July 29, 2011, - 3:03 pm

Karma #2: Norway Utoya Camp Was Also FATAH PLO Terrorist Camp

By Debbie Schlussel

More proof that Glenn Beck was spot on when he compared Norway’s Utoya Island political camp, shot up by Anders Breivik, to a Hitler Youth camp.  It’s not just, as I told you yesterday, that these “kids” (many of whom were adults and 18 or over) boycotted Israel and played HAMAS flotilla “games.” In fact, Fatah Youth, the Fatah/PLO terrorist group’s youth movement had its own presence at the camp for the last 15 years, as noted by the Palestinian Ma’an News Agency. Check out the statement below from Fatah Youth. It says it all. The Muslim Nazis knew this camp was their kinda place filled with their kinda useful idiot dhimmi Eurotrash. This was definitely a Fatah/HAMAS Youth camp (remember, Fatah recently merged with HAMAS, and they have the same goal, Judenrein and Christianrein).  Check out the keffiyeh-encrusted photo, the caption, and what’s on the t-shirts that Norway’s piece of crap Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg thinks is so smile-worthy. And don’t forget, Fatah is the Islamic terrorist group that brutally murdered the Fogel Family while they slept and beheaded the baby.

And, as you should know, Fatah/the PLO was founded in part by Yasser Arafat, relative of Hitler’s best buddy, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who begged Hitler to speed up the Final Solution of the Jews and export it to the Middle East.

BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Fatah Youth released a statement on Saturday condemning attacks in Norway which have reportedly killed over 90 people.

“It is with consternation that we have received the dramatic news of an awful terrorist attack against a summer camp ran by our comrades of Norwegian Labor Youth ‘AUF,’” the statement said.

The Fatah Youth group had taken part in the summer camp in the past on the Island of Utoya, near Oslo, where over 90 people were reportedly killed in a shooting spree on the Island and a bomb attack in Oslo on Friday, news reports said.

“Fatah Youth declares its consternation about the terror attack. There are no words to describe an attack against people that have been our comrades in our struggle for freedom and independence. Very few people have stood by our side as much as the Norwegian people, and particularly our AUF comrades.

“We know those who have been cowardly assassinated. Those are people that have stood for the human and national rights of the Palestinian people both in Europe and while visiting Palestine.

Fatah Youth has participated for almost 15 years in the same summer camp and our youth has benefited by learning and sharing experiences on democracy and advocacy for peace and justice.

“We hope that those responsible for this criminal terror attack will be brought to justice. Such sick minds should not have a place in any society.

[Emphasis added.]

Yeah, sick minds, unless they are Fatah minds perpetrating terrorist attacks and mass murders on Jews, like the beheading of a baby and the murder of most of the baby’s family, the Fogel Family, while they slept on the Jewish Sabbath.

“As a people that has been victim of state terror for the last 64 years, the Palestinian people and particularly Fatah Youth presents its condolences to the families of those killed and sends a strong message of support to our comrades from the Norwegian AUF as well as from other sister parties that were participating in this summer camp,” the statement concluded.

So, I’m supposed to shed tears for this camp that welcomes the killers of the Fogel Family? Uh, I don’t think so.

As I wrote yesterday, while I condemn terrorism including Breivik’s actions, this is Alien v. Predator for me. I don’t feel sorry in the least for those who die while cheering on my destruction. That’s what those shot at this camp did. I shed no tears for them. I don’t give even the feakest wuck about “people” who welcome Fatah Youth murderers to toast marshmallows with them and ride in canoes while they share in their Jew-hatred.

Karma is a bitch . . . especially for Jew-haters who were Fatah’s bitch.  You hang out with snakes, you get bitten.

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264 Responses

I hope Debbie keeps providing us with information that we will not find in the mainstream news media, the Drudge Report, etc. Many Americans will think a “Christian” shot other “Christians” because they were of another political party or philosophy.

Concerned Citizen on July 29, 2011 at 3:18 pm

Given these facts, the shooter should have carried more bullets with him.

The only good anti-Semite is a dead anti-Semite.

Jonathan E. Grant on July 29, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Jon, I agree with you but I don’t think killing kids is justified even if they are as bad as you say.

    I don’t want to be like Breivik and certainly not like Fatah’s psychopaths in residence.

    NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:17 pm


      Most of these people were 16 years old. They were not little tykes.

      Speaking of which, when my uncle, a paratrooper during WWII, was in a hospital in Austria during the war, the Hitler Youth came in and shot everyone in the hospital. My uncle was the only survivor.

      Hence, I would not worry about the kinder. (German for children, to those who don’t know).

      Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 7:19 pm

You know what, I was listening to Michael Savage’s show earlier this week, and he said that Beck was dead wrong about that group being equated to the Hitler youth. At first I agreed with MS, but when DS wrote this column on this blog 24 hours ago, I read all of the details and wouldn’t you know, that group is has the exact thinking as the islamic terrorist groups across the world, the only difference is that this group in Norway does NOT do “jihad” against jewish people, etc. You also have to notice that the jewish population throuhgout scandinavia is decreasing because of anti-semitism increasing more and more in those 4 countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway & Sweden).

And I bet you the exact same trolls who flooded this blog yesterday are going to come back over and do their typical of “hit-and-run”, don’t debate, use all sorts ad hominiems against the messenger and vanish into the sunset like cowards and morons? If those trolls don’t show up, then it’ll be all better, so let us adults do the debating and discussion in a rational and civil way you braindead trolls!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    That’s right Sean. I heard those Savage shows and it was the rare time he was barking up the wrong tree. It didn’t sit well with me because I could tell he was trying to be provocative. I’m not sure why. You know he is moody. Perhaps he felt as if he wanted to test his audience to see if they mostly agree with him. Most didn’t, if I recall.

    We also know Savage doesn’t like Beck. That’s ok, there are many things to be weary of Beck about BUT he seems to always disagree with “the blackboard”. When I heard him having a go at Beck I was not privy to the Hilter Youth bent, but once I read it here, it made sense that Beck was having a GOOD un-PC moment. Savage should have known better. (And Savage has been known to side with people he HATES when they are right or the Left is trying to take them down. I do like that about MS. Especially when the same people NEVER have his back.)

    And DS is far from a Beck fan, but she is always able to admit when someone is right….even when they are usually wrong. That is Beck (from what I read here) now. He’s having one of those great un-PC moments. And if I were to praise “blackboard”…I would say when he did have his PAWNN show, he was able to successful map out the dangerous progressive matrix and the George Soros angle. He even put Islam in there (to a point).

    But as we know, it is a rare soul who will admit the severe and complete threat Islam is. We know Beck equivocates and Savage does too. He takes great pains to differentiate the “moderate” Mooooooslims. It makes me cringe when he does that. I have learned better here.

    And there is NO ONE, no one who understands the Islam threat better than DS. People would be better off if they could just accept and admit that. That’s half the battle.

    Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 3:50 pm

      Skunky, the AUF is yes a far left group, but their primarly a communist group that started in 1927 in Norway. But since the AUF has some ties to “fatah” (that terrorist grouped merged into another muslim terrorist group a few years ago in the elections in the middle east) and yes hold anti-semitism, there a tad similar to the Hitler Youth, only difference is is that the AUF are not building concentration camps/death camps and demanding a holocaust against jewish people. Also sine the AUF is a far-left communist group, there also kinda like the “Young Pioneers” of the ex-Soviet Union.

      The Young Pioneers was also a far-left communist group in Russia under Joseph Stalin that recruited young Russian people to bid and shill for the Russian government in its hey-days. The Young Pioneers indoctrinated the young people in the ex-Soviet Union by eavesdropping on their elders and report them to the state if they had dissenting opinions about the government. As I said, the AUF is a little different than the Young Pioneers that lasted in Russia for 70 years!

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 4:02 pm

      you bring up some excellent points, skunkster. i listen to savage, beck, rush, levin, hannity and even some of the leftist shows (when i’m in the mood) like al sharpton’s ‘keepin’ it real’ program out of atlanta. i like to hear what the other side is really thinking. on top of all this are all of the daily blogs — and schlussel is my primary baseline for reality — i read.

      my point: i don’t adopt every utterance from my favorite sources as unquestioned beliefs. i don’t subscribe to everything they say. if anything, THEY are sounding boards for MY beliefs, not the other way around.

      lastly, i am not an ass-kisser but i really have to say that debbie has an iron-clad intellect and her common sense is nearly fool proof. couple that with her unwavering beliefs and i gotta tell you, the ONLY time i disagree with her is her movie reviews… they stink.

      howardroark on July 29, 2011 at 4:20 pm

        Wow, Howard. You have a high tolerance to listen to Al Sharpton, LOL! I only hear snippets of his show on the radio-equalizer blog (which showcases his absurdity quite often). I hafta admit, I just can’t do it and spend my “high-blood pressure bucks” that way. I have to ration what type of crapola I can take. And I subscribe to Rush’s wisdom of knowing the Left, so why do I have to listen to them?

        I won’t ever listen to that charlatan Hannity ever again thou’. DS exposed what a creep he was and his take on the Casey Anthony “not guilty” verdict really exposed him as a brainless git. I hope he lost half of his audience over that one!

        And you know, the truth is the truth here. This site is so unique and there is hardly anyone one talking as plain as DS that there is no shame in admitting that she knows her stuff better than most. And I am glad I discovered her years back on Howard Stern.

        I like her movie reviews because she has led me to some great films I have NEVER would have seen as I mostly avoid Yank films. The ones she gave great reviews to (that I have seen) have been sooooo good. “Taken”. “Harry Brown” (I didn’t know it was a Brit film…I prolly would have seen it sooner if I had known it was NOT American). “Inglourious Basterds”. Those are all 4 to 5 star films. And she was absolutely correct about “Horrible Bosses”. Thank goodness I saw it for free. That movie sucked! 😛

        Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 4:52 pm

        If Debbie’s movie reviews consistently suck (to you), Howard, then they are Gold. The trick is to find a movie critic who’s reviews are predictable, and use them. For example, I know Ebert’s views of Michael Bay’s movies and movies like “Up” will closely correlate with mine. I know his views of movies like Team America and anything that supports Israel or America will be opposite, so those reviews are also useful.

        I know if Debbie tells me a kids’ movie is good, then that’s bankable. If there is a specific concern I have with a kids’ movie for a 7 or 8 year old as opposed to a teenager, I can write her and she will respond.

        On foreign policy issues, if we disagree, then I’m usually wrong and need to rethink.

        To James Di Fiore

        By the way, the attack on this camp was nationalistically motivated, not religiously so. And it was a dumb attack. But the people who were killed were, for the most part, Eurolefties who supported Palestinian terrorism. I’m sorry for their parents, but honestly, I care more about how it will effect the anti-jihadist movement because the people murdered would have cheerfully seen my kids murdered. If that sounds harsh, well, my kids matter more to me than their kids.

        Debbie has a very cold, clinical, Wolverine-ish way of putting things sometimes, which I deeply admire. To put it less coldly—These people were getting together to celebrate in a summer camp that was deeply in support of Middle East terrorist groups. They were advocating death to Jewish babies by advocating the destruction of the terror fence, among other things. They were Nazi assholes. The shooting of them was wrong, but they were hardly innocent advocates of Liberty shot down by a Totalitarian asshole.

        Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:03 pm

“Tear down the walls” is figuratively speaking. What Norway, the Labour Party and AUF are campaigning for is peace and equality between both Israel and the Palestinians. I have already tried to explain this is an e-mail to Miss Schlussel, and have yet to receive a reply.

This was a peaceful summer camp, filled with youth who where politically active and engaged. You are welcome to disagree with their opinions (I personally disagree that boycotting Israel is the way to go, as is the case with most Norwegian politicians, if not we would have done it already), but it is important to understand that they were campaigning for peace, not violence, not hatred and certainly not more terror. Miss Schlussel can feel free to use what I wrote to her in my e-mail, if she should wish to do so.

Now, let’s put some faces to those statistics. These are the people that were brutally and mercilessly murdered by a insane traitor and enemy of the Norwegian people:

Strider on July 29, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Strider is wrong on one point…from all reports, the mass murderer WAS NOT insane…a traitor and enemy of the Norwegian people, perhaps.

    If being a mass murderer qualifies a person as insane, all the Germans, Italians, Poles, etc. that were executed after WWII for being involved in the Holocaust would have been committed to an insane asylum, instead. Words have meaning.

    Dr Dale on July 29, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    “Tear down the walls” is NOT FIGURATIVE. It specifically refers to the anti-terrorism fence, which these scum wish ripped down so that more Jewsih babies can be murdered.

    Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:05 pm

And the euphemisms that have been thrown around re these bratty young adults. “Politically concerned”, “trying to make the world a better place”, “humanitarian projects”, all to describe their pro-terrorist activity in code.

Little Al on July 29, 2011 at 3:35 pm

With respect, these were not pro-terrorists, but the complete opposite.

Strider on July 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    With respect, if they supported HAMAS, they were pro-terrorist. Even so, I wouldn’t want them killed now, and regret that they were butchered because in 30 years they will be Islamic slaves, and that would have been more fun to watch, especially if we set up the Quad 50s along our borders and meatchopped the Norwegians who tried to seek sanctuary.

    Occam's Tool on July 29, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    With respect, these were not pro-terrorists, but the complete opposite.

    Strider on July 29, 2011 at 3:38 pm


    Dear Strider: If they weren’t pro-terrorist, why did they support the Gaza Flotilla?

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:28 am

This story just gets better and better! I decided to wait and see how things would unfold until I passed judgment. I shed no tears for those who applaude and fight on the behalf of those who are murdering Jew’s and Christian’s all over the world. Frankly it’s about time, the other side started using the same tactics that the Muslims have been using for centuries.
People need to start taking a stand to protect our humanity, our cultural heratage, and our very way of life. Muslims have been allowed to over-run most of the worlds western governments through immigration. Along with this massive influence, Sharia Laws, and Muslim political and religious practices have superseded the laws of each country they have poisoned. Every war, and violent atrosity committed against humanity for the past several decades has one thing in common….Islam
You may not like what He did, and as a civilized society, we have to condemn his actions…..but…..if we all hide behind this phoney civilized, guilt, ridden, self hating postering that we’ve been doing for the past 20 years….then it will be US-the Jew’s and Christian’s who will get exactly what we deserve…because WE did nothing to stop it.

wolf2012 on July 29, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    I agree with you wolf2012.

    We have been told. We have been warned. The rise of Nazi Germany was fully documented in films, photos, immense volume of documentation and first hand reports from people who survived its horrors. This was not a mythic tale full of over-the-top rhetoric told by imaginative story tellers. There is so much indisputable, highly detailed proof for what happened in Nazi Germany. From beginning to end. Although, I believe what we are seeing now, is that it didn’t really end.

    It is rising again from the ashes. Aided by dimwit liberals who arrogantly prance around with their childish signs and slogans of peace on behalf of an ilk of people who don’t want peace at all. How incredibly stupid is that? They send their impressionable youngsters off to hobnob at delightful summer camps with the youngsters of the most unabashed and dangerous liars the world has ever known. Are these Norwegian parents really that gullible? They can’t be. These are not compulsory indoctrination camps (yet). What does this say for the souls of those parents who willingly send their kids off to be immersed in this atmosphere of hate?

    To all those who have commented here at Debbie’s site trying to defend the purpose of this camp as something other than hate indoctrination that is squarely directed at Israel and the Jewish people: Cry Me a River.

    There are no longer any reputable excuses for Norwegians of any political stripe to continue aiding and abetting these abominable indoctrination camps. There is no hiding ones head in the sand now. Who dares continue coming to Debbie’s site to defend what these camps were really all about? Unless you want to openly and brazenly admit to all of us that you are a brazen, anti-semitic hater of Israel and the Jewish people. Think real hard on this. Are you really that proud of your hatred?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 5:17 pm

      Who dares continue coming to Debbie’s site to defend what these camps were really all about? Unless you want to openly and brazenly admit to all of us that you are a brazen, anti-semitic hater of Israel and the Jewish people. Think real hard on this. Are you really that proud of your hatred?


      The answer is a simple yes. Yes, I am anti-semitic. Yes, I hate Israel. And yes, I hate the Jewish people.
      I am not PROUD of my hatred – it’s silly to be proud of something that comes so naturally. I am born and raised this way. My grandfather was in the SS for God’s sake.
      The truth is this: Israel will soon be nothing more then an illusion, a dream, a fairy tale, once again. Then there will never be a Jewish state ever again.

      Motives on July 30, 2011 at 3:41 pm

        Well, Motives, at least you recognize that you are the spawn of a scum sucking dirtbag who deserved vivisection.

        Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:13 pm

          Your words, not mine… All I know is the “Chosen People” will soon be gone. 😛

          Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:21 am

I was wondering why is it when someone is anti israel it means that they are anti-semitic? Israel is a democratic nation not a jewish country, they dont live by jewish laws. So tell me why?

justwondering on July 29, 2011 at 4:21 pm


    Here is why, and being Jewish, I will answer your question with a question (or more).

    Why is Israel the only country in the world whose mere existence is questioned?

    Why is Israel’s human rights record questioned when China, Russia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria,Sudan, Zimbabwe, etc. are exponentially off the charts for bad behavior?

    Why is Israel singled out for a boycott?

    Why is there an insistence to make Jerusalem the capital of another Arab country, but no one in the world will recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

    Why is Israel singled out for boycotts?

    Why can missiles be shot at Israel, and its citizens constantly murdered, yet Israel is condemned at the UN everytime it fights back?

    Why is Israel virtually always (90% of the time) singled out at the UN?

    Why do so many of Israel’s critics accuse Jews of inventing the “Holocaust myth?”

    Why doen’t anyone talk about the over 1,000,000 Jewish refugees that were kicked out of Arab countries?

    Why do the Arabs yell “Kill the Jews?”

    Why is Israel falsely accused of killing Arab babies for body parts? This is the same canard that was used through the past two millenium to rape and murder millions of Jews (Jews killing Christians for matzo–have you ever seen a read matzo)

    Do I need to go on?

    Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 5:20 pm

      Jonathan, you offer many salient questions to which the answers should be so obvious. Yet all my life I have been made aware of negative attitudes and opinions about the Jewish people and Israel that seem to defy the laws of common sense and common decency. An irrational hater of the Jewish people will not answer your questions. In fact I dare say they will hardly consider them. I don’t fully understand why. It seems to me that once a person has gotten so enmeshed and entrenched in such fallacious hatred, they usually can’t seem to find their way out of it. The knee jerk reaction for these haters is to get even more rabid in defense of their hatred. You can sometimes see that they understand what they are saying sounds ludicrous. The persistence sadly remains in far too many people.

      Still. I too remain persistent in expressing my utter disdain and contempt towards anyone I encounter who even so much as hints to me any hateful, lying rhetoric about the Jewish people and/or Israel. I have done my homework. I will not be duped by anyone who obfuscates the truth of Judaism or the historical facts of the Hebrew people and how they have gone about their lives where ever they have hung their hats in the world. I am thankful for the Jewish people. I am forever grateful that they are still here, blessing humanity with their extraordinary talents and gifts.

      Almost every person alive on earth today has benefitted from the amazing array of innovations by way of very smart and talented Jewish persons. The vehement haters included.

      Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:11 pm

        Jonathan and Kairn—thank you for existing. G-d Bless. By the way, there are only 1500 Jews in Norway. I suspect there will be some antisemitic violence, although the shooter was not Jewsih.

        Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:15 pm

          To: Occam’s Tool, Thank you for standing up for Israel
          and for the Jewish people. As a Jewish religious woman, I say
          of course murder is terrible, but when the victims (in Norway) are associated with Fatah, who murdered the Fogel’s and 3 of their children, then I thank G-d. Let the non- Jews have some fear.
          There is a G-d of Israel. We cannot bring the Fogel’s back,
          but we can see the hand of G-d in the murder of the enemies of the Jewish people. Sincerely, Dinah (New York).

          Dinah on July 30, 2011 at 11:39 pm

      You don’t need to. I do “get it.” I make the point that responsible criticism Israel is one thing and mindless criticism of Israel is used to justify all the evils in the world inflicted upon the Jewish State. I think all that will change once Israel become an energy superpower.

      NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      ” 1.000.000 ” jews kicked out of arab countries ?

      wait a minute , i thought israel was the country of all jews , so how is this a bad thing ? if anything , arab countries saved israel lot of money by shipping all those jews to ” their ” country , and helped the ashkenazim get cheap labour during the early days of israel

      israel should send arabs some money for this favour

      waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:35 pm

      Jonathon, the fact of the matter is, is that Israel was formed on stolen land. People were thrown out of their home, and even your founder admits to stealing the land, ben gurion said, “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” and you call them terrorists…please tell me why, because they wont let u live in peace in your stolen land…Israel is at war with Hamas, PA, Hezbollah, just because you are at war with someone it does not mean they are terrorists. Why is it OK for you to vacate a whole neighborhood that Arabs were living in and destroy it then rebuild settlements for Israelis? Why is it OK when the IDF is searching for someone they demolish a neighborhood looking for person. You say that land belongs to Jews, but the Muslims can make the same claim according to the Koran and Im sure the Christians can too…so why is Israel throwing people out? Furthermore, only two countries in the whole world consider Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists and thats Israel and USA. Both those countries have a motto if your against us you’re a terrorist.

      DS just because you say you condemn something doesn’t mean you mean it….i like the way u guys work…lol. They deserve to die, they are anti-Semite, karma…..etc. and in the end i condemn it. That’s the same as me saying everything that happened on 9/11 they had coming to them but i condemn it….makes no sense and i would be labeled a terrorist sympathizer if not a terrorist.

      and another thing why is Hezbollah consider terrorists, “all acts of terrorism” were committed on Lebanese soil during a time of war, never against civilians. and the marine barracks bombing was not Hezbollah for they were not formed yet so how can u label them Hezbollah? to terrorize someone is to do things for no reason, but Hezbollah was protecting Lebanese land while Israel was occupying theirs. makes no sense why they are called terrorists?????? Why cant you guys admit, that you are at war with these groups, you are the oppressors, so how can u label them the terrorists, it makes no sense to me LOLOLOL. for example, Im being oppressed, my home is being occupied and every time i want to walk in my house i have to go through a checkpoint, so one day i decide to fight for whats mine, and they call me the terrorist….Israel is the Biggest Terrorist organization on land, the definition of terrorism is Israel, they are oppressing the people….Bottom Line. remeber the oppressed can never be the terrorists…
      which leaves me with this quote

      “Never in history has violence been initiated by the oppressed. How could they be the initiators, if they themselves are the result of violence? How could they be the sponsors of something whose objective inauguration called forth their existence as oppressed? There would be no oppressed had there been no prior situation of violence to establish their subjugation. Violence is initiated by those who oppress, who exploit, who fail to recognise others as persons – not by those who are oppressed, exploited and unrecognized.” -Paulo Freire

      justwondering on July 30, 2011 at 2:12 pm

        The land was bought, not stolen. The other land was conquered in defensive wars.

        Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:17 pm


        The narration you have shared here doesn’t make any sense to you because it is plain and simply incorrect. If you are sincere and truly wish to have this puzzle demystified please order and read the following book:

        ‘Palestine Betrayed’ by Efraim Karsh

        Here is part of the Product Description from Amazon.com regarding this very informative book:

        “In this brave and groundbreaking book, Efraim Karsh tells the story from both the Arab and Jewish perspectives. He argues that from the early 1920s onward, a corrupt and extremist leadership worked toward eliminating the Jewish national revival and protecting its own interests. Karsh has mined many of the Western, Soviet, UN, and Israeli documents declassified over the past decade, as well as unfamiliar Arab sources, to reveal what happened behind the scenes on both Palestinian and Jewish sides. It is an arresting story of delicate political and diplomatic maneuvering by leading figures—Ben Gurion, Hajj Amin Husseini, Abdel Rahman Azzam, King Abdullah, Bevin, and Truman —over the years leading up to partition, through the slide to war and its enduring consequences. Palestine Betrayed is vital reading for understanding the origin of disputes that remain crucial today.”

        Please, please come back here after you have read this book and share your thoughts with us! Let’s keep the dialog going.

        Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Because Israel is very important to Jewish survival. And the number of people who are anti-Israel but not anti-semitic can be fitted into a Phone Booth designed for dwarfs.

    Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Just wondering: I ahve a few questions for you:

    1)As a Catamite of a Hamas terrorist, do you spit or swallow?
    2)Do you use an electrom microscope to find the genitalia, or can you get by with high power light microscopy?
    3) Given the small size of the invading organ, is KY Jelly necessaqry, or do you even feel anything?

    Just wondering.

    The Inquirer on July 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm

Good work. Even the NY Times had to answer the criticism against AUF and the wild animals who pied-pipered youth to support the extermination of 6,000,000 Israeli Jews. That one picture alone should end the career of the Norshamas-tool number one: Jonas Gahr Store (foreign minister for Hamas and Norway).

Now that the grieving over dead AUFs is over, and Obama signed the condolence book at Norway’s DC embassy (while pissing on India’s recent victims, it was inevitable that due scrutiny would be placed on the EUrabians. That is happening in wave form, because of courageous people like Debbie Schlussel who work against the Store-Abbas Plan for UN recognition of a Genocide base on Israel’s borders.

Hopefully, Debbie will look into AUF/Labor Party’s co-production “Tears of Gaza,” in which a crying girl demands “revenge” against the “Yehudi.” Store is a vulgar QUISLING redux. He deserves no power whatsoever.

Joe Deese on July 29, 2011 at 4:23 pm

Strider: its our turn you sack of shit. We are going to marginalize you out of the picture. Judas Gahr Store is a wild animal. Get educated you ideological illiterate.

Joe Deese on July 29, 2011 at 4:26 pm

Many that died hardly look old enough to even have political views. I’d be willing to bet most of them just went to have a good time and meet other people. That being said, some of those older faces looking back at the camera make the hair on the back of your neck stand up when you realize what their agenda was. Not so innocent as it appears. Remember taqqiya

BilboBaggins on July 29, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Bilbo, I take it you have had your head buried in the sand your whole life and have never looked into all the aspects of the rise of the Third Reich in Germany during the 1930’s?

    Can you honestly tell us you have never seen film footage or snapshots of all those handsome young German youth ecstatically and proudly saluting Hitler? Have you honestly never learned of how the Hitler youth, so happy to have been indoctrinated by Nazism, gleefully turned in their friends, neighbors and their own parents for expressing political views different than Nazism?

    Are you now going to tell us that young people are incapable of expressing political views just because they are too young in your estimation to ever be made the dangerous pawns of evil men and women?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Straddling the fence much “Bilbo”?

    Skunky on July 29, 2011 at 6:02 pm

Most Americans and American Jews are unaware of the degree to which anti-Semitism has engulfed Norway and Sweden. This is somewhat evident from the reaction of some of Debbie’s supporters. I’m very grateful to her for writing two columns on this.

There is NO Santa Claus on July 29, 2011 at 5:34 pm

Thanks Debbie for this information. On the day of the attack FOX News called it an Activist Youth Camp, then afterwards never said it again. I kept wondering what kind of camp it was. Now we know. WOuld be nice if it was reported.

Carolyn Mangum on July 29, 2011 at 5:35 pm

I want to fuck the soul out of your asshole, Debbie.

driftwood on July 29, 2011 at 6:07 pm

You are a fucking sub-human cunt. Those people killed were sons, daughters, mothers, and fathers. I think you were pulling those facts out of your ass, and I think your hate of Palestinians is comparable to the hatred of Nazis to Jews. I’m not an anti-semite, I just can’t believe you would imply 90 KIDS (they were mostly 15-17, check your facts) deserve to be killed. You are sick.

Angry on July 29, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Debbie didn’t say that. While we’re on the subject, two wrongs don’t make a right. Keep that in mind before running off your mouth accusing Jews of something they haven’t done!

    NormanF on July 29, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    How often in life has starting off one of your arguments with the most foul and ridiculous language helped you win your case? Or does it even matter that you ‘win’?

    You totally lost me at the first sentence. Whatever opinion you may have held pro or con was completely rendered null and void beyond that point.

    You are not only Angry, but you are a pathetic loser as well. From here on out you will never, ever be taken seriously. Do you spit into the wind too?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Angry, I know why your angry, your angry because your a loser with a chip on your shoulder and you can’t use any type of logic and can’t be rational in a debate.

    Where did DS say that she’s happy those young people were killed? She NEVER said anything like that you moron, so stop “reading between the lines”, people who “read between the lines” have alot of reading comphrehsion problems. So my advice for you is that to NEVER log onto this website ever again in your miserable life.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      she pretty much said it , did you read the title ? karma ( or at least american karma ) means what “goes around , comes around ” how can this be interpreted other than ” those bastards got what was coming to them ” ? please explain it to me , i’m confused .

      but this is not new , for someone who bitch about the holocaust 24/7 , DS dosen’t have a problem with the extermination of the entire muslim population ( she said: 1 dead , 1 billion to go when ben laden was killed ) , and now she’s pretty much happy about the norway terrorist attacks ….hey , debby , now you know how the people who exchanged candy after 9/11 felt

      waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    I think you were pulling those facts out of your ass, and I think your hate of Palestinians is comparable to the hatred of Nazis to Jews.

    Dear Angry: The Nazis were people who did their absolute best to avoid killing civilians, made suicidal concessions for peace, spent years getting shot at by Jews and finally shot back?

    Miranda Rose Smith on July 31, 2011 at 5:25 am

This doesn’t surprise me at all, Debbie.
Youth indoctrination camps were quite common a few decades ago…..

Michelle on July 29, 2011 at 6:13 pm

By your logic, Jews deserved to be slaughtered in the Holocaust because they were dragging down the well being of Germany. Have fun rotting in hell, the 90 kids who “deserved” this for not agreeing with your political opinions will be laughing at you from the other side.

Dan on July 29, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    I see here we have another slothful ignoramus regarding the well documented historical facts of Nazi Germany.

    Here’s a fact Dan:
    As of January 1933 only 1% of the population of Germany’s 65 million people were Jews.

    Now explain to the rest of us how so few could possibly be dragging a whole country down?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Ok Dan. I owe you an apology. I did in fact misread the irony of your first sentence. Embarrassing? Yes. Shame on me. Let’s start over can we?

    However, the rest of your post left a lot to be desired. If you disagree with Debbie why don’t you write a reasoned post explaining to us why you believe she is misdirected or misinformed. Or whatever.

    Then we can all have a much more interesting and thought provoking debate.

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Dan, I am being more precise than usual in my monicker because you aren’t bright.

    Jews in Germany pre-Hitler were:
    1) patriotic
    2) Winners of the Nobel Prize 11% of the time that Germans won them—i.e., 22 times their population in the gGerman community,
    3) War heroes. The man who nominated Corporal Hitler for the Iron Cross was a Jewish Officer.

    The Norwegian campers, on the other hand, were:
    1) Supporters of Hamas, and 2) members of a political party whose current Ambassador to Israel defends Hamas terrorism.

    Therefore, by extension, you are one or more of the following 1) a blithering idiot, 2) a complete moron, or 3) C. Elegans, a hermaphroditic self fertilizing free living nematode (that means you screw yourself to procreate) with a genetically determined max of 302 neuronal cells, not all of which are brain. I leave it to Jonathan,Skunky, Kairn, and Debbie to vote.

    Occam's Razor on July 30, 2011 at 10:56 pm

      We need SeanR to join us in that vote!

      Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 11:28 pm

You still have the same problem that I pointed out before. You can say that Utoya was as anti-Israel as you want – the overwhelming evidence is that Breivik’s motives had nothing to do with that.

Dave H. on July 29, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    Umm, Dave, we are moving the discussion down the road a bit now. Beyond the motivations of Breivik. He did what he did. There is no undoing his horrific deed. He is obviously not a nice man despite whatever beliefs he held.

    The bigger picture is what his horrendous deed exposed to the world outside of Norway: what this camp represented and its particular brand of ideological tripe that was promoted to impressionable youth. Certainly not the best way for to have brought this business to light. But it is what it is.

    It is unfortunate that too many folks like you want to keep the focus on Breivik running around some island shooting at young people. How many times do we all need to express our sadness for this incident?

    A cover was pulled back in Norway. We can’t change how it was pulled back. But we are now seeing what we are seeing and that demands a deeper investigation and a lot of open and honest discussion about the ramifications of any nation aiding and abetting the existence of youth indoctrination camps when they appear to revolve around hateful and potentially dangerous rhetoric.

    What is it about this newest development you don’t understand? Or are you in full agreement with what was being promoted to these young people on that island?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm

      “It is unfortunate that too many folks like you want to keep the focus on Breivik running around some island shooting at young people.”

      Yeah, I do want to keep the focus on the scores of people that were murdered. I would feel the same way if they were Muslims, Jews, Hindus or atheists.

      “How many times do we all need to express our sadness for this incident?”

      Once would be nice in Debbie’s case:

      “I don’t feel sorry in the least for those who die while cheering on my destruction. That’s what those shot at this camp did. I shed no tears for them. I don’t give even the feakest wuck about “people” who welcome Fatah Youth murderers to toast marshmallows with them and ride in canoes while they share in their Jew-hatred.”

      No sadness there.

      Dave H. on July 29, 2011 at 9:03 pm

        In all honesty, I see nothing wrong with Debbie’s viewpoint as seen thru the prism of a women who hails from a jewish heritage. One who knows full well what the like of Fatah is all about.

        If I can help it, you will never find me hob nobbing with Fatah youth anywhere on this planet!!!! Do you want to hob nob with these people? Do you want your kids rubbing elbows at summer camp with youth the likes of those which snuck into the Fogel household and slaughtered that whole family while they slept? Proud of their deed to this day.

        Are you going to convince me that the presence of this Fatah element insinuated into the courses and talks directed at the youth who attend these camps is not infecting these youth with some very dark and sinister ways of looking at Israel and the Jews? Worse yet by Fatah members no doubt engaging in private conversations with these gullible Norwegian youth. How many of these gullible youths might just take the garbage they are hearing at these camps to a higher level of evil?

        Look Dave, Fatah and the way they think about the Jews is very ugly. After that they think somewhat less ugly thoughts about Christians. But ugly just the same. And the hate goes on down the line. Fatah is capitalizing on the gullibility of the Norwegians and their overblown sense of being a ‘peaceful’ people. Norwegians have in essence invited the devil to come sup at their table! Why on earth then should we hold them in high regard?

        Even if Breivik had never happened, there would eventually have been a disaster come down upon Norway for their collusion with this dark and sinister force. Lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

        Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 10:16 pm

Dear Kairn,
I find it Ironic you called me an ignoramus when you are clearly a follower of Debbie ( A well documented racist and islamaphobe). Also, you don’t know me so how exactly would you know I’m slothful? You are making an opinion about me before you know anything about me. If that’s not ignorant, then I don’t know what is. I will admit my comment was a bit complex for someone with such an undoubtedly low IQ, so I’ll slow it down for you. You see Kairn, what I did there was make an example: I used one thing to make something else more clear. You see, I was alluding more to the fact that hating ALL Muslims (which clearly the oh so intelligent Debbie does), because of a few radicals; is no less different than hating all Jews because of a few bad eggs who maybe didn’t rub Hitlers fur the right way. I am not saying anything about Hitler or anything he did was right, and I will admit my wording may have been off; but I will also admit someone with the intelligence of a rock would get the main point of my post, and not throw a hissy fit.

Dan on July 29, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Speaking of throwing a hissy fit. Look in the mirror Dan.

    You made a slothful reference to the Jews bringing Germany down during the 1930’s. Even with the lame excuse that you made such a statement in order to make some obtuse point, it was not very effective or funny. That statement was proof you are truly ignorant of well documented historical facts. Anyone who knows these facts would NOT make a ridiculous statement like that. You are indeed a slothful thinker. I called you on it and you didn’t like it because what I said is true. What you said was a lie! It is now documented! Ha!

    If you have so dang much pride, get off your lazy butt and start doing some research about the history of the lead up to Nazi Germany and all the gore that followed and start making statements that aren’t tinged with poor attempts at innuendo within a discussion that should be taken a lot more seriously.

    It is clear that you are a childish poo flinger. If you think I am as dumb as a rock, well then, a rock I am. A rock that can read and write oddly enough. Will wonders never cease?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:42 pm

You people would jump off a brige if Debbie told you too. It’s people like you who put people like Hitler into power. A few convincing words and propaganda and your ready to defend her to the death.

herp derp on July 29, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Is “Herp” short for herpes?

    Jonathan Grant on July 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Herp or herpes, get lost, your not bringing anything important or intelligent to the table. Typical of you ignorant trolls, “read between the lines”, attack the messenger or this case attack the readers/posters and do a hit-and-run and vanish into night like cowards. You own us all an apology, but then again, I’m not holding my breath and wait for an apology from you buster. Hitler used tons of propaganda against jewish and demonized them for no damn reason, DS on the flip side is WARNING us all of the threat of islamofascism, and NO this has NOTHING to do with religion, and the islamist are using their religion as a “trojan horse”! So NO Debbie is no propagandist, do you know what the word propaganda means? It means “doctrines disseminated by an organization”, from what I’ve learned, DS is not associated with an organization, nor she’s NOT no “front-woman” or shill for any organization in this country or in the world.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    the irony here is that when one starts off a sentence on a comment thread with “You people” yada yada yada that we know we are encountering a follower of group-think in the highest order.

    Isn’t that right you cute little brownshirt you?

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm

Anyone who says anything bad about anything Jewish is clearly an anti-semite. We should slaughter them for being so hateful and irrational! Just the other day I was disagreeing with peoples political opinions, when I heard this ignorant a**hole say he didn’t like Kosher hot dogs! How dare he persecute me like that! So I fought fire with fire: I followed to him to his house and stabbed his entire family! It’s so funny how people like to display Kosher hating beef eaters as innocent victims, and rational fed up people like myself as crazy and ignorant! Thank god for Debbie Chlussel for spreading the truth: If someone isn’t a far right, full blown Israel supporter; they are a left wing Jew-hating terrorist.

ijkdhfkwd on July 29, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    You are not funny.

    Go eat a hot dog. And don’t forget to put plenty of onions on it.

    I bet you think it’s funny to talk with your mouth full too.

    Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 7:47 pm

The poster at 7:28 pm, yes anyone who’s a jew-hater is anti-semitic. But you also claimed that “they should be slaughtered for being hateful and irrational”, bro I gotta disagree with on that. If someone has a different opinion and viewpoint from yours, you don’t have to resort to violence, that is illegal! You don’t want to live in a country where your assualted for having a different political viewpoint? I don’t want to live in a country like that my friend. Also, the far-right is as terrible as the far-left, both of those extreme-fringe groups agree and believe just about 70-90% of the issues.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm

Good on you Debbie for outing this hateful disgusting little group. If Norway wants to poisen their kids minds with hate, misinformation and punitive actions against a people and country who don’t deserve it… this will be the outcome and not to many will be grieving the loss.

Lucy on July 29, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    actually , a lot of people will be grieving about the loss , maybe except few butthurt zionists

    people actually care about the well being of a beautiful , peaceful country like norway

    waldemar on July 29, 2011 at 8:26 pm

      “people actually care about the well being of a beautiful , peaceful country like norway” – waldemar

      well duh!! Why the heck do you think Debbie is keeping abreast of this story and commenting on it?!!! Once upon a time Germany was a beautiful, peaceful country too. Until they allowed this same kind of ugly thinking to overpower their sense of common decency. Look where it took them:

      Europe blasted to bits. Millions of people dead. The once proud German people hanging their heads in utter shame at the destruction they helped to facilitate. What an ignoble end. Isn’t that end pretty much another “what comes around, goes around” example of karma?

      This discussion is all about shining a light on Norway right now and hoping to G_d more and more people wake up to this hateful way of thinking and governing before Norway turns itself into something not so beautiful or peaceful. What will you say to us later when and if we are informed that very powerful and hateful propaganda may have been spewed at these youth camps?

      It befuddles me how you feel so confident in taking what Debbie says and twisting her meanings all out of proportion. She is warning those of us who will listen. Is it possible that it is actually you who is filled with hate for truth tellers?

      Kairn on July 29, 2011 at 9:13 pm

I am sick of the crap written about the murderer. You only need to read his “question and answer” segment to understand that waste of flesh and blood.
1. he wants “patriarchy,” and because no sane women would vote for that, he rejects “democracy.”
2. he wants a society ruled by “justiciars.” Really? Going back to Glanville’s Treatise, justiciars (judges) deferred controversies – viz factual issues for trial – to juries, and had absolutely ZERO review powers over laws. They facilitated natural justice, and weren’t even paid for so doing.
3. he is “not very religious” but promotes a “cultural” notion of Christianity, which includes “atheists” and “nazis.”
4. he uses Christian symbols as an extension of Norse rune cult artifacts, and sources his “identity” in “Odinist/Norse” “culture.” His “crusade” bent, doesn’t go so far as liberating Judeo-Christian Homelands around Temple Mount.
5. he challenges mohammadanism only as offensive to Europe, and seeks expulsion of mohammadans. However, he doesn’t care what they do to their minorities, or to lands outside of Europe. By default, he doesn’t have a stand on nuclear-tipped ICBMs.
5. he accepts that the Holocaust occurred, but would allow Turks to promote same on Europe’s doors.
6. he allowed anti-jihadis to get blamed for inspiring his crimes, even though he sources his ideological volte face, in 1999, when the Clintons were massacreing Serbs. He didn’t start plagiarizing sources for his “manifesto,” until his party was booted off the littlegreenfootballs’ blog in 2007.
7. he would suppress female participation in politics, even though his Labour govt dad, abandoned him, leaving his mother to raise him alone.
8. he added absolutely nothing to the debate about AUF Genocidism, in relation to Hamas gangsters.
9. he sources his invigoration in his commitment to commit mass murder, in “steroids” and “World of Warcraft.”
10. he conceals the names used when he posted on vanity blogs like lgf, jihad watch and atlashrugs, even though his reasoning would reveal much of the mind of a mass murderer. He was an AUF brat; were the murders a symbolic act against the AUF Frankenstein’s who controlled his mind until the 199 break? Was it a venting of the murder thoughts that he may have felt for his abandoning father? Did he do it to publicize his identity with Obama, whose father also disowned him?

Pamela (“Me”) Geller has been caught “comment” editing. But the catcher – C Johnson (LGF) – is also “data robots” to block internet archives’ thousands of comments on Scandanavian issues. According to the murderer, “many Europeans” were “ideological refugees” at LGF. I hope Johnson is facilitating Justice, rather than obstructing it. There are American casualties in Oslo; that permits the FBI to register a file.

Joe Deese on July 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm

On the “children”…

The Globe and Mail has pictures of “Some of the victims and survivors from Utoya.”
Those who have their ages listed break down thusly:

51 – 1
45 – 1
43 – 1
30 – 1
28 – 1
26 – 1
25 – 1
19 – 1
18 – 4
17 – 4
16 – 1
15 – 2
14 – 1


One can join the Norwegian Armed Forces at age 17, so they were mostly ADULTS.

One of the victims was named Jamil Rafal Yasin…


Oy vey ishmaelia on July 29, 2011 at 9:55 pm

And some of you Comment posters still don’t get it, well if islamic extreimism is not curbed with a boot heel to the neck where ever it is found you will be the next poor slob on a subway or in a market blown to to pieces so fragmented as impossible to identify then and only then will you truly understand this earth cannot sustain this vermin soceity and if you don’t like this blog feel free to fuck off and continue to stick your head in the sand. People who think and know come here for insight not your pro muslim views and dimmwitted B.S. So feel free to log off,NOW.

Terry Morlan on July 30, 2011 at 12:22 am

And Wayne Madsen wold say…YEAH, SO?!

Bob Porrazzo on July 30, 2011 at 6:28 am

I hope Debbie and all the people in the comments defending the bullshit she spews out of her ass die a slow and painful death. Fucking morons like you should not be allowed to walk the earth breathing the same air as normal people.

Debbie derp on July 30, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Here you are Debbie derp, another wanna-be master of the universe who fantasizes about waving your magic cudgel over the earth in order to annihilate all the human beings you believe have bruised your kind, warm and generous heart.

    In the end Debbie derp, you’d be all alone. I guess then you’d have to assuage your burning desire for power by incessantly pulling the wings off flies. Because with all the dead bodies laying around, there would certainly be an endless supply.

    Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 1:17 pm

In the 1,500-page tome, which mentions Israel 359 times and “Jews” 324 times, Breivik lays out his worldview, which includes an extreme from of Islamophobia, far-right Zionism and venomous attacks on Marxism and multi-culturalism …

In one passage, he lashes out at the Western media, which he accuses of unfairly focusing on the wrongdoing of Jews. “Western Journalists again and again systematically ignore serious Muslim attacks and rather focus on the Jews,” he wrote. Breivik also took a jab at leftwing Jews. “Jews that support multi-culturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism as they are to us,” he continued. “So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

Far-right European politicians like Geert Wilders (de Vrijheid – The Netherlands), Renée Stadtkewitz (Die Freiheit – Germany), Oskar Freysinger (Switzerland) etc., find love—and common cause—in Israel.”

Mallory on July 30, 2011 at 9:41 am

So your making a threat to readers/posters like me and the rest of the posters on this blog huh Debbie derp, you know what tough guy why don’t you send me your email address on this public message board and you name the time and place ok jackass! As one poster said, if you don’t like what the messenger (Debbie Schlussel) wrote, then don’t log onto this website, period, it’s that simple and easy. So keep your head in the sand live like an ostrich you moron, and your the one who shouldn’t breath the same air as normal people like me, Debbie and the rest of the people who commented on this thread in a civil and rational way. Get lost and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 9:41 am

PS: Oskar Freysinger (SVP – Switzerland)

Mallory on July 30, 2011 at 9:53 am

@ Joe Deese on July 29, 2011 at 9:36 pm

You got something wrong, have you read the Manifesto ?? Yourself? I doubt it.
Though he finds elements of Nazi ideology appealing, his 1,500-page manifesto condemns anti-Semitism. He argues that Hitler should have used his “military capabilities…to liberate Jerusalem and the nearby provinces from Islamic occupation” and give them to the Jews. Breivik calls on his imaginary comrades: “So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

Mallory on July 30, 2011 at 9:59 am

“Muslims have come to occupy the place Jews once held in the reactionary European imagination; they’re seen as agents of an apocalyptic conspiracy that threatens Europe’s very survival. The specter of the coming caliphate has crowded out the old myth of the scheming elders of Zion.” ~ Michelle Goldberg

This is so very true.

As someone who is not very religious and who strongly supports freedom, egalitarianism, plurality, as well as being homosexual, I’m extremely concerned with the influence of Islam on Western culture and in particular the law. Most especially the more conservative strain of Islam as it is extremely barbaric, authoritarian, misogynist, homophobic and unrelenting.

Mallory on July 30, 2011 at 10:09 am

You’re one twisted cunt, Schlussel.

You implicitly support these murders with your horrifyingly inhumane screed. You’re fucking digusting.

Michael Wilkinson on July 30, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Wow, some language coming from your filthy mouth Michael, let me ask you a question dumbass, do you talk to your wife or girlfriend, your mother, grandmother, or aunts like that by calling her/them the “c” word? If you do talk to any females with that language, then you clearly have NO respect for women, and I bet that you don’t have a girlfriend by you using such misogynist language against women.

    You clearly didn’t read the whole page word-for-word, so what did you do, you “read between the lines” like a retarded ass. RIF, Reading is Fundamental, where did Debbie said that she supported that nutbar Breivik? She said that she condemns his act towards those young people and what does “I condemn his act” and “I don’t condone what he did” don’t you understand Michael?

    Very typical of you subliterate trolls, you come onto this blog, use inferiotity complex, attack the messenger for no damn reason, do a hit-and-run, don’t debate the issue and vanish into the sunset like the coward(s) you really are. Get lost and wash your mouth with bath-soap Michael, if you were around me Michael and you spoke to a woman like that, I would go up to you and back-slap you across your ugly looking face!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 12:40 pm

“You totally lost me at the first sentence. Whatever opinion you may have held pro or con was completely rendered null and void beyond that point.”

If you weren’t fucking angry at the cunt who wrote this article then you’re as fucking bad as it is.

People like you who think that you can separate emotion from such an emotive issue are the reason that this sort of murder can happen in the first place – cold, soulless analysis, rather than understanding genuine human emotion.

So fuck you and the cunts who taught you to be a fucking drone.

Michael Wilkinson on July 30, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Michael, just go away and don’t comeback onto this website EVER again in your miserable life you putz. Your not bringing anything intelligent or important to the table, all your doing is using all types of ad hominiems against DS like a little child with tantrum problems.

    And your also a lying sack of kitty-litter, you originally claimed in your other message that Debbie agreed with Anders Breivik, whereas she DISAGREED what this guy did, she acknowledges what he did was complete evil and terrible. As for the AUF, your not too intelligent and bright about what that organization stands for, there just NOT a communist front group, but they also have ties to fatah (a islamic terrorist group in the middle east) and last I checked, fatah is a jew-hating anti-semitic group and they also don’t recognize Israel. As I said Michael, get lost go away for good, go far away for good Michael, we don’t need intellect-challanged doofuses like you poising the atmosphere with your hatred and bigotry!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Michael W,

    Pfffft…people who express themselves in the vulgar manner such as yours are not worth the salt in my tears.

    So sad that you are bereft of any skill at utilizing a kinder, gentler approach to warming the cockles of cold, cold hearts such as you have convinced yourself that Debbie and myself possess.

    Ever considered changing your approach to achieve an outcome that suits your oh so tender sensibilities better? Or would you just rather be allowed to murder people whom you take umbrage with?

    Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 12:54 pm

      Karin, this friggin thing Michael can’t debate the issue(s) honestly, so what does this loser does, he attacks the messenger (Debbie Schlussel) and uses a misogynist term against the woman and this thing expects us to take his/its ass seriously?

      I hope we don’t see morons like Michael and his hateful ilk post on this blog again with their stupid rhetoric. Guys like that loser only poisons the atmosphere, and he’s also a LIAR for saying that Debbie supported Anders Breivik’s evil act towards those anti-semitic young people. In fact DS NEVER said that she supports Breivik, matter of fact, Debbie clearly said that she condemns what this nutcase did and she’s not taking any sides on this issue, but that’s Debbie’s opinion and she’s entitled to it!

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 1:07 pm

        Sean R,

        As you have well read, I’m not too fond of the vulgar way some commenters approach a debate. Although ‘debate’ in its formal sense seems to be beyond the grasp of these swarthy, foul-mouthed troglodytes.

        But I do want to give them an opportunity to see if they are able to evolve their brutish, hairy selves out of their primordial cesspool and join us all at a more civilized table of scintillating and fair-minded discussion.

        We learn soon enough who can and who can’t keep their marbles in the game. As you have noted, the ones who do go home with their vulgar, little marbles are not missed. And all of their puerile missives will not in the least be recalled by anyone but by their own pathetic selves.

        Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 2:01 pm

Alan Dershowitz speaks.

In a recent interview, Norway’s Ambassador to Israel has suggested that Hamas terrorism against Israel is more justified than the recent terrorist attack against Norway.

His reasoning is that, “We Norwegians consider the occupation to be the cause of the terror against Israel.”

In other words terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel. The terrorism against Norway, on the other hand, was based on “an ideology that said that Norway, particularly the Labor Party, is foregoing Norwegian culture.”

It is hard to imagine that he would make such a provocative statement without express approval from the Norwegian government.

logdon on July 30, 2011 at 11:27 am

I am a leftist, and I am an antisemite.
And I hate Israel. I hope it will be destroyed and the Israeli people driven into the Dead Sea to drown like rats.
This is what I want to happen. And this is what the people on Utoya want to happen. Yes, they support Hamas, and yes: they hate Israel. Probably hate the jews aswell.

So if Mr. Breivik really was a Zionist, he found himself an ideal target. They may have been his countrymen, but they were against everything HE stood for.

But beware: this will only damage your cause. The fact his name is linked with Zionism will cause people to hate Zionism and Israel even more. The end of Israel is near. I give the Israeli people ten more years. At most. 🙂

Motives on July 30, 2011 at 3:37 pm


    Me thinks more like what you wrote here will damage your cause. You are in possession of powerfully evil thoughts. And evil always eats its own. Always.

    I hope you will be able to stick around long enough to see how it all ends.

    I’ll give you a hint: YOUR ‘CAUSE’ LOSES

    Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      Oh no Kairn, we will not lose. We hate the Jews and Judaism with the same intensity Debbie Schlussel hates the Muslims and Islam. That’s gotta count for something, dont’cha think? 😉

      Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:49 am

This is why most of the world hates the Jew. Its in their religion even the old tetement where they delebrated the loss of human lives. Jews only care about themselves and mock the loss of lives of anyone who dissagrees with their politics. Even though I’m a passifict and don’t condone violence its hard for me to have any sympathy to what happened to the Jew in WWII. They brought it upon themselves. Jews have proven that they cannot coexist with human beigns because they are a hateful vile mean spirited decietful tribe of crooks and parasites.

Southbay Bob on July 30, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Southbay Bob,

    …and we don’t have any sympathy for you being the most pathetic speller in the world. Truly, it isn’t that difficult to utilize a spell checker.

    I’m sure you are also a first class klutz, so I don’t think Israel has any worries about you being a serious threat. You will no doubt only hurt yourself if you try. And we won’t have any sympathy for your inevitable boo-boos either.

    We also don’t have any sympathy for your brain and heart not being quite right.

    Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 7:10 pm

Southbay Bob,

At least Jews can spell.
Jews did not bring it on themselves. Germans and Hitler did. You are a Nazi piece of filth..I tell you this: THIS TIME, we are ready for scum like you. We are armed and prepared. Eat shit, Southbay, Bob.

natashaINFIDEL on July 30, 2011 at 5:18 pm

To the two neo-nazi twins and jackasses, Southbay Boob and Motives, the both of you can go back to that hateful blog called “Stormfront” and write your nazi-loving garbage on that waste of space hateful website.

I’m not a religious person but the bible says that “those who curse the jewish people will be cursed by god”, go ahead call me a bible-thumper, because I seldomly quote the bible when I’m on a public message board, oh and BTW you two neo-nazi whores, I happen to be a non-jewish person and to increase your blood pressure, I happen to be a black man (which I’m in my prime years in my early-30s).

Now I dare any of you two white-trash neo-nazi left wingers to comeback here and call me a “uncle Tom” or why not call me the “N” word, while the two of you nazi blowhards are it, why not call me a “jew lover”, etc.? Atleast the two of you hatemongerers are honest and I respect that from the two of you hateful low-lives. As I said, send your ultra-hatred to Stormfront, an islamist website or any jew-hating website on cyberspace!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    sean R , you are an uncle tom bro

    actually , you are the biggest display of uncle tomness in the history of uncle tomness

    waldemar on July 30, 2011 at 6:26 pm

      Diggin’ deep there, waldemar…diggin’ deep man.

      Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 6:57 pm

      Ok Waldemar, thanks for showing your true colors and your honesty you racist and anti-semitic white-trash POS! I hope Debbie let’s your ignorant and hateful comment remain on this blog so everybody can read what you wrote about me and they react to your comment you hatemongorer.

      So why don’t you send your sorry ass to Stormfront or any white-nationalist blog(s) and spewout your hatred of jewish people, black people and other minorities. And I can bet if you saw me or any other black person walking down the road in your area or in my area you would probably walk the opposite direction?

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    I am very honest about my intentions, Sean.
    And while I am a racist, I do not look down on those of other races. So what, you’re black; big deal. I don’t mind. Malcolm X was black, George Lincoln Rockwell was white and they got along JUST FINE, hehe. 😀

    As for Christianity, it is Judaism 2.0 + Jesus. Islam is Judaism 3.0 – they threw in Muhammed. 😉

    Abraham was willing to murder his own child… Muhammed a pedophile… Jesus is probably the nicest religious figure out there. Too bad he’s a jew. 😛

    Motives on July 31, 2011 at 5:28 am

BTW Debbie, when you log onto your website here, let both Motives and Southbay Boob’s hateful comments stay here, don’t erase their hateful message, let everyone who comments here see and read their hateful and anti-semitic garbage and react to it!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 5:49 pm

@Dr Dale
Where did you got that history ‘knowledge’ of yours from?

Some unpopular facts about Poland in WW2:
– Poland was attacked and split by Hitler and Stalin.
– Poland never cooperated with Hitler. There were SS divisions composed from Croatian (which Serbs remember all too well), Ukraine (which we in Poland remember just as well), ect. troops, but never by Poles.
– Poland lost almost 6 million citizens (3 milion Jews among them), almost all civilians, which gives largest death toll in percentage of population. Check death toll statistics.
– Poland was the only nazi-occpuied country where hiding Jews was punishable by death. Quite often entire villages were massacred by SS because of that. Human life was got very cheap back then. Still the Polish citizens tops Yad Vashem stats.
– It was Polish Underground Army that reported to England and USA about death camps, giving details. NOBODY BELIEVED. This is when “Polish jokes” began.

List could go on…

gr77 on July 30, 2011 at 7:12 pm

If you are conversing about anything other than the horror this religiously motivated terror attack has caused, you are crazy. Plain and simple.

Debbie is one of the most repugnant, vile creatures on the internet.

James Di Fiore on July 30, 2011 at 7:50 pm


    The article under which you are posting is about a vile organization called FATAH being heavily involved in the goings on at this Norwegian youth indoctrination summer camp.

    Stands to reason, that should be the main topic of conversation here. This particular article is NOT about Breivik. If you want to read about Breivik or read other peoples comments about Breivik, go find articles directly related to Breivik elsewhere on the internet.

    Most importantly, if you find Debbie so disagreeable, why have you come here? I don’t like HuffPo or the DailyKos. So I don’t visit those sites. Let alone bother to post comments there about my negative sentiments.

    You enjoy labeling people you don’t like with your own version of repugnant hyperbole.

    Kairn on July 30, 2011 at 8:07 pm

      Karin, speaking of the Daily KOS, I was on this particular thread yesterday at this time and one poster claimed that the Daily Kos is clearing up their blog of anti-semitic rhetoric. I think that’s a good sign what the Kos is doing (even though I disagree with their viewpoints on political issues, but their still entitled to their opinions, viewpoints, etc.), I’ve been on a few liberal blogs, the only liberal blogs I go onto are the ones who “left-of-center”!

      Those liberal blogs I like alot, because those are true liberals, even though I may not agree with everything the writer and some of the posters say, but their very rational and civil about the topics they comment on. So I don’t just go onto conservative blogs, I also go onto liberal blogs and also centrist blogs, because I want to read what the other sides are saying, etc.

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Unfortunately, Debbie’s accurate. Here’s the Nowegian ambassador to Israel:

    “In a recent interview, Norway’s ambassador to Israel has suggested that Hamas terrorism against Israel is more justified than the recent terrorist attack against Norway. His reasoning is that “we Norwegians consider the occupation to be the cause of the terror against Israel.” In other words terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel. The terrorism against Norway, on the other hand, was based on “an ideology that said that Norway, particularly the Labor Party, is foregoing Norwegian culture.” It is hard to imagine that he would make such a provocative statement without express approval from the Norwegian government.”

    The Norwegians can go to Hell.

    Occam's Tool on July 30, 2011 at 8:09 pm

      Occam’s Tool, let me get this straight, the Norwegian ambassador said that hamas’s terrorism against Israel is correct according to his pathetic mind? In other words, the Norwegian ambassador is a “neo-nazi”!

      And he also said that, terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel? WTF? As I said, Norway’s ambassador is a neo-nazi, simple as that! I also believe that’s one of the reasons why the jewish population has declined throughout Norway because of anti-semitic and anti-Israel rhetoric like that Norwegian schmuck.

      And the samething can be said for the rest of scandinavia, ie, Denmark, Finland & Sweden, the jewish population is decreasing in those countries because of the rise of anti-semitism in those countries, through their educational system, propaganda, etc.!

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 8:36 pm

Ok James Di Fiore, typical reactionist troll, “read between the lines” (I assume you did that instead reading the whole page from start-to-finish) use some ad hominiems against the messenger and from their do a hit-and-run with the tail between your legs and disappear into the night!

If DS is “vile” and “repugnant” as you claim, then why the hell did you come over here dumbass? I think your the one who’s repugnant and a vile creature on this blog James. Get lost and DON’T log onto this website EVER again in your pathetic life stupid! Let us with triple-digit IQ debate and talk about this tragic issue in a civil and rational way, not double-digit or single-digit trolls like you James Di Fiore and your moonbot ilk.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 30, 2011 at 8:09 pm

Thanks, Debbie for reaffirming what many cannot accept that GLEN BECK does his homework and is usually right on. For those that cry out against the massacre-but do not say squat if it was a jewish youth camp. If you want an unbias history-go to history channel look for the one dealing with the jewish concentration camps, etc. The very people running the majority of camps WERE MUSLINS UNDER CONTROL OF AN IMAM. WHERE were you and your parents back then???? So killing of Muslim,Fatah,PLO, etc. is justified. Reason I say this is simple-their rule of HUDNA(where a muslim can make ANY agreement to/with an unbeliever only they believe Mohammad does not obligate them to follow through if they do not want without “Lying”. Thus reason for all these attacks to israel then the sore losers get their butt kicked they want to NEGOTIATE again-treaties THEY muslims already made-whining to the world how bad it is for them. You really think for one moment they would not hesitate to kill us or jews. Look to 9/11 where they showed videos of palestinians dancing in the street that evening. Why is it that these oil rich countries still live like 2000 yrs ago. It’s because most cannot READ or WRITE-reason we are still Afghanistan. They cannot send a book home with the soldiers-they are illeterents. Now able to read via internets to verify if what is being posted is true or possible true. Just ask anyone involved in the 1967 6 day war-Jordan, Egypt, etc butt majorily kicked-Isreal tanks rumbling down the streets yet reporting on local news how muslims were winning??? Seeing the truth outside their windows they realized they were lied to!!!

Hotdoggie on July 30, 2011 at 9:04 pm

I want to second what Hotdoggie said. Thank you for the post, Debbie. It seems that the truth you reported both here and your previous post on this topic is hurtful to the trolls lurking here. Thank you also Sean R. and Karin for keeping the trolls at bay and telling them what the score is.

JeffE on July 30, 2011 at 9:15 pm

To the good peeps who are regulars here. Don’t fret the trolls. And don’t feed them either. Especially on this thread.

You see, you will NEVER be able to change their minds. That’s ok, because these dorks don’t even know the issue. They are just knee-jerk Liberals. If you notice, they can only name call and not one has the acumen, knowledge or even know-how to even try to counter DS’ argument (they will never get me to their side, but I’d love to see someone give it a proper go). And much to their chagrin, as much as they hate DS, they will NEVER be able to compete against her knowledge. Even we who love this site are not up to par with that (if we were to disagree, that is).

These losers who can just show their anger and outrage always post those two things and disappear. They show themselves to be clueless and unhinged.

Just let them post their garbage and they will disappear.

They never stay around long-term. That’s good for us! 😀

Skunky on July 30, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “If you notice, they can only name call and not one has the acumen, knowledge or even know-how to even try to counter DS’ argument”

    What is her argument? She said that she doesn’t approve of terrorism, but then goes on at great length to explain that she feels no sadness for the people that were killed. That’s not an argument, it is just hypocrisy. Her supporters can say “she said she doesn’t condone it” while ignoring the fact that she spends much more time agreeing with what happened.

    Her main point is about the politics of the camp. She has, directly or indirectly, said this was like a Hitler Youth camp and a Fatah/Hamas Youth camp.

    The first is absurd. It was Breivik who talked about his support of National Socialist principles and that the only mistake that Hitler made was killing the Jews instead of forcibly deporting them to the Middle East. It was also Breivik who is willing to give up his support of Jews if it will help him recruit neo-Nazi groups for his mythical army.

    At this point, someone usually brings up Quisling. Yes, Vidkun Quisling was Norwegian and, yes, he collaborated with the Nazis. However, Quisling was a member of a right-wing party that took over Norway in a Nazi-assisted coup. The people that Quisling and the Nazis threw out are the political ancestors of the party that holds the camp on Utoya. Comparing them to the Hitler Youth is an insult to the Norwegians who fought against the Nazis, and simply historically inane.

    That leaves the charge that it was a Hamas/Fatah Youth Camp. Yes, the campers do support a separate Palestinian state. So do the last three American presidents. So does Binyamin Netanyahu. That doesn’t make them supporters of terrorism. It also doesn’t make them anti-Semitic.

    Is there any proof anywhere that any of the people killed ever called for terrorist attacks on Israel, or that any of them praised terrorist attacks? I’ve never seen any, and Debbie certainly hasn’t cited any.

    Some of the campers did support a boycott of Israel. Obviously, Debbie finds that distasteful, and so do most of the commenters here. However, a boycott is a political act, not an act of terror. Saying that someone deserves to die, or that you don’t care that they have died, because of a political position is not how humanity is supposed to work. I don’t agree with most of the things Debbie says, but I certainly don’t think anyone has the right to threaten her with violence, much less perform actual violence against her.

    It wasn’t a Hitler Youth group. It wasn’t a group of terrorist supporters. It was a group of young socialists who hold a political position that you find offensive. You are entitled to that belief. No one is entitled to kill for that belief, and anyone who endorses those killings, whether openly or tacitly, should be ashamed.

    Dave H. on July 31, 2011 at 1:15 am

      Dave H. said: It was Breivik who talked about his support of National Socialist principles and that the only mistake that Hitler made was killing the Jews instead of forcibly deporting them to the Middle East


      “Breivik” said

      ‘that Hitler should have used his “military capabilities…to liberate Jerusalem and the nearby provinces from Islamic occupation” and give them to the Jews. Breivik calls on his imaginary comrades: “So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

      Mallory on July 31, 2011 at 5:22 am

        Breivik didn’t say the stuff you are quoting. That was from one of the hundreds of times that he prints entire blog posts from other people.

        His views on National Socialism only show up in his rambling third book, which he appears to have mostly written himself.

        Dave H. on July 31, 2011 at 11:45 am

      “What is her argument? She said that she doesn’t approve of terrorism, but then goes on at great length to explain that she feels no sadness for the people that were killed. That’s not an argument, it is just hypocrisy.”

      Dave H., you just can’t see that NOT approving what Breivik did and feeling NO sadness are NOT mutually exclusive.

      Why can’t you see that?

      It’s NOT hypocritical. It is TWO separate things.

      No have NO idea what DS knows and how this is her life calling. You stupidly stating the above sentence PROVES that you are too dumb for her.

      She has NO TIME for people who don’t get it. She knows more than you. She knows more than me. We can start studying now to catch up, but it will take absolute dedication to even be up to par. She even knows Arabic fluently.

      You don’t get it Dave H. You are nothing to DS. You get in the way like an annoying gnat because you have NO CLUE but make a lot of noise in an annoying way. You need to get out of YOUR own way before DS will EVER waste time on you. She on the moon and you are below the whale droppings at the bottom of the sea. That is how far below her you are. (in knowledge and education on the issue).

      Again, NOT condoning the massacre and not caring about those fallen are two different things. She can feel that way because her head is on the chopping block and she is smart enough to know how evil the enemy is.

      She has NO TIME for fools who play with fire and get burned.

      Smarten up.

      Skunky on July 31, 2011 at 12:13 pm

        So you demand a discussion with no name-calling, yet you can’t do it yourself? Fine.

        Debbie may or may not be far above me when it comes to her knowledge of this subject. The reason I don’t know is that I can see two possibilities:

        1) She actually knows very little about the subject, and that’s the reason she has so many factual errors on this site – calling Utoya a Hitler Youth camp and a PLO camp, calling a Christian missionary “another wannabe Islamist terrorist”, and on and on and on.

        2) She’s a liar. She knows that the things she says are untrue, but slants them, distorts them or just makes them up to suit her Islamophobia.

        I think it is clearly the second, especially if she is as brilliant as you all seem to think. She knows the truth about Utoya – a man who shares her extremist anti-Muslim positions set off a car bomb (she always ignores that part) and then went to a youth camp to kill young adults who had done nothing wrong other than belong to the youth wing of the political party he hated because he thought they coddled Muslims.

        It wasn’t a Fatah camp or a PLO camp or a HAMAS camp. Their only “crime” against Israel was advocating for a separate Palestinian state and calling for a boycott. Guess what? That’s allowed in this society, and it doesn’t make you an anti-Semite or a supporter of terrorism.

        And then, after the murders, when even her fellow Islamophobes were willing to condemn Breivik’s actions, Debbie couldn’t really do it. She threw a token sentence in there, so she can quote it and you can quote it, but condemnation means you completely disapprove of the action. It doesn’t mean “well, I wouldn’t have told him to do it, but I’m certainly not upset by it.”

        No one wants an intelligent debate here. You either agree 100% with Saint Debbie, or you are lower than whale droppings. Debbie isn’t smarter than I am, and her biggest advantage in knowledge comes in the field of crazy conspiracy theories.

        Dave H. on August 1, 2011 at 4:06 pm

Is Anders Behring Breivik a Christian?



Bruce on July 30, 2011 at 10:16 pm

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