Comments on: No First Amendment for “Tender Aged” Kindergarteners: If Only He’d Read From the Koran @ Show & Tell

By: Mistress_Dee

Mistress_Dee — Thu, 04 Jun 2009 07:56:32 +0000

Re: the california schools and reading of the Koran, this is probably what the flap is about- http://www.snopes.com/religion/islam.asp

By: Scabies

Scabies — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:20:43 +0000

I’m not aware of the California incident or what happened there, but how does that incident negate this one? You know what they say, two wrongs don’t make a right. You can cherry pick an incident where the Koran was allowed and another where the Bible was not and try to draw conclusions, but it means nothing because we all know there are still schools where the Bible is preached every day, and likewise there are schools where Islam is worshipped every day (one in particular an Islamic charter school here in MN who has come under fire for praying during school).
Also i’ll note the Hawaiian Islam Day is ridiculous, what the hell are they thinking over there passing that into law?

By: ScottyDog

ScottyDog — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:00:55 +0000

Speculating that reading the Koran in a public school would be accepted with open arms is ridiculous. It would be struck down for the same reason as this, and rightly so.
Posted by: Scabies [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2009 11:34 AM
Oh really they already read the Koran in California Schools, where have you been?

By: Mistress_Dee

Mistress_Dee — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:25:54 +0000

I’ll politely disagree with you Scabies.. they SHOULDN’T be allowed to read any of the above in public schools except as part of an educational/historical context, and kindergarteners are definitely too young for that kind of assignment work. As much as I am a promoter of my own faith and beliefs, there is a reason that the establishment clause is defined as it is. It’s also why we are (or at least until now have been) allowed to have schools based on tenets of fait separate from the public system.
The hypocrisy that is shown as favoritism toward Islamic “needs” in public schools versus the derision shown to Judeo-Christian faiths is the issue here.

By: Scabies

Scabies — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:34:30 +0000

Speculating that reading the Koran in a public school would be accepted with open arms is ridiculous. It would be struck down for the same reason as this, and rightly so.
This is hypocrisy at it’s finest, of course they should be able to read my bible to other people’s children in public schools. Now stand up and declare that they should also be able to read the Koran or the Satanic Verses or the scripture of Marshal Applewhite to your children.

By: Mistress_Dee

Mistress_Dee — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:22:28 +0000

I can buy the notion that a publc school can or should be absent of the promotion of any particular religious presentation. 1st Amendment, Entitlement Clause,etc.. being what they are.
HOWEVER- the big fear here is that you DO have the promotion of certain elements of religion that are politically palatable to the left- i.e. Islam, be it either the variety promoted by the Arabic or the “Farakhan” sort.
My husband and I choose to send our kids to a paraochial Catholic school. We then have no issues of our kids being taught our values, details of our faith, and conduct that we endorse. So too, there are other religious based schools that people can and do send their children to for similar reasons.
This double standard tells me however, that we need to be watchful because the trend is to diminish, marginalize and perhaps even unthinkably, eliminate that right for parents to provide a parochial type education for their kids.. that is of course unless you are Moslem, Pagan, or another sacred cow of the politically correct left- then you are protected, no one can criticize you and it’s open season on Judeo-Christian values and beliefs.
It isnt’ like this hasn’t happened before in the world.

By: cirrus1701

cirrus1701 — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:02:49 +0000

The problem is that it will never be ok to read the Bible in school. We Christians and Jews who posses functional gray matter know that we are rapidly “achieving” kafir status. That’s why we’re screaming.
Places like Hawaii now have Islam Day, which will occur on Sept. 24, 2009. Interaction Publishers published a 3 week unit for 7th graders entitled, “Islam: A Simulation of Islamic History and Culture”–otherwise known as “live like a Muslim” for 3 weeks. In the hallowed halls of higher education, the University of Michigan-Dearborn installed footbaths for the Muslim students. What about the Christian students? Hah! No soup for you! (The U of M information was from Debbie’s column of 5/30/07.)
I propose a new name for the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals–The 3rd. Fedayeen Court. They are judicial guerrillas that operate against the people and interests of the US. They already have the black robes…

By: LibertarianBulbasaur

LibertarianBulbasaur — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:43:01 +0000

I’m fine with kids not being allowed to read the Bible to their public school classmates. I guess that’s a controversial opinion around here?
The double standard of political correctness may make the Koran okay and the Bible not, but let’s say that they did say the Bible was okay to read in show and tell. If that were the case, would you be okay with young Muslim kids reading the Koran to their classmates? Pretty doubtful.

By: NormanF

NormanF — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:29:51 +0000

Debbie, if he had read Heather Has Two Mommies, there would be no problem. The only problem is he read the Bible and to our judicial atheists, that is verboten.

By: Norman Blitzer

Norman Blitzer — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:37:39 +0000

[If only Donna Kay Busch's son used the Koran as his show-and-tell item, then I guarantee he'd be on solid ground.]
That’s a good point. What if the boy had read from the Koran? Would he be getting just as much support from the Christian and Jewish communities?
Anyway these Christians who want to sneak the Bible into schools are just playing dumb. They already know what the score is, why they continue to do these things is just insane.