September 19, 2008, - 6:19 pm

Dear “Rabbi” Sandra Bernhard: Please Leave Our Religion; Unfunny Comedienne Uses Bigoted Anti-Gentile Slurs Against Sarah Palin, Non-Jews

By Debbie Schlussel
As readers of this site know, though I intend to vote McCain-Palin, I’m not exactly overwhelmed by Sarah Palin (or McCain) and find the over-exuberant gushing over her, ridiculous.
But far more outrageous is some of my fellow co-religionists’ (in name only) outrageous attacks on Palin. First there is the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations, which foolishly disinvited Sarah Palin from an anti-Iran rally. Stupid move. And for the record, these “Presidents of Major Jewish Organizations” are self-appointed rich people, mostly liberals, who head organizations that have very few members and whose membership’s average age is like 76. They don’t represent the Jews. They don’t rep me.
Now, there is Sandra Bernhard, the unfunny (like most female comediennes) lesbian single mother, who is equally ugly and twisted on the inside as out. Her bigoted anti-Gentile video tirade against Sarah Palin is embarrassing, and as a Jew, I’m disgusted. Here’s the vile video full of disgusting language:


The two slurs she uses against Sarah Palin–“goyishe” and “shiksa”–are derogatory terms for non-Jews, and I never use them. My dad taught me from when I was very little, to refrain. And I cringe when I hear other people use them. The terms are bigoted. Period.
“Goy”, a Hebrew word, literally means “nation”, the “goyim” are the “nations”, but it’s a term used to describe non-Jews, and it has a negative connotation.
Far worse is “Shiksa”, the feminine term of “Shegetz” (pronounced “SHAY-getz”), which also means non-Jew. The word is extremely derogatory, as it comes from the Book of Genesis, in which G-d tells the snake (who got Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden apple) that G-d is going to cut the snake’s legs off and make it and all future snakes creepy crawlers of the earth who will have to eat the dirt and dust. The word, “Shkatz” (pronounced “Shkotz”), is the word for creepy crawler of the earth, and that’s where the term “Shiksa”–used by Sandra Bernhard to describe Sarah Palin–comes from. Sickening.
Frankly, I’d take Sarah Palin any day over Sandra Bernhard. This disgusting figure of showbiz is nauseating and warped in so many ways. I wish we could kick her out of my religion. But for now, like so many stupid celebs, she is a follower of faux Kabbalah a/k/a the Jewish Scientology.
Anyone who knows better knows that the Jewish Bible–the Old Testament–is very much a part of the Christian religion. And I believe Sarah Palin knows far more about it than Sandra Bernhard, who tells her she can’t use it.
I love how she attacks Sarah Palin’s looks. Somebody needs to give Ms. Bernhard a mirror. Guys, which one would you rather “date”?
Oh, and what’s up with Bernhard’s disgusting comment: “a bikini wax: fresh Jew-esque twat in your face”?
Um, no thanks. Three letters: TMI. And please stop invoking my religion for your stupid, disgusting rants against Sarah Palin.
Who died and made you chief rabbi, Sandra Bernhard? Now, please go away. We Jews don’t want to claim you.

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Secular Jews are paranoid about Christians. The truth is the Jews’ most dangerous enemy today is Islam. That’s the enemy the politically correct liberal Jewish organizations would rather not focus on. If Jews can’t unite with the Right to stop Ahmedinenazi, how are they going to help Israel survive? This is not a matter of partisan politics (in stopping a nuclear Iran which has vowed to wipe the Jewish State off the face of the earth) and this is the first time I’ve been ashamed of the Conference Of Presidents Of Major Jewish Organizations for such a sickening display of cowardice. If leftist Jews want to be Jewicidal, that’s their affair. They shouldn’t claim that in what they did represents in any way the views of all Jews or for that matter, that of the country.

NormanF on September 19, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Sandra Bernhard wont make a rant toward a Muslim. Love to see her go in hiding as they call for her head. Where is al Qaeda when you need them? Liberals need to physically get beat down in public for making personal comments about others. This crap makes me furious. The liberals go beyond discussing politics into disgusting cowardly comments behind peoples’s back. (However never a peep against a Muslim) She is just another liberal coward who needs a beat down with a butt end of rifle. NO that might improve her looks. My god it is scary when a Tranny can look better than this cave man looking woman.
Memo to Sandra: Geico is hiring for CaveWomen

californiascreaming on September 19, 2008 at 7:46 pm

I didn’t even know Sandra Bernhard was still in show business. The last I heard from her was when she was in “King of Comedy”, pretending to be in love with Jerry Lewis.
As I see it, this sort of nonsense is a gift to John McCain. It makes normal, sane people shake their heads and pull the lever for McCain.

rglovejoy on September 19, 2008 at 7:51 pm

So THAT’S what those words mean! Thanks for clueing us in, Debbie. I could tell by tone of voice that they weren’t nice words, but it’s better to know just how awful they are.
NormanF,- I agree with you, but you’ve only gone halfway. Islam is everybody’s enemy, Christian and Jew alike.

mplumb on September 19, 2008 at 8:31 pm

The Hebrew word for that monkey mouthed
blow hard cretin is: MINIM!!!(treasonous heretic)
She must be a secret member of the Nethurei Karta…
Anyone got a picture of the bitch kissing a mollah?

Ming the Merciless on September 19, 2008 at 9:26 pm

She really sounds just like one of those schizophrenic bums on a street corner who rants, raves and curses, and who everyone tries to avoid. I listened twice to this clip, and I just can’t tell any difference. What may be even worse than Bernhard is the audience. It’s bad enough that there’s one unhinged woman but the audience?!? How could anyone in their right mind laugh at this apparently mentally ill person? Even if the audience is liberal, this just is not funny, it’s pathetic. I’m conservative, but if I heard a conservative talk this way about liberals, I certainly wouldn’t laugh. It seems like some kind of mass psychosis.

c f on September 19, 2008 at 9:47 pm

One other thing; comedy has degenerated just like art, only much faster. From Rembrandt or da Vinci to the garbage today, but in comedy it only took half a century; from giants like Jack Benny or Groucho Marx (yes, he was on the left but his politics didn’t permeate everything he said) to this garbage in 50 years, with Woody Allen as an intermediary.

c f on September 19, 2008 at 10:06 pm

What I find most amazing and at the same time pathetic is that there are people willing to spend money to watch this alledged comedian perform what she believes to be standup comedy.

Carl on September 19, 2008 at 11:18 pm

From research I did some years ago, a shiksa is a non-Jewish woman who “steals” or entices Jewish men away from their religion. So, in a sense, it means gentile “whore.” To take it a step further, since a child was a Jew through the mother’s bloodline, then a non-Jewish woman who married a Jewish man was said to be stealing away future generations of Jews… a shiksa was, therefore, seen as a great threat to the Jewish people.
Times have changed, and the religion isn’t necessarily as unfriendly towards mixed marriages as it once was; but that’s not always been the case, as evidenced by this term.
Definitely not a term to be used lightly. And for Bernhard to use it against Palin is not only ugly… it just doesn’t make sense — unless she’s using it in the sense that Palin is some kind of threat to the Jewish people, which is simply ridiculous.

elaine on September 20, 2008 at 12:14 am

This isn’t an unusual phenomenon… I’ve always found her to be reprehensible, just because of her presentation and the perennially hostile approach she takes on everything. At one time I thought it was just bing “in character” but over time it was obviously more pervasive- the foul mouthed, militant, nearly incoherent diatribes like the video shows seems to be her staple.
She’s not alone and unique to the Jewish community. There are many Catholics (in name only I’d say) on the public and political stage who rival her. Nancy Pelosi coming immediately to mind, claiming to be a practicing Catholic, all the while taking her pro abortion stance AND speaking for the church in terms of what it does and doesn’t know/believe on the subject.
For what it’s worth, I believe that you’ll find Christians who take their faith seriously, as I believe Sarah Palin does, are among the biggest supporters of Israel because they recognize that Judaism is the foundation of their own religion. Bernhard should really learn who her enemies are in this world…

Mistress_Dee on September 20, 2008 at 4:30 am

She is an idiot. I agree, the last thing I remember her in was The King of Comedy. When celebrities, Streisand and Spielberg in particular, come out for a democrat, it usually backfires. More Americans will vote for Republicans as a response to these idiots who get on a democratic soapbox. Keep it up Sandra and all the rest of the left of Lenin/blame America first celebrities. You’re helping McCain/Palin more than you know, thanks!

Marc on September 20, 2008 at 9:06 am

Thanks for explaining the “shiksa” connotations. I’ve been around Jews my entire life and heard it often. I had NO IDEA it was that serious, probably because I’ve heard it tossed around so nonchalantly.

dm60462 on September 20, 2008 at 11:27 am

Debbie, I wouldn’t take you to see her on a date, but I think SB is funny, to be fair. And I don’t like it when gentiles reference the “Old Testament” either. The term itself is an insult as it implies a new, improved version exists, the “New Tetsment”. The gentile interpretation of our bible is generally wrong and self serving. I’m glad to see SB take ownership of it for the Jews, even if she is a non-hot mess.

Anonymous1 on September 20, 2008 at 12:12 pm

[quote]I think SB is funny[/quote]
Yes, she is funny like the shock jocks think
retards are funny…
Bet you are an avid reader of Israel Shamir too…
(The Swedish KGB agent Joram Jermas. pretending to be Jewish).
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/04/309818.html
Such are the ravages of “Helicobacter Pylori”,
you’ll make just such a face as Sandra Bernhard
when your bleeding stomach ulcer is about to be perforated.
Have you ever seen such a hate twisted facies???
I did, so are the facies of card carrying nazis
as they blame EVERYTHING on the Jews.

Ming the Merciless on September 20, 2008 at 12:40 pm

I’d do her…

tita2juju on September 20, 2008 at 12:47 pm

She was very ‘into’ Muslim mysticism and even ‘sang’ the Muslim call to prayer in her act a few years ago.

poetcomic1 on September 20, 2008 at 4:22 pm

I was watching this the other day, and thought, For someone so “xenophobically” Jewish, as she seems to be – an oxymoron, to be sure, she cleaves to her ‘Old Testament’, her beloved Old Testament, which sure sounds awfully Christian to me, since that is what we as Christians call it…. she didn’t use any Hebrew words for her beloved book, but she found only the nastiest for the non Jew.

Jewel Atkins on September 20, 2008 at 4:58 pm

Come on Debbie, this was not a big deal. And calling a non-Jew a “goy” or a “shiksa” is not a big deal. I fear Sarah Palin and John McCain far more than I fear Sandra Bernhard’s commentary on life. Palin and McCain are way too extreme for the U.S. and Palin needs to focus on her fractured family, i.e., her drug-addled son and her pregnant teenage daughter, rather than putting her political ambitions first.

babygreens on September 20, 2008 at 9:31 pm

Well… for a standup comedy routine, it wasn’t particularly funny. In fact, I didn’t hear that many people laughing.
I can certainly understand your revulsion, Debbie. I share it.

There is NO Santa Claus on September 20, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Kabbalah has changed my life completely. It’s given me a sense about who I am and where I see myself going in the future. But I can never get the big eyeball to stay on the marble, it’s always looking off in a different direction.

John Harper on September 20, 2008 at 11:14 pm

The hatred oozes. And this is comedy? Somebody so angry is funny? What’s funny is that people paid to see this. No, sorry, disturbing actually. I have loathed SB for 20 years. To label this as standup comedy is absurd. She is so jealous of Palins fabulous looks, happiness and success, she must launch into an angry rant. Palin is everything she wishes she was: beautiful, happy, and fucking STRAIGHT!!!!

spiffo on September 20, 2008 at 11:46 pm

To Elaine, the word “shiktzah” has nothing to do with the words “thief” or “whore”. A man or a woman can be of the greatest personal repute and still be derided as a “sheigetz” or a “shiktzah” respectively.

Shy Guy on September 21, 2008 at 6:27 am

The epitomy of what is wrong with our society.
The mind of a person like this is a complete anomally to rationality.
A pre civilisational freak an escapee from sodom and gomorrah
and those that paid to listen to her or even worse– find her funny– words fail me
The collapse of morality fills me with sadness

doubtingthomas on September 21, 2008 at 7:10 am

I don’t need to see/listen to this video to get the latest of SB’s vitriol. She is a head case and has been one for long time. She fits in well with Oprah and the hags on The View–and Babs and Michael Moore, and Michael J Fox and Madonna—and so on and so on. NOTHING NEW HERE. The good people of our nation know that this sort of rant is pure Barbara Striesand–“BS.” As other posters have noted–it only helps McCain-Palin.
Now, as one who has often been called a goy–I find that humorous (whether I should or not). In blood line I am goy—but in faith, I (like Ann Coulter) believe that I have more fidelity to the true Jewish faith of the Torah than most Jews do. The Messiah I worship was/is the ultimate perfect Jew.
Shiksa is a word that I have always heard from Jews to refer to non-Jewish women. The female Jews mean in it demeaning sense (like a dog–saying it in the sense that the word is itself has poison). The Jewish men have used it in this sense “Shiksa’s are for practice.” Their way of saying–I screw one whenever I can, but would never marry one.

BB on September 21, 2008 at 9:14 am

I laughed at her. Not because what she said was funny, but because SHE was making fun of PALIN’S looks.
HAH! I’ve seen better looking horses! Dead horses!
No offense to the horses…

Callidus on September 21, 2008 at 4:43 pm

I second the thanks for the linguistics lesson. Didn’t realize how offensive those words really are.
(Off topic, but still rather important!! Brigitte’s site for the American Congress for Truth has been hacked. I tried to log on after reading “They Must Be Stopped”, but some fool overseas decided to make it difficult.
I didn’t know how to reach her, so I tried leaving messages on a couple of different boards. If you, she, or the rest of the known universe is aware of the situation, I apologize for the extraneous information.)

cirrus1701 on September 21, 2008 at 5:24 pm

Debbie,
I am a great fan of your site and really appreciate your insightful articles that reveal the truth that so many others hide.
I agree with you fully about the disgusting performance of SB and I have no use for such twisted people.
However, I think you have carried the definition of shiksa and shaygetz too far. Most Jewish people mean it simply that the person is a prototypical non Jew. Some Gentiles have characteristics and life styles that on the surface are very similar to middle class Jewish people. However, others are very involved in their religion or do things that would not commonly be done by Jewish people and then the term is used. It is not pejorative like the n word is in relation to African Americans.

Facts of Life on September 21, 2008 at 7:19 pm

Sandra Bernhard … last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it.

pdigaudio on September 21, 2008 at 10:18 pm

I’m sure that other grossly unfunny Jew “comic” who makes hideous,anti-White race humor statements ( then claims you don’t “get it” if you’re White and angry about it )also named Sarah – Silverman –
has to be angry that she didn’t think of this first.But I digress….
Hardly the first such race-baiting,badly disguised as “hip” comedy for Sandra. I still vividly remember her on “Arsenio Hall” in 1992,only a couple of weeks after the Rodney king riots. After babbling about that,and race relations,she spewed: “If Bush( Sr. )gets relected,honey, this country’s gonna be one funky,funky place.”
She’s always been this racist against Whites – her “teacher” and ,mentor is none other than the truly racist,Black “comedian”,Paul Mooney, leftover ’60s/’70s has been/never was,who’s stand up act is nothing but 2 hours of deliberately suffocating,insufferable race-baiting “jokes” that stomp on Whitey and Blacks that his ilk see as “Uncle Toms”.
So,where’s the White equivalent of Bernhardt/Mooney, who steamrolls Blacks and Jews for 2 hours? That’s right….there aren’t any,because we don’t have the freedom of speech to do so anymore,taken away from us in the ’60s under the PC guise of “fairness” and “tolerance” and “understanding” and other hateful Leftist euphemisms.

OldSchoolW on September 21, 2008 at 11:08 pm

I don’t think she’s funny at all.

Mike Litoris on September 22, 2008 at 1:07 am

[quote]I fear Sarah Palin and John McCain far more than I fear Sandra Bernhard’s commentary on life.
[/quote]
Now we have to “fear” perfectly normal people
but you San-Fag-sisco freaks that publicly
fellate each other in the middle of the street are swell and just OK…
You are accusing Todd Palin of fornicating
with his children(Franken’s SNL), but your Hussein Jug Ears
Osama have promised to kill(abort) the babies
of his daughters if they conceive, nice…
You hippies filth are thoroughly disgusting
and I cant wait to watch your partisans
rioting after losing this election as
you promised…watching you burn your own
neighborhoods and getting shot dead will
be profoundly enjoyable!!!

Ming the Merciless on September 22, 2008 at 2:06 am

Well, well. Here you have the “brave” Democrats AFFRAID to even say “Muslim Extremist”, or ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, let alone confront them IN PUBLIC.
Here Sarah Palin WELCOMES the opportunity to speak out against IRAN and guess what? She “spooked” Hillary into “cancelling” and Sarah Palin then gets “uninvited”. How great?
PATHETIC is all I have to say about that. I am so SICK & TIRED about all of the “pc” bs. How in the World are we, as a Country, to be respected when we “self inflict” ourselves by cowtowing to the whims of those in power.
I have always belived that “a man who stands for NOTHING will fall for ANYTHING”. In this case “A Country that stands for NOTHING will fall for ANYTHING”.
Nuff said.
Nostradamuslives by Jeff Schrembs

Nostradamus on September 22, 2008 at 4:21 am

I hope she’s part of Osama/Obama’s new Brownshirt brigades. That’s the kind of leadership they like.
Seriously, I hope the Obama campaign sends a squadron of followers to my homestead. It’s been frickin’ boring around here: crops are finished and stored, 6 months since the gangs fled, feral dogs aren’t worthwhile, mountain lions are wusses, and I’m spoilin’ for a rumble!

bhparkman on September 22, 2008 at 8:39 am

Debbie, don’t fall for mythology… Genesis never says anything about an “apple.” And the “Serpent” is from the Hebrew for “Shining Creature” as Lucifer was the most beautiful creation of G-d (who continues to deceive with false beauty and false light).
Irony… as I type this “You Have Chosen Us” is playing on my Media Player. I don’t find “Goyim” offensive (unless said in a manner to imply offense) and Israel is not to be counted among the Goyim (Is 40:17; The Goyim shall be gathered one day in the valley of Jehoshaphat to be judged for their treatment of “the least of [His] Brethren,” the Jewish people (Joel 3:2; Mt 25:32).

bleechers on September 22, 2008 at 10:32 am

When are you guys going to stop falling for all the hocus pocus? Did the Bible know the Earth was round? Or that it revolves around the Sun? Did it predict the discovery of the New World? It’s almost as if the people who wrote it didn’t know about these things. That’s why the Catholic church has to continually update it’s doctrine. The Jews are just self-fulfilling the idea that they have to wander around and be separate from all the other White people.

Mike Litoris on September 22, 2008 at 12:31 pm

As a matter of fact, the Bible teaches that the world is round. The Bible is not a scientific book, but when it speaks of scientific issues, it is always correct and ahead of the rest of mankind.
“It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers…” Is 40:22
As for “predicting” anything, it contains hundreds (even thousands) of predictions, but you’ve already concluded that you are wiser than the Bible so no amount of evidence could convince you.
The Catholic Church constantly changes its “unchanging” doctrines precisely because it doesn’t believe the Bible (just like you). She teaches that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are allegory; she accepts evolution as fact; she teaches that the Bible contains “scientific” and “historical” error. She doesn’t take a literal view of scripture at all. Your statements reveal a great dearth in understanding of theological and biblical issues. Perhaps it is you who needs to stop falling for everything he’s told.

bleechers on September 22, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Mr. Litoris
You seem to be unaware that the Bible says plenty about the nature of this world. It does not call it a flat earth–. It tells us that the earth is the unique place of his creation where he has placed mankind, made in his own image–though fallen through sin.
ISA 41:21b-22 …
Have you not understood since the earth was founded? He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Job 26:7He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and HANGETH THE EARTH UPON NOTHING.
This is just a sampler on this topic. Don’t take what the Catholic church once taught as dogma as accurate to what the scriptures actually say.
For a secular (not from the Bible) take on the creation topic that totally debunks atheistic evolution as the absolute nonsensical invention that it is–I’d recommend the recent movie by Ben Stein
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
The Bible has stood for centuries versus all manner of attack by those who would seek to negate its teachings. Debbie will not turn this site in to a religious debate forum–but if you really have questions on the issues you’ve raised here–send her your email address for forwarding to me. I’d be happy to dialogue with you on this topic.

BB on September 22, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Besides being FUGLY – Sandra Bernhard is as funny as listening to a Joe Biden speech, or a case of shingles.

Ripper on September 22, 2008 at 2:15 pm

The Earth isn’t a circle, it’s a sphere. And evolution can be proved in one generation. If you believe DNA exists, and that mutations account for new traits, then it’s impossible for evolution NOT to exist. The other things you’re talking about are not proof of anything. You’re getting what you want out of it. “stretches the North”? What does that mean? And what are “the heavens”? Other galaxies? It doesn’t say that. It makes a bunch of vague allusions.

Mike Litoris on September 22, 2008 at 2:25 pm

SB’s going to need us when the collapse comes. No more “getting along”, ha. I’ll be so glad when it finally gets here, NO MORE LIES.

John Harper on September 22, 2008 at 3:01 pm

No wonder Sandra Bernhard is a lesbian, I do not know any males that would want to hook up with her even after drinking half a bottle of Jack Daniels.
What a disgusting pile of xxxx!!

ScottyDog on September 22, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Mike Litoris, I get it Mike–you are a hard core atheist.
Please excuse me sir, but surely you realize that inorganic material cannot “mutate” into the simplest single cell organism. You do realize that, right? The simplest life form is a thousand times more complex than the most sophisticated computer we can build–if you care to check it out. DNA does not self-manufacture. It cannot be manufactured by man out of inorganic material into life–yet this what atheistic evolutionists such as yourself actually believe and push.
You are the one who takes the greater “leap of faith” to believe that time+chance+matter=life.
Please do yourself a favor and check the Ben Stein movie “Expelled–Intelligence Not Allowed.”

BB on September 22, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Mike,
Theological issues aside, HYSTERICAL USER NAME!!!

spiffo on September 22, 2008 at 5:34 pm

Obviously, life generates spontaneously on any Earth-like planet. It’s inevitable, the way the Asian flu is inevitable every few years, after trillions and trillions of unsuccessful mutations. What are the odds that guanine, adenine, and that other stuff will NEVER accidentally form a life-thingey in the ocean after billions of years?

John Harper on September 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Bernhard doesn’t represent me. what was it David Letterman said about her? Oh, yes, “LOOPY.”
I’m a Chabadnik, and we like Ms. Palin. Just see what Rabbi Greenberg of Chabad Alaska had to say about her….
“Based on my personal acquaintance with Governor Palin, I can confidently say that if she is elected, the Jewish people and the State of Israel will have a great friend and admirer in the White House,” Rabbi Yosef Greenberg told Haaretz. ”
He also said…
“Had she been a Chabadnik she would have certainly been an envoy, because she is constantly working for the greater good.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1018326.html
PALIN HAS MY GOT MY VOTE!!!

yonason on September 22, 2008 at 8:14 pm

“Secular Jews are paranoid about Christians. The truth is the Jews’ most dangerous enemy today is Islam.” — NormanF
Don’t forget the political Left which supports radical Islam, otherwise, yeah, you’re right. And they aren’t just the enemy of Jews, but of all civilized people everywhere.

yonason on September 22, 2008 at 8:18 pm

“If you believe DNA exists, and that mutations account for new traits, then it’s impossible for evolution NOT to exist.” — Mike …whatever…
Ah, yes, “if you BELIEVE” Well, it hasn’t been proven that RANDOM mutations account for new traits, at all, ever. It is only postulated. It has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED, and statistics says it should be impossible. That’s two pretty powerful negatives. And you have what, again? Oh, yes, you “BELIEVE.”
Lack of data is NEVER an obstacle to the true beleiver. However, that is NOT necessarily a problem.
With religion, which isn’t based on observation, it’s not a problem if one’s belief contradicts an observation. But, if a scientist makes a claim, and the data isn’t there to support it, there is an internal contradiction because data is the foundation of his method. I.e., you have to be consistent. …though I doubt you will get the distinction.
AHAH! (he thinks he’s got me) – But, alas for him, he doesn’t, because… I am not advocating teaching ID in schools. What I am advocating is teaching what we know, and not lying to students by telling them something is proven when it isn’t.

yonason on September 22, 2008 at 8:43 pm

Bleechers, …
…the term “Goyim” simply means “nations.” There are even places in the Torah where Jews are refered to as a “Goy Kadosh” or “seperate (or “holy”) nation.” The term has picked up negative connotations, given the way many of the nations have treated us at times, but it’s true meaning isn’t pejoritive. The “holy” part comes in because of our special contract with our mutual Creator which we received at Saini. We volunteered to take on the job of being the “point man” in fixing the damage done by Adam, and to do that we need to stay on task, which is why we need to follow all the rules G-d gave for the job, one of which is not intermarrying.
Look at it as a bunch of companies bidding on a contract. We Jews put in the winning bid, because no one else made an offer, so don’t blame us. Whoever got the job would have been “the Jews.” Everyone else has a role, obviously, or they wouldn’t be here. Adam busted the whole thing in a spiritual way which resulted in physical damage, and it can only properly be fixed when both are worked on together. The Jew works on the spiritual by following Torah, and the non-Jew works on the physical. The spiritual has to be fixed by the Jew, because that’s part of the Siani contract. It doesn’t mean a Jew is better or worse than anyone else, it’s just that we have a different job. And, with so much to do, we can’t do it all. So, Goyim get to perfect the physical world. And when we are both done with our respective jobs, the spiritual and physical can be reunited as it was at creation, before Adam mucked it up (Rosh Hashana is Monday night, Sept. 29th, this year, btw) . And we all, Jews and Gentiles, have a share in the finished product.
But we can’t mix in because it would slow the work down, and if enough Jews stop what they are doing, that could have serious consequences. After all, that’s kind of what Adam did, isn’t it? He had a job, and he didn’t follow the SOP. We see where that got us. So, we have to avoid mixing in the way Torah forbids mixing, and maximize mixing in whatever ways are permitted.
I hope tha makes some sense to you?
Shana Tova! (Happy New Year!)

yonason on September 22, 2008 at 9:20 pm

PS – The commandmants G-d gave non-Jews (Jew have to keep them as well) are the 7-Noahide commandmants, and they are mostly restrictions that help society stay functional, and help us maintain our moral compass, without which we can’t do the important work we have to do.
If you have any specific questions, one great site to ask them is
http://www.askmoses.com/en/
Again, Happy New Year!

yonason on September 22, 2008 at 9:26 pm

“Obviously, life generates spontaneously on any Earth-like planet.” –John Harper
Hey John–a more stupid/false thing has never been said–did you learn that in school. Show us one example of this what you say “Obviously” happens.
Inorganic material “generating spontaneously?” becoming alive?–no John, living things die–dead things, inorganic elements do not become alive by themselves. It never has happened, it does not happen and never will happen.
A living thing mutating–this happens–but does not create new species–it never has and never will. Oh yes, I forget you saw the slide show of the monkey turning to a man–yes this happens everday (perhaps in the reverse). Ever count the number of genes in an ape vs. a man?
That is what is so amazing about the atheistic evolution jammed down kids throats in the public education system. Page one of Biology 101 teaches about how many years ago, “the ancients believed in spontaneous generation–we know today how this does not happen.” Then on page 3, these same geniuses tell us that “some time in the billions and billions of years of time and chance–all the elements necessary to become life formed the first cell and…voila…through the millions/billions of years of random chance evolution/mutations we have the life forms we see in the world today. (yes that makes sense–leave your house alone for a million years and it will turn into a palace all by itself).
So, these geniuses teach that spontaneous generation did occur! and thus through mutation it lead to what we have now. That takes some serious faith, bro.
Scientists have tried endlessly to put the raw elements into a bottle and and zapped it with electricity and radiation and so forth–guess what you get–radiated inorganic material. You atheists are the real geniuses!

BB on September 22, 2008 at 10:11 pm

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