June 8, 2012, - 12:06 pm

CyberPogrom From Poland: Why DebbieSchlussel.com Was Down For the Last 3 Days

By Debbie Schlussel

Dear Readers:

As you have noticed over the last three days, DebbieSchlussel.com has been down most of the time. No, you were not banned (unless you live in Poland). It’s just that my site and I have been under attack in a cyberpogrom by the people of Poland, because the people of that country were upset by my column about Polish complicity in the Holocaust. It’s a stubborn fact they’ve been trying to disprove by sending me thousands of vile, highly anti-Semitic death and rape threats and e-mails, tweets, and Facebook comments, such as “Die Jewish Bitch!” “Zionist Whore,” and my personal favorite, “Mossad Slut.” And with all that, Facebook–without any notice to me–deleted my post from my fan page telling Poles to stop their anti-Semitic attacks on me, perhaps b/c there were over 27,000 anti-Semitic comments from Poles in response. (I did not delete it, as Poles are now accusing me of doing.) I’ve also received thousands of e-mails with sentiments such as, “Only Good Jewish is Dead Jewish,” “Hitler Didn’t Finish Job,” “Jewish deserved to die in pogrom because Jewish is greedy, does everything for money,” and the like. Yes, Poles, this really, really convinces me of your philo-Semitism, which my grandparents faced times 1,000 from your parents and grandparents, etc. I also received a lot of anti-American comments from the Poles, thousands of them accusing America of perpetrating a “Holocaust” against the Indians and many e-mails accusing America of perpetrating the 9/11 attacks. Yup, Poland has its fair share of 9/11 Truthers. The Poles tell me I have ads on my site because I’m a “typical greedy Jew.” Uh-huh, like all the other websites in the world with ads, most of which are not owned by Jews. And finally, I received many anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian e-mails from Poles. I will be posting some of their disgusting comments in the near future. And, apparently, the people of Poland know how to use Photoshop, since I’ve gotten a gazillion amusing photos of me with a Hitler mustache and/or in full SS garb. Come on, Poland, try to be more original in your hate. A taste of what I received is below (and you’ll note that both penis pics were made by Poles. Draw your own conclusions. You stay classy, Poland.

Some of the Many Images Sent to Me From Philo-Semitic Poles . . .



No way they were complicit in the Holocaust, right?


For now, we are back up and are taking steps to make sure that this doesn’t happen again and that Polish neo-Nazis like those who snuffed out much of my family in partnership with the Nazis cannot also continue to snuff out my website. I will be posting my movie reviews soon, G-d-willing. And I thank you for your continued support and readership. By the end of the weekend, we should have this problem and the virtual pogrom licked. The Poles were complicit with the Nazis in silencing Jews during the Holocaust. They will not silence this Jew.

Y’all Come Back Now, Ya Hear!

Debbie

Courtesy of My Polish “Fans” . . .

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699 Responses

I wasn’t an anti semite until dumb schlussel opened her mouth.. Pretty damn substantiated. What a great representation of the pole-hating jews in the us..

Urszula on June 10, 2012 at 8:09 am

    And I wasn’t anti-Polish until you Polish trolls came along, and especially after reading your comment.

    JeffE on June 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm

Many of Debbie’s fans write that these comments prove that Poles are anti-semitic. But look through them… How many of them are really xenophobic? Not so much… Schlussel’s post also shows only these facebook comments, which are anti-semitic… but they’re small part of total. Most of them says about ignorance and insolence of Debbie Schlussel.

ktos on June 10, 2012 at 8:14 am

“Maybe it was good, that she wrote what she wrote, so everybody would know about man named Aaron Schlüssel (grandfather of Debbie Schlussel) was a member of the organization brand – Jewish Guard of Freedom and was shot by the officer of the Polish Jewish underground of the ZOB – Jewish Fighting Organization, which was part of the Polish Underground Army. They just killed the confidant, but for Debbie Schlüssel collaboration of her family with the German’s Nazis is something she can’t admit.”

Proofs or it didn’t happened. I can belive that she is stupid uneducated bitch, that admires Hitler cause she gave us proof of that. But I cant belive in such great plot without proof. Its too smart for her

Samael on June 10, 2012 at 8:19 am

    Everything is in archives, checked by journalists 2 days after Debbi’s lies on this blog.
    Maybe someone will translate it for you, but for now you should know, that her grandfather was working with nazists. Just excacly like she’s talking about Poland now. She’s offending with things which her family REALLY did.

    Proofs on June 10, 2012 at 8:44 am

      I trust those ‘proofs’ even less than I do in Polish decency.

      skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:21 am

    Samael is stupid enough not to know that Debbie has two degrees from excellent schools and is MENSA certified. Who is this subliterate kidding?

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 3:02 am

      @skzion

      If you are deleting all but one my coments but one and trying to discuss it is like kill first and after give the fair trial..

      Anyway Debbie Blog is a beatiful example of Cenzorship

      andrzej on June 11, 2012 at 10:06 am

        Andrzej, what are you talking about? I am not deleting anything. And no, protecting one’s own private web site is NOT like government censorship.

        skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:28 am

Little Al,
if based on 300 entries you’re trying to assess the 40 million people than I don’t have any question to you.
PS. Truth is one, not yours, not mine.

damien on June 10, 2012 at 8:21 am

Damien, these 300 entries constitute a sample of a broader population. Maybe not a statistical sample, but a sample nevertheless. I’m still waiting to see one Polish comment that acknowledges the Polish role in helping to kill Jews, and/or acknowledges the Polish role in hundreds of years of discrimination against Jews.

Little Al on June 10, 2012 at 8:23 am

    Dear Little Al, I would like to say that US is the most dangerous and terrorist country of the World.

    The biggest terrorist attack on WTC in 2001 happened in NYC in America, so it was an AMERICAN terrorist attack! Some Americans must have helped the terrorists – otherwise it would happen somewhere else.

    I’m still waiting to see your comment that acknowledges the American role in helping to attack WTC in 2001.

    Jacek Skalski on June 10, 2012 at 7:24 pm

      Jacek, how lame. WTC was perpetrated against the US, not against a vulnerable minority. Furthermore, the only people who were happy about it and complicit were Muslims. The Poles, by contrast, DID and DO have a history of antisemitism, and this was not limited to WW2.

      skzion on June 11, 2012 at 2:07 am

Its Little Al or Little AI? I don’t know and don’t care. First of all lets face the facts. USA education is lowest from all highly developed countries. So we don’t have to worry about that. People from USA were, are and will be stupid.

“They could never enter Government service or teach in the universities, all Government-controlled.”

Two lies in one sentence! HURROO!

“So when the Germans came three years later, there was mutual agreement. Even though the Poles didn’t like the Germans, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.”

Hahahaha I’m starting to think that this is new alias of Debbie:)
That’s right! Enemy of my Enemy are my friends! Jews lets fight this nazi bitch together! Mutual agreement? Are you stupid or simply from police?

Diffrent from USA? You were scared to enter the war. You had to after Japan attack but till then you were hiding behind ocean. We fight till the end, we hold against Germans AND Russia Longer than many countries against Germans alone. But hey, you are from that great and powerful country that debts were bought by china? Soon you will live in country Made by China:)

Samael on June 10, 2012 at 8:28 am

    I stopped reading Samael’s post after the first paragraph. I admit to being amazed that someone from a shitty little country like Poland should put on airs.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 2:58 am

As a Polish Jew living in Poland for more than 40 years, as son of Polish Jews saved by Poles during WWII, one I can say is: Debbie you’re a Pole-hater and simply a liar! Someone has hurt you teaching you all that lies about Poles, and now you spread this lies around the world. Learn some history of Poland then open your mouth. I am ashamed of those Jews who defame Poles with lack of historical knowledge.

Andrzej Leibman on June 10, 2012 at 8:45 am

    A, I’m ashamed of Jews dumb enough to live in Poland.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:32 am

Thank you Andrzej:)

Samael on June 10, 2012 at 8:49 am

Dear Little Al,
sorry for my English which is not my native. These 300 entries is a sample of society, is only a small portion of people who have heard the lies propagated by Debbie, people who react emotionally. The rest of the Polish nation had never heard of Ms. Schlussel and will never hear about she.
Writing such letters here on FB or Twitter I think is a big mistake. This increases the fame of this lady, who we know is the margin in her country (only seven thousand “Like” on FB among 300 mln Nation).
Polish state should force Ms. Schlussel in front of court. There, she should prove the lie about the murder of 3 million Jews by the Poles.
It makes no sense to recall here how the Americans treated the Africans, Indians, slavery, rapes, murders, violences, and the scale of this behaviours. You can not compare it to behaviour of the Poles in relation to its citizens such as Jews are from 700 years. Among every nation we can find bad people, among Polish as well.
Incidental cases of which you speak has occurred. Their number does not differ much from such incidents in other countries.
The same was true with the Jews, its citizens themselves in the Warsaw ghetto, send people to die by sold them to Germans, it’s true. I can’t do to convince you to change your mind if could not do it an History, a teachers, a books. But trust me, I know story of my family and Nations, not from books nor propaganda.
Best regards
Damien

damien on June 10, 2012 at 9:19 am

I’m from Poland and I have to say that I’ve never really tried to defend my nation in these silly, hating games. I’ve always thought: “Everybody has a right to say whatever he/she thinks”.
I agree, there were Poles who worked at camps, there were Poles who took a part in killing Jews. As much as I, young Pole and a lot of my friends, would like to change that fact, history will remain the same. We can only learn from our ancestors’ mistakes.
But in Junior High I was taught really important thing: there is no such a thing as only good nation or only bad nation. There were Poles who killed Jews but there were also Poles who saved them, often sacrificing their own lives. War is something that drags out from people the most horrible as also the noblest things. Poles were no exception.
I admit – there are Poles that are just silly or full of hate to everybody and they will send to you these images. Maybe it is caused by our complicated history or maybe they are just like that. But the truth is – they are only a minority in whole society.
I don’t really know you and I have a feeling we wouldn’t like each other if we ever met but I understand that you have some kind of grudge after your family was killed here, in Poland. I can only say: I’m sorry for your lose. But does that change anything? I will never see you apologizing me for accusing me being anti-Jew simple from the fact that I’m a Pole, will I?
But I have to congratulate you for being so good at manipulating. I can’t really believe that pictures you posted here were the only messages you got. You picked only those which suited your vision of Poles. It was really smart move and now most of your fans will think of Poles however you want, ignoring a fact that there are people hurt by your subjective observations.
Life’s just unfair, isn’t it?

Observant on June 10, 2012 at 10:27 am

Reminds me of the old joke. Lech Walesa was asked why all Polacks have mustaches….’so we can look like our mothers!’ was his reply.

#1 Vato on June 10, 2012 at 10:41 am

Were the Romans complicit in killing four billion Jews in 135AD?

“The voice of Jacob': this is the cry caused by the (Roman) Emperor Hadrian who killed in the city of Bethar four hundred thousand myriads”
(Babylonian Talmud Gittin 57B)

Matt on June 10, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Oh yeah, Matt, I’m sure that your copy-paste job correctly represents Talmud. lol.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:37 am

Well, I’ve browsed all 359 comments (to date), and I’m not impressed by anyone on any side.

The key issue is whether Poland and by extension the Polish people are being condemned for complicity in the Holocaust.

One has to be very careful about the language one uses; for if the real situation was a small minority of Poles complicit in the German Holocaust, and add to that the violent intimidation and extortion imposed by the conquering Germans upon the Poles, then add to that further the fact that many Poles helped Jews and fought against the Germans for the Allies — then we may not have a situation where blaming Poland and by extension the Polish people is not only incorrect but grievously wrong.

A more precise calculus has to be established, based upon numbers and types of Poles who did help the Germans; juxtaposed to the numbers and types of Poles who did NOT help the Germans and who risked their lives to resist. And this more precise calculus has to be based on reliable historiographical studies, not pulled out of thin air as nearly every post here, on both sides, reflect.

I notice, for example, that a defender of Debbie’s, someone named “Miranda” above, was asked repeatedly what she meant by the glibly promiscuous term “many Poles” — and she never answered the question. That seems telling; for that is the CRUCIAL question.

Hesperado on June 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm

Hi Debbie! Just pls remember two things: 1) you can’t win with Poles (Hiter failed, Stalin failed, nazi-blonde-girl won’t win too) 2) Poles learn fast – next time we won’t help your nation. Cheers!

b on June 10, 2012 at 3:24 pm

    Hitler and Stalin certainly “won” with Poles.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:31 am

Urszula,

The very fact that you claim that you weren’t an anti semite “until dumb schlussel opened her mouth” shows that you’re an antisemite!… After all, what do you call a person who blames all Jews for what one single Jew “allegedly” did?!…

Hans on June 10, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Please, don’t be stubborn Debbie. Check all resources, read interviews with people who survived, their memoir, talk with people who lived in those times, especially Jews who were in death camps or ghettos. Then you should know that mostly Poles helped Jews and felt for their tragedy! A lot of people (among the others – my grandparent and their friends) helped Jews, they gave them food and accommodation, medical resources too.

Charles Patrick Adkins on his blog said: “ The truth is, there were poles who turned in Jews to save their own necks. ”
I do not negate this. You are right. There were also Poles who turned against other Poles! In addition, there were a group of Poles who abjure their Polish nationality, and take German one. We call them “Volksdeutsch”. But scale of those apparition is a lot lower than that one, which you and Debbie want to show people. We were neither serial murderers nor Jews executioners. In other words – Poles were not responsible for death camps, ghettos and Hitler’s final solution plan. (I wonder if you now, that Poles were next on the list “to kill” after Jews.) I really hope, that you realize how much you hurt those who helped Jews, risking their own lives, their families too. I said about yours article to my friend’s grandmother. She helped Jews in times of WWII. That made her shocked and crying. She said, that they (her generation) did not fight for future full of lies and injustice.

Piotr on June 10, 2012 at 4:49 pm

Please, don’t be stubborn Debbie. Check all resources, read interviews with people who survived, their memoir, talk with people who lived in those times, especially Jews who were in death camps or ghettos. Then you should know that mostly Poles helped Jews and felt for their tragedy! A lot of people (among the others – my grandparent and their friends) helped Jews, they gave them food and accommodation, medical resources too.

Charles Patrick Adkins on his blog said: “ The truth is, there were poles who turned in Jews to save their own necks. ”
I do not negate this. You are right. There were also Poles who turned against other Poles! In addition, there were a group of Poles who abjure their Polish nationality, and take German one. We call them “Volksdeutsch”. But scale of those apparition is a lot lower than that one, which you, Debbie, want to show people. We were neither serial murderers nor Jews executioners. In other words – Poles were not responsible for death camps, ghettos and Hitler’s final solution plan. (I wonder if you now, that Poles were next on the list “to kill” after Jews.) I really hope, that you realize how much you hurt those who helped Jews, risking their own lives, their families too. I said about yours article to my friend’s grandmother. She helped Jews in times of WWII. That made her shocked and crying. She said, that they (her generation) did not fight for future full of lies and injustice.

Piotr on June 10, 2012 at 4:50 pm

About pictures which you add on this page, only 3 (first two and last one) of them were originally created by Poles and only purpose of them was to personally hit into your lies, to bring attention to your Poles-hatred articles.

Piotr on June 10, 2012 at 4:54 pm

Who no Jewish association will back you up on your article??? Because they know the truth and you don’t!! So stop calling yourself a proud Jew!! YOU ARE FAKE.
YOU incite anti-Semitisms with your LIES about Polish people. How dare you to put Polish National Emblem together with a swastika???
Good job Ms Kardashian of Journalism!!!

Smith on June 10, 2012 at 5:14 pm

    Smith, who no needs a so-called Jewish organization? I realize that someone with your low IQ needs someone to supply talking points, but Debbie does not, nor do the regulars here.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm

“Aaron Schlussel” That would be an interesting research for U.S or Jewish media/organisations. Hopefully somebody pick up the story about your past.

Irvin on June 10, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Irvin, thanks for suggesting research projects. How about a project on seemingly genetic Polish antisemitism?

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 7:08 pm

Debbie cheater,

Anti-Semitism is the fake.
Anti-Semitism as a way of make money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEQw6wFAAlM

Cheated my tolerance on June 10, 2012 at 5:19 pm

    Another Jew hating Pole.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:34 am

people, why do you even bother? all you do is increase the number of visits to her blog and hence in a way financially supporting her actually. Best thing to do is ignore it. It’s obvious she’s a fanatic and you can’t discuss with such people, so why even bother. Let her live in her little world. If any action could be taken it should and maybe will be taken on the official international level.

regards,
Adam

Adam on June 10, 2012 at 5:28 pm

Interesting discussion on wikipedia about Debbie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Debbie_Schlussel and her racial slur.

Irvin on June 10, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    Irvin, duh, references a joke resource like wikipedia. Those with an IQ over 100 (which apparently excludes nearly every Pole) know the value of wikipedia.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 7:12 pm

Thanks for the link Irvin.
Now I do not know. Debbie is a nymphomaniac or not oriented in the affairs of Central Europe or maybe it belongs to this group of people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ecE3V9eMzo
The above link for fun (of course) because there is heavy atmosphere. :)

Cheated my tolerance on June 10, 2012 at 6:05 pm

I do not think that what you represent can be ever called journalism…

Julie on June 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm

This is not journalism.

Cheated my tolerance on June 10, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Cheated, what would you know about journalism? Anyway, Debbie is an essayist who actually does research.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 11:19 am

From the wiki
After the killing of Osama bin Laden, Schlussel wrote on her blog “1 down, 1.8 billion more to go”.[21] Schlussel wrote about the 2011 Norway attacks that while she doesn’t “condone violent massacres on innocent civilians” and condemned their killer, she thought that “I’m not sad for either side… Now these kids’ families know what it feels like to be victims of the Islamic terrorists whose Judenrein boycotts and terrorist flotillas against Israel they support.” She also stated, “I don’t get too upset when they face the karma that is their fate. … Everythig about Debbie.

Alex on June 10, 2012 at 6:53 pm

ABOUT THIS NOTE: Anti-semitic this, anti-semitic that, oh how easily this word makes anyone look like a monster… The truth is we’re perfectly capable of respecting and being friendly with everyone who respects us not matter where they come from, and what they believe in. This means we have no problem whatsoever with the Jews, even if You would like that (because then your stupid articles would finally make sense) You spit in our faces, and then play victim raging about anti-semitism because of the personal attacks at you, for the ARROGANCE and uttermost IDIOCY you’ve shown. May I ask what the hell are You smoking? Just like everyone else in the world we simply hate people who are offending us. If this is “antisemitic”, it’s fine by me, just hope you don’t mind me laughing. Besides according to Your logic you’re being way more anti-polonistic than we are being anti-semitic. I mean why do You get to attack ALL OF US for alleged nazi-collaboration of the few and it’s perfectly justified and righteous, and when we attack YOU for your complete ignorance and lack of respect, and then its cruelty, disgrace and anti-semitism? It seems like you think hating Poles more ok than hating jews, no? Do you think you’re better than I am, or your nation is better than mine? Do you believe that WW2 was some kind of an effing picnic for the Poles? Or did You write all this shit so You get all the “Die Jewish Bitches!” “Zionist Whores,” and “Mossad Sluts.” so you can show what assholes we are? On a personal level in my eyes you’re simply sad and pathetic and your ignorance makes me want to cry. On the professional level you make the words like “education” and “journalism” look like a sad joke…
Im sure like in every nation mine has people i would be ashamed of, but if you were Polish, You would be one of them too.

May all the innocent victims and noble heroes of WW2 Rest in peace both Jewish and Polish, and of all the other nationalities too.

polak on June 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm

And one more thing YOU UTTER, UTTER IDIOT. We’re not accusing USA of performing the 9/11 WTC attacks. We simply talk about how using the term “Polish concentration camps” that were German and located in Poland is exactly like calling the Al-Quaidas attack on WTC “American terrorist attacks” Which is just to set an example of how unacceptable this is.

I know You’re a dumb blonde and that You’re a liar, and a poor journalist but this seriously has it’s limits…

polak on June 10, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    polak nicely demonstrates what happens when morons have access to keyboards.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 3:13 am

      skzion and would you mind supporting your thesis with some constructive arguments? insults are not going to cut it. And yes i did demonstrate very precisely what happens when morons have an access to the keyboards, using Ms. Schlussel as a perfect example.

      polak on June 11, 2012 at 6:44 am

I’m pretty sure Debbie is on to something. Let’s take a look at some facts:

EUROPE AND THE JEWS 2012: DRAMATIC RISE IN ANTI-JEWISH, ANTI-ISRAEL PREJUDICE
A Simon Wiesenthal Center Special Report
by Dr. Harold Brackman
March 22, 2012

In Spring, 2008—before the September market
meltdown but after the major 2000 and 2006 Mideast shocks—a Pew poll showed increasingly high levels of anti-Semitism in six countries across Europe: 46 percent in Spain; 36 percent in Poland; 34 percent in Russia; 20 percent in France and 7 percent in the United
Kingdom.

Many Europeans still believed that Jews were responsible for the death of Christ by a range of 48 percent in Hungary and 33 percent in Poland to 19 percent in France and 11 percent in the UK.

In summary, almost a third agreed of Europeans agreed with at least three of four traditional negative stereotypes about Jews—with the highest levels in Poland, Spain, Hungary, and
France—with negative attitudes reinforced particularly by fall from the global economic
crisis.

In Poland, fascist symbols and slogans were displayed 56 times in and around football games during an 18-month period.

Poland:
Anti-Jewish incidents continued at significant levels in 2011. An anti-Jewish poster was found in a 2012 calendar published for promotional purposes by the Warsaw Municipality.
Anti-Semitic graffiti were spay-painted in Krakow. The letters “A” and “J” symbolizing Anti ?ydowskich (anti-Jew) and Star of David Were spray-painted.

the truth on June 10, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    No Poles want to hear you, the truth.

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 3:09 am

Regarding Victor Cholewicki’s June 6 letter, “An insult to Poles”:

Anti-Semitism was rampant in Poland, as well as in other Eastern European countries, well before the Nazi invasion. My parents lived in Poland, and my father’s relatives unfortunately did not meet any Poles willing to risk their lives for them. Thus his parents, brothers and nieces died in the Holocaust.

My parents told me a lot about their lives in Poland, and it was not idyllic. My father was hit in the face walking on the street because he looked Jewish, and, after the war, when my parents returned from their self-imposed exile in the Soviet Union, their property had been confiscated.

I spoke Polish when I was very young, but my parents did not allow me to speak the language after we left Poland. Although I have forgotten the language, I remember the stories. I have since met many Poles, and my family has Polish friends and German friends. But somehow I cannot bring myself to visit either country. Maybe it will take another generation.

Sabina Dym, Potomac

Unhappy memories of Poland and anti-Semitism on June 10, 2012 at 9:40 pm

Confronting Poland’s Anti-Semitic Demons
By Beata Pasek/Warsaw Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2008

Gross, a U.S. historian born and educated in Poland became internationally famous for his 2001 book Neighbors, chronicling the massacre of Jews in the village of Jedwabne during the Nazi occupation. That book stoked controversy in Poland because it demonstrated that the Jews of Jedwabne had been brutally murdered not by the Germans, but by local Poles. Fear, published in English in 2006 but first released in Polish just two weeks ago, takes a wider look at post-war anti-Semitism in Poland, investigating why Jews returning to their homes having survived Nazi atrocities were terrorized and sometimes murdered by Poles. Needless to say, it is not a topic with which Poland has been comfortable in dealing.

Poland, which lost about 6 million of its citizens in the war — half of them Jewish — prides itself on being the only country in Nazi-occupied Europe that did not have a collaborator government. But Gross suggests that being a direct witness to Nazi atrocities — Jews from all over Europe were herded to concentration camps in Poland — unleashed a brutal anti-semitism in the country that had for almost nine centuries been home to one of Europe’s largest Jewish communities. Gross provides extensive evidence of how many Poles chased away or killed Jewish Holocaust survivors, often out of fear that returning Jews would reclaim their property that had, during the occupation, been taken over by other Poles.

Source: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1706315,00.html
Read the WHOLE article.

Unhappy memories of Poland and anti-Semitism on June 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Regarding to the Jedwabne.
    There were 15-20 Poles involved. They did not have firearms.
    There were equipped with axes,pitchforks etc.
    According to some sources 800-1000 Jews were killed in Jedwabne.
    How come so many people did not give fight against a group of Poles many times smaller?

    Besides those 15-20 Poles there was the most likely 100-150 armed german troops present. The Poles who pa

    When rougly ten years ago the site was investigated and searched by polish archeologists the Jews put pressure on polish government to stop it so there is no way to verify if there were 1000 Jews killed or 70 or 200.

    As I mention earlier Jewish media and historians are not mentioning the role of the Jews in mass exodus of the Poles sent to Syberia in 1939-1941 and how this fact later influenced the relations between the Poles and the Jews.

    There was a war and criminals were on both sides.
    Jewish partisans killed polish civillians in Naliboki and in Koniuchy villages.
    One of the mass murder was committed by Bielski Brothers “partisans” so much glorified by a Hollywood movie a few years ago.
    There were situations were jewish and polish partisans were fighting together against germans.

    andrzej on June 10, 2012 at 10:16 pm

I’m not sure if Debbie has been to Poland, that is not relevant to the discussion. But I can tell you -I- have been to Poland, and have observed with my own eyes what is going on. There is some serious hate going on.

I have also heard accounts of visiting students from Israel who went to Poland on trips to visit the concentration camps and the way they were treated.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Stop trying to cover up what happened to the Jews at the hands of the Polish people. Do you identify yourself more as a Pole, or as a human being? If you identified yourself as a human being first, your nationalism would not interfere with THE TRUTH. No one is saying all Polish people are bad. From reading all these comments, you guys better clean up your act. Attacking Debbie is the lamest thing you can do.

If you identify yourself as a Christian or Jew then you would sympathize with the truth, not attack it. Shame on all who deny the truth, your time is coming.

READ:
Unhappy memories of Poland and anti-Semitism
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/unhappy-memories-of-poland-and-anti-semitism/2012/06/09/gJQAcHefQV_allComments.html?ctab=all_&

Fear: Anti-Semitism in Poland after Auschwitz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear:_Anti-Semitism_in_Poland_after_Auschwitz

Gross estimates that approximately 250,000 Polish Jews returned home at the end of the war. In his chapter “The Unwelcoming of Jewish Survivors,” Gross describes how returning Polish Jews were subjected to a wave of violence and hostility, with up to 1500 murdered either individually or in pogroms.[1] Often they would find their property occupied by non-Jewish Poles or taken over by the communist government, which nationalized much of the Polish economy. According to Gross, the expropriation of Jewish property continued a trend that occurred throughout the war years, with non-Jewish Poles acquiring the property of Polish Jews who were sent off to extermination camps, and in some instances, carrying out the killings themselves. Gross describes how the looting of property extended to digging through the ashes of Treblinka for gold fillings.[1] He discusses the alienation, hostile atmosphere, and violence experienced by some Jews and the inability of Polish elites to prevent it.[2] Gross makes additional claims about the Kielce pogrom, arguing that the crime was initiated not by a mob, but by the police, and that it involved people from every walk of life except the highest level of government officials in the city.[3]

According to a Piast Institute’s online summary,[2] Gross concludes by writing that some Poles, especially in rural areas, participated in the Nazi wartime effort to annihilate and despoil the Jews, and this was the cause of postwar anti-Semitism in Poland. The fear of punishment for their own crimes, according to Gross, was what drove them to continue attacking Jews after the war.[4][5] Historian David Engel describes the following quote as a “summation of [Gross'] basic thesis:”

We must seek the reasons for the novel, virulent quality of postwar anti-Semitism in Poland not in collective hallucinations nor in prewar attitudes, but in actual experiences acquired during the war years…. Living Jews embodied the massive failure of character and reason on the part of their Polish neighbors and constituted by mere presence both a reminder and a threat that they might need to account for themselves.[6]

Debbie Speaks the Truth on June 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Debbie_speaks_the_truth –
    I read both “Neigbours” and “Fear” by Gross. I agree that Poles committed some nasty crimes (even though I don’t agree with all Gross’ interpretations – but it’s another discussion).

    However,
    Did Gross argue that Poles killed “millions” of Jews?
    Did Gross argue that Poles operated concentration camps?

    …I don’t think so.

    So how does his work relates to those alleged “truths” of Ms. Schlussel?

    Renata on June 10, 2012 at 10:23 pm

1. Among the claims that Ms. Schlussel made are:
– Poles murdered millions of Jews
– Camps located in Poland were “Polish” and Poles run them

This is evidenced by those quotes:
“Poles murdered millions of Jews, they maintained several death camps, and they wiped out almost all of both sides of my family, as well as those in hundreds of thousands of other Jewish families.”
“Just taking orders when they helped round up Jews and helped man gas chambers.”
“Polish police all too easily took their place in helping run and operate the death camps.”

2. Those are specific accusations and Poles want Ms. Schlussel to answer for THEM. Don’t write about some Poles killing Jews, pogroms, Jedwabne and szmalcowniki…We know about those, but what we want here is Ms. Schlussel substantiating her claims that Poles killed MILLIONS of Jews and that they MAINTAINED/RUN/MANNED/OPERATED concentration camps (and I’m talking about voluntary cooperation, which is implied by Ms. Schlussel, not about occasional kapos who were recruited among prisoners, including Jews).

3. Ms. Schlussel is visibly unable to offer any proofs for those claims. In fact, they are wild, erroneous and historically inaccurate. They are serious accusations and they are LIES. Ms. Schlussel doesn’t try to discuss the facts and ignores the many Holocaust historians and Jewish and Israeli officials who have spoken against the phrase “Polish camps”.

4. The fact that we are protesting here, doesn’t mean that we are unwilling to discuss Polish anti-Semitism. I, for one, read both Gross’ books – Neighbours and Fear (about Jedwabne and Kielce massacres), many other Holocaust-related books and I can’t stand Polish anti-Semitism. I’m also pro-Israeli and pro-American. However, even Poles like me are incensed by Schlussel’s gratuitous attack. In tone, content and style of “arguments”, Schlussel’s first post is akin to anti-Israeli propaganda on some Islamic websites. And this includes the imagery. Equating the Polish national symbol to the Nazi flag is as obscene, and stirs the same emotions among Poles as equating the Israeli flag to svastika would stir among Jews.

So back to the crux of the issue, what does Ms. Schlussel (and her supporters) have to say about her claims that Poles killed millions of Jews and operated concentration camps?

Renata on June 10, 2012 at 10:16 pm

I noticed that two of my comments are awaiting moderation. This is so called democratic cenzorship and I quess those coments supported by historic data are so uncomfortable for Debbie that she must remove them.
Unfortunately Debbie the historic facts are true. May be it is a reason why you need to remove them

andrzej on June 10, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    andrzej, haven’t you called for legal action against Debbie because you don’t like her free speech? Yet you whine about Debbie filtering your comments on her OWN BLOG??

    skzion on June 11, 2012 at 3:23 am

“Third, stop acting like you are a victim because you have started the whole thing! All you do is hate and spread lies. You should be sued and I hope this will happen in the near future, such hate and lies need to be destroyed once and for all.”
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Paulina, your inner evil emerges, doesn’t it? She started the whole thing? Really? I’m pretty sure Debbie’s mind is the farthest thing from spewing hate.

“If Poles killed million that means that German nazi could not kill even a single Jew because nothing was left to be killed.”
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andrzej, it seems like numbers matter more than human lives to you. Hiding behind the Germans will not save you.

“The Poles saved thousands and thousands of Jews, very often being killed by Germans. Poland was the only country in occupied europe where for helping in any way even the smallest there was a death penalty.”
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So you are pro-Ally, pro-Jew? How come your post comes off so antoginistic and is an attack on Debbie?

Polak, your post lacks intelligence to respond to, but I’ll try anyways. To compare 9-11 to Auschwitz, which was IN Poland, is in error. If 9-11 involved setting up a terrorist camp within the United States, you would have a point. Next.
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“Just like everyone else in the world we simply hate people who are offending us. If this is “antisemitic”, it’s fine by me, just hope you don’t mind me laughing.”

Again, Polak, you fail to acknowledge the hate mail which Debbie has been attacked with, bearing anti-Semetic speach and illustrations that look like they came out of the Protocols of Zion. Again, which side are you on? Why are you mad that Debbie wrote an article about what happened to Jews at the hands of Polish citizens? I don’t see Germans launching into tirades every time they read an article about Germanys involvement in the Holocaust. Maybe you can take a page out of Germany’s book, and instead of being such an angry person in denial, why not help the Jewish people that were wronged in so many ways.
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“I do not think that what you represent can be ever called journalism…”

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Julie, Keep drinking the Kool-Aid…
I hear Oprah has some really good TV shows about losing weight and other stupid things you can learn about.
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“If any action could be taken it should and maybe will be taken on the official international level.”
Like, like a… a… WORLD WAR! Genius, Adam, Genius!!

“Who no Jewish association will back you up on your article??? Because they know the truth and you don’t!! So stop calling yourself a proud Jew!! YOU ARE FAKE.”
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Smith, looks like you are out of luck. Unfortunately, many Jewish writers and organizations DO recognize what Debbie wrote about. Sorry, but your gestapo wasn’t able to stop the truth from coming out.

It looks like all you idiots doth protest too much! Poland is not immune from its HISTORY!

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 10, 2012 at 10:26 pm

    Poland, Where is your Honor? Please stop projecting the actions of the small minority on the entire nation. Of course the Poles did things we’re ashamed of. We’re NOT denying it, and as Im already saying we are ashamed of it. But they also did things we are proud of. Let’s remember where it all started: Jan Karski is a hero and member of the Polish resistance who wouldn’t quit trying to inform the world about what the Germans do in Poland. His cries for ally intervention to help all the People in the camps (Many Poles suffered there too, which the world seems to forget about!) were ignored by the US and UK officials for a long time. This brave man was being honoured with a prize, and during the ceremony Obama called the 100% clearly German camp “Polish”. This is nothing but a slander and in the most disgusting and biased way Debbie supported it, while never ever having anything to say about the uttermost bravery of this and other Poles. I know what happened to Debbie’s Family in Poland, I condemn people who were complicit in this, and other situations like that, but this is not a free pass, to just say crap about me as a Pole my ancestors and all of us as a Nation. Poland is not complicit, some Poles were, and they are seen as disgrace. As a nation we’re co-victims and that’s the end of story. My family suffered from the Nazi occupation too, and then again from the “liberation” by the communists and I don’t insult every German Austrian or Russian I meet. It’s just elementary objectivity and humanity. In every nation there is some anti-semitism, but neither does this mean we support it, nor doesn’t make our entire nation hate the Jews. What Ms. Schlussel does is only pouring more petrol in the fire, by helping to create an image of a Jew-hating Pole for one side and Pole-hating Jew for the other. I deeply believe our nations got close to eachother throughout history, and we should work towards friendship, not escalate the conflict that never should exist in the first place. This is bad for both sides and simply unnecessary.

    polak on June 11, 2012 at 7:25 am

Renata, if Poland was a company, it’s stock would be plummeting!

See above articles about the continuing antisemitism in Poland.

And, in reference to your post about millions of Jews NOT being killed in Poland:

“Poland, which lost about 6 million of its citizens in the war — half of them Jewish — prides itself on being the only country in Nazi-occupied Europe that did not have a collaborator government. But Gross suggests that being a direct witness to Nazi atrocities — Jews from all over Europe were herded to concentration camps in Poland — unleashed a brutal anti-semitism in the country that had for almost nine centuries been home to one of Europe’s largest Jewish communities.”

Source: Time Magazine.

You seem surprised Debbie is “angry” about what happened to Jews, and her family in Poland, at the hands of the Poles. Really? I suppose she should be happy, or just act like it never happened? As someone who had family that was also killed in the Holocaust, I can’t tell you the anger that comes with knowing such a tragedy occurred. You, for some reason, seem to put your pride ahead of your intelligence and honor.

IF ANYTHING, THERE IS MORE ABOUT POLAND’S INVOLVEMENT IN THE HOLOCAUST THAT HAS YET TO COME OUT. I AM SURE THE ATROCITIES REPORTED BY DEBBIE AND OTHER AUTHORS IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG!

POLAND’S INVOLVEMENT AND HER CRIMES IN RELATION TO THE HOLOCAUST ARE UNDER-REPORTED!

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 10, 2012 at 10:38 pm

Renata, now we are trying to steer the conversation into semantics, right?

Killed in Poland VERSUS Killed by Polish.

A country bears the burden of what happens WITHIN its borders. Sorry, I’m not going to just IGNORE that 3 millions Jews were MURDERED in Poland. You have to have a VERY large level of complicity for 3 MILLION people of a particular religion to be murdered in a country. Instead of hearing you shed tears for the 3 million that were murdered, we instead hear hate from you.

“But her post was in the same style.”

How?
I didn’t see Debbie attacking INDIVIDUAL Poles, stating THEY participated in the Holocaust. Attacking Debbie personally defies logic, as does your comparison. Poland did participate in the Holocaust, plain and simple. You should be ashamed that you are more worked up about semantics than the shame that your country was a part of such a horrible part of history.

“Because they know it’s true while Schlussel’s post contained lies.”

It’s easy to hide behind Germany, isn’t it?

“Examples? Links?”

Turn on American TV or radio and you can hear her for yourself.

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 10, 2012 at 11:01 pm

Again, I think it’s unbelievable that 3 million Jews were murdered in Poland, and all these posts can focus on are stupid side-issues.

Debbie this, Debbie that. Debbie what? Get your heads out of your asses and take a look in the mirror. Many of your families, your neighbors, your friends live in homes stolen from Jews in the Holocaust, and live off wealth stolen from them! Only two-thousand Jews now live in Poland. Gee, I wonder why?

There’s no excuse for antisemitism, and the amount of it I have seen on here is ridiculous and shameful. Shame on Poland for having such a corrupted attitude. I have not seen any other Poles apologize or acknowledge that the antisemitic comments and emails are wrong! What a poor reflection on a country and a culture!

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 10, 2012 at 11:08 pm

“I regret the anti-Semitic posts because they hurt Jews in general but I don’t pity Debbie.”

Some decency, but I still don’t understand why you deny the truth?

And your stupid Anti-Americanism is soooo ridiculous. Americans are great and a Judeo-Christian nation, maybe that is WHY you evil people hate Americans so much! I’ve been around the world and there is no country that is as Christian based as the USA. Your country has fallen away from Jesus and his teachings!

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 10, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    America is a great nation??????? freedom?????? You do not know what is freedom!!!!! You live in a military,police country. Propadanda your government laundered your brains.You are a pitiful, shallow people.

    knvb on June 12, 2012 at 6:47 am

“What anti-Americanism? Where did I write anything (hostile) about America?”

Your fellow countrymen did, and you did nothing to correct them, nor did you condemn the comments.

Is there any reason that at the Poland football matches there are always so many Nazi flags being waved by the fans? One thing I know is, if someone tried to do that at an American game, they wouldn’t be doing it for very long, it would be stopped.

Face it, Poland has alot of work to do to mend fences, for the ones that are willing to do so.

I have traveled to Poland, met great people there, don’t get me wrong. In fact, my great grandmother is Polish, so to hate Polish people would be stupid. But the level of hate I am seeing is very stupid. If the reaction was normal that would be OK, but there is way too many antisemitic and tit-for-tat type comments from Poles on here and especially on Facebook.

Poland, Where is your Honor? on June 11, 2012 at 12:04 am

Following you way of thinking I say:

The biggest terrorist attack on WTC in 2001 happened in NYC in America, so it was an AMERICAN terrorist attack! Some Americans must have helped the terrorists – otherwise it would happen somewhere else.

I’m still waiting to see your comment that acknowledges the American role in helping to attack WTC in 2001.

It is as much true as your suggestions that Polish nation helped Germans to kill jews.

Jacek on June 11, 2012 at 2:22 am

Let’s start talking about facts not about that what you have heard in Us media. If all American journalists are so proffesional as Debbie I can imagine what you can watch on US TV.

Polish citizens have the world’s highest count of individuals awarded medals of Righteous among the Nations, given by the State of Israel to non-Jews who saved Jews from extermination during the Holocaust. As of 2011, there are 6,266 Polish men and women recognized as “Righteous” to this day, amounting to over 25 per cent of the total number of 22,765 honorary titles awarded already.

It is estimated by one study that hundreds of thousands of Poles concealed and aided hundreds of thousands of their Polish-Jewish neighbors.[4] Many of these initiatives were carried out by individuals, but there also existed organized networks of Polish resistance who was dedicated to aiding Jews—most notably, the ?egota organization.

In German-occupied Poland the task of rescuing Jews was especially difficult and dangerous. All household members were punished by death if a Jew was found concealed in their home or on their property. One study estimates of the number of Poles who were killed by the Nazis for aiding Jews, among them 704 posthumously honored with medals, as high as tens of thousands.

Jacek on June 11, 2012 at 2:26 am

“In an attempt to discourage Poles from helping the Jews and to destroy any efforts of the resistance, the Germans applied a ruthless retaliation policy. On November 10, 1941, the death penalty was introduced by Hans Frank, governor of the General Government, to apply to Poles who helped Jews “in any way: by taking them in for the night, giving them a lift in a vehicle of any kind” or “feed[ing] runaway Jews or sell[ing] them foodstuffs.” The law was made public by posters distributed in all major cities.

The imposition of the death penalty for Poles aiding Jews was unique to Poland among all Nazi occupied countries, and was a result of the conspicuous and spontaneous nature of such an aid. For example, the Ulma family (father, mother and six children) of the village of Markowa near ?a?cut – where many families concealed their Jewish neighbors – were executed jointly by the Nazis with the eight Jews they hid. The entire Wo?yniec family in Romaszka?ce was massacred for sheltering three Jewish refugees from a ghetto. In Maciu?ce, for hiding Jews, the Germans shot eight members of Józef Borowski family along with him and four guests who happened to be there. Nazi death squads carried out mass executions of the entire villages that were discovered to be aiding Jews on a communal level. In the villages of Bia?ka near Parczew and Sterdy? near Soko?ów Podlaski, 150 villagers were massacred for sheltering Jews. In November 1942, the Ukrainian SS squad executed 20 villagers from Berecz in Wo?y? Voivodeship for giving aid to Jewish escapees from the ghetto in Povorsk. According to Peter Jaroszczak “Micha? Kruk and several other people in Przemy?l were executed on September 6, 1943 for the assistance they had rendered to the Jews. Altogether, in the town and its environs 415 Jews (including 60 children) were saved, in return for which the Germans killed 568 people of Polish nationality.” Several hundred Poles were massacred with their priest, Adam Sztark, in S?onim on December 18, 1942, for sheltering Jews in a church. In Huta Stara near Buczacz, Polish Christians and the Jewish countrymen they protected, were herded into a church by the Nazis and burned alive on March 4, 1944. In the years 1942-1944 about 200 peasants were shot dead and burned alive as punishment in the Kielce region alone.”

Jacek on June 11, 2012 at 2:30 am

Dear comrades please stop feeding the troll!

qwerty on June 11, 2012 at 3:12 am

“The number of Polish Jews kept in hiding by non-Jewish Poles was around 450,000″

And imagine that all those Poles decided to do it risking their lives and the lives of all members of their family. Would any of you be able to do it today? I don’t think so.

For all those heros the only “letter of thanks” is your statement that – “Poles helped Nazi-Germans to kill millions of Jew”.
One of them – Irena Sendler was a Polish candidate for The Nobel Peace Prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irena_Sendler

The Norwegian Nobel Committee chose your President Obama instead – yes, we can – he really “deserved” for it!

Jacek on June 11, 2012 at 3:12 am

“Some of the Many Images Sent to Me From Philo-Semitic Poles . . .”

“No way they were complicit in the Holocaust, right?”

Oh yes yes, they *clearly* prove that Poles were complicit in holocaust.
Now THAT’S a journalism! or Debbielism rather.

qwerty on June 11, 2012 at 3:28 am

U DELETE OUR POSTS

WHERE IS YOU HONOR ? on June 11, 2012 at 4:19 am

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