September 8, 2008, - 10:54 am

Happy Ramadan: Yet Another Muslim Attack on Jews in France

By Debbie Schlussel
When Muslims tell you that Ramadan is about peace and charitable works–they only mean toward other Muslims (and even that is not often the case), NOT non-Muslims and infidels like you and me.
A few years ago, I told you about the brutal torture and murder of Jewish teen Ilan Halimi by Muslims in France. They cut off his fingers and toes, one by one, and put burning cigarette butts to his skin, all while his parents heard his screams of agony over the phone. Then, they dumped his body on railroad tracks and he died at the hospital.
Last year, a French Jewish woman was carved with a swastika by her Muslim attackers.
In June, I told you about another attack by French Muslims against a teen-aged Chassidic Jew. After being beaten with metal bars and having his skull smashed, he was put in a coma and sustained serious brain damage.
That Was Then . . .

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This is Now . . .
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The latest French Muslim-on-Jew attack is even more disturbing to me because it is against young kids in the religious Zionist youth group, Bnei Akiva (Sons of Akiva–Akiva was a legendary, great Jewish Rabbi). Both my father and I (and all of my siblings) were members of Bnei Akiva as kids, and both he and I (and my siblings) attended Bnei Akiva summer camps (my father also later was a counselor–where one of his campers was comedian David Steinberg–and camp doctor).
Bnei Akiva is a great group, and it’s not just about being a modern religious Jew and pro-Israel. It’s about good values and working the land through agriculture. (Part of the reason Israel is having the demographic problem it has now is that it brought in Arabs from other lands to do the work secular Israelis wouldn’t do.)
Oh, and by the way, the attack occured during “holy,” “merciful,” “peaceful,” “charitable” Ramadan.

Three counselors from the Bnei Akiva youth movement were attacked not far from the organization’s central branch in Paris on Saturday afternoon.
The boys, aged between 17 and 18, had just finished the minha [DS: Afternoon] prayer when they were attacked by a group of Muslims, the head of Bnei Akiva’s French desk, Binyamin Tuati, told The Jerusalem Post Sunday.
According to a statement released by World Bnei Akiva spokesman Tzvika Klein, the youths were initially approached by a group of three Muslim/African immigrants who began to throw chestnuts in their direction. When one of the counselors asked them why they were being attacked, the assailants began shouting anti-Semitic remarks.
Ten to 12 attackers wearing brass knuckles joined the original three and beat the three Jews until police arrived.

The victims, Dan Nabet, Kevin Bitan and David Buaziz, had all been released from hospital by Sunday afternoon, sporting several wounds, including a broken nose, a broken jaw and stitches.
According to Tuati, the victims’ families filed a complaint with police. The incident has already been recognized as an anti-Semitic attack by local authorities. So far, police have identified three suspects.
Bnei Akiva is concerned that the incident occurred in a central area for its members, in the 19th arrondissement in northeast Paris. The area, said Tuati, was close to a school and was visited by roughly 150 children every Shabbat [DS: the Jewish Sabbath].
It was the second anti-Semitic attack near the Bnei Akiva branch in two months.

Religion of Peace?
Oh, and by the way, where is CAIR, MPAC, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MSA, and the rest of the alphabet soup of Islam in condemning this Muslim anti-semitic violence?
Crickets chirping.
What is interesting is that many of France’s Jews are descended from Jews who escaped Arab Muslim nations, as is the case with Halimi and all three of the Bnei Akiva boys attacked by French Muslims on Saturday. They fled to France to escape this kind of thing–the open violent persecution at the hands of the Religion of Greater Barbaria, Islam.
But you can’t get away from it. Not in France. And not in America. They are there, they are here, they are everywhere, because unlike the Founding Fathers who fought them when they were pirates, we let them in freely.

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32 Responses

Yes, many flee from Muzzies because of persecution. What do Muzzies do? They follow you to the ends of the earth for that golden opportunity to severe your head from your shoulders because you aren’t full of hate, like them.
At the Olympics, China couldn’t cover the muzzie violence in an outlying area. We heard about the unrest, then we heard NOTHING. Muzzies were most like gunned down in China which is the appropriate response.

GOLDENMIKE4393 on September 8, 2008 at 11:52 am

How many more incidents like this until the Jews of France decide to leave? What is it going to take for them to wake up? At this point, I have a hard time feeling sympathy for them since they are staying around to be abused. They don’t have to look too far back in history to see where France is heading. LEAVE NOW!

lexi on September 8, 2008 at 12:06 pm

How soon til those of the Jewish faith, anywhere on Earth, return to the (better) days of yesteryear, a la Israel in the late 40’s-early 50’s?: “An eye for an eye,” to put it mildly. Screw with me, I’ll screw you up ten times that badly in return. Keep it up, and we’ll try real hard for one hundred times the reply.

theendisnear on September 8, 2008 at 3:20 pm

This was on youtube:Its really scarey, the Muslim-Islamics protesting against the Jews and Infidels of the west. They are in England.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM
[PE: COULD YOU PLEASE COME UP WITH A LESS TASTELESS SCREEN NAME? THANKS. DS]

penisenvy on September 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm

TO LEXI:
How do you come off blaming the victims of violent crime?
Can’t you see? Anti-semitism is world wide and there’s no guarantee IF Jews moving FROM France won’t face anti-semitism somewhere else

GOLDENMIKE4393 on September 8, 2008 at 6:36 pm

Sigh, makes me glad to be in the U.S. I wonder why I do not hear about this. I wonder why people hate?

mindy1 on September 8, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Goldenmike: Why continue to live in a hostile country amongst murderous Muslims who run amok with impunity? They could move to Israel or to the US. Or Australia. Would YOU continue to live in France? I wouldn’t.

lexi on September 8, 2008 at 8:59 pm

THe biggest issue in our numbers and demographics is low birth rates which the blame or that is Rabbinic Judaism which has it’s problems. Every event I go to they say horrible things about Jewish men and in that environment only doormat men can get married. And I had a horrible childhood and adolesnce growing up with so called Orthodox parents. My parents did everything to intimidate and frighten me growing up and I wish I had experiences like Debbie is mentioning here but I did not and many Rabbi’s are OPENLY HOSTILE AND HATEFUL to me when I have expressed my concerns due to my personal experiences and the congregants are taught to be vicious to men that don’t have a perfect background. SO I stay away from the so called Relgious Judaism. I stil can’t figure out how Rabbinic Judaism (which is what Judaism is today some of it does deviate from the bible by the way) can be taken seriously if they will not close the loophole of Jewish women marrying Nonjewish men and the Rabbi’s act like this is a main teneant of the Torah which it is not(to pander to women like they always sadly do). which the Rabbi’s at one point prohibited men from intermarrying when Jews were going into exile and when polygomy was allowed and if these corrupt stupid Rabbi’s had any brains in their head and would stop being a bunch of misandrist that they are the only good men they would end marriage for women marrying nonjews as well which this issue is similar to many other issues where they make the man 100% to blame for any male female issue starting from this one and claim only DISGUSTING MEN INTERMARRY which is not true but the Rabbi’s don’t want to do a study because their dogma is more important and this lead to community wide misandry. I don’t see how anyone can respect a religon like that. It doesn’t produce a healthy society when you use men as scapegoats. It leads to wimpy men which of course we have to import men from other societies who may be at the opposite extreme.
Here is another crazy thing. Rabbinic Judaism says it is mans obligation to have children which obviously he can’t do and anyway a women biologically has more control over it then men do. It is women to determine if families will be large but many of the women are taught to blame the men for this while they spend their 20’s and 30’s focusing on career. Absolutely crazy.

adam6275 on September 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm

How can you equate the deviant actions of a few to the entire Muslim population? When a Christian murders or rapes on Christmas or a Jew does the same on Yom Kippur do you then state that the entire religion promulgates rape and murder? Do you know anything about Islam at all because your articles and comments sound like the rants of an ignorant uneducated racist.
What happened to the victims in the above article is undeniably appalling, for anyone any religion anywhere. For you to then take this sad series of events and twist it to suit your racist ideolgy is equally as appalling.

NAT_08 on September 8, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Nat 08, islamic = violence, terrorism, with the ok of all prominent organizations representing it.
Check out what they did to Lebanon in the 70’s. It wasn’t the Jews or the Christians. Check out Dearbornistan and Londonistan. It ain’t racism it’s the religion stupid. Christians ain’t torching cars all summer long in France either!
I would propose some very drastic measures to stop this virus from spreading if I were a top dog some where in government.

samurai on September 9, 2008 at 12:13 am

I know you’re busy hating Muslims, but when you take a breather from bashing Islam you might want to consider cracking a book, as clearly you don’t understand the subject for which you have so much passionate hatred, nor do you wish to. I can’t imagine how it is you have so much time to spend spreading hatred rather than doing something worthwhile, but its obvious your goal is to increase the number of ignorant bigots in the world. I feel sorry for the people who read your blog but are too ignorant to understand the different between factual material and hate propaganda.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 12:26 am

And if you think Judaism is any different, think again, or rather, read again b/c if you have actually read the Torah, you must have selective memory.
You seem to have a fixation on Islam having the classification of ‘infidels’ for non-Muslims, and you’re using it in a pejorative manner, even though its translated in just the pure sense of the word, it just means one who doesn’t believe in Islam, as far as Muslims are concerned.
But take a look at Judaism, it also separates non-Jews out as idolaters and the ‘tikkun olam’ concept aims ‘l’takken olam b’malkhut Shaddai’. I assume you know your faith well enough to know what that means? To alot of Jews it means to spread Judaism and rid the world of non-Jews. “Only the acts of Jews further creation, the deeds of non-Jews do not” – Derech Hashem, II:4:9.
Most major religions believe they are the one true religion, and they make that a central tenet – Judaism is no different than Islam in that sense so you might want to learn a little more about Judaism, you lose all credibility criticizing Islam when its obvious you’re not aware of the ways your criticisms could be used against Jews just as easily.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 12:27 am

And finally, ever read the Book of Joshua? Seems you’re more interested in reading inaccurate hate propaganda about Islam than looking at your own faith, but the Torah contains examples of appalling levels of diabolical violence by Jews, seemingly with God’s blessing. Women, children – doesn’t matter – slaughter them by the thousands.
So for a start, before you try using inaccurate quotes from the Quran out of context for your hate-filled rants, keep the Book of Joshua in mind, for a start. But one could easily come up with hundreds of shockingly violent quotes from the Torah, if one cared enough to spend that kind of time slandering someone else’s religion (I don’t).

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 12:29 am

adam6275 and Christy:
Both of you distort if completely make up things about Judaism. Adam6275 – I will not touch what you wrote. You writing shows that you are not thinking.
As for Christy, even if the “Torah contains examples of appalling levels of diabolical violence by Jews”, we Jews do not take the Torah literally. We were given an oral law to explain it. You obviously do not know about that.
At any rate, Jews do not do those things now. In fact many Israelis die because the Israeli government bends over backwards to be humane. So much so that many Israeli lives are lost because of it.
You seem to forget that the Bnei Akivaniks were not attacked by the child rapist who is the star of the Koran. They were attacked less than one week ago in a supposedly civilized country. There have also been Muslim honor killings in the US. I suggest you read http://jihadwatch.com This is real. This is now.

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 12:42 am

i_am_me:
Like I stated earlier it is ignorant to blame the religion for the deviant acts of a few. This form of violence is prohibited in Islam. Seriously, Christy is right go read a book.
And Israel is humane?! This is laughable.
“Methods of interrogation and torture frequently used by Israeli security service include:
Tying up detainees in painful positions for hours or days.
Containment in tiny cramped spaces (for days, prisoners have been stuffed in boxes about 2 feet square and 5 feet high, often with spiked floors).
Prolonged beatings.
Enclosing the detainee’s head in a sack (often soaked with urine and feces).
Violent ìshakingî (Physicians for Human Rights says this has caused brain damage, even death). 5
Bending body in extremely painful positions.
Prolonged exposure to extreme cold or heat.
Sexual, verbal, and psychological abuse.
Threats against the individualís life or family membersí lives.
Playing extremely loud music.
Choking and pulling out hair (prisoners have been forced to swallow hair).
Intentional tightening of handcuffs (According to Amnesty International, the handcuffs used by the Israeli Security forces are in themselves a form of torture, ìÖthe plastic handcuffs tighten on the detainee’s wrist, causing intense pain; former detainees describe their wrists becoming blue as a result of their tightening and adult men screaming with pain as they begged to be taken off.î
Putting head of prisoner in toilet bowl.
And this is your definition of humane?

NAT_08 on September 9, 2008 at 12:51 am

I_am_me: So you’re saying that even Jews don’t put much stock in their own holy book? Interesting. Well I’m sorry to hear that, I was taught that our holy books were given to us by God. Perhaps you think Jews know better than Him.
So you mean today’s Jews don’t necessarily do the same things we can read about in the Torah? But yet I suppose you don’t accept that same explanation from Muslims re: some things in the Quran? No I suppose not, it’s much more convenient to be hypocritical.
Jews are no longer violent now? Actually, its true that some Israelis do bend over backwards to be humane. There are Israelis who were SO appalled by the level of violence being exacted against Muslims/Arabs by their fellow Israelis, they felt moved to act – they’re now an NGO called B’tselem, they try to protect Muslims/Arabs against the rampant violence they’re suffering at the hands of Israelis. So, sure, you’re partially right about that.
I’m not aware of any child rapist in the Quran. But I’m sure you’re aware that Jewish law permitted marriage at the age of 12 or 13, do you consider sex with a 12 year old ‘rape’? If you do today, do you considering it rape if it happened in the 15th century? We can bring examples of very young Jewish girls being married and giving birth if thats what you want to do. But again I think Ms. Schlussel’s readers should more closely examine their own religions before throwing stones in glass houses. Unless the goal is to sound like ignorant hypocrites – in which case carry on.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 1:01 am

Samurai-
Are you trying to say the Christians and Jews do not committ crimes? Are you kidding?!
Historically religion has always been misused and manipulated to serve the interests of a corrupt few, but if you fall into the trap of labelling millions of people as guilty you are truly lost.
Take the White Supremacy movement for example, the movement was founded in Christianity, does that mean all Christians are anti-semitic racist murdering freaks? No, and by the same rationale neither are Muslims.
If you look at the religion of Islam you will see that it is actually a very peaceful and tolerant religion. But if you just refuse to learn and educate yourself because you’re stuck in your stubborn ignorance the do not purport to know about this topic, because you clearly do not.

NAT_08 on September 9, 2008 at 1:04 am

NAT_08:
I don’t blame the religion for the deviant acts of a few. How easy it is for you to put words in someone elses mouth and then condemn those words. It is a lot easier than making a logical argumant based on facts and reason.
You and Christy should read a book. You should also look at the Genocidal hadiths. Both of these and more from the “Religion of Peace” (which should be changed to “We are the Religion of Peace and if you disagree we will kill you”) are used today to justify acts of mass murder and mayhem.
Go look at the Koran and how it describes the acts of its star, a child rapist, and what he did to the Jews of his time. Why is that relavant now? It is relevant because those passages are used by Islamic leaders and those commiting the violence to justify the violence.
Where are the leaders of this religion when they are needed to forcefully condemn and specifically show how their religion forbids such acts when others use the religion and the words of leading Islamic scholars to justify such acts?
As for your alleged acts used by the Israeli security service, the problem is not that they are taking extrememe measures. The problem is that they are NOT taking such measures! However I beieve it is better for Israelis to be blown up by bombs containing nails with rat poison than for a terrorist to not to be treated like royalty. In fact they do not always have to take extreme measures to fight the terrorists. They only have to take common sense measures most of the time.
If you think it is bad in Israeli prisons, this is from today’s (9/8/8) Frontpage from a Muslim who served time in an Israeli prison:
“So I did get to Beersheba,” he writes ruefully, “But only to the prison there. It was actually very nice with color television and free international calls. I would recommend it even over many hotels I have known.”

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 9:06 am

My Fontpage citation above is from today (9/9/8).

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 9:12 am

Christy:
It must be real easy for you to call people “hypocrites” and make comments about things you are ignorant of.
I never claimed Jews “don’t put much stock in their own holy book?”. I stated “do not take the Torah literally”. We have an oral law to help us understand it.
Many of the highest Islamic authorities proclaim some of the most violent and disgusting things are the law. That is what most of the Islamic schoools teach in many places. The murders of many thousands of people TODAY are justified by those concepts. Moslems today attempt mass murder based on what is in the Koran
As for called B’tselem, you must be kidding. Check this out:
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=39&x_article=1533
Here is the last paragraph from the link:
“But if this detailed analysis is too long or tedious for the time-strapped journalist or other skeptic to absorb, here’s one quick fact which should raise serious question marks about B’Tselem’s credibility on Palestinian casualties: the organization still lists Mohammad Al-Dura as killed by Israeli security forces.”

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 9:20 am

I_am_me: Given your comments, it’s really ironic that you’re lecturing Nat_08 about putting words in someone’s mouth and not using a ‘logical argument based on facts and reason’.
I know it’s futile to suggest it, but you’d really benefit from learning about other religions just for your own education, with an open mind, rather than just learning things you can use to spread hateful, ignorant propaganda about them. If you had ANY close personal relationships with Muslims, yes *plural*, it wouldn’t be possible for you to hold onto such hateful ideas about them, it’d be impossible to not see how wrong you are.
So sure, stay in your little bubble of hate and ignorance. Read blogs like this one, full of hate and paranoia. Must be a joyous life you live, really.
It’s interesting that I don’t know a single educated, *cultured* person who holds the same ignorant, bigoted ideas held by you and Ms. Schlussel. The people I’ve met who feel the way you do are generally the kind of want to run and hide under their beds at the sight of anyone who isn’t white, hence the need to stay inside your little bubble.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 1:17 pm

I_am_me: I see, so you’re saying Jews have decided that the Torah in its literal form is confusing and should not be taken literally. If you feel so strongly about that, why are you having such a difficult time understanding that many things in the Quran can be easily taken out of context as misused as well? THAT is what Ms. Schlussel and her readers seem to enjoy doing. If you insist on using the Quran in that way, you should be willing to hear what the Torah has to say in its literal form too, b/c it aint any prettier. And if you want proof, I’d be happy to supply it, but as I said, open the book of Joshua for starters and let me know if you really want to go down that path. I’d rather you figure it out on your own b/c I really get no pleasure at all from criticizing someone else’s religion.
Lets compare apples to apples though, you cant take out-of-context direct quotes from the Quran without understanding/explaining the context but insist the Torah only be discussed in its modern, interpreted form.
For starters, stick to the Quran and not Hadith, since the latter are not meant to be from God, but from people living often times hundreds of years after the initial spread of Islam. The violent quotes from the Quran usually referred to around here are taken from a time that *some* Arab tribes were at war with *some* Israelite tribes. The things said were related to *that* specific conflict. Both sides contributed to bloody, calculated battles. All religions have been involved in war and war is never pretty. To discuss it a thousand years later and hold it against today’s Muslims as if it’s some sort of Quranic instruction for today’s Muslims is beyond extremely ignorant, it’s absurd and a waste of your time since only people as ignorant as Ms. Schlussel and her ilk would be impressionable enough to give it any credence.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 1:26 pm

And I_am_me you must be JOKING with that report supplied by CAMERA. CAMERA is a staunchly pro-Israel lobby created in hopes of censoring the media from reporting anything even remotely negative about Israel. Did you even read the article? Can you read between the lines? They’re splitting hairs about whether a ‘civilian’ casualty even counts, as even ‘terrorists’ could accidentally be counted as civilians. REAL compelling evidence you got there. Thanks I think I’ll stick with the thousands of other organizations on BOTH sides of the conflict who consider B’Tselem a highly commendable, balanced, compassionate and responsible organization.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 1:27 pm

I_am_me:
By the way, do enlighten us as to who you’re referring to when you say:
“Many of the highest Islamic authorities proclaim some of the most violent and disgusting things are the law.”
I know its easier to just make stuff up, but lets cite some sources from now on. Which ‘highest Islamic authorities’ are you referring to? Hopefully you’re aware that mainstream Islam = Sunni Islam. In Sunni Islam, which means roughly 85% of all Muslims, there is NO head cleric of any sort.
What some crazy Mullah in nowheresville Yemen says should in no way he considered any sort of Islamic authority. If you want to do that, I can just as easily cite examples of an extremist rabbi. Here’s one for a start:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3853987.stm
Now, if I had the poor excuse for logic that Ms. Schlussel seems to hold, I’d say all Jews must be pro-violence, since here we have a rabbi preaching murder and violence.
So please, share with us who these alleged ‘highest Islamic authorities’ are, and please, spend 2 seconds checking your facts beforehand to save yourself from further embarrassment.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Christy:
I was not being ironic. He accused me of having written something I did not. He then criticized what he falsely accused me of doing.
If I were you I would suggest http://jihadwatch.com. Not only does he provide information on vicious acts committed in the name of the Koran, its star child rapist (Mohammed) and justifications of these acts by current and former Islamic scholars but he also teaches the Koran on his web site.
I believe it is you who have not learned the Koran and the hadiths, otherwise you would not make the claims you have. Or do you claim to know the Koran better then the leading Islamic scholars with whom you seem to disagree about what is in the Koran?
You are also doing a dis-service to Debbie by comparing her ideas to mine. She disagrees with me vehemently about some things and I am fairly certain she thinks I am not too intelligent or well read. She might even be correct.
Jews never decided how to interpret the Torah. G-d told us. And it is not only “modern” The Oral law has been with us since Sinai.
I am firmly willing to believe that many items in the Koran and the Hadiths might not intended to be taken literally. Unfortunately for that argument, leading Islamic scholars in the here and now believe otherwise, and so do those they get to commit these vicious acts. That is the main difference. I don’t understand how you cannot comprehend such a simple and obvious fact.
By the way, while I cannot say I have any Islamic friends, I did live with a Shiite Muslim from Iran during Graduate school (I asked for a Jewish roommate, someone must have thought this was funny). We had no problem getting along.
I guess you did not read the CAMERA article. And CAMERA does not wish to censor anything. They only want to get the truth out. However, since you failed to understand that article, how about simply commenting on the last paragraph. Can any organization that still counts Muhhamed Al-Dura as having been killed by Israelis be credible?
One more question. When you wrote:
“It’s interesting that I don’t know a single educated, *cultured* person who holds the same ignorant, bigoted ideas held by you and Ms. Schlussel. The people I’ve met who feel the way you do are generally the kind of want to run and hide under their beds at the sight of anyone who isn’t white, hence the need to stay inside your little bubble.”
What did you mean by “ignorant, bigoted ideas”:

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 2:04 pm

I_Am_Me:
Until you can produce proof of ‘leading Islamic scholars’ saying the things you claim they say, its not worth discussing since I’m not aware of ANY credible Islamic authority condoning violence. I do, however, know of several trusted Islamic organizations who reach out to urge Muslims to speak out against violence and foster peace. Organizations such as ISNA, Zaytuna, CAIR, to name a few that even the Bush administration consider to be credible/trustworthy organizations – judging from the fact that they have consulted these orgs. Jihadwatch is a website, not a valid source of knowledge since its sole purpose is to spread hate against Muslims.
The case of Muhammad Al Dura is still unclear, the Israeli army admitted they accidentally killed him, remember? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/954703.stm
Subsequent investigations (BY the Israeli army, therefore biased to begin with) were inconclusive at best. And in any case, this is, for the most part, irrelevant to the topic at hand.
What I mean by ‘ignorant, bigoted ideas’ are ideas such as considering the Prophet Muhammad a ‘child rapist’, for a start. The fact that you see it that way shows a lack of understanding of the facts and customs of the time – customs Jews also considered acceptable at that time. And for being gulliple/uninformed enough to give a website like jihadwatch ANY credibility whatsoever.
Your comments show a huge lack of education regarding Islam and Muslims and yet you seem to have quite a passionate hate for Muslims, hence ‘bigoted’. And you continue to equate the violent acts of a few extremists (who insist on calling themselves Muslims) with the ideals of the Muslim diaspora. If that isn’t ignorant, I don’t know what is.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Christy:
I don’t have much time for you. It seems as if you have all the time to troll and mis-inform. However, do you still believe Al-Dura was killed by Israelis? There was a reason the Israeli army originally claimed what they did (not a good reason I might add). It has since been debunked and was just as invalid as the stupid Kahan report after Sabra and Chatilla.
You seem to forget Bin-Laden is a Sunni. He has consulted Sunni authorities. And Iran, a Shiite country, is probably the strongest Islamic country around.
However, why don’t you just read some of the pronouncements (including the ones in Arabic – they have been translated) from Al-Azhar University (Or even what comes out of the Sunni Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia). Do you know where they rank in terms of Islamic (Sunni)scholarship? I don’t believe so because if you did you would not be making a fool of yourself.
More to the point, where are the recognized scholars of Islam condemning these acts?
Given that you consider CAIR to be credible (They are a terrorist organization that has been named in terrorism indictments, many of their leaders have been indicted/deported for terrorism, and was formed from the Moslem Brotherhood – Guess what kind of an organization they are) you reveal yourself for what you are. That he Bush administration thinks they are credible is just one more reason to be happy they are leaving and hope that McCain wins.
Now, I am ending this dialog. I don’t think Debbie appreciates her blog being used for continual personal responses (and I apologize for doing so). If you want to claim victory, then go ahead.

I_am_me on September 9, 2008 at 3:27 pm

I_am_me:
Osama Bin Laden is a Wahhabi Muslim, which is very different from mainstream Sunni Islam. Wahhabism is an extremist/fundamentalist sect of Islam. The ‘authorities’ I assume you’re referring to in Saudi Arabia are Wahhabi authorities, they really have no relevance to mainstream Muslims. They’re as different from mainstream Muslims as the Yearning for Zion people in TX are different from mainstream Christians.
Plenty of prominent Muslims and Muslim organizations speak out against violence and promote peace, there are countless examples, but here are just a few:
Dr. Ali Gomaal, Grand Mufti, Egypt – The Real Meaning of Jihad, Equality & Freedom: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/muslims_speak_out/2007/07/sheikh_ali_gomah.html
Prof. Abduallah al-Askar, King Saud University, Saudi Arabia – Jihad, Violence, & Suicide Bombing:
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/muslims_speak_out/2007/07/abdullah_alaskar.html
Muslims Against Terrorism & Extremism: http://www.freemuslims.org/
Here is a list of dozens of prominent Muslims and Muslim Orgs speaking out against violence and 9/11: http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335
And here is another list of hundreds of examples of Muslims leaders and orgs speaking out against terrorist attacks: http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
And here is a blog that lists dozens more examples of Muslim political and religious leaders speaking out against terrorism: http://revjimsutter.blogspot.com/2006/10/muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism.html
Combine the above and you have literally hundreds of solid examples. It’s just not covered as much in Western media, but if you cared to find it, its easy to do so.

Christy on September 9, 2008 at 5:12 pm

i work as a prop trader for a company that is jointly owned by a muslim and a jew, both observant. My experience is that both are kind, decent human beings that are able to work together while respecting each other beliefs. My respect for both faiths is deepened by my contact with them. That to me is America. It scares me to think what your America might look like Ms. Schlussel. Intolerance breeds intolerance and this blog seems designed to keep an active hatred percolating between the jewish and muslim communities. The harm that causes in incalculable. i am prepared to be skewered for these remarks.

bobbyd on September 11, 2008 at 2:02 am

i work as a prop trader for a company that is jointly owned by a muslim and a jew, both observant. My experience is that both are kind, decent human beings that are able to work together while respecting each other beliefs. My respect for both faiths is deepened by my contact with them. That to me is America. It scares me to think what your America might look like Ms. Schlussel. Intolerance breeds intolerance and this blog seems designed to keep an active hatred percolating between the jewish and muslim communities. The harm that causes in incalculable. i am prepared to be skewered for these remarks.

bobbyd on September 11, 2008 at 2:04 am

Nice sentiment bobbyd, I couldn’t agree more 🙂
I hope it was obvious that my comments about Judaism were not to smere the religion or Jews, but to point out that any religion contains things that can be used as ammunition by people who are determined to spread hate. I know alot of Jews, Muslims, Christians and people from other religions as well, and all religions have amazing people. Wrongs by anyone of any particular religion are, in my opinion, the result of faults within the perpetrator, not their religion. The religion is only used as an excuse, which is a disgusting thing to do.

Christy on September 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm

I_Am_Me, everything you read on the web isn’t true or factual. You site a blog buy Jim Sutter who is a compulsive liar who was arrested for falsely accusing someone of stalking and trying to kill him. he is also not a rev and was kicked out the Navy. aTax Evader, Two-Time Convicted Felon, Pathological Liar, Navy Seal Imposter, Bogus Academic,
Fraudulent Combat Medals Claimant,See phonyrev.com ans exposingsutter.com

Lady Predator on March 22, 2009 at 9:29 pm

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