December 18, 2007, - 11:36 am

Good News . . . For U.F.O. Believers: Federal Court Sides With Them, Sort of; Iran Believes in Outer Space Creatures

By Debbie Schlussel
Do you believe there are alien life forms in the universe? Well, then, there’s good news for you, Jimmy Carter, and Dennis Kucinich (both believe in aliens–the extraterrestrial kind), coming out of a settlement between the team of the SciFi channel and freelance writer Leslie Kean and NASA, which they sued.
While I doubt this info will settle anything, once and for all. After all, they still have “Area 51″ and Roswell, New Mexico to fantasize about:

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The U.S. government says nothing of note happened in this small town in the hills of southwestern Pennsylvania at 4:47 p.m. on Dec. 9, 1965. A meteor may have passed by, but no alien ship or Russian space probe fell to Earth, as many here believe.
Still, Bill Bulebush, 82, says he knows what he saw, heard and smelled, despite the doubts of the government and others in this community 40 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
“I looked up and saw it flying overhead and it was sizzling,” said Bulebush, a retired truck driver. “I found it in the woods down there [in a valley] and I got to it 15 to 20 minutes after it landed. I saw it 10 to 15 feet away from behind a big tree — because I was worried it might blow up — and it smelled like sulfur or rotten eggs and was shaped like a huge acorn, about the size of a VW.”
Other people said that shortly afterward, dozens of Army soldiers and three members of the Air Force showed up; later that night a flatbed military truck took the object away.
Despite such accounts, the government has been “trying to make it out like we’re a bunch of liars,” Bulebush said. But now he and his fellow believers may have their best chance yet to prove their case.
A recent settlement in a 4-year-long Freedom of Information Act court battle requires NASA to meticulously comb its files for documents about the Kecksburg incident.
The lawsuit was filed in December 2003 in the District of Columbia by Leslie Kean, a freelance journalist, with financial support from the SciFi Channel, which ran a show that year titled “The New Roswell: Kecksburg Exposed.”
Kean was asked by SciFi in 2002 to find a UFO case with credible witnesses and possible physical evidence. She created the Coalition for Freedom of Information to support the effort and to look into other “unexplained aerial phenomena.”
Part of Kean’s own criteria, despite SciFi’s title for the Kecksburg show, was to pick a case as far removed as possible from the 1947 incident in Roswell, N.M. — thought by many to be a crashed alien spaceship but later revealed to be a top-secret research balloon.
“The types that go to Roswell and parade in the street in costumes, we try to stay far, far away from that,” she said.
Kean pressed the case after she filed a Freedom of Information Act request earlier in 2003 and NASA said it couldn’t find any documents related to Kecksburg. But Kean already knew the space agency, which had a program in the 1960s to recover and analyze space debris, had some documents. Stan Gordon, a UFO and Bigfoot researcher with whom Kean was working, had information he got in response to a request he sent NASA in the 1990s. . . .
After NASA turned over about 1,000 pages of documents that failed to adequately address Kean’s request, the case boiled over on March 20 for federal Judge Emmet Sullivan, who had tried to move NASA along for more than three years.
According to a transcript, the judge angrily referred to NASA’s search efforts as a “ball of yarn” that never fully answers the request, adding: “I can sense the plaintiff’s frustration because I’m frustrated.”
A settlement was reached Oct. 17 specifying how NASA will make a new records search and that both sides must report to Sullivan periodically, starting Dec. 17. NASA also agreed to pay Kean $50,000 in attorneys’ fees and costs.
In a statement, NASA would say only that it was “conducting another records search.”
This past week Kean and her attorney received the first batch of documents: 689 pages of Form 135s, which are inventory sheets that indicate what is in boxes and files in NASA’s archives.
Based on a first read of the documents — from which Kean will select files for NASA to review for any documents related to Kecksburg — Kean said she’s “cautiously optimistic” that they’ll turn up something.
“I asked my attorney if she found the ‘Kecksburg UFO Explained’ file,” Kean said with a laugh. “She said, ‘Not yet.’ But I’m still hopeful.”

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By the way, our insane friends, the Iranians–like Carter and Kucinich–believe in UFOs:

Iranian air force encounter, 1976: Two Iranian F-4 fighter jets chase a UFO above Tehran. One pilot says he tried to fire at the object but his equipment was inoperable.

Good info for future strategies in trying to stop Ahmadinejad. Send a fake spaceship.

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Hey Debbie. Look into this subject with the same zeal you use in your other investigations. I guarantee you if you go into that with an open mind you will come out shocked. Our government has been fibbing about this subject since 1947. NASA/JPL paint up all moon and mars photos. Go to mars anomaly research.com and you will see on NASA’s own photos what is really there. The biggest lie of the century. Apparently they don’t beleive the public can handle the truth. They may be right–joe
[JB: I’M OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT, PERHAPS, THERE IS LIFE–LIKE BACTERIA OR ANIMAL ORGANISMS–OUT THERE, BUT NOTHING LIKE IN THE SCIFI MOVIES. I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT A SECRET FOR SO LONG. UNTIL I SEE PROOF, I’M SKEPTICAL. BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON’T RULE IT OUT. I JUST DON’T BELIEVE IT FOR NOW. DS]

JoeBoy on December 18, 2007 at 12:08 pm

Have you ever noticed that they always land in some out of the way rural town with a population of about 50?

Ford Jones on December 18, 2007 at 1:28 pm

[I’M OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT, PERHAPS, THERE IS LIFE–LIKE BACTERIA OR ANIMAL ORGANISMS–OUT THERE, BUT NOTHING LIKE IN THE SCIFI MOVIES.]
That’s what I believe too. NASA had the SETI project where they had a bunch of satellite dishes setup to receive out-of-this-world communications. I think NASA funded the project for about 30 yrs. and nothing came of it. Also, the Brits released their UFO files and concluded there was no proof of aliens visiting Earth. However, I do think NASA and the government at large need to be more upfront in regards to these UFO sightings. There may be good reasons for the secrecy but too much of it makes people’s minds wander.
[NB: ON THIS WE AGREE. I SEE MYSELF AS AN AGNOSTIC, RATHER THAN AN ATHEIST, ON THIS TOPIC. I DON’T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT UNTIL I SEE PROOF, I DON’T BELIEVE. MY VIEW IS, “SHOW ME IT EXISTS.” UNTIL THEN, I’M LIKE THE AMAZING RANDY: VERY SKEPTICAL. DS]

Norman Blitzer on December 18, 2007 at 1:48 pm

Girl, it sounds like you’ve got some boning up to do. One of the most influential lib lawyers around, Daniel Sheehan, Harvard Law(also deeply involved with Jesuits)is big on UFOs (and by extension concerned with Gov cover-up.)
http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail47.htm
In fact he was on the air last Sunday night for hours on the Art Bell Show hosted by well-known Las Vegas investigative reporter, George Knapp.
No, this is not a promo for Sheehan’s politics. Yes, this proves nothing—except that not all of the serious and highly educated laugh at the notion.
It will take time to bone up thoroughly. Take your time.
Now at gringoman.com MCCAIN IS BACK? REALLY?

gringoman on December 18, 2007 at 5:01 pm

Has to be life on other planets, how else to explain where islam came from?

John Cunningham on December 19, 2007 at 12:01 am

I’m a “geekette”.. and a physicist. Like so many of me kind, I love Sci-Fi- I’ve probably watched Mars Attacks 150 times and laughed at it each time I saw it. But… when people like lawyers, anti-government nutcases and people from Arkansas who have eleven toes proclaim the authenticity /government conspiracy about extraterrestrials, I start to gag.
Obviously, life- intelligent life- came about on our planet. Can’t deny that. BUT and here’s the big but- with all our scientific and mathematical expertise, we have to recognize the improbabilities of conditions that would foster life, and the enormous odds against chains of events to propogate it. Take the timeline of events necessary for a planet to form, to cool, to generate the environment to support life that we see on earth. Physics is largely predicatable, so if you adhere to a single “big bang” theory of the universe, everything should have a more or less equal playing field for development in the Cosmos. This should tell you that anywhere else in the universe as we know it would have the same point of origin and the same timescape. If by some chance, the odds were beaten more than once, as was the case with earth, it’s unlikely that life would be more advanced than we are- certainly not to the point where the funamental obstacles of space-time’s design could be transcended in terms of supraluminal travel, ability to amass quantities of energy necessary to manipulate space time and so forth.
It’s just far too improbable that life and civilization would be that advanced elsewhere. And if they ARE that advanced, they damn well should be smart enough to want to avoid coming here like the plague! :D
Just my thoughts-
[MD: GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. ALSO, I LOVE “MARS ATTACKS.” I’VE ALWAYS SEEN IT AS A GREAT ALLEGORY FOR HOW LIBS WANT US TO REACH OUT TO MUSLIMS, EVEN THOUGH THEY KEEP KILLING US. DS]

Mistress_Dee on December 19, 2007 at 10:06 am

For years National Enquirer offered $100,000 reward for anyone who could prove existence of UFOS. No takers but lots of fakers.
Maybe if UFOs do exist they are a type djinn – go on one of those Islamic ‘ask a question’ sites and that’s probably what they’ll say

poetcomic1 on December 19, 2007 at 3:10 pm

I saw more than one UFO out near Area 51 back in 1979 on a camping trip. I returned on another trip with some friends and observed them again.
Did we build them?
Did we reverse engineer them?
I do not know but if you saw what I saw you would wonder why it is all being kept secret.The craft we saw out there would revolutionize travel.They look like they have mastered anti-gravity.
We have craft that can hover absolutely silent and are huge. One that I saw was about a football field long and flew directly over my head on its way to area 51. The same night we observed several saucer shaped craft going in and out of area 51.
Sadly, you cannot get close enough anymore because the Government used the BLM to take over the area surrounding the base where we used to be able to camp and look down on the area 51 runway.
They now have a private security force that will turn you away before you can close to the base.
Why would a Government Base called area 51 use a private contractor for security rather than the Air Force or military police?
If you have Google Earth, use the following coordinates and you will see the base called area 51 that our own Government denies exists.
Groom Lake (Area 51): 37.24, -115.81

ScottyDog on December 19, 2007 at 10:22 pm

Area 51 is part of the Nellis Air Force Base range. Groom Lake one of many “dry lakes” with perfectly level natural terrain that you find in the western US. It’s no big secret that Groom Lake (aka “Dreamland”) is an area that is used for testing advanced aircraft, because of the large open and flat spaces, plus the remoteness of the location.
The F117 Nighthawk was tested there as was the YF12 (predecessor to the SR71 spy plane), and given the time frame you describe, you may have “observed” something like Tacit Blue- a tubshaped lifting bodied aircraft that would look like a cigar, albeit hardly the dimensions you describe.
Why does it seem unreasonable to you that the government in general, and the Air Force in particular, wouldn’t particularly want the general public observing testing of advanced aviation technology under development? Such things are like extending an open invitation to Osama to send a delegation to the next JCS meeting.
Many DoD contractors work on such things, notably companies like EG&G and in such cases many if not most will supply their own security teams for projects they work on.
Nothing that you point out isn’t more or less known by the general public except for the specifics of the projects underway there. and none of the governmet responses to such things seem unreasonable in the least, and they hype comes from conspiracy theorists who love to twist insignificant facts into observations of seemingly major importance, and make ill founded, but illogical leaps to conclusions.
As for google earth and the coordinates? Doesn’t it seem reasonable that since those are Satellite photos of that area, (none of which are current to the year, let alone the minute) that if there was some “Majestic 12-like” conspiracy going on, that there would be a big “hole” in that information? Is it not from the government that Google Earth obtains its imagery to begin with? I hardly think Google, rich as they may be, put up their own LandSats :D

Mistress_Dee on December 20, 2007 at 6:35 am

Agreed, Debbie- “[MD: GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. ALSO, I LOVE “MARS ATTACKS.” I’VE ALWAYS SEEN IT AS A GREAT ALLEGORY FOR HOW LIBS WANT US TO REACH OUT TO MUSLIMS, EVEN THOUGH THEY KEEP KILLING US. DS]

What I really find amusing about the “space aliens proponents” is that they use the same argument base (lack of evidence doesn’t prove they dont’ exist) that is so derided by the same sort of “pseudo science” foundationalists that will howl a blue streak when someone says the word “Intelligent Design” when it comes to origins of life.
As a scientist, I have always found that the more you learn about the universe, the more it leads you to the conclusion that nothing as preceise, orderly, or seeimingly ordained could come about by itself or by accident. I’ve taken a lot of heat over the years for being a physicist and a practicing Catholic.
Wheat I reallu find amusign about such things is the cognitive dissonance that prevails among the type who display this sort of reasoning.

Mistress_Dee on December 20, 2007 at 6:50 am

Mistress_Dee
Thanks for the geography lesson but I was there so I know how close Nellis AFB is to Area 51.
What I saw was no lifting body and it was silent. I am a pilot and know a little bit about airplanes both jet and prop driven. What I saw was not using the Bernoulli Effect to fly.
I never said anything about any conspiracy theory nor did I say the things I saw were alien. I did not mention anything about Majestic 12 or propose the craft were occupied by space aliens.
I was merely stating that I felt they had mastered anti gravity technology of some kind with the craft that we observed. I think it is highly possible they are working with the electro Magnetic effect and Anti Gravity.
It has been almost 30 years since I was able to observe the craft at Dreamland and there is nothing like it being used Publicly. I was born and raised in Southern California. Since I was a kid we have camped out in the desert and have observed many military aircraft near Mojave and the Black Mountain ranges over the years. We saw the flying wing being flown/tested out near Palm Dale long before they told the press they were researching the aircraft.
My point being that nothing I have seen since had the ability to fly silently or of the shape of the craft we observed out there. The smaller craft were saucer shaped and hauled ass. They accelerated so fast that I had to wonder how a pilot would remain conscious from the g forces.
For someone that is a scientist, you sure are well versed about all the conspiracy theories on UFO’s. You are quick to debunk what I saw as the mumblings of an individual that believes there are space aliens when all I was doing was posting my observations.
I am surprised you did not tell me it was swamp gas or accuse me of seeing ball lightning.
I have been a pilot for over 35 years and there is nothing publicly being discussed of what we saw at Groom Lake.
Did you bother to look at the Google earth sat images? I urged you to view the satellite photos because anyone with an internet connection can see what our Government claims does not exist.
BTW -There are Russian satellite images available of area 51 that have resolutions down to 1 meter, that any 12 year old can do a Google and see it for them selves viewing US satellite or Russian satellite photos?
Our Government looses credibility by denying the base exists IMHO. Everyone knows it is there including the Russians that probably have a satellite or satellites tasked to make daily observations.

ScottyDog on December 20, 2007 at 1:24 pm

Ok knowledge is the sum, of all our life’s lessons, thus far.
Telsla made the ability, of which we see is same principle, of UFO, think he died all his paperwork disappeared that very same night, coincidence, i think not, black ops very to highly probable.
Any who “stick religion, of any variety, get ya head out of ya rear, religion, is why so much of this planet is in such a mess”.
Creation yes – but without banging any particular version.
Man [ screwed up bigtime ], so your all seeing and powerfull,
you just go to another part of your, super duper Creation, and
start again, and if they obey, you give them the powers, say 100,000 years advanced on us [ ape creature/monkeys recently out the genetic caves ].

Update lesson, everone is running around [saying you need the speed of light, to travel], here and there, [WRONG]!

Anyone ever had a accident, [motor vehicle], the reverse occurs, [time slows down], allowing you all options, including the one prime-before you.
A [Blackhole is said to do just that, maybe a gateway/portal between universes/dimensions/time, pondering.

Mankind, already uses [ lasers to fire into space ],?[Why]? so in meeting new E.T.’s.
Ancient ancestors, attitude, [Whack], HI !! Peace a piece of what’s yours is now ours, but it takes, [man apes 50-60 years
in back engineering], to just the principles.
EG:
What the rest of us are seeing, in the varying forms, of crafts, no different from the varying forms, of manmade, flying
crafts, since 1st flight to current B15 stealth.
Look for the chances in 2012:
Of a [ thumb out you may just get the flight of your lifetime], if the Pharaohs can build a pyramid and foretell, 50,000 years BC to 2,000 AD, of 2012, they knew more the modern man.
Thus ends this meagre lesson for now.
Om Mani Padme Om – Children.

coops on September 23, 2010 at 8:08 pm

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