April 28, 2011, - 8:11 pm

Lara Logan, Liar/Sexist: Denies Knowing Muslims Abuse Women; Says Gang Rape is How Men WorldWide (Not Muslims) Treat Women

By Debbie Schlussel

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Wow.  Lara Logan is either an huge liar or an incredible moron.  I vote, Frickin’ Fraud. She’s turning her rape at the hands of Muslims into a politically correct, sexist, worldwide attack on “men” worldwide, claiming this is how all men treat women, including American and Western men. She says her rape “reaffirms the oppressive role of men in society.” Yup, Lara Logan’s rape by Muslims is a sign that all men around the world are rapists. Uh-huh.

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Alhamdillullah [Praise allah], Islam Fan Lara Logan Whitewashes Islam, Muslim Gang Rapists, Muslim Treatment of Women

In her first official interview about her sexual assault in Egypt at the hands of the “moderate,” “liberal” Muslim “democrats” over whom she endlessly cheered and gushed on TV, Lara Logan says she didn’t know about “Egyptian” (yet another euphemism for “Muslim”) abuse of women, and she still won’t even utter the words Muslim or Islam. She then says of 200-300 men in Tahrir Square who gang-raped her,

They raped me with their hands.

She says it lasted for 40 minutes.  Hmmm . . . raped for 40 minutes by a few hundred Muslims, and she just didn’t have the guts to tell us who did it, or to tell the world about it, then, when it mattered.  Instead, she and her fellow mainstream media reporters, along with many mindless, stupid conservatives, cheered on these people as “liberals,” as “moderates,” as “democrats,” as preferred to U.S. ally and stable leader Hosni Mubarak.

And, Lara, as the execrable Dr. Phil would ask, “Howz that workin’ for ya?”  Not to mention, how is it working for non-Muslims, for the U.S., for the West, for Israel, for the Middle East.  Not good in any respect.

And as for her lie that she didn’t know about “Egyptian” abuse of women, if she’s that utterly ignorant, she had no business being a reporter there.  This woman has covered the Middle East for years.  She knows very well about Muslim abuse of women.  She’s lying through her teeth.  A Frickin’ Fraud.

Sorry, but responsible rape victims call out their rapists.  Lara Logan won’t.  Again, she won’t mention the I (Islam) or M (Muslim) words–they aren’t mentioned once in the interview.  That’s because she’s a phony, no better than your average cowardly rape victim who allows the rapist to do it again.  She’s much worse, though, because she presented her gang rapists as liberal democrats to the world and never bothered to correct the record.  Not even now, well after the fact.  And she continues to lie to allow her gang rapists to gang rape again.

Um, there is no nebulous “they” who raped here with their hands.  It’s Muslims who raped her with their hands.  She has a microphone, a bully pulpit, and a responsibility to say so.  But she won’t.  She’s not a rape victim I’ll feel sorry about.  She’s a fraud.  Anyone who claims they didn’t know that Muslims abuse women is either blind, deaf, and dumb or living on another planet.  And she’s none of these.  She knew, but she’s politically correct . . . and so she lies.  It’s the same stuff I read on t-shirts of thugs and schmucks in the Detroit ghetto:  Bros Over Hos.  In Logan’s case it’s Islamic Bros Over Hos.  Her political correctness trumps calling out rapists.  Yup, she’s a ho, all right . . . for Islam.  Whoring out her integrity to protect Muslim gang rapists.

The real victims here are the dummies around America who watched her cheerleading reports about her gang rapists and never saw her make a correction.

The world attacked me when I called Lara Logan out for cheering on savage Muslims as liberal democrats and then getting a taste of the “liberation” over which she gushed.  But I was right then.  And I’m right now.  This interview with her–in which political correctness and pan-Muslims lies trump even her own rape story–says it in spades.

Yes, several hundred Muslims raped her with their hands. But she rapes the minds of billions around the world with her politically correct lies and attempts to cover up the fact that this is Islam–that this is how Muslims treat women.

Apparently, the only group of people in the world you’re allowed to identify as rapists are White Christian Duke Lacrosse players who never raped anyone.

More from this phony, who will never once mention Islam or Muslims, despite the fact that a few hundred of these savage believers in allah raped her for nearly an hour:

Lara Logan thought she was going to die in Tahrir Square when she was sexually assaulted by a mob on the night that Hosni Mubarak’s government fell in Cairo.

Ms. Logan, a CBS News correspondent, was in the square preparing a report for “60 Minutes” on Feb. 11 when the celebratory mood suddenly turned threatening. She was ripped away from her producer and bodyguard by a group of men who tore at her clothes and groped and beat her body. “For an extended period of time, they raped me with their hands,” Ms. Logan said in an interview with The New York Times. She estimated that the attack lasted for about 40 minutes and involved 200 to 300 men.

Anyone here believe that Muslims ripped her clothes off but only raped her with their hands and not their penises? If so, I have a few Middle Eastern deserts and wadis to sell you. She’s lying. Because she’s an absolute fraud who will lie to you and say anything to protect Islam, rather than tell the truth about her own rape.

Ms. Logan, who returned to work this month, is expected to speak at length about the assault on the CBS News program “60 Minutes” on Sunday night. . . .

Jeff Fager, the chairman of CBS News and the executive producer of “60 Minutes,” said that the forthcoming segment about the assault on Ms. Logan would raise awareness of the issue. “There’s a code of silence about it that I think is in Lara’s interest and in our interest to break,” he said.

PUH-LEEZE. Logan, CBS, and Fager aren’t breaking a code of silence. They’re maintaining it in the name of political correctness about Islam.

The assault happened the day that Ms. Logan returned to Cairo. . . . “The city was on fire with celebration” over Mr. Mubarak’s exit, she said, comparing it to a Super Bowl party.

Uh-huh. Muslim savages who gang rape are “just like” good old American sports fans at a Super Bowl party. You keep telling yourself that, Lara. The problem is that she keeps telling this to the world and won’t tell the truth.

As the cameraman, Richard Butler, was swapping out a battery, Egyptian colleagues who were accompanying the camera crew heard men nearby talking about wanting to take Ms. Logan’s pants off. She said: “Our local people with us said, ‘We’ve gotta get out of here.’ That was literally the moment the mob set on me.”

Mr. Butler, Ms. Logan’s producer, Max McClellan, and two locally hired drivers were “helpless,” Mr. Fager said, “because the mob was just so powerful.” A bodyguard who had been hired to accompany the team was able to stay with Ms. Logan for a brief period of time.

“For Max,” the producer, “to see the bodyguard come out of the pile without her, that was one of the worst parts,” Mr. Fager said. He said Ms. Logan “described how her hand was sore for days after — and the she realized it was from holding on so tight” to the bodyguard’s hand.

“My clothes were torn to pieces,” Ms. Logan said.

She declined to go into more detail about the assault but said: “What really struck me was how merciless they were. They really enjoyed my pain and suffering. It incited them to more violence.”

Uh, yeah, but who is the “they” who were merciless and enjoyed her pain? We know who it is: Muslims. But she won’t say, because she’s–in the end–a pathetic, lying rape victim eager to protect her gang rapists for political reasons.

Is a person who covered war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other Muslim nations for several years that stupid–that dense!–that she is suddenly “struck” by the mercilessness of Muslims and their joy at the pain of their victims, particularly Western and female victims? Then, she’s a clueless morons. And I don’t buy it, even if she was a swimsuit model and whore who slept around and broke up marriages in the war zone. She knows what Muslims are about. She just doesn’t have the guts to say so. Sorry, but this fraud-ette ain’t a rape victim. She’s a propagandist whose body was temporarily taken for the Muslim Brotherhood’s cause and who is now willingly, deliberately giving her mind and voice to protect them, too. A frickin’ liar with Cairo Syndrome (the Stockholm moniker needs to be changed).

Ms. Logan said she decided almost immediately that she would speak out about sexual violence both on behalf of other journalists and on behalf of “millions of voiceless women who are subjected to attacks like this and worse.”

Well, they are still voiceless because this new “voice” on their behalf won’t tell the truth about Islam and the Muslim identity of her gang rapists.

Oh, and here’s the big lie:

Before the assault, Ms. Logan said, she did not know about the levels of harassment and abuse that women in Egypt and other countries regularly experienced. “I would have paid more attention to it if I had had any sense of it,” she said. “When women are harassed and subjected to this in society, they’re denied an equal place in that society. Public spaces don’t belong to them. Men control it. It reaffirms the oppressive role of men in the society.

Uh, NO. Not “men.” MUSLIM men. This isn’t about men around the world, but this fraud, Lara Logan, is trying to turn what savage Muslim men did to her into something she can project onto Western men and men everywhere else . . . as if they behave the same as Muslim men. She knows better. But, again, she’s a fraud. A liar. A phony.

After the “60 Minutes” segment is broadcast, though, she does not intend to give other interviews on the subject. “I don’t want this to define me,” she said.

The rape will define Logan. And her political correctness to defend her Muslim gang rapists will define everything she does, as it did her undeserved gushing over the Egyptian Muslim savages in Tahrir Square.

Among the letters she received, she said, was one from a woman who lives in Canada who was raped in the back of a taxi cab in Cairo in early February, amid the protests there. “That poor woman had to go into the airport begging people to help her,” Ms. Logan recalled. When she returned home, “her family told her not to talk about it.”

And now that poor woman is being raped again by Lara Logan’s denial, just like her family’s. Don’t talk about it . . . at least, don’t talk about the Muslims involved.

On Sundays’ “60 Minutes,” you can be sure about one thing: there will be no truth about Lara Logan’s “40 Minutes.”

**** UPDATE: Reader S writes,

Debbie… Just read your article regarding Lara Logan. I happen to think that Lara logan is both a propagandist for the Muslim brotherhood as well as a rape victim. I do not believe that the two are necessarily mutually exclusive.

What I’m sure that we both agree on however, is that she is reprehensible for not confirming to the world (as many media outlets have reported) that those Muslims who assaulted her repeatedly shouted ‘JEW! JEW! JEW!’ during the attack. I don’t expect her to address that issue on 60 minutes either.

AMEN.

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Another excellent post, Debbie.

I fear that the moronic left-wingers along with some phony conservatives who viciously attacked you a couple of months ago will be here soon. I pray that I’m wrong.

JeffE on April 28, 2011 at 8:53 pm

Debbie, you are spot on this fraud of a journalist! I read this article with one of my co workers who is female by the way and we both have served with the US. Army in the Middle East. She looked at me and said that Lara is definetly lying about those details muslim men do not give a crap about western women or even their own women and the fact that they stripped her, raped her, and beat her and yelled “jew” “jew” and she still does not acknowledge this that muslim culture is what caused this is mind boggling. Also I guess CBS is very cheap when it comes to security with one guard and two local Egyptian drivers they must of been promised a bonus to protect her which they failed at that. Also who in the heck is in charge of security at CBS since Lara logan nor one of her aides could not even have the sense to check out the State Department Website for travel advisories which most people with common sense do when they visit a foreign country that women need to pay special attention for sexual harrasment and sexual assaults while visiting Egypt it has been a given that women are treated very bad over not only in Egypt but all the Muslim countries! After all it was not like those attacks just started there was a clear trend of violence during those so called peaceful riots or to the dumb mainstream media they like to call freedom demonstrators. I was feeling sorry for her and thought that with all of her so called war reporting experience in the Middle East which by the way she was mostly as a embed reporter with security courtesy of the U.S. Military she would have been aware of the hazards but, I agree with you Debbie that she is flat out lying. So much for being the chief foreign news correspondent hell I could have advised her alot better before going back after being warned not to come back by the Egyptian authorities. Guess She took one for the mainstream libitard media and is still drinking the coolade!

ELI on April 28, 2011 at 8:53 pm

Her rape is on Arab websites…..and it’s rape rape

Barry Sorento on April 28, 2011 at 9:34 pm

In 1989, Gamal Gharbi – son of an Algerian muslim man and French Canadian woman – murdered 14 female students in Montreal, in an obvious act of jihad-terror. Gharbi had changed his name to Marc Lepine. The media has suppressed all commentary on the base islamic motivation of the killer. of course, the incident has presented an opportunity for an annual male-bashing events across Canada. Men – and not islam – bear collective blame. Read how the self-described “rational erudite” sublimated sharia enforcement in a so-called “anti feminist massacre.” Muhammadamism whitewashed again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine#L.C3.A9pine.27s_suicide_statement

Vlad the Jihadi Impaler on April 28, 2011 at 9:48 pm

Debbie, you should be ashamed of yourself for printing such outrageous slander!

First: you don’t know that Logan’s rapists were Muslims. In case you haven’t heard, there ARE a sizable number of Christians in Egypt! For you to throw such thunderbolts at Muslims as a whole without the slightest bit of proof other than your own bigotry and hatred is disgusting. By the way, I understand that Egypt has a particular problem with women getting groped in public. I have not heard the same about other Muslim countries, at least not in the eight Muslim countries besides Egypt I have visited.

By the way, you might wanted to have checked annual UN statistics on rape. You might have found that while Egypt’s rape rate is 0.1 per 100,000 people in 2009, as opposed to 28.6 per 100,000 in the United States. Hell, even Israel’s rape rate for 2009 is 17.6 per 100,000.

Who’s the “savage”?

Yes, culture in the Middle East has a lot of problems. So do all human cultures including our own. That doesn’t excuse the failings of cultures in the Muslim world, it just means we have no right to point the finger in self-righteous judgement at the speck in our neighbor’s eye while we have a plank in our own eye. We have no right to claim moral superiority while our own culture spawns violent crime at such high rates relative to some countries.

Even admitting that Muslim culture is messed-up, what, then? Are we supposed to cheer on their dictators that steal them blind, jail and torture them, suppress their freedom of expression and their rights to participatory democracy? Are we to say, “Well, gee, these Muslim types are just not mature enough or ‘ready’ for self-rule. They’re better off kept under control by tin-horn dictators”?

And as for Logan’s supposed denial of the “barbarity” of Muslim men for reasons of political correctness: this is utter bullshit. 1). You have no proof that this is her reasoning. Again, your only proof is your hatred of anyone who does not hate Muslims as much as you do, and your supposition that if they don’t, they must have nefarious motivations for not spewing fascistic, bigoted hate speech upon them…like YOU do; 2). If you’ve spent any amount of time in the Muslim world, you grow to really love the people. Of course, there are evil people in the Muslim world, bad people who would slit your throat as soon as looking at you; while I’ve heard about people like that, I have not met any like that in Egypt, Palestine, Israel, Ethiopia, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq, Dubai or Jordan when I was in any of these places. Pretty much all of the Muslims I’ve met in these places were friendly, hospitable people. When you develop a liking to the people in a particular part of the world, then yes, you will tend to think the best of them, and be more willing to overlook their failings. Maybe this is what is why Logan refuses to curse the entire Muslim world for the evil actions of a relative handful.

Shame, shame, shame on you! Shame for your hatred, contempt, disrespect, utter heartlessness and lack of compassion, for your eagerness to believe the worst of people. Your words are sickening, disgusting, reprehensible, and I am ashamed that there are people in my own country like you!

May God have mercy on your miserable soul! You must be very unhappy within yourself to have such a hateful mindset as this. I pity you, as well as all those who listen to you and take you seriously. May God have mercy on us all.

Kevin Morrow

KM: Bloody hilarious. You spend so many paragraphs to tell me Lara Logan’s rapists–who were in a sea of Muslims in Egypt and shouted “Jew! Jew! Jew!”–weren’t Muslim. I suppose they were Samoan or Fijian. Or maybe Wiccan or Hare Krishna? Like I said, frickin’ hilarious. Use your brain . . . assuming you have one (and on that, yes, we cannot assume). Oh, and by the way, the majority of crimes in America are committed by Blacks (mostly against Black victims), and yet they are only 11% or so of American society. By your “argument,” that doesn’t equate b/c you claim that people commit crimes in proportion to their percentage in society. Uh, not how it works, honey. Please take a logic class. You don’t have any. DS

Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    This is the problem with you leftists – you are in denial of reality – just like Lara Logan.

    And cuz you can’t bear to face the truth about Islam, you’d rather attack the messenger instead.

    Please stop embarrassing yourself. If Debbie Schlussel had never existed, Islam would still be a death cult.

    And a rape cult, too. Keep telling yourself the Religion Of Peace is as pure-driven as the snow. Huh huh.

    Until it comes for you one day.

    NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Yeah, it was Egyptian Coptic Christians, a minority in the country, and sometimes victims of Muslim Egyptian violence and bigotry themselves, who might have attacked Lara Logan.

    Also, the Easter Bunny was possibly with them. We can’t rule that out.

    Not Likely on April 28, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    Nice one Debbie,,,,,,KM – shot down in flames. Eject before you hit the ground….too late

    Dmitri on April 28, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Lies, Lies and damn statistics. Do you really believe Egyptian statistics? Hah I have a bridge to sell you.

    Lonewolf on April 29, 2011 at 8:16 am

    I wonder exactly how many WOMEN Kevin was interacting with in all of his travels to the Middle East. And to quote statistics on reported rapes in Middle Eastern countries is a joke! Muslim women get STONED for reporting rape. They have to have four MEN witness the rape and testify to it in order to even report it! And then their own families stone them for bringing dishonor to the family by being a rape victim. Yep! I can certainly understand why women in the Middle East go to great lengths to prosecute their rapists…NOT!

    As for your “rape statistics” for Israel, how many of the rapists were Jewish, and how many were Palestinian or some other Arab background? How many of the VICTIMS were Jewish or American or some other Western background?

    Not sure why you’re so supportive of the caveman culture of the Middle East, Kevin, but as a man I really don’t think you’re in the best position to report on the experiences of WOMEN in those cultures.

    DG in GA on April 29, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Imagining their genuine fear to tell the truth, CBS’ dishonesty–by omission–is almost understandable. Your courageous commitment to Truth, Debbie, is almost unbelievable. Hell, I can hardly admit I’m in agreement with you. Thank you for speaking out when it matters.

lee on April 28, 2011 at 9:57 pm

Logan’s silence on the subject is strangely similar to “moderate muslims” silence on the 9/11 attacks. She speaks out on rape as their spokespeople speak out about the killing of innocent civilians, but neither party addresses the root cause of each of these evil deeds…..islam.

jdiz on April 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm

Moderate Muslims silent on 9/11?

Take a look through this simple Google search and then tell me that moderate Muslims were “silent” about 9/11:

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=muslims+speak+out+on+9%2F11&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=67c701de367b5b26

More likely, the news media didn’t consider it important enough to give a platform to these voices.

KM: How many “moderate” Muslims denounce Hezbollah and HAMAS? That’s the real test. The phony denunciation of Al-Qaeda is just a PR act, and dummies like you fell for it. Wake up. DS

Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 10:09 pm

@ Kevin…

“Are we supposed to cheer on their dictators that steal them blind, jail and torture them, suppress their freedom of expression and their rights to participatory democracy? Are we to say, “Well, gee, these Muslim types are just not mature enough or ‘ready’ for self-rule. They’re better off kept under control by tin-horn dictators”?

YES!!! It keeps the suicide bombers and democracy-haters out of our country and those countries that don’t believe in shariah.

jdiz on April 28, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Let’s point out the Syrian regime is butchering its people like unwanted livestock and the world’s reaction is mum.

    I thought we should have worked for the overthrow of the barbaric Assad rather the moderate Mubarak.

    But here we are indifferent to a murderous regime allied with Iran, that supports HAMAS and Hezbollah and which has sent terrorists into Iraq to kill American soldiers.

    On this Left remains silent.

    NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:31 pm

We can be sure all of Debbie’s leftist seminar e-mailers will pile on her in outrage for denouncing a rape victim and being heartless towards Lara Logan – again.

The truth gets no respect in this world!

NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm

So, jdiz, you’re willing to accept the enslavement of millions of people for the sake of your own comfort and safety? Really? Have you no conscience?

And by the way: in September 2001, the Muslim world was all “safely” in lock-down under the thumb of its manifold dictators…that didn’t work out so well for us, eh?

This lie you espouse comes straight from the mouth of Hosni Mubarak and company. And it is a lie…in fact, I think that dictatorship has fanned the flames of Islamism, if anything. When people are denied the ballot box, they reach for their shotguns.

This is what happened in Ireland a century ago, except that IRA terrorism in the south (what’s now the Republic of Ireland) actually worked in ejecting the British from the southern counties of the island, while IRA terrorism in the North failed. The troubles in Ulster are a direct result of British imperialism.

And once people reach for their shotguns in such a way, things tend to spill over borders, because terrorists will take handouts (money, weapons, training, safe haven) wherever they find them.

So no…it does NOT and HAS NOT, and NEVER will keep the suicide bombers and democracy-haters out of our country and those countries that don’t believe in shariah.

Think about it…

KM: How many Jews or Christians (the very few that remain) will be able to own shotguns under the “new” Yemeni leadership? Under the new Egypt leadership? Wake the frick up. DS

Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Karen:

    Using my logic, you would never assume such a horrible thing without statistical evidence to prove it. Plus, if you know anything about the Israeli population, a large proportion of which is secular, even in many cases atheistic, you wouldn’t be so quick to tar Israeli Arabs with that brush.

    Also, you’re probably right about the reporting of rape. At least in the Arab world, Muslim culture is very much a honor-shame based culture. There would definitely be less impetus to report rape. But even if you quadrupled the rates I quoted, or even multiplied them times 20, it’s still a drop in the bucket compared to the US, in which rape is also under-reported.

    JeffE: Palestinians are like anyone else. When the choices at the ballet-box are between two evils, you do the best you can. The Fatah-controlled PA government was corrupt and run by thugs, and people were tired of it. At least Hamas tries to feed people and distribute financial support to the needy. It may be cynicism on their part, done just for show. Even still, it was more than what Fatah was doing, so the Palestinian electorate in Gaza threw the bums out, kind of like what we’ve been doing in our elections over the last five years.

    NormanF: “Keep telling yourself the Religion Of Peace is as pure-driven as the snow”? Well, for the record, I spent five months in Israel and the West Bank as a missionary working amongst Palestinian Muslims. In my opinion, no religion but Christianity is a “religion of peace…pure-driven as the snow.” All man-made attempts to bring the divine down to earth will go badly astray, including Islam, just as much as is the case with Mormonism, Jainism, Buddishm, Hinduism, Shintoism, etc. I have NEVER assumed that Islam is a religion of peace. I also think, though that the various twisted, unbiblical interpretations of Christianity also produce false counterfeit religion which, for instance, convinces its adherents that the United States has been given a divinely-ordained mission to ram democracy down the throats of other countries, at gunpoint if necessary.

    Until it comes for you one day.

    Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 10:50 pm

      Kevin,

      Re: your 10:50 pm post–in response to my 10:34 post:

      “JeffE: Palestinians are like anyone else. When the choices at the ballet-box are between two evils, you do the best you can. The Fatah-controlled PA government was corrupt and run by thugs, and people were tired of it. At least Hamas tries to feed people and distribute financial support to the needy. It may be cynicism on their part, done just for show. Even still, it was more than what Fatah was doing, so the Palestinian electorate in Gaza threw the bums out, kind of like what we’ve been doing in our elections over the last five years”

      So when will the next elections be held in Gaza? And if it happens, will someone who runs on a platform of recognizing Israel’s right to exist and maybe even–dare I imagine it?–have Israel re-liberate Gaza be allowed to even run there? 3) And if so, will the so-called Palestinians elect such a candidate/party? My answer to those questions are: 1) On the 12th of never. 2) (In the event that my answer to number 1 is wrong), NO WAY! 3) Answer is inoperable, because such candidate/party will not live to see election day.

      But so much for my answers–as well as Debbie’s and others. What are your answers, Kevin?

      JeffE on April 28, 2011 at 11:06 pm

        Re: my 11:06 pm post:

        The beginning of my response should read: “Okay, then I have three questions: 1) So when will the next elections be held in Gaza? 2) And if it happens,…”

        JeffE on April 28, 2011 at 11:30 pm

      Kevin,

      You are either a muslim using a Western name, or the stupidest motherf–ker in the world.

      Virtually no rape victim in the Islamic world will report a rape; if they do, they will be stoned to death, as in Iran or Pakistan.

      Oft times, the woman is burned to death before she can report the rape.

      Your statistics were pulled out of your ass; you know absolutely nothing.

      In some Arab cities, women are not even allowed on the streets without a male companion; otherwise, they are considered prostitutes and considered fair game to rape.

      Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 8:01 am

      There are no moderate Palestinian parties. The two leading Palestinian groups both advocate Israel’s destruction and they refuse to consider real peace with the Jewish State.

      That is clear all but the willfully self-deluded, blind and dumb. The fact the Palestinians freely elected extremists when given democracy under Bush showed their true colors.

      They don’t support Hamas because of all the welfare services it provides. In fact they support it because it promises the eliminate the Jews!

      So yes, they are visceral anti-Semites. Not that I absolve Israel’s capo leadership from their hypocritical speeches on Holocaust Remembrance Day. But at least even Israeli hypocrites recognize peace is impossible with people who want to kill you.

      So what’s there to negotiate about? Nothing that will lead to peace in our lifetime.

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Well Kevin,

    You remind me of homosexuals that support muslim maniacs, even though they know those same islamists want to kill them first if their plans come to fruition. Just as long as the leftists get their way, they will take it bent over for the cause.

    Man Parrish on April 29, 2011 at 5:15 am

@KM I am sure that Egypt’s real rape statistic is actually much higher. I am sure that plenty of women who are raped there do not report it because as we all know in Muslim societies it is the rape victim who is punished not the rapist.

Secondly, using your logic it is probably safe to assume that most of the rapes in Israel were committed by Arabs since they make up about 15-20% of the population :-P

Karen on April 28, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Karen, its a good bet most of the rapes in Israel are committed by Arabs.

    Few report them to Israel’s corrupt pro-Arab police. Like here with blacks, in Israel the crime statistics lie and are massaged to make the statistics look more favorable to the Arabs.

    But real life is very different and you won’t hear Leftist apologists for Islam get around to acknowledging that for it would – no surprise – stigmatize Islam and we can’t have it!

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm

Kevin Morrow,

You write in your 10:23 pm post:

“I think that dictatorship has fanned the flames of Islamism, if anything. When people are denied the ballot box, they reach for their shotguns.”

Then explain what about the 2006 elections in Gaza when the so-called Palestinians had elected Hamas–who openly rejects peace with Israel and wants Israel and the Jewish people wiped out.

JeffE on April 28, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Exactly. Like I said most of the Middle East is a swamp in which nothing good grows there.

    We should stay out in principle but we should work to overthrow regimes hostile to us, like Syria’s and leave regimes that don’t bother us, like Libya the heck well enough alone.

    And we should back Muslim rulers who oppose Islamism and terrorism.

    As well help Israel to defeat Iran and HAMAS And Hezbollah.
    And encourage it to keep the heartland of the Jewish State, Judea and Samaria, within its borders.

    What we are doing is the exact opposite and one day it will come back to inflict on us much suffering.

    Common sense is not too much to ask for in our Middle East policy.

    NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:46 pm

Kevin, the forces waiting in the wings in most Arab countries are Islamists – due to their huge growth potential.

Tunisia and Syria have the best chance of transitioning to democracy because of the educated population and large middle class.

By and large though, they are the exception to the rule. Of the Middle East is a cultural wasteland of fervent fanaticism and visceral hostility to Western style democracy.

The West’s intervention in Libya made no sense. Intervening in Syria would get rid of a terrorist regime that has created terror and instability in the region for decades.

Syrians are standing up to the dictatorship but you Western liberals loathe them because you find the barbaric Assads with the Western dress and good French to be “reformers.”

Wake the heck up!

NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Normanf: Sigh…making assumptions again. I have never had warm, fuzzies for the likes of Assad and son, especially now that Assad Jr. has proved to be a cold-blooded killer like his father.

    Also, I have a Yemeni friend, a former Muslim who is now a Christian, who keeps in close contact with his family back in Yemen, and they are telling him that the younger generation, which is a large majority of the Yemeni population, is just as much against the tyranny of the imams as they are against the tyranny of the dictators.

    Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 10:56 pm

@ Kevin

Are Hosni Mubarak or Saddam or Muammar dictators that believe in Christian or Jewish values? Nope. Remember a few minutes ago when I said “but neither party addresses the root cause of each of these evil deeds…..islam.” ???

No one is speaking about Ireland, hippie. Americans dont reach for their shotguns if they are dissatisfied w/ government leaders because our government leaders (in theory) make decisions for the people, not because allah told them so. They protest, have rallies, or blog. Stick to the topic.

The muslim world has never been safely locked down. As mentioned several times on this site, muslims abroad are no different than the ones on US soil.

jdiz on April 28, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    jdiz: If you think all Muslims are barbarous savages, then you know nothing about Islam.

    By the way, Muslims constitute something like almost a quarter of the world’s population. You really think you can predict with such finely-honed powers of intellect how 1/4 of the world’s population are going to act in any given situation? Wow, you must have god-like analytical powers the rest of poor mortals lack!

    Come on…Muslims are a hugely diverse population. For every act of Muslim barbarism, I could show you acts of Christian barbarism, like in Central Africa or the Philippines, where Muslims and Christians slaughter each with mutual abandon. More often than not, the violence you see in the Muslim world involves other willing actors, and it pretty much always involves political issues. Even when religious issues are used as gas to pour on the flame, it is usually just a fig-leaf for political conflict.

    and I was using Ireland as an example to illustrate the larger point.

    Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 11:04 pm

      You really are a complete ignoramous. You state “look at …the Philippines, where the Christians and Muslims slaughter each other.”

      Well, not only is my wife a Philipine Jew (but having left the islands years ago), but I have been to the Philippines. It is the Muslims who are targeting civilians, blowing up buses, attacking and raping school children, etc. and wanting to break away from the Philippines.

      The army of course attacks the terrorists, who place their operatives in the middle of civilian sites, a common traits of Muslim terrorists.

      In central Africa, the biggest group of mass murderers are Muslim. In East Africa, there was Idi Amin, a Muslim, who killed over 600,000 of his own people, and then fleeing for sanctuary to Saudi Arabia.

      The head of the Congo was a Muslim. Nigeria, the most corrupt country in the world, is Islamic dominated.

      In every Muslim country, either churches are banned, or they are destroyed, often with the occupants inside.

      You do not find mass destruction of mosques in the Western World.

      Oh, and before you bring up the Crusades, like a dimwit like you would, you should note that the original purpose of the Crusades was to recapture the Christian holy sites that the Muslims stole from the Christians and destroyed.

      Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 8:11 am

To be truthful – punishing our friends and rewarding our enemies is not going to make the Arab Muslim World grateful to us or want to draw closer to us.

Weakness breeds contempt and strength and persistence are traits admired in Arab culture.

When we bend over backwards to be nice to savages, it is any wonder that we get more terrorism and more mass slaughters. Its a simple rule: you reward the bad guys, you are going to get a lot more of them.

That’s true whether or not Lara Logan will acknowledge them in a TV interview.

NormanF on April 28, 2011 at 10:54 pm

Lara Logan was sexually assaulted because she is pretty and Islamic men cannot control themselves around an attractive woman…which explains why Christiane Amanpour will never have to worry about suffering through an ordeal of this nature…That is of course, unless she’s unlucky enough to ever find herself in a situation where she is surrounded by Muslims who all happen to be extremely nearsighted. Just sayin’

Irving on April 28, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Irving: You’re probably right. Unfortunately, because Lara Logan is a really good-looking woman, that increases her visibility as a target.

    Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 11:13 pm

      Rape is a crime of violence, not sex. To relate a woman’s attractiveness to such a crime is another way a blaming the victim. Maybe she was wearing a short skirt, too?

      I suppose you have “statistcal proof” of your position rightly derived from “critical thinking” developed over a grande-latte at Starbucks. Sorry, have to go now and watch PBS so I can pass judgement over the rest of the world.

      AB on April 29, 2011 at 10:43 am

DS: whoa. “The majority of crimes in America are committed by Blacks (mostly against Black victims), and yet they are only 11% or so of American society”? Really? If you’re going to make such a hideously racist statement like that, you better have some hard statistics to prove it.

Kevin Morrow on April 28, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    @Kevin

    I just took a quick look at the FBI stats for 2009 and on murder (with race known) over 50% of the offenders were black.

    llano2 on April 29, 2011 at 12:39 am

      Most of the rapes are black on black and I hazard a guess most of the rapes on white women come from black men. The statistics don’t lie.

      But they have to be sugar-coated since they present a social reality at odds with the kind of egalitarian society the Left wants to believe exists today.

      Not quite. Not in America and not anywhere else in the world.

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:33 pm

Wow. The more I read and learn here the more I see it is just FUTILE to argue with the PC crowd. They will NEVER. GET. IT.

DS has pure guts to speak so boldly on this issue. I assume it is as simple as she KNOWS her stuff, had dealt with this PC bullsh so long and as a serious Jewish women, has NOT the time anymore to be taken in by the dance of PCness. I learn the seriousness of this EVERYDAY HERE.

I also see how wimpy so-called Conservatives can be. Sometimes I would not see it because as a FORMER Lib, I used to automatically default that since the Libs told me lies, the REAL TRUTH lies in the Conservatives. That is NOT true anymore. They can be as feckless as the bloody Libs. They have their stupid, sacred cows (like PAWNN) and will take you down if you’re not in lockstep.

It’s time for us to understand this maybe what fuels DS and we should start to adopt it for ourselves. There is so much to learn, but at least here one can learn how the hell to have REAL cojones.

DS, I was just listening to Richard Miniter (have no idea what your thoughts on him are) plug his new book on KSM and it was one of those light-bulb moments for me. He was describing how KSM killed Daniel Pearl and DP’s mindset (as a left-leaning journalist, he felt he could get BOTH sides of the deal to understand) and that is pretty much what got him killed. He didn’t fully understand the danger (I can hear Steve Irwin say “Danger, danger, danger” in his Aussie accent) when he DEFINATELY should have. The way he died was heinous but if he thought in a more shrewd way, he would have seen his folly.

The author stated what got him killed (along with NOT understanding Islam) was that he was an American and a Jew.

I have come to see DS takes those two things she is (American and Jewish) VERY SERIOUSLY and does not have a SECOND to waste on those who know far less than she does. Also, with all she has done, I reckon she does not have the patience anymore for such bullsh. I barely do anymore and I am not up to par…not even a little.

This is serious. Especially if you are Jewish. DS is right on LL, who is NOT HELPING by equivocating.

I wonder what she says when it’s not to the press. She will prolly try to make herself believe her bullsh for the rest of her life? It’s NOT cool that she is giving us the souped-up PC version. DS has the guts to point this out. The only one, really.

S: I wrote all of that about Daniel Pearl in a column, a few years ago, and per usual, Richard Miniter rehashes what I have already said. Nothing new there. The difference, though, is that he’s a hypocrite b/c the WSJournal editorial page for whom he worked refused to run my letter to the editor pointing all this out about Daniel Pearl and his father. Here’s my original (far better than Miniter’s imitation regurge):
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4780/seven-years-later-daniel-pearls-father-still-doesnt-get-it/
Don’t forget that Minister’s bosses at the WSJ are the same ones who own PAWNN, the Saudi Prince and his buddy Rupert.
DS

Skunky on April 28, 2011 at 11:48 pm

At the end of the day those who learn and heed from DS will be smarter and more shrewd than silly, leftists and their pie-in-the-sky foolishness. (Daniel Pearl and Lara Logan)

These are the same fools wringing their hands over Gitmo and I just heard how great KSM has it down there. Wunderbar!

Oh, is Asma Assad still a rose in the dessert? Just asking. I wonder if Vogue is watching what is happening is Syria now?

What a bunch of um-gala-gala this American Press tries to feed us. And the useful idiots are just the rotten cherry on top.

Disgusting.

Skunky on April 29, 2011 at 12:08 am

“While Ms. Logan, CBS’s chief foreign affairs correspondent, said she would definitely return to Afghanistan and other conflict zones, she said she had decided — for the moment — not to report from the Middle Eastern countries where protests were widespread.”

Yes, I guess her career is more important than the truth. If she said a bunch of muslim men raped her and that they were cruel and enjoyed the pain they were inflicting on her, would she be allowed to report from Afghanistan? After all the Afghanis might think she is biased against Muslims and might not let her come in the country to be a reporter. Same goes with other muslim countries.

I could see how she wouldn’t want to be defined as a rape victim but that is what she is and for the sake of all of us Americans I would prefer to hear the entire truth. We need the truth so that we can respond properly. She does her audience a disservice when she doesn’t tell the entire truth. She has an incredible story to tell and she should write a book about her career and her encounter with 200 – 300 men in Cairo. I would bet that the majority and possibly all of those men were Muslim. 90% of people in Egypt are Muslim. Would Christians want to be in a crowd in protesting Muslims? Probably not. As for Jews, they were kicked out years before.

Lady in Northern Virginia on April 29, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Lady, that was my thought while reading Debbie’s post. I found myself wondering if it is CBS who wants her to keep the Muslim thing quiet, or is it Lara Logan who knows if she “outs” her attackers, she can probably never set foot in the Middle East again. But if she keeps her mouth shut about them being Muslim, they will know she is “on their side” so to speak. So in the interests of her CAREER this woman will protect her attackers.

    What I find myself wondering, however, is WHY any woman who endured a sexual assault at the hands of a mob of men would EVER want to deliberately put herself in that position ever again? I haven’t experienced this type of thing, but have NO intention of EVER traveling to the Middle East because it’s is absolutely NOT SAFE for Western women. That said, I ALSO don’t travel into downtown Atlanta after dark because it is ALSO not safe for women. That’s just common sense.

    DG in GA on April 29, 2011 at 12:57 pm

When will these liberals ever learn? What will it take for them to reckon with the true nature of the Muslims in that society?Its bad enough that a lot of them are Arab apologists but I would think or hope that Ms. Logan would have more clarity after what she has been through.I guess I was sadly wrong.I do know that self blame is common among rape victims but a lot of them won’t cover for their rapists.They wont live live in a state of denial.Women who are denied equality and when their rights are not recognized; mainly in Islamic dominated societies will be subjected to sexual harassment and gender persecution.Islam regards women as second class citizens(should they be that lucky).Those are facts, Lara!
What would have happened if Ms. Logan were (unlikely) raped by Jews in Israel while trying to do a coverage?What would the initial reaction of the media and Lara?They would try to use that story to incite a world wide pogrom against us – vilifying Judaism and linking it to the practitioners.Israel would be condemned for this incident and the media would be on our case indefinitely.This brings me to ask why do these self hating religious bashing leftists make an exception for Islam?Why is it that they are not hesitant to link our “violent behavior” with our religious faith but will gladly exonerate the Muslims for the atrocities they have committed? The atheistic irreligious left will go on a warpath bashing Judeo-Christian principles but will glorify the Arab culture as being exotic.I fail to understand what is so exotic about it since they essentially live on violence and mayhem.
Since when have we lost our pride and shame to political correctness?

American Sabrah on April 29, 2011 at 3:15 am

The poor woman is an in-denial true believer, like those people who survived the Stalinist show trials and remained dedicated Communists.

Miranda Rose Smith on April 29, 2011 at 3:30 am

The love of the left for muslims is the from the noble savage myth of Roseau.

leto on April 29, 2011 at 3:39 am

    No, not really, because, you see, we don’t consider Muslims savages like you all do. Or, to put it a different way, we abhor the unthinking bigotry (which in my book constitutes a new type of anti-semitism which is as bad as the old anti-semitism) which people like Debbie Schlussel and company exhibit.

    Kevin Morrow on April 29, 2011 at 7:56 am

      You refuse to see that moral norms don’t apply to them. Think of Vittorio Arrigoni. He was as pro-Islamist and anti-Israel as a Westerner can be and they killed him. Even being on their side isn’t enough to save your life.

      Keep telling yourself they’re exactly like us!

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm

how come you aren’t covering this story?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/28/police-massachusetts-man-attacks-wife-hammer/?test=latestnews

i guarantee you if this man was Muslim you would have raced to your computer and typed out pages of your typical bigoted opinions.

Shad on April 29, 2011 at 3:59 am

    Shad – Based on your link we do not know he was not a Muslim.

    That having been said, if not a Muslim than this man is not a part of a group that does this all the time and then justifies it by rulings from religious authorities considered by most Muslims to represent authentic Islam.

    David Makowsky on April 29, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Muslim clerics approving of abusing one’s wife to keep her submissive.

    Islam sanctions violence towards women. Obviously you and the Lara Logans of the world avert your eyes from it cuz you know its true.

    Saying non-Muslims abuse their wives also isn’t the same since non-Muslims disapprove of domestic violence.

    What’s exceptional here happens every day all over the Muslim World.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      What’s exceptional here happens every day all over the Muslim World.

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      Reply

      You took the words right off my keyboard.

      Miranda Rose Smith on May 1, 2011 at 4:08 am

Lara Logan needs to be raped again… or maybe she enjoyed it.

Otherwise, she would name her attackers…Muslims.

Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Jon, I’ve never heard of a more bashful woman!

    I’m sure if Debbie, G-d forbid, was ever a rape victim, she’d name her attackers.

    When it comes to evil guys, you’d want to see them brought justice?

    Why doesn’t Logan? Or is rape is solely the province of white American guys these days? I gotta wonder.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:31 pm

60 Minutes has long been known for deliberately biased reporting. This was documented as far back as the early 1980′s when the availability of relatively inexpensive video cameras allowed subjects of 60 Minutes interviews to tape the whole interview and show what was cut out.

I really don’t pay attention to 60 Minutes anymore. I wonder what kind of ratings they get.

There is NO Santa Claus on April 29, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Given that the average age of “60 Minutes’ ” correspondents is about 300 years old (sarcasm alert), I’d say that the core audience would be six feet under.

    ConcernedPatriot on April 29, 2011 at 9:07 am

Ms. Logan is but one in a long litany of people throughout history who, because of what they espouse, deserve no sympathy for what they went through. I’m thinking of the woman (Velma Hart, I.I.N.M.) who voted for Obama and then, last year, complained to him at a town-hall meeting that she was perilously close to being consigned back to a “macaroni and cheese” existence which from which she sought to escape – and after losing her job, still indicated she supported Obama’s fraudulent “hope and change” hocus-pocus. Duh, perhaps it was precisely because of her support for him that she is being condemned back to such sub-existence?

ConcernedPatriot on April 29, 2011 at 9:06 am

wow, you’ve just proved how damn unprofessional you are, to argue back on comments. You seem to lack research skills that are needed to be a journalist and seem content to just run with any kind of story that might get you noticed. By the way, until facebook went crazy with muse fans hating your guts today, I didn’t know your name. I’ve glanced through the articles and realized how much bullshit you write. You can’t exactly call Lara Logan sexist after you’re matt bellamy slating can you? You really make me suddenly want to change career ideas, since you probably just wrecked journalism for me. Kudos for the lack of information, detail or fair play since every article you write seems to be more about getting you noticed via controversy than wit. You’re an incredibly lazy journalist, and the idea that anyone would pay to subscribe to your endless bullshit sickens me.

kelly beestone on April 29, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Kelly Bee, you’ve just embarrassed yourself and don’t even know it. You have proven that today, journalism majors ought to give it up and just join the Barbazon School of Modeling because you are all airheads.

    You saying all those things about DS’ lack of investigative skills shows what an ignorant git you are and that you have NOT seen the work she has done. It’s in the archives, dopey. Start researching.

    You haven’t even covered a local elderly dinner and you come here big-noting when you have NO clue what you’re talking about. You’re just gushing emotion. Like the silly girl you are.

    Have YOU gone undercover at Islamic centres? Have you protested Islamic pandering synagogs? Have you had exclusives that other prominent journalists have stole? NO

    But DS has, so why don’t you stop being a big-mouthed slob and start hitting the archives here BEFORE you start throwing around crap you have NO CLUE about. Silly girl.

    Skunky on April 29, 2011 at 10:14 am

    As an attorney, Debbie is a far better observer of the world than many journalists too lazy to discover the facts for themselves.

    More like in Logan’s case, they don’t bother to share those facts with the rest of us. This is very typical of the media.

    But you obviously believe everything they tell you. No wonder people in this country are reluctant to learn the truth for themselves and that’s why you’re shocked at what’s posted here.

    There are things you will never learn from reading a newspaper or watching the MSM evening newscast. And what Debbie posts on here, I guarantee you’ll never find it elsewhere. Its unique content and if I may so, it speaks for itself.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:49 pm

Deborah,
All I can say is that you obviously have no experience in foreing aid work. I have been a foreign aid worker and sexual assaults like this are a world wide problem. There was recently a huge scandal in the Peacecorp abotu the fact that hundreds of women have been raped while serving them in foreign countries. I have never worked in a Muslim country in my life, but I have experienced sexual assaults in every single country I have done foreign aid work in. Being groped over and under my clothes is just such a normal thing now it hardly phases me, I just expect it. I have experienced more serious sexual assaults as well. It is unfortunately so common with foreign aid workers who are women, but for me, I just accept the risk, the same way my veteran husband fought in the army for years despite personal risk and repeated injury, he just believed in what he was doing enough. These assaults typically happened in public, in broad daylight, and involved groups of men. I’ve had this happen to me anywhere from Mexico to Haiti to the Philipines. This isn’t about Muslims, its about any society in which women are marginalized. And yes, that includes Muslim societies which are inherently oppressive to women. So while I certainly agree that Islamic cultures which have oppression of women as part of their culture are inherently more dangerous for women, it is just very offensive to me that you are claiming this is not a worldwide problem. Did you know that in the city of Juarez, mexico, HUNDREDS of women have been raped and brutally murdered in the past decade? Did you know that in the Carribean, rape is almost always seen as the woman’s fault? In Haiti, rape was only made illegal in 2005, and even now, it is almost never an enforced law. Gang rape is common place, and women who go to report their rapes to the police are often then raped by the police at the station they report their rapes to. In Greneda, there was a case I knew of personally in which a man was foudn to be raping his 7 year old daughter. The man was not prosecuted, but the 7 year old was blamed, exiled from the community and had to go to an orphanage in another area of the island. In the Carribean, rape is a huge problem and the woman is virtually always seen at fault, even in the case when she is a child, or when the rape is extremely violent and gang rape is involved. But you don’t want to talk about that do you, because the Carribean is almost entirely composed of Christians, and in fact, they use their Christian dogma to blame the women for their rape, as they see them as inherent seductresses who “make” the men rape them. In the Carribean, if a woman is raped, or even a child, the typical response is that they are shunned. They are kicked out of their family homes and ostracized as the community, and usually become prostitutes because it is the only way they can survive. I have seen case after case of young girls, 10, 11, 12 years old, who were brutally beaten and gang raped to within an inch of their lives, only to then be abandoned by their families because they have “shamed” them.

I’m not saying the sexual violence of Muslims should be ignored. But to act like this is a “Muslim” problem and not a problem of women’s rights overall is a slap in the face to every 12 year old Haitian who was raped almost to death by gangs of CHRISTIANS, then tossed in the street by her own CHRISTIAN parents as a result, which unforunately, is a regular occurrence there.

S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 9:39 am

    S.C.:

    Yes, Christians and other non-Muslims do rape in Third World countries. But that’s much more a product of race than you are prone to believe. Blacks, Hispanics and Arabs are far more rape-prone than Caucasians — that’s a fact. Yes, I know there are white rapists in this ugly world of ours. But they are marginalized in the world of other whites. Rape in non-white cultures, however, is fully accepted and even encouraged.

    I’m a lot safer among white freethinkers than black Haitian Christians.

    Seek on April 29, 2011 at 11:26 am

This is what amazes me beyond limits. The adoption of somecoverup to appease Moslems. This scandal started by kidnapping teenage Coptic girls, and raping them to force them to marry their Moslem rapists. In turn he forces them to convert to Islam or he divorced them.

To understand the full impact of this process Egypt is a land if a girl loses her viginity she might as well be thrown in the garbage. Thus the pressure on a raped girl to marry her rapist is tremendous and the pressure on her to go along with him and pretend to convert to Islam is as tremendous. This is the way Islam planned to grow; through forced marriages and consequent progeny. The silverlining of this calamity is that Moslems now are raping Moslem girls hence the law did not take action on the reping of Christian girls.

The sad part fellow Americans is that this is a plan that the Wahhabi saudis concocted to achieve the goal of the Islamic conference of 1972 in Lahore pakistan to wipe out non-Moslems from the Middle East by the year 2000. Yet our country who pretends to be a stalwart of human rights watch this with total indifference. The downside of this policy is that minorities are losing faith in America and are starting to give its calls a deaf ear.

I do not understand why we do not contract with Canada to buy all their oil production from the Atabasca tar sands. These reserves are double the Saudi reserves. We offer canad a net profit of $ 20.00/barrel and they turn their oil sands into Dollars and we do not buy one barrel from the Saudis unless they sell it to us at $ 20.00 less per barrel. This we buy to increase our strategic oil reserves only. This is the only way we teach these dogs how to be grateful to the West.

We have no interest to drop Israel from our friendship. We have every interest to support it. With the loss of Christian minorities in the AMiddle East the sole ally for us in this area will be Israel and it would be foolish to sell it short to please the hateful Arabs.

G. R. SCHAROUBIM on April 29, 2011 at 9:57 am

KM “I am sure that Egypt’s real rape statistic is actually much higher. I am sure that plenty of women who are raped there do not report it because as we all know in Muslim societies it is the rape victim who is punished not the rapist.”

This is also true in predominantly Christian countries in the Carribean, Africa, Central and South America, and the Pacific islands. This is true in ANY society in which women are seen as second class citizens. Every third world country I have ever worked in was almost entirely Christian, and in every country I have worked in, sexual assault was both common place, and almost always blamed on the victim…in some places, to the point that it is expected that a raped woman or child will be thrown from her family home and ostracized from society, and the rapist will either pay no penalty, or will have to pay a small fee, as if it was a parking ticket.

Sexual assault is a huge problem in Eastern Europe as well, especially in Russia, where again, sexual harassment and assault often isn’t considered a crime. Italy is another area in which sexual assault is very culturally accepted. I was only a teenager when I went to Italy for the first time, and I was very small and looked younger than I was. I was 16, probably looked 13. I was regularly groped by men there. I was in a public square right by the Trevi fountain in Rome when two men came up to me and grabbed me and started fondling me and laughing at me when I protested and tried to get away. The crowd around me, which included a police officer, laughed as well.

S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 10:01 am

    In Latin countries… Mexico, Latin America, Portugal Spain, France, Italy and Romania – its assumed an attractive woman who is alone wants to be with a man and she can be accosted and molested there. No, I am not defending the behavior in question.

    But other cultures are different and multiculturalism is just not applicable in this world. People learn that soon enough when they go abroad.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 3:55 pm

I lost whatever sympathy I had for this woman. It demonstrates quite plainly that the her ideology trumps her own personal experience. She frankly spit in the face of women who have to endure such garbage from Muslim men. Also, how many times has Lara experienced “group gropes” in non-Muslim countries? If Lara Logan finds herself in such a situation, I will just laugh and change the station. I reserve my sorrow for the innocent and honest, and not the slanderous frauds.

Worry01 on April 29, 2011 at 10:02 am

    @ worry:

    Also, how many times has Lara experienced “group gropes” in non-Muslim countries?

    I have experience sexual assault in every country I have ever worked in as a foreign aid worker. I have never worked in a Muslim country. I have only ever worked in countries in which almost the entire population is Christian. Please see my posts and please google the problems of sexual violence against women, in which the rapists are not punished and the rape victims are actually blamed, in Christian countries like the Carribean, Italy, Mexico, etc.

    Also google “child witches” + Africa. Right now, thousands of children have been and are being tortured (usually by burning) and/or murdered by Pentacostal Christian religious communities after Christian religious leaders accused them of witchcraft. Those who survive often end up in the sex trade when they are thrown out of their community.

    None of this excuses Muslim treatment of women, but you are betraying the millions of women all over the world in NON MUSLIM copuntries who also live in daily fear of rape, and who know, if they are raped, that their rapist will not be punished but they will be. You are saying they do not exist, and that makes you evil.

    S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 10:19 am

      If the groping doesn’t bother you anymore, than you have become a whore or a slut. Maybe you enjoy the attention. Can’t wait until you pick up a disease.

      Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 12:59 pm

        I keep thinking of German actress Sila Sahin. She posed nude for Playboy in Germany.

        The outrage from Muslim male hypocrites was revealing. One butcher (the other kind but ya never know) said he’d kill her for posing topless for that went against his culture.

        My, the tolerance! Now granted Jon and Debbie, what Sahin did as a Muslim woman isn’t my cup of tea, but it was her choice as an adult to disrobe.

        What’s interesting is the ROP crowd considers being photographed in the flesh a capital offense.

        When you’re a liberal Muslim like Sahin, that does drastically lower her life expectancy.

        Why should we be surprised?

        NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      Thank you for your taqiyya contribution. I was not including any orgies that you might have attended in your travels in my statement. Also, Lara Logan was not in a back alley in the dark, but in the midst of a large crowd. Please name the non-Muslim countries in which you experienced anything remotely similar. Finally, does Hinduism, Judaism, Christianity, or Buddhism think it appropriate conduct to engage in such behavior towards women? We recently heard from an imam in Australia who considered women who were not dressed practically in a bag with eye-slits “uncovered meat”. I would be happy to cite other very public comments by Muslim clerics and believers if you really need that information, but I rather doubt that you do. But, please tell me this. If you have to constantly makes excuses or actually lie for a god and the faith he puts forth, of what value is it really? Rather than screaming Islamophobia and howling right off the bat, ponder the question for awhile. You might actually come up with an answer that would be accepted outside of a madrassa.

      Worry01 on April 29, 2011 at 8:35 pm

It is amazing to me how a rape victim becomes an apologist for her tormentors. Ms. Logan is in a dire need for a private brain care specialist because ultimately she will suffer PTSD which will be increased by her inability to reconcile her rape, by Muslims, with her PC beliefs

Catmann on April 29, 2011 at 10:07 am

    You’re thinking of the Stockholm Syndrome.

    Its been noted many times but its been particularly prominent among released Hezbollah Western captives in the 1980s.

    When you are dependent on someone else for survival, its not surprising to develop empathy and even gratitude for them.

    Its a human reaction to traumatic circumstances. People want to live and when the chances for escape are non-existent, they begin to view the world through their captor’s eyes.

    And we’ll see it again in the future.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    It is amazing to me how a rape victim becomes an apologist for her tormentors. Ms. Logan is in a dire need for a private brain care specialist because ultimately she will suffer PTSD which will be increased by her inability to reconcile her rape, by Muslims, with her PC beliefs

    Catmann on April 29, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Reply

    You’re right.

    Miranda Rose Smith on May 1, 2011 at 3:15 am

Debbie is right. Why is Lara Logan in the news? Lara Logan was raped. Lara Logan was raped by Muslims. She is being addressed on a specific incident. The incident was about her not the history of man or what other men do in other countries. She doesn’t want to blame her victims because being politically correct is more important than being a victim of rape. Debbie points out this behavior in Muslims isn’t not extreme or rare. This behavior is typical when women are seen as property in their religion. Instead of trying to identify why Muslims treat women in this manner the MSM chooses to ignore the question and labels anyone who asks the question as bigots or racists. The sooner the question is asked then the faster the problem is identified and then corrected. The MSM denial of Islam’s treatment of women only enables them to do even more damage.

CaliforniaScreaming on April 29, 2011 at 10:15 am

Brutal column, Debbie. But, it was warranted and necessary. That’s why I love you, you are one of the very, very few who doesn’t pull punches.

I sort of do, but I’ll never understand the lefties cowardice about covering up the Muslim’s tactics. Typical liberalism, it’s all about money and power. I’ve never met a liberal yet who isn’t consumed with wanting power and usually consumed with matierialism.

Thank you for pointing out that Logan just can’t be that stupid about Muslim violence towards women. This sounds brutal, but Logan and CBS were accomplices in getting in a gang of those Muslim thugs.

I do have sympathy for any woman suffering sexual assault, even Logan. But, good gracious!, get a clue.

Jeff_W on April 29, 2011 at 10:26 am

So let me ask all of you who are saying that Lara is “protecting” her rapists. When I was sexually assaulted by Christians, it never occurred to me to say “I was assaulted by Christians.” When I have had to do reports on sexual violence against young women and girls in Christian countries, it never occured to me to write on my reports, “Victim was raped by 4 Christian men and thrown out of her Christian parents’ home and told by her Christian teachers she could not go to school and was told by her Christian village that she had to leave in exile and shame.” I just always thought that this had been done by ‘people.’ It honestly never occured to me I should make a point of blaming Christians specifically in my reports. Are you saying that I have been brainwashed by conservative Christians and that I am protecting them and that I deserved to be assaulted, and that the children and women I work with deserved their assaults because they also just said “men gang raped me and my community exiled me” as opposed to saying, “Christian men gang raped me and my Christian community exiled me?”

S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 10:32 am

    SC: Thanks for stating the obvious! I don’t understand why these people are so callous and unfeeling as to make a political football out of a violent crime.

    Kevin Morrow on April 29, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I don’t believe a word S.C. is saying. I know some extremely hot looking women who have traveled through many of these non-Muslim countries, and not a single person groped them. However, the Muslim men had hand troubles.

    I suspect S.C. is not what she says she is, or she is out there flaunting her titties, charging 25 cents a feel.

    Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 1:03 pm

      Kinda like the Buffalo Muslim guy who beheaded his wife for the crime of leaving him.

      A woman who doesn’t know her place is very threatening to a Muslim man.

      Then again, our feminists consider Lazar Greenfield a greater threat than women-hating Islamist males who think nothing of chopping off the head of a female with whom they’ve lost patience.

      That says it all.

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Whether one believes the NT or not, the NT Christ does not rape not kill anyone. Whereas Islam teaches that MOhammed himself had men killed and then raped the widow that evening [of course MOslems do not call it "rape"]. Raping infidel women is fully Koran blessed [of course MOslems do not call it rape]. See Koran 4:24 [also, Islamic lit reveals MO OKed sex with recently captured women who were going to be sold as slaves, which shows the “sex with captive woman only OK if you going to marry the woman” notion to be a lie.

    John Prewett on April 29, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    SC, if you seriously think that a grope in front of the Trevi Fountain is equivalent to gang rape lasting 40 minutes you must be a radical feminist, assuming of course that you are not a liar, which I generally assume to be the case for all radical feminists.

    You have already admitted that Islam is particularly odious in terms of real rape. Islam is the only major “religion” where rape is actually encouraged. So yes, this does distinguish Muslims from non-Muslims. One can find “Christian” countries with rape epidemics, but one cannot find a Muslim country without a rape epidemic. Furthermore, while real rape occurs everywhere, real rape followed by forced marriage or honor killing does not occur everywhere.

    Finally, if things are so bad for you rape-wise in Third World aid work, I recommend you find different work, rather than try to beat us over the head with your sad plight. Frankly, as far as I can see, aid work is pretty much worthless anyway in terms of effecting significant change.

    skzion on April 29, 2011 at 1:23 pm

Oh, and, SC, I forgot to say: very sorry to hear about the outrageous and disgusting treatment you have received at the hands of men overseas. It’s truly horrifying to hear such things, although not surprising.

Kevin Morrow on April 29, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Oh. Come on, Kevin. You are probably jacking off to all of this, wishing the Muslim men had raped you.

    Jonathan E. Grant on April 29, 2011 at 1:05 pm

      Yup, they do rape men, too.

      They’re equal opportunity scum when it comes to violating human dignity openly.

      Let’s not forget they show no respect either to the dead.

      NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm

Fully agree w/ you, Debbie!!! Nothing like turning what might have seemed like a trauma for anyone into a political platform for her feminazi, morally and moronically repugnant attack on all men. Yup, a Muslim raping her is the equivalent of me raping her.

When she was initially raped, I was somewhat sympathetic to her, although I even then thought that she was a cretin for being in that place in that situation. But now, given this reaction of hers, I think it’s the best thing to have happened to her.

And guys, ignore Kevin Morrow, who’s just trolling. Yeah, right, Yememi Muslim friend who converted to Christianity. Even in the West, a Muslim who converts out of Islam would be the target of vigilantes, and in the Middle East, such a person would be dead!

Infidel Pride on April 29, 2011 at 11:45 am

You know what, you left wingers are so damn predictable, as soon as DS pointed out the real truth of Lara Logan, all of you islamist apologist rush to your keyboards and attack the messenger (Debbie Schlussel) and throw all sorts of dumbass ad homienim attacks against her. To SC and KM (I notice everybody here as jumped all over your throats) did the both of you notice that the muslim guys who sexually assualted Ms. Logan made anti-semitic chants against her? Didn’t make it to your worthless left wing newspaper rag when the incident happend, and it didn’t make it to the DailyKos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, Think Progress, etc.? But your too quick and say, “christian men sexaully assualt women and kill men, women, and children in the middle east, africa, asia, etc.”, BS, the ones who are doing this crap are your friends, the “MUSLIMS”!

Have you fools acknowledge that in Sudan that black christians are being tormented by guess who, islamist, it’s a fact! I remember a few years ago, some muslim guys beheaded a little christian girl in the Philipines or Malaysia, they did that to her because of her religion (she was a christian). Do the two of you know that muslims oppress gay people in their countries? Oh yes, that to is a fact, you don’t see any gay pride parades in the ME, because if something like that happens, they’ll (the homosexuals) be slaughtered to death becuase of their sexual orientation. Last I checked you two, I didn’t see or hear christians, jews, buddhist, hindus, etc. killing people or converting people in the name of their religion, only the islamist do that nonsense, so wake up you two and stop embarrassing yourselves.

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 29, 2011 at 11:57 am

Reportedly some of physical and sexual assault activity was caught on camera phones as well. One video purportedly involved some boy fondling the breasts of the reporter. However, another purported video that was described by a controversial YouTube video claims that a bearded man ripped the top off the reporter and began slapping her face and breasts. He then pinned her to the ground, and by this time she stopped resisting, apparently accepting the fact that she was overpowered. The bearded man then removed her pants and masturbated in front of her before raping her. He also reportedly clawed at her breasts with his hands. The YouTube video claims that at least six men raped her vaginally, and a number of men also raped her anally as well. She was reportedly masturbated on and urinated on by some men as well according to the YouTube video claims which was supposed to be pieced together from information and videos posted on Arab Websites and other sources.

barry on April 29, 2011 at 12:08 pm

InfidelPride, the reason why Lara Logan did this propaganda interview on CBS is because she’s afraid to tell the entire of truth of what exactly happend to her in the middle east, that muslim men sexually assualted her. She’s a fruad and I agree with Debbie 100% about Ms. Logan, so Logan is equating all men like me to the savage islamist who touched her? Is she out of your f**king mind?

Lara Logan is a propagandist IMO, she didn’t mention that muslim men stone their women if any of them have any type of affair with another man, as I’ve said, Ms. Logan is a propagandist!

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 29, 2011 at 12:08 pm

Kevin Morrow,

Do you agree with Lara that she was raped only by hands?

You stated in one of your previous posts that it might not have been Muslims. This is a ridiculous assumption on the face of it since the vast majority of people in Egypt are Muslims. Why are you singling out Christians and ignoring the obvious fact of Muslim population dominance? Why are you biased against Christians?

While it may be true that other nationalities and religions engage in this form of behavior but Muslims certainly are no better and maybe worse.

Facts Life on April 29, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Facts Life: I was not singling Christians out, but just saying that we don’t know the identity of the attackers. Sure, it is statistically probable that the rapists were Muslims, but we don’t know. I would refer you to the other posts here from people who have lived in Christian countries where rape is a serious problem. We just shouldn’t make sweeping judgements out of ignorance.

    Sean R.: You need to do your homework, dude. You mentioned the atrocities in Philippines and Sudan. What you may not have heard is that Christians are involved in the killing and destroying as well. Take a look through the recently published book “The Tenth Parallel” by Eliza Griswold, who talks about all of these places in the developing world where there is religious conflict, and you will find that Christians have gotten their hands dirty alongside their Muslim neighbors. If you’re going to make these statements about what’s going in other parts of the world, you really should actually KNOW what’s going on in other parts of the world, and not just accept what you read on unreliably biased sites like this one.

    Kevin Morrow on April 29, 2011 at 12:23 pm

I agree that there is a problem with the treatment of women in the middle east of in some muslim communities. But that is no stickily limited to the arabic culture. Its all over the word. in many countries and cultures woman are looked at as less the equal to men. It was the same in the great U.S.A. and even today woman are still raped, harassed, and treated unequal. Religion muslim religion has little to do with it. In Catholicism, woman can’t be priests is that not unfair? And priests are raping little boys and girls all over the place. would it be fair of be to label all christians rapists and sexists? No it would not. also consider the fact that 10% of egyptians are christians. Making likely that some of Lara Logans attackers could have been christians. think about it!

Debbie Schlussel, you and idiot!! Like most things in life things are not always so black and white!!

schlusselsucks on April 29, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Verna Malik told a cleric in Pakistan Muslim clerics rape little boys.

    I recommend you watch that video – I posted it on this site a couple of weeks back. Its very revealing.

    And you can guess my sympathy was with her throughout the interview.

    NormanF on April 29, 2011 at 2:52 pm

“To SC and KM (I notice everybody here as jumped all over your throats) did the both of you notice that the muslim guys who sexually assualted Ms. Logan made anti-semitic chants against her? Didn’t make it to your worthless left wing newspaper rag when the incident happend, and it didn’t make it to the DailyKos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, Think Progress, etc.? But your too quick and say, “christian men sexaully assualt women and kill men, women, and children in the middle east, africa, asia, etc.”, BS, the ones who are doing this crap are your friends, the “MUSLIMS”!”

I’m not denying the crimes of Muslims nor making any excuses for the horrendous treatment of women in Muslim societies. Women are marginalized in these societies which results in their mistreatment there.

The only thing I am disputing are liars like you who are literally saying that the culture of rape and blaming rape victims exists only in Muslim cultures. There is no significant Muslim population in any country I have ever visited where rape was common, not punished, and blamed on the women. I have never encountered any Muslims in Mexico, Haiti, Greneda, or in any of the other countries I have ever visited where this occurs. Does this mean Muslims aren’t doing the same thing in Muslim countries? Of course not, but you are simply an evil liar to state that the exact same cultural attitudes towards women in terms of sexual assaults does not exist in Christian countries with no significant Muslim population, such as Haiti. The culture of rape, not punishing rapists, and ostracizing rape victims is well known and well documented in nations throughout the world, and you can easily verify this information. Just go online and type in rape + haiti.

S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 12:13 pm

A band of muslim in a celebratory mood showed that happiness by abducting and raping a woman. She was, of course, uncovered meat at the imam said about women who are not in the cloth cage, and no one can blame the cat for getting into uncovered meat.

I, too, doubt that only their hands “got into” her. So she puts us all in danger by failing to discuss the hatred toward women that is in islamic cultures.

Today women were dressed in bright colors and braving the sun to watch a Royal Marriage in England. If it had been a muslim gathering we would have seen nothing but a sea of black cloth cages and perhaps some eyes peering from slits, for women have no public place in islam and must negate themselves with black cloth.

Disgusted on April 29, 2011 at 12:24 pm

Oh my goodness SC, how the hell am I lying as you pointed out, and you have the nerve to call me an “evil liar”, I take offense to that you putz! So let me get this straight, I’m being “evil” for telling the entire truth of what exactly happens in the middle east? I also notice that rape happens in other countries in the world, I’m not stupid nor am I NOT denying it SC, but guess what SC, Lara Logan was in Egypt when this happend to her, she wasn’t in Haiti, Greneda, Mexico, etc. when it happend to her. So still guess who sexually assualted her and chanted anti-semitic slurs against her, muslim men, that is a FACT, wake the hell up man! And I guess your the one who’s “evil” SC for living in your own little “ivory tower” world (notice my sarcasm there, then again you leftist are too ignorant to understand what sarcasm is).

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 29, 2011 at 12:27 pm

Kevin Morrow, WAKE THE HELL UP MAN! Why the f**k are you STILL denying the fact that it was “muslim men” who raped your girl Lara Logan (what happend to her was evil and terrible, make no mistake about it) and your still living in your own ivory tower world with your head in the sand. BTW KM, this is a “reliable” website, if you don’t like here, I advice you get the hell out of here right now! DS is one of the few folks from any political idelogical divide to expose the real threat and risk of islamofascism, she get’s it, unlike you Kevin Morrow and your boyfriend SC who are trolling this site and talking with your heads up in the clouds. And I also notice that crimes happens all over the world (yes including here in the US), lookit here, I’m not stupid, and I also notice people from any religion commits crimes as well, but do you EVER see or hear christians, jews, buddhist, hindus, atheist, agnostics, etc. stoning their women if they were either raped or had an affair with another man? The answer is NO, only in the religion of islam you find that garbage, it’s a fact, I’m not making stuff up man.

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 29, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Sean R.: Where is your proof that the attackers were Muslims? Can you show me a news story that supplies identifying information. And just because they were chanting anti-semitic slogans is no positive proof of identity (unless you want to choose to forget that people in one of the most highly-cultured nations of Europe once were doing the same only 70 years ago. Oh and by the way, the Nazis used rape, too: http://roughmoto.tumblr.com/post/3037189329/victim-of-nazi-rape-it-has-always-haunted-me). Facts, man, where are your facts? Document it for me, and then we can go down that garden path. Even if they were Muslims, this doesn’t prove anything about the hugely diverse Muslim world, which comprises one-fifth of the world’s population, and stretches across pretty every continent. And also: do Israel, the West Bank, Kuwait, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Dubai, Syria and Jordan count as the ivory tower world? I’ve been to all of them. Have YOU? Have YOU traveled in the Muslim world and seen it firsthand, talked to Muslims, sat in their houses as a guest?

    Kevin Morrow on April 29, 2011 at 1:00 pm

      Christian Copts constitute barely 10% of the population in Egypt. So, there is over a 90% chance that any male in a mob is a Muslim. Your statement is akin to asking someone to prove that there are blacks in Nigeria. You do need to try harder my friend. Allah despises a lazy follower whose service is actually a disservice to Islam.

      Worry01 on April 29, 2011 at 8:45 pm

Sean, you stated this:

“your too quick and say, “christian men sexaully assualt women and kill men, women, and children in the middle east, africa, asia, etc.”, BS, the ones who are doing this crap are your friends, the “MUSLIMS”!”

You LITERALLY said that Christian men do not rape women, that only muslims do this. That is a lie and easily disproven. Yes you are an evil man for saying the hundreds of women and children I have worked with who were gang raped were not actually raped, and for saying that they were not ostracized by theri communities. How do you think it feels for me as a woman who not only was sexually assaulted by men, but then have men tell me it never happened?

“I also notice that rape happens in other countries in the world, I’m not stupid nor am I NOT denying it SC”

yes, you obviously are stupid, because you did deny it. You said this does not happen, only Muslims rape women. Those were your exact words. Christians do not rape women.

S. C. on April 29, 2011 at 12:47 pm

SC I think your the one who’s a stupid bimbo, and I’m going to throw ad homienim attacks against you because you called me “stupid” and “evil”. Guess what SC, when guys from non-muslim religions rape women, & have an affair with another man, the men from those religions don’t stone them to death, etc., that happens in islam!

Everybody commits crimes from any religion SC, so NO I am NOT denying it, but in the religion of islam if another woman either get’s raped or has an affair with someone else, they are tormented or probably killed, these are facts SC, and your the one who’s really being stupid here.

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on April 29, 2011 at 1:01 pm

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