May 2, 2012, - 7:03 pm

Junior Seau Committed the Most Selfish Act of All

By Debbie Schlussel

The big story in sports news today is former NFL player Junior Seau’s suicide by gunshot.  While no one knows yet–and we may never know–why Seau killed himself, suicide is the most selfish act you can commit against those closest to you and there is no justification for it–unless, for example, you know you are about to be tortured to death, a position in which Seau certainly was not or unless he was completely out of possession of his faculties, of which there is zero evidence.  He left his aging mother in a world of hurt from which she’ll never recover and several kids who are now fatherless and forever traumatized.  His girlfriend walked in on his dead body. It goes without saying that it’s so very tragic and sad. But it’s sadder for those left with the choice he made today.


Junior Seau Committed the Ultimate Act of Selfishness

For those who follow pro football, as I do, Seau was a linebacker.  And a lot of people are speculating that perhaps he committed suicide because of brain injuries from concussions suffered from the many hits he sustained in that position.  He would not be the first.  Former Chicago Bears defensive back Dave Duerson also committed suicide.  But still, that is rare, even for former NFL players.  A very few, however, have lost the ability to care for themselves or think fluidly, due to the injuries.  The rush to blame this on concussions, based on scant evidence, is silly.


I wonder about Seau’s finances.  Many NFL players have profligate spending habits, which don’t change when the gravy train runs out and their NFL careers are over.  Some can’t handle that they are no longer stars on the field.  And maybe one of these could be the reason for his suicide.  Or maybe he had problems with someone in his life.  Who knows what the reason could be?

Regardless, unless he was struck by a mental condition or extreme pain beyond his control, there is no excuse for suicide.  And there is no excuse for the pain to which you expose your family and loved ones.  Sadly, no one will say that because the story broke today and we tend to mourn and fondly remember the dead, despite what they did and any sort of critical thinking about it.  We’ve made suicide far too acceptable in this world.  It’s time to end the glorification.  It needs to be condemned, rather than chic-ified.

I pray for Junior Seau’s mother, who has to live on with the pain of burying her own son in a death that didn’t need to happen, and for his kids who bear a similarly unnecessary burden.  The NFL concussion issue is a crutch and probably an excuse for the real reasons Junior Seau died.

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83 Responses

I agree that the concussion explanation is lame. I would bet on finances plus mental illness (depression)as his reason. There’s also the possibility of brain tumor due to prolonged steroids which is purely speculative, but more likely than “concussions” as a medical condition so dire as to make suicide seem like a more favorable option.

I never liked Seau as a player, but I also do feel sorry for the people he left in his selfish wake.

DS_ROCKS! on May 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm

I don’t regard suicide as a noble thing.

But people who take their own lives have given all the warning signs before. Its usually a cry for help.

I wonder if his girlfriend, friends and family knew.

There’s no excuse for it but until more evidence emerges, I’m loath to speak ill of the dead.

Its a tragedy all around.

NormanF on May 2, 2012 at 7:33 pm

Plus his three children. All teens. They’re at an age when the loss of a parent, particularly one who committed suicide, probably amounts to a life sentence

Louie Louie on May 2, 2012 at 7:52 pm

We don’t know why he killed himself. However, I would not discount brain injuries or depression (obviously). Both the Jewish religion and the Catholic religion are now recognizing that suicide is often the result of clinical depression or some other brain disorder, thus allowing a proper burial.

We do not know, and until more information is released it is hard to speculate. Remember, a chemical inbalance in the brain causing depression is as much a disorder as cancer.

Or maybe the thought of four more years of Obama drove him over the edge.

Jonathan E. Grant on May 2, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    I can swing an axe at your head and cause a chemical Imbalance.
    Don’t blame steroids and other drugs because if they were legal a lot of us could lead better lives. Yes the Stupid druggies who probably OD, but better than killing us. The GOvt has not businees it does more harm than good , Having said that none of us know what he went through, how much was a facade none knew how much was going on when we close the drawbridge , fill the moat close the doors the Monkey on our back is still there.

    Look at all the angst hypo thyroid folks go through and most are not treated properly.

    It wears you down, Life

    Best we keep our mouths shut and let them deal with the pain and loss,

    Old saying nothing nice to say , stfu

    Bloodyspartan on May 3, 2012 at 1:13 pm

When this news came out earlier on today, I was stunned and surprised that Junior Seau died, now we all don’t why the man killed himself, and you’re right DS, committing suicide is an selfish act. I’ve also come to learn that if you have some type of drug problem in you’re life, you tend to have suicidal thoughts, or if you have a drug problem and worst of all, a firearm, you’ll have some suicidal thinking and/or homicidal thinking (ie, Jared Lee Loughner). And his death ought to be investigated, because their are some stuff that needs to be learned in Mr. Seau’s death!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on May 2, 2012 at 8:25 pm

Depression can really do a number on someone’s psyche and joie de vivre. I certainly pray for the souls who do commit suicide (as long as if is NOT for trying to get out of a legal jam or heinous crime) because they (in my belief) pay dearly in the after-life. And a mental illness can make the mind think and do things a normal mind would never (as our resident MD Occam’s Tool can tell us!).

That being said, I think you wroteit the column with just the right tone. Well written and well said. All marks hit in the proper measure.

What a sad tragedy to endure for his loved ones.

Skunky on May 2, 2012 at 8:26 pm

Those are very harsh words for a man who has barely cooled off. And they certainly would add insult to injury to any of his family or friends that would read them. This article is almost vicious and certainly “holier than thou”!!… While you may be correct, that doesn’t make it right. Unless you really know what your talking about, i think it would be more appropriate to take a lesser stand on the topic, especially for maybe the first week or so!!

Dave on May 2, 2012 at 8:38 pm

@Dave- you must have conveniently overlooked Debbie’s last paragraph where she says prayers to Junior Seau’s mother about the death of her son. She is not condemning the man Junior but the act he did. She is not being “holier than thou” as you put it, she is saying the loss of Junior Seau to all the people that loved him will be painful for many years to come.

For someone criticizing Debbie as “holier than thou” you sure seem to be antagonistic toward her for saying suicide is a selfish act. I get this from YOUR comment concerning suicide, “While you may be correct, that does not make right.” Your saying that Junior MAY have done the right thing in killing himself? If you are for suicide then it’s your choice but think about what other people would have to deal if you decided to kill yourself.

Mario on May 2, 2012 at 8:58 pm

    Mario….. You’re right. I did overlook the last paragraph. And i will guarantee that his mother or any family and friends that stumble across this article would never get to the last paragraph either! I actually agree with the fact that suicide in general is the ultimate selfish act. But to put a person’s name on it within days of his death is simply Brazen and Cold! And uncalled for as well. It’s very sad that certain people in this world endure such inner pain and misery that they resort to suicide. It’s even sadder that others can condemn them for it within hours of it happening. Very sad indeed as well that you don’t see the point……

    Dave on May 2, 2012 at 10:48 pm

      Seems one of us can not tell the difference between condemning ones actions and condemning the person. Debbie just pointed out that Junior did a selfish act and people that commit suicide are doing a selfish act because how it brings pain to the immediate family. If Debbie had said “junior Seau deserved to die because he was such an SOB or he was a washed up football player and not good anymore, then you have a reason to criticize Debbie for being mean and cruel and anything else that pops your mind. You think that “respecting the dead” is not saying their actions were selfish? Its is not like Debbie is going to the funeral and curse the guy. I think you are being oversensitive. If you are concerned about timetables when one can say about one’s actions after their death, what is that timetable? 2 days? 1 Week? 6 months? 2 years?

      Mario on May 4, 2012 at 1:12 am

He’s not the only NFL player to commit suicide by gunshot to the chest. Gunshot to the chest is actually an uncommon way of suicide, usually it’s some other method or gunshot to the head. I believe he did it for one of the same reasons that the Bears player that committed suicide did it for. To preserve his brain so that when they did the autopsy they could show whether or not there’s a correlation between the high impact sport and CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy).

So you can call him selfish because his family that you know about will never mentally recover from this. I say he did a good thing the wrong way for the family you don’t know about, his fellow players. I just hope something good will come out of such a terrible situation.

Josh on May 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm

Debbie,I respect you tremendously,but I disagree with you on this article.

I understand where you’re coming from when you say,”suicide is the most selfish act you can commit against those closest to you and there is no justification for it.”

But hopelessness and despair can bring you to that point of ending it all.When you keep getting knocked down,week after week and month after month,for months at a time and you pray and you struggle but nothing changes,it’s really hard not to just give in.

ebayer on May 2, 2012 at 9:35 pm

Locally, Jeff Murri, general manager of Detroit TV Station Fox2 committed suicide earlier this year. On the surface he had it all, a prestigious job, a beautiful wife and family. A totally selfish acting behind his children. What bothers me is that the media will not investigate their own but others that they deem “newsworthy” they will pursue and publish the slightest rumor or innuendo.

DS, what have you heard about Murri?

M: Funny you should mention Jeff Murri. Great minds think alike b/c the night the story broke, I called a FOX 2 News insider and said, “He killed himself, didn’t he?” The friend said, yes, that he did. And I told my friend how pissed I was b/c when it’s a non-news person, they cover it non-stop regardless. And, yet, all the Detroit news outlets deliberately whitewashed the suicide story and praised the guy after his “sudden, unexpected death,” as if he was killed in a car accident or something. I even called the county sheriff’s office to try to FOIA the police report. But when I did, a local newspaper did mention, in passing, that he committed suicide, and so I didn’t write about it as I’d planned. But I had several conversations with friends and FOX 2 News personalities I know about this disgusting double standard. We still don’t know why Murri killed himself, but he was dishonest and sleazy with me in personal business dealings I had with him, and I assume he was this way with some other parties and got into big trouble with something he was about to face. DS

Mitch on May 2, 2012 at 9:50 pm

    I think that somewhat changes Debbie’s mind about Hunior Seau’s circumstances – he was in a difficult situation and I think that’s understandable. On the other hand, Jeff Murri, had it all and he took his own life. Now THAT is a person for whom I have zero sympathy. That is lack of consideration for your own family and friends. The context of a suicide needs to be taken into account and I think we can guess whether it was due to genuine personal trauma or they were just bored with life. There is a difference that I think influences how people see what the deceased did.

    NormanF on May 3, 2012 at 12:22 pm

A permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Hollywood on May 2, 2012 at 9:57 pm

“Not only is suicide a sin, it is the sin. It is the ultimate and absolute evil, the refusal to take an interest in existence; the refusal to take the oath of loyalty to life. The man who kills a man, kills a man. The man who kills himself, kills all men; as far as he is concerned he wipes out the world. His act is worse (symbolically considered) than any rape or dynamite outrage. For it destroys all buildings: it insults all women. The thief is satisfied with diamonds; but the suicide is not: that is his crime. He cannot be bribed, even by the blazing stones of the Celestial City. The thief compliments the things he steals, if not the owner of them. But the suicide insults everything on earth by not stealing it. He defiles every flower by refusing to live for its sake. There is not a tiny creature in the cosmos at whom his death is
not a sneer. When a man hangs himself on a tree, the leaves might fall off in anger and the birds fly away in fury: for each has received a personal affront.” G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy.

That’s not to say I am unsympathetic, I know what it’s like to long for the grave.

sg on May 2, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    You know something .This angers me . Unless you have been there or had someone you deeply loved take their lives what makes you an expert ? I am royally pissed off . A child hood friend took her life .She was only 15! Her funeral .My God .. Later,the parents lost their son to cancer-last year! They lost 3 – total – children and were in such grief they moved to be with the last living one.I knew it would happen.
    Having ”been there” myself and looking at what is going on on this thread . I just had to speak . People saying ‘its is a sin , an unforgivable sin ‘.Ok who told you that ?God Himself ! Man Christians I could scream !
    Debbie because someone did business with you badly , are you going to live in anger ?? It hurts you not him. No one is glorifying his death ! There are countless people who die at their own hands every day . PSTD from war, from being bullied like Nancy DisGrace did to a women whose son was missing .Many things. I have a long scar on my left arm when I tied in 1988 wanna bomb me for it -please do it !It is an absolute miracle I can use my and today .Why did I do it ?Oh you inquiring minds wanna know? I had a family that did not care I was getting beaten up day after day was homeless and ended up at the hands of the perpetrator who gang raped and beat me !One of the most sickening films some guy put out was about the Golden Gate . It showed peoples friends jumping! Man what a sick idea that loved ones saw and they had trouble recovering from.Be careful when you do not walk in someone else’s shoes! It is ok..NO. It’s tragic. It always is and will also remain tragic .Being KIND and forgiving will get you places in this world .The wisdom to stay away from people that wanna attack and bring you down is priceless and so is the fact I have had to literary say no to calls form my mother who insists , even going on the age of 74 ,being a family trouble maker . Blessings to all who have this happen to someone they have loved. Not pretty but it remains a scar to them

    pam on May 3, 2012 at 10:22 am

      Pam, what is wrong with you? You come off as an overly-emotional screaming mimi. That sh** ain’t gonna work here.

      The topic is delicate and if you could read between the lines in the very nuanced posts you would SEE that many people are conflicted on this delicate topic and used less words (and crazed emotions) to express that they agree with DS’ OPINION while being greatly sympathetic to the “perhaps” demons in Seau’s mind.

      We have no idea WHAT will happen if someone commits suicide but in America we have the RIGHT to express what we individually believe. If you don’t like my belief it does NOT diminish my belief at all because I don’t know you or care about you. Vice versa as well.

      You’re far behind. Use some of that emotional energy to have a clue what MOOOOOOOSLIMS are doing to other humans in lieu of being so agro about Christians.

      You need this site. You’re far behind, puerile and silly.

      Skunky on May 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm

I disagree. With certain exceptions (I’ll get to that)a person committing suicide is not being selfish; they are so deep in their depression and anxiety that they do not regard their act as causing pain. They regard their being alive as more painful. In their mind death is the end to pain; not just the pain they are feeling, but the pain they are causing. Is that sound thinking? No. But the suicidal person is lost, lost, lost. It is not being egocentric. It is hating yourself so much that you cannot imagine that someone could hate you less . . . or not hate you at all. Or even love you.

Everyone to some extent at some time “hates” themselves; how they look, what they did, what they said. But the self-hatred of the suicidal person is way beyond the superficial: this is KNOWING that if you can just stop breathing this . . . disease . . . that you are will no longer be a bother to anyone.

I became a teenager in the late 60s and knew way too many young people who killed themselves. A lot of it was fueled by drugs, either the drugs spurring the suicide or amplifying the depression that was going untreated. So I don’t discount either steroids or concussions playing into Seau’s death. You cannot mess with the brain those ways and not have consequences.

Some suicides are impulse (“I’ll show them”) matters, mostly hormones run amuck. I knew a teenage boy who hanged himself the day his girlfriend broke up with him. That could be considered selfish . . . although as a group, aside from babies, the most selfish people on the face of the Earth are teenagers.

I knew a beautiful high school girl in the very early 70s who killed herself. Years later the story was that she was pregnant. I would consider that situational desperation. It probably wouldn’t be an issue these days, but back then, it was.

I knew another girl from 1st grade through 12th. I never heard her say one word in those 12 years. Within a year of graduating high school, she’d gotten married and a few months later, went out into the woods and shot herself to death. Maybe there was an event. Maybe she was clinically depressed and never diagnosed. Maybe she just wished she was never alive.

Writing that suicides are selfish is a reaction coming from the shallow end of the emotional pool. Most suicidal people are drowning in far deeper water than that.

gmartinz on May 2, 2012 at 11:00 pm

Debbie you are one sick piece of work.

Sanity on May 3, 2012 at 12:03 am

    No, you’re the one who’s a sick piece of work you troll. Go troll somewhere else with you’re own stupidity and get lost.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on May 3, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Agreed. Suicide *is* “the Most Selfish Act of All” unless, arguably, the perpetrator was a terminal invalid who required constant medical attention which his family could no longer afford. Seau was not that person. Instead, Seau was the ‘hero’ who texted “I love you” to his children and killed himself the very next day. Horrible.

latopia on May 3, 2012 at 12:06 am

My little sister commited suicide when she was only 19 after struggling for years with anorexia/bulimia. Yet in her case I believe, as I was the one closest to her, that it was an act of profound despair more than an act of selfishness, because she did not know how to cope with everyday life anymore and had damaged her own body greatly, she already had diabetes, kidney problems, heart problems, etc. She had just got out of a recovery center and was returning home to the very daily grind that made her problems so much worse. I think she repented at last second because we found her with her hands trying to untie the rope whe hanged on, but it was too late for her. I am sure God forgave her and she is now in heaven. Her psychiatrist explained me that her mind too was already very damaged and she might have been already beyond total recovery.

Maybe being so judgmental is why Debbie is a great attorney, and maybe too the guy was not like my sister but a narcissist. But in this case I prefer to pass the judgement and just be sorry for his family. There are people in this world who pass leaving a trail of destruction and that appears to be the case as with so many former sports stars.

I try to be one who leaves a trail of good things for my people and others and that I have in common with DS and why I link her writing altough ocassionally I think she goes overboard with her zeal. At least she puts her zeal to very good use to make this world a better place as she sees it.

Luis on May 3, 2012 at 12:08 am

    Being judgemental does not make you a great attorney, being good does thinking more effeciently does.

    Suicidal people are torn we hurt, the pain has to stop and some of us rush to end it to make it go away.

    I cannot tell you what pain they suffered, but trust me they suffered as some of you know.

    Sometimes it is just meant to be , I hope GOD is his ultimate goodness understands they are not themselves and not thinking logically. Not thinking of his purpose.

    We should never give up unless we are terminal and even then I have learned maybe not even then.

    But I will not judge anothers pain.

    If he treats me like shit I will kick his ass now of course.

    Bloodyspartan on May 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm

Suicide is an irrational act of a diseased mind. It can be a cowardly act of a selfish person the father who kills himself when exposed as a child molester. In the case of Junior, brain injuries and clinical depression could have caused his suicide. It is an irritional act, but it is not cowardly or selfish. At this time without any facts, I think Debbie jumped to an unsupported conclusion.

Jimbo on May 3, 2012 at 1:02 am

Severe depression CRIPPLES JUDGEMENT COMPLETELY! Regardless
of the cause, the afflicted person’s thoughts become so dark
and irrationally hopeless, he will believe both he and his
family will be better off if he is dead. The fatality rate
for this level of depression is frightfully high.

Nicole on May 3, 2012 at 1:29 am

Debbie- Have you heard of Chronic Traumatic Encepholopathy? It’s a degenerative brain disease caused by the deposition of tau proteins that has been showing up in many athletes in impact sports. First of all, CTE isn’t necessarily caused by concussions, but it can also be repeated pre-concussive brain trauma. And it’s not based upon “scant evidence”, as you assert, yet provide absolutely zero support for your assertion. Why don’t you take a look at the work Chris Nowinski is doing to raise awareness of this, or the research on CTE at Boston University before talking about things that you have no clue about.

Baseball players and other athletes go through the same thing that NFL players go through as far as finances, losing their celebrity status, yet we haven’t seen the suicide issue in other sports. NFL players, on the other hand, commit suicide at a rate of 6 times the national average.

If you really did follow football, you’d be quite aware that head injuries have become a major issue, especially with the evidence brought to light on CTE.

Shooting yourself in the chest is an unusual way to commit suicide. Dave Duerson did it because he wanted his brain donated to the brain bank for further study at BU- I’m guessing that it will come out that Seau did the same. And you said that there was zero evidence that Seau was out of his faculties? I guess you didn’t hear about what happened when he assaulted his girlfriend in 2010, and upon being released from custody, drove his Escalade over a 100 foot cliff in Carlsbad at about 60 mph.

Recently, a 21 year old lineman from Penn hung himself. He was found to have CTE, and is the youngest one found to have the disease so far.

Go do some reading, Debbie.

cjs on May 3, 2012 at 1:46 am

I don’t agree that suicide is necessarily a selfish act – as others have mentioned above, it’s more often than not a case of desperation of the person who does it.

A person who concludes that s/he is ill-equipped to take care of himself/herself could credibly make the case that s/he is even less capable of taking care of others.

I don’t know if Seau was the same type of player who had serial sexcapades on every tour, or had the worst money management skills, which again is all too common. But while such circumstances would have made him a worse person, that doesn’t alter the fact that he would have been desperate about something. In which case, he just picked a different way to deal w/ a pretty common problem.

Infidel on May 3, 2012 at 2:26 am

Life, ALL life, is holy IMHO. Even that of my enemy. And yes, I realize that there are times when “practicalities” (e.g. a severely handicapped fetus, pregnancy as the result of rape/incest, Pancreatic Cancer) indicate that the life in question is better off being ended. But those are the exceptions to the rule.

Having said that, and though I can empathize in most cases of suicide I do believe it’s ultimately a very selfish act.

One last thing, the absolutely WORST thing for any parent is to have to bury their child. Therefore I join DS in her prayer for the mother.

Hans on May 3, 2012 at 3:10 am

Hans, I disagree! If all life, including that of our enemies, are sacred, then every time we pop off some jihadi, be it from Hamas, Hizbullah, Lashkar e Toiba, Taliban, al Shadaab, et al, we are commiting a sin.

Evil life deserves to be destroyed.

Of course, in this case, there is nothing to suggest that Junior Seau was evil, but I tend to see his decision to end his life as tragic, rather than selfish or even cowardly.

Infidel on May 3, 2012 at 4:20 am

Rape is no excuse to murder the second innocent victim. Who knows how many great people are actually the offspring of rape and how many despicable ones, the result of consensual sex.

FTR, incest is virtually always rape but that doesn’t mean the result will be a genetic disaster.

Infidel, all life is sacred and God grieves when one of His children goes astray and warrants being killed by another in SELF DEFENSE. He permits it from the justice part of His being but mourns it from the compassionate side.

Italkit on May 3, 2012 at 5:01 am

Thank you Debbie for your clear thinking on this matter. A permanent solution to a temporary problem is no solution at all. I had a close friend who killed himself about 25 years ago, leaving small children behind, it totally messed up their lives. We must face our problems & sometimes endure when we have others depending on us. So sad.

A_Zion_State_0'mind on May 3, 2012 at 7:48 am

He is a coward and should be remembered for his cowardice.

Bill Ford on May 3, 2012 at 9:40 am

    As are you, Bill.

    Why don’t you join Debbie, do a little reading, and inform yourself rather than making random, uninformed judgments.

    john on May 3, 2012 at 11:08 am

None of us has the right to judge Seau for commiting suicide. We don’t know why he did it, what his life was like or if he had CTE. In the Court of Law, especially in previous discussions of Zimmerman shooting Martin, we have to be open-minded and its innocent until proven guilty. This is no different.

Lee on May 3, 2012 at 10:13 am

I totally agree with you Debbie, I appreciate your website and your insight. You stated, “suicide is the most selfish act you can commit against those closest to you and there is no justification for it–unless, for example, you know you are about to be tortured to death,”. I agree!
I found my sister after she put a gun in her mouth and killed herself. My son has tried to kill himself with 3 bottles of pills, I walked in on him. He did not succeed.
My sister was a paranoid schizophrenic, she is finally at peace. My son has multiple sclerosis which started at the age of 13. I hate suicide!

TinaW on May 3, 2012 at 10:30 am

I saw his mother on the news this morning weeping in anguish. It broke my heart. That will stay with me for a long time.

John on May 3, 2012 at 11:08 am

Harsh, but Debbie as usual you are one of the few, if any, speaking truth.

Just goes to show how people put on this shiny, happy face but only God knows what is in their hearts.

Seau had a history as he drove his car off a cliff a while back after a domestic dispute with his wife. Of course everyone is gushing over what a super duper guy he was.

Mark it down, the truth will come trickling out soon. I’m thinking he had some anger issues. Of course everyone will take the lazy way out blaming it on football. But, I have a feeling he wasn’t the saint he is being portrayed as. Not saying he was a bad guy, but he seemed to be a kook when he was playing football.

Jeff_W on May 3, 2012 at 11:31 am

    How was he a kook when he was playing football?

    His dispute and driving a car off of a cliff might be a sign of erratic behavior. The fact that he shot himself in the chest may be an indication that he wanted his brain to be used for reearch- 12 living athletes have already committed to do so as well.

    It may be that he had anger issues, but aside from his domestic with his girlfriend, he didn’t have a history, at least a public one, as far as I know.

    I can’t believe the ignorance about CTE, depression, and suicide on this blog. Of course, the ignorant are often the first to pass judgment.

    john on May 3, 2012 at 12:23 pm

Debbie has guts to write an article like this that brings out the ugly part of suicide that usually goes unspoken, it’s selfish to the highest degree. I could not agree more with her on this article.

Sure, there are difficult circumstances in people’s lives that have to be dealt with. When is suicide an acceptable answer? As she mentioned, in cases of an extreme mental condition or being in extreme pain that cannot be handled, this is NOT an answer. The message being left behind to the family is that being with you and knowing you has been worth nothing to me, or at least it is not worth living for. The family can’t help but think they are at least part of the reason for their loved ones selfish decision.

The more we “sympathize” with and glorify those who have committed suicide, the more we make it acceptable in our society and the more it will happen. We need to JUST SAY NO!! We already sympathize with and glorify homosexuality, abortion, sexual perversions, Islam, and other poisons in our world today. Because of our sympathetic reactions and our attempts at normalizing these things, the more we have them permeate our society. STOP IT!

PDMac60 on May 3, 2012 at 11:49 am

    Debbie didn’t have the guts to write this. She didn’t look at any facts, and apparently knows nothing about depression or traumatic brain injuries. She got on a keyboard and made and typed out extremely specious and obtuse observations. She says there is “scant evidence” to blame this on concussions, which is wrong, because there is plenty of evidence otherwise.

    People who haven’t gone through severe depression, or gone through suicidal ideations don’t have anywhere near a clue what goes on. It’s not just about a bad day or two. It’s hardly a selfish act; it’s a final act of last resort and of desperation. And it’s different for everyone. Not everyone who is depressed has thoughts of suicide. It’s not something that’s deliberate;y done to harm others. It happens to people that are tormented and in pain. People on this board that think it’s a decision made with a clear mind, like a simple cost and benefit analysis, are foolish and uninformed.

    john on May 3, 2012 at 12:36 pm

People do many things emotionally without deep thought about facts or consequences. Suicide is one of those. There are probably many who have contemplated suicide as an easy way out of their pain and trouble, but decided otherwise. If they think about the effects on those around them, they will realize that it is a selfish act. Unless you find a suicide note that explains that they considered all of the consequences of their act, who knows what was going on in their head.

Visteo on May 3, 2012 at 12:04 pm

I’ve been reading more on this and have to say I definitely agree with Debbie.

Depression, CTE, blah blah blah. EVERYONE!!!!!! wants to excuse a celeb and athlete for any and everything. For everyone else? It’s called LIFE!!!!!

Yep, LIFE! He wanted to be depressed, let him be Junior Regular Guy living on a regular paycheck. Not getting worshipped everywhere you go.

Everybody is such a baby these days. Man up! We ALL have problems. Seau lived in a palace by the ocean, worshipped every single place he went. Oh, wow, so I am supposed to feel more sorry for him than some guy who has the guts to hang in there every day, raising his family and working to provide for them?

Forget that. It’s a huge tragedy. But, quit excusing people who choose to be selfish and give all the hero worship to the people who have the guts to live for their family and God if nothing else.

Jeff_W on May 3, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Jeff- money and depression are mutually exclusive. The size of your wallet doesn’t preclude you from suffering from depression, suicidal ideations, cancer or anything else.

    You shouldn’t feel anymore sorry for him than anyone else who has gone through the same thing. You clearly don’t have a clue about depression, mental issues, suicide, or CTE. , and it appears that you choose not to have one.

    Go read about the stuff and educate yourself, Jeff. Or just choose to ignore it so you can rationalize your assertions and ignore the facts, and make judgments with zero basis.

    john on May 3, 2012 at 1:02 pm

I used to think that suicide was a selfish act until a dear friend of mine took her life. I won’t go into the details, but she had been so sad and so depressed for so long. After her death, I did a lot of thinking about what she was going through. For those battling depression for most of their lives, trying medication after medication to no avail, deep depression is like having the world’s worst migraine headache. All you want is for the pain to stop. Depression sufferers are in so much pain, all they can think about is ending that pain. They aren’t thinking about family, friends, job at that moment – just like migraine sufferers don’t when they are in the middle of the worst attack they have ever had. They just want the pain to stop and ending their lives is the only way they can. I truly believe God understands that situation and will not condemn those who were truly suffering.

Janne on May 3, 2012 at 12:46 pm

Meet Kayleigh Claypool, a *real* hero, who fought for every breath life would give her, until she had no more [ http://bit.ly/JWoHqM ].

Meet other *real* heroes, heroes who are blinded, crippled, bruised, amputated, nauseated, debilitated, *depressed*, shattered, saddened, accursed & assaulted by their diseases who *refuse* to give up [ http://bit.ly/II7e5l ].

Seau reportedly helped children like these and on Wednesday — Seau turned his back on every kid he ever helped, including his own.

latopia on May 3, 2012 at 1:18 pm

I highly doubt he shot himself in the chest so that “his brain would be available for research” – whoever said that, thanks for actually making me LOL.

DS_ROCKS! on May 3, 2012 at 1:32 pm

    Dave Duerson, former Chicago Bear, did that very thing when he killed himself by shooting himself in the chest. The final words on his note to his family were:

    “Please, see that my brain is given to the N.F.L.’s brain bank.”

    When his brain was studied. it was found that he had CTE.

    Thanks for making me LOL.

    john on May 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm

That is bull$%&t jeff. It DID take courage to write the truth about this tragedy. The “tragedy” being what his family is going through and from which they will never recover.

Lil’ Jeffie wants to give excuses and reasons for irrational, selfish behavior at every turn. That’s sweet and all, but it does no one any good to sympathize and empathize with that behavior and give it credence as a somewhat acceptable solution to a problem. Because it is NOT! There is NOTHING good to come of it. Do you think his parents and kids “understand” what he did and don’t blame themselves?

Once again, the more we try to sympathize and empathize with behavior that is either immoral or totally unacceptable, the more it is going to be embraced and the more it is going to happen. If society condemns such actions, the frequency of such actions will decrease. That’s not going to happen because we are too pussified to condemn any action anymore.

Janne, I totally disagree with your clueless assessment of God by saying “I believe God understands that situation and will not condemn those who are truly suffering.” Personally, I don’t think God is an whimpering old bearded grandfather that sits up on a cloud with a tear in his eye for his kids. There is nothing I found in Scripture about suicide except that it maybe falls in the category of “murder,” which He DOES condemn. If He “understands” all sin as being things that people do when they “suffer,” then what CAN’T be excused from judgment??

PDMac60 on May 3, 2012 at 1:51 pm

Meet Kayleigh Claypool, a *real* hero, who fought for every breath life would give her, until she had no more [ bit.ly/JWoHqM ].

Meet other *real* heroes, heroes who are blinded, crippled, bruised, amputated, nauseated, debilitated, ***depressed***, shattered, saddened, accursed & assaulted by their diseases yet *refuse* to give up [ bit.ly/II7e5l ].

Seau reportedly helped kids like these but on Wednesday — turned his back on every child he ever helped, including his own.

latopia on May 3, 2012 at 1:59 pm

“PDMac60, am I “Lil’ Jeffie”? If so, sounds like you need some reading comprehension skills. You are supposedly blasting me for agreeing with your position, unless there is another Jeff you are referring to.

“john”, quit being an enabler. EVERYONE!!!!! has problems. You don’t know about Seau’s life if you compare him to anyone else. Someone with his resources and worship could have very, very easily gotten help. You whining about depression and such is silly compared to Joe Regular.

I hate to see anyone kill themselves. But, goodness, you guys are acting like this was some heroic act. I’ll save me empathy for true heroes.

Jeff_W on May 3, 2012 at 2:17 pm

Jeff_W, “Jeff”s comments, about whom I was speaking, disappeared.. I was NOT referring to your comments with which I totally agree. Sorry about the confusion..

PDMac60 on May 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm

Y’all are making me depressed.

BilboBaggins on May 3, 2012 at 2:23 pm

“Jeff’s comments did NOT disappear. (Maybe I DO have a reading comprehension problem.) I was referring to “John.” Sheeesh. My apologies again Jeff_W.

PDMac60 on May 3, 2012 at 2:24 pm

I disagree. Suicide is not selfish or cowardly. Try putting a gun to your head and see what you think. All you can think of at that time is your pain and worthlessness, not the people you leave behind. A coward would never think of pulling the trigger. I don’t care what the psychiatrists tell you.

Linda Collins on May 3, 2012 at 3:51 pm

Even though any of us are twice as likely to become a victim of suicide or know a victim of suicide as opposed to homicide, suicide is something we don’t discuss very much in the USA. It only makes headlines when someone of note (like a former NFL player) commits the act. Every 15 minutes someone dies by suicide (more than twice the rate as homicide). Annually suicide leads to @35,000 deaths, @200,000 hospitalizations, @320,000 emergency room visits. Maybe there was not a “good” reason for Seau’s final choice. However, that he made the choice at all puts the worthy topic of suicide in our conscience and hopefully leads to earnest discussion and discovery. Suicide is a problem.

Gary Bynum on May 3, 2012 at 4:04 pm

Infidel, you state that Evil life deserves to be destroyed and I don’t disagree… That doesn’t mean that all life isn’t holy… I’m not against the DP and I’m certainly not a pacifist…

Nevertheless, I believe that when you stop seeing your enemy as a human being (albeit an enemy) you lose something of yourself… I guess you haven’t seen real combat (I have)…

Hans on May 3, 2012 at 4:17 pm

No problem, PDMac60!

Jeff_W on May 3, 2012 at 4:22 pm

Italkit, you say that rape is no excuse to murder the second innocent victim… I do realize that a great person could become the offspring of rape but my guess is that such an eventuality would be quite rare… The circumstances of the conception would not be conductive to a normal caring nurturing childhood… And that’s pretty much a prerequisite for a great person…

Also, such a child would be a constant reminder to the mother of the rape… My priority would be the first victim… Mainly because it’s her who would have to pay the price…

Happily enough we live in societies that allow us to agree to disagree…

Hans on May 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm

You Madam are a pompous ass and have no right to pass judgement. The fact is that you, nor any of us know why he made the decision to take his own life. You are an embarrassment and apparently fall somewhere in the arena of “shock-jock” or “infotainer.”

Sean on May 3, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    Sean, have you heard of this term, “Don’t throw stones at glass-houses”? That’s what you did, you attacked the messenger by calling her a “pompous ass” for no reason. Also Sean, did you read the entire article or did you read the headline and made you’re conclusion or did you read only one paragraph and made you’re conclusion?

    In any event at the very end of this message, Debbie said that she prays for Junior Seau’s family, relatives, etc. for losing a son & relative due to committing suicide. As DS says at times, “RIF, Reading is Fundamental”, improve on you’re reading comphrehension skills my friend.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on May 4, 2012 at 12:00 am

We are a society of “victims.” I give credit to Debbie for stating that which many in the sports media are too chicken to say, in our politically correct world. Who are laymen to speculate that Seau’s suicide was directly related to blows to the head anymore than steroid use or drug and alcohol abuse?
More importantly, it comes down to making choices. And one choice Seau did not make was to to get help. The “heroes” in our community rarely make the back pages nor ask for accolades.

Yankee 49 on May 3, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Yankee 49, you obviously don’t follow what has been going on impact sports. It’s possible that his issue was related to steroid or drug or alcohol abuse. You don’t know if he tried to get help- psychological or otherwise.

    Who are laymen to speculate that he didn’t try to get help?

    But the fact that he shot himself in the chest, as another ex-football player did, in order to preserve his brain for study (and expressly said so in his final note), hints that there may have been an issue of brain trauma or CTE, which is a progressively degenerative disease with no known cure. It doesn’t appear that he left a note, so the family will have to decide that whether or not to submit his brain for study.

    Only God can judge him now. Oh, and some of the enlightened people on this blog.

    cjs on May 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm

Hans, ever hear of adoption? Nurture and care do not necessarily result in a “great person.” Go read some history. Some of the greatest people the world has seen were born in terrible conditions and faced adversity you can’t even imagine. But you miss my point which is; we are not the judges of whose life is more valuable and that is left to G-d. Don’t you think it’s ironic and sad that an innocent child can be murdered for the sins of his/her father while that rapist breeder gets a few months in prison and is back out on the streets to do it again?

Italkit on May 4, 2012 at 3:10 am

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