up news-stands, Blimpies, and 7-Elevens. But they do this because they are given interest-free loans from India in order to send the money back to that primitive shithole in order to build nuclear weapons while the rest of the lower caste wallow in mud and pestilence. Yet, the Indians who ARE here don’t assimilate, and they don’t adopt our customs and understand our history. They’re the same as the Mid-East Muzlum swine who come here for the almighty dollar. Who the fuck needs them?! What nerve!
Sure, you’ll have a few Indian doctors, but, after all, where did they get their medical license? Not from India – but from here in America. They didn’t experiment on cats and dogs – they got their traing in modernized medical facilities here in the U.S. And, those are the lucky ones who were born in the upper caste system who could escape the pestilence from that primitive wasteland.
India has a billion people who live in abject poverty, and who still cling to a caste system, and whose culture is based on primitive thought. If India was such a wonderful place to live, then how come the Mexicans and Cubans aren’t building boats to invade that country. How come the Viet Namese aren’t flooding over there strapping themselves onto driftwood? The only ones who want that wasteland are the more primitive Muzlums from an even more primitive society. India and Pakistan should blow themselves to high heaven and let the rest of the West live in peace!
While we were exploring the moon, the people of India were overturning rocks looking for their next meal.
There’s a reason why the British finally said to themselves and decided to abandon India; “Let’s get the fuck out of here!”
C’mon, there’s a reason why a lot of your people left that primitive continent and are invading civilized society.
Be honest! If you love your homeland so much, then move back there.

Thee_Bruno on December 4, 2006 at 10:33 pm

Way to generalize an entire group of people Bruno! You know so much about the world and other cultures.

DudeSteak on December 4, 2006 at 11:54 pm

Anonymous twit wrote;
“Numbers are written in Arabic from left to right, while the actual script is written from right to left.”
What does that prove? The Old and New Testaments were written right to left by the Hebrews, yet the later-day Christians re-wrote it from left to right. In fact, Jews today (not all), write from left to right.
As far as TubeSteak is concerned, I know a lot more about the world and other cultures than you’ll ever know. That’s because America-hating LIBERALS, like yourself, would love to see America transformed into an unrecognizable Turd-World cesspool. Like all LIBERALS, the only thing you love is whatever is wrong for America.
Now, isn’t that right, Skippy?
BTW, Skippy, LIBERAL Senators Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton made remarks about Indians owning 7-Elevens and gas stations. Gee, I guess they made generalizations that you condemn, too. Right?
What a phony you are, TubeSteak!!!!

Thee_Bruno on December 5, 2006 at 4:18 am

Thee_Bruno, I am interested in your generalizations about the Indian culture. I’ve been reading your comments for a day or two now — I won’t say I’m a fan — and my question is, are you so full of hatred towards everyone who simply looks different from you? I mean, how do you tell the good guys from the bad guys? Is it just by ethnic background? I’m a military member, born in the USA, been in service of America for over 15 years. But I’m also of Indian origin. Out of uniform, you can’t possibly tell me apart from those you despise so very much. And yet…see if you can stay with me here …I AM American. One hundred percent. This is my homeland and I belong here. And there are many like me. We are American citizens, we pay taxes, we raise our kids, we marry and we work here. Some of us join the military, some of us get elected. If it bothers you that we look different, dress differently or eat different food, you’re just going to have to get over it. You see, Thee_Bruno, you’re just handling, very poorly, the struggle that every nationality goes through when a new wave of immigrants comes in. It was that way with the Irish, with the Hispanics, it’s just the way that it goes with cultures and with countries. Like it or not, your children will marry my children. And they’ll all be Americans. Born and bred here. And with a right to be here, to vote and to make this country the way they want it to be. It may not be what you or I want, but that’s natural evolution. See if you can wrap your mind around that one.

skeptic*l on December 5, 2006 at 5:51 am

….the old attempt to appropriate one of the late great John Coltrane’s jazz masterpiece’s,’A Love Supreme’,(which should’ve demolished atheism)which features maybe his only recorded recorded speech on an album-”A love supreme….a love supreme..”which the Islamics have “translated” to “Allah Supreme”…”Allah Supreme…”(to whoever agrees with the translation…”Yo mama…yo mama”).

jaywilton on December 5, 2006 at 7:39 am

I work and live amongst many Indians and all of them have assimilated into American culture. You’re just plain wrong about pretty much everything Bruno.

DudeSteak on December 5, 2006 at 8:01 am

Wow Thee_Bruno! I thought you were one of the more sensible persons here, but it looks like I was wrong.
To begin with, I never said India was the best place to live in. If you have been reading my previous posts, especially the one where I blast India for looking the other way on various issues especially the Mozlum illegal immigration by Bangladeshis, you’ll know that I love America MORE than India.
Secondly, the topic was about the number system we used today. Read this link if you wish to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system
Most of the countries in the world have screwed India over and that is a fact. The Arabs were one of the first to do so, and they have successfully attempted to take credit for the number system. See, even you believe it…
Let Indians wear whatever they want, their bedsheets (actually called saris) and Nehru jackets. At least they don’t go around demanding for extra space in airports or gyms, or that everybody around them wear the same. Your outburst was totally unprovoked!

anonymous twit on December 5, 2006 at 10:25 am

Thee_Bruno, this is a better link, not that I care to let you separate facts from rubbish, but just to give proof that Arabs did not devise the number system that we use today. They did not contribute much in the area of Mathematics. Ciao.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numerals

anonymous twit on December 5, 2006 at 1:01 pm

This is a complete hoax I really do not see how so called experts can get such far fetched conclusions on the basis of an obsolete method abandonne dsince the end of the XIXth century.

55% of Middle easterner has a “whorl” fingerprint pattern and so do 45% of Italians! for the rest if a remmeber more specialized works the central whorl pattern accounts for only 2% of human population ! ! !

But all this hoax is living his last hours for the tomb of Leonardo Da Vinci tomb will be dug up soon for DNA work I hope it will boast a large r1B or I haplogroup that will surelly boogle hteir faces to all those barbarians !!!
cheers

Carril on May 4, 2010 at 12:02 pm

And would like to add further comments
To begin with the reconstruction is said to be a “central whorl” which means nothing because we have either “central loop whorl” and “central pocket whorl” so to which kind of “central whorl” this capazzo, who claimed the discovery, is talking about???

I also want to correct a mistake from my previous psot: the central pocket whorl pattern is present on 13 % of humans world wide and not 2% as i wrongly estated but no bibliography says that this is a special character among arabics; in Irak the whorl pattern itself accounts for about 29 to 37 % ; about 37 among lebanese and armenians and by 27 to 30 % among Italians so it is hard to see how “60% of arabic population” could have a central whorl fingerprint pattern. (If you wish to have further details about sources for this data do not hesitate to ctc me)
And even if it was true that the central whorl was particularly conspicuous among middle easterners such a hasty conclusion would be ignoring two major and more consistent genetic facts:
A-the middle eastern genetic componint present in Europe since the Neolithic tiles and spread by agriculturalists that came from Anatolia
B-The minor anatolian genetic component of Tuscany inherited form ETRUSCANS who were in part originary from the middle east (in part only because most of their culture derivates from the local viallanovian one).

And about the more farfetched conclusion that Leonardo was muslim … he left thousand of written pages and in none of them makes no mention about muslim religion; he had no connection with the muslim nor arabic world and all his friends, masters and pupils were italian or European see list at the end of the comment.
Moreover Leonardo’s genius is the product of the the cultural and social context of the italian and European Renaissance and not the produce of his genetic background, which ever was it.

Fazio Cardano – mathematician, jurist
Francesco Melzi – painter, pupil
Girolamo Melzi – Captain in Milanese militia
Giovanni Francesco Rustici
Cesare Borgia – warrior
Niccolo Machiavelli – writer
Andrea da Ferrara
Francesco Nani – Brother in the Franciscan Order in Brescia
Iacomo Andrea – architect and author
Fra Luca Bartolomeo de Pacioli – Franciscan father
Galeazzo da Sanseverino – Commanded ducal army of Milan, singer
Giovanni de’ Benci
Atalante Miglioretti – singer, artist, actor
Tomasso Masini da Peretola a.k.a. Zoroastro – student of alchemy, occultist
Bendetto Dei – writer

Carril on May 5, 2010 at 6:49 am

«The Arabs (pre-Mohammadism) gave us the numbering system that we use today.»

no. they didn’t. that’s another bullshit going on.

anonymous on June 14, 2010 at 9:35 am

«More than a thousand years ago, arab culture did make noteworthy contributions to math and science»

no, they didn’t.

anonymous on June 14, 2010 at 9:36 am

Thank you. I saw this story. First of all most of the people of Turkey are not ARABS and most Muslims are not Arabs. Second I find it a little bit of bad science to confirm a persons ancestry by finger print. What about a piece of real DNA. Another thing, the Muslims were trying to blow up Milan cathedral in 2008. I have had an Imam tell me that they intend to blow up all the art treasures in europe because they are blasphemous. So DaVinci is Italian, end of story.

Anne on July 16, 2011 at 5:59 pm

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