August 9, 2012, - 3:42 pm

US Jewish Olympian’s Tepid Quote on Slain Israeli Athletes Too Little, Too Late, NOT Brave

By Debbie Schlussel

Since yesterday’s New York Post cover article about it, many readers and friends have been sending me the story about U.S. Olympic Gold Medalist gymnast (and Jew) Aly Raisman’s statements in support of an official Olympic memorial for the slain Israeli athletes murdered at the 1972 Munich Olympics by Islamic terrorists. Plenty of mindless conservatives are calling her belated statement “brave.” Some people contacting me called it “courageous.” In fact, it is neither of these. While Raisman’s meek, lukewarm statement is nice, it is too little, too late. And frankly, at this point it is irrelevant . . . except as smart marketing for future paid speeches and appearances before Jewish groups. And all she said was that if there was a moment of silence she would have respected and supported it. That’s hardly a strong statement calling for one. It’s very tepid, in fact, not the “chutzpah” the New York Post claims. Not even close.

Where was Aly Raisman when it counted? Where was she BEFORE the Olympic Opening Ceremony, where any fitting memorial to the Israeli athletes and coaches needed to be? Why didn’t she speak up then, if it was so important to her, as she now claims? Now, with the Olympics almost over, it’s meaningless. Useless. Perhaps she felt that, if she made a statement in solidarity with those seeking a memorial to the slain Israeli Olympians, Olympic judges and officials might have taken out on her in scoring for her Olympic events. But that’s why her speaking out now isn’t brave or courageous. Courage and bravery involve doing what is right when times are tough, when there’s a risk to you for your actions. And she said nothing then, when others were crying out for the Olympic memorial in the Opening Ceremony. Now, it costs her nothing. She’s already won her gold and silver medals. She has nothing to lose. It’s not like Ahmed’s Falafel Hut was considering her for an endorsement deal. But it will enhance Raisman’s image with the group that has a lot of money to spend to hear her speak–the only group in American Judaism that still cares that she is Jewish and identifies with her for being a Jewish-American: middle-aged to older American Jews.

And to them, I say, while Aly Raisman could have ignored the Israeli athletes’ memory by choosing not to respond to a reporter’s question, she was put on the spot by a reporter and her statements now are almost as if she did blow off the question. It might have made a difference–and it certainly would have gotten more attention–had she said something when it mattered, before the Olympic Games opening ceremony.

And she was strangely silent at that time. And not just strangely silent. Deliberately silent. As deliberate as her sudden lack of reticence on the topic now. And, yet, even now, her statement isn’t exactly anything to write home about. It’s a passive response to a reporter’s question, not an active statement in support that you’d get from Muslim athletes in support of their comparatively unworthy causes.

That doesn’t get any applause or cheers from me. Just a ho-hum and sigh. And a, “is that the best you can do?!”

New York Post columnist Leonard Greene claims that Raisman “loudly shocked” observers by paying tribute to the slain Munich Eleven Israelis. But in fact, it was neither shocking nor loud. More shocking and loud is that anyone calls waiting until no one notices or cares to say something on an issue whose time–at least for this Olympic Games, the meaningful 40th anniversary of the Munich Massacre–has come and gone, “brave” and “courageous.”

If this truly “needed to be said” as she claims, she should have said it two weeks ago, not two weeks too late.


Aly Raisman made quite a statement yesterday by winning a gold medal and invoking the memory of the Israeli athletes killed 40 years ago in Munich.

Raisman finished first in the women’s floor exercise, but she deserves to have another medal draped around her neck for having the chutzpah to face the world and do what needed to be done and say what needed to be said.

At the same Olympic Games where bigoted organizers stubbornly refuse to honor the slain athletes with a moment of silence, 18-year-old Raisman loudly shocked observers first by winning, then by paying her own tribute to 11 sportsmen who died long before she was born. . . .

She won her event with the Hebrew folk song “Hava Nagila” playing in the background.

“Having that floor music wasn’t intentional,” an emotional but poised Raisman told reporters after her performance.

“But the fact it was on the 40th anniversary is special, and winning the gold today means a lot to me.”

Then Raisman stuck the landing.

“If there had been a moment’s silence,” the 18-year-old woman told the world, “I would have supported it and respected it.”

Huh? If that milquetoast line is the best she can do, two weeks late, who needs it? Not the ghosts of the Munich Eleven who cried out for her support long ago and didn’t get it then because it wasn’t convenient to her medal quest.

That people are raving over this weak response to a reporter’s question, just goes to show how desperate they believe our position is, that even a rotten crumb thrown their way is quickly devoured and excessively appreciated like a sumptuous steak.

Again, not brave, not courageous. And at this point, not of any use at all.

Remember Them . . .


Remember Who Murdered Them . . .




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Guri Weinberg, son of Moshe Weinberg, one of the 11 Israelis murdered by Palestinian terrorists at the Munich games in 1972 publicly thanked US Olympian Aly Raisman for her statement of solidarity with the Munich 11 just after she received her Gold Medal for gymnastics.

So, Schlussel, you have no moral authority to complain about what Raisman did or did not do.

FK: Big deal. Her statement was a tepid, useless, far too late statement, which is the point of the post. That he thanked her just goes to show how desperate our position is, that even a rotten crumb is quickly devoured and treated like a sumptuous steak.

I don’t need to be a relative of one of the slain Israeli athletes to have moral authority. In fact, some relatives of slain Israeli athletes are far-left peaceniks. By your logic, their warped positions have moral authority by DNA. Absurd. DS

FrenchKiss on August 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm

    She’s 16 years old and you want Abba Eban, Debbie? Get serious!

    Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 1:33 am

Your take on this is spot-on, Debbie.

Tepid is exactly what it was – she absolutely should have used her brief spotlight to publicly admonish, shame and call out the Olympic committee for their egregious silence on and refusal to honor the Israeli Jews murdered by the muslims. She doesn’t realize that it could just as easily be her at any given moment.

DS_ROCKS! on August 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm

    Don’t you zionists have anything better to do than try to guilt trip the whole world about something that happenned 40 years ago? I’m glad the attempt to hijack the Olympic games failed. Yes it was an unnecessary tragedy, just as the holocaust (70 y a), but it has no place in Sports.

    I don’t hear any of you righteous do gooders up in arms about the thousands of Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian, Turkish, and Somalian civilians that have been murdered by Israel. Justice and universal humanity isn’t exclusive. Anybody who doesn’t like this comment can chew on this statistic: In the years between 2000-2010: 1862 Israelis killed and 11,006 Palestinians. No contest

    daniel stein on August 10, 2012 at 7:00 pm

      daniel what you seem to forget is the fact that the israeli athletes were murdered at the olympics ……….. yes they were jewish but they were athletes and the games is about sports not politics ….. the IOC should be ashamed for ignoring the 40 year mark………… also your ( facts ) lmao about so called palestinians being killed is a joke

      a g k on August 11, 2012 at 1:10 am

        A g k,
        a joke? International human rights organizations are a pretty reliable source. How about u do the research from a CREDIBLE source not a propaganda mouth piece and get back to me? Guarantee its a 10:1 ratio between the two.

        daniel stein on August 11, 2012 at 2:39 pm

      Daniel, dear, when did you convert to Islam?

      skzion on August 12, 2012 at 10:36 pm

Star is CATALINA PONOR!!! Aly Raisman still the medal!!!!

Carmen on August 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm

That’s a good point.

The solidarity is appreciated but true courage means taking a stand if you have something to lose.

She already has her medals. When she was in a position to do something, she didn’t do it.

People wanted a redeeming moment in the Sharia Olympics but its disappointing. It could have been a lot more.

Anyway, it will be over very soon!

NormanF on August 9, 2012 at 4:12 pm

Debbie – I agree that what she did was not courageous and has been blown out of proportion. I remember thinking the same way when I first heard the quotes. However I would like to make two points:

1) I don’t think she should be criticized. No one else did anything either and she was responding to a question. It is not as if she was seeking out publicity and providing unsolicited statements. Criticism of those who are praising her IS justified.

2) While this may not have meant a lot of people, and in fact no longer does to me, I did get a little rise out of the musical that she chose to play during her performance.

I_AM_ME on August 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm

Wait a minute! Aly trained and was focused so she could go to London to represent her country and herself. Her goal was winning a gold medal. She didn;t go to be the voice of Slain Athletes. She is a 18 yr old who has been concentrating on training. I donlt think she deserves to have the “Gonsa Magel” on her back. She was asked a question and answered it. She s not a representative of anything more unless she decides to be one Get off her case

Ro Fishman on August 9, 2012 at 4:17 pm

I appreciate your “cut-the-crap” take on the matter, Debbie. Does anybody know what this means: “Having that floor music wasn’t intentional,” Raisman said. If not, how did it get played? If accidental, how does she come to take credit for the connection to a Munich tribute?

JooTube on August 9, 2012 at 4:22 pm

    Agreed. She is only 19 but she sounds too apologetic. The floor music wasn’t intentional??? I thought they chose the music, or at least were aware of what was going to play….and if it was chosen for her it that’s not good either….my take on the whole thing is that Israel should excuse themselves from these games where it is clear they are not welcome. A small price to pay for your dignity.

    Robert L on August 9, 2012 at 9:31 pm

Don’t blame Aly. If you want to point fingers point them at your fellow ultra Orthodox and Hasidic Jews who refuse to serve in the Israeli Army. Aly did what she was supposed to do, that is compete and win a medal.

Also don’t forget the ultra Orthodox and Hasidim in Brooklyn who now act like Muslims and refuse to allow people with shorts and Short sleeves form entering their stores. As a fellow Jew you should support Aly for a job well done. As a Jew I support her, but I too can point fingers at the majority of religious Jews who make the rest of us look bad. I don’t see any of those Jews except yourself opening their mouths. Aly makes us look good.

Glen Benjamin on August 9, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    What do her comments have to do with those groups? This woman chose what she was going to say, and when she said it. If she had wanted to make a real statement about Munich, she would have spoken at the beginning of the Olympics. Instead, this woman decided to wait until the janitors were in the wings to clean up.

    Worry01 on August 9, 2012 at 6:12 pm

    Glenn – You need chill a bit in your rabid attacks on the ultra-Orthodox. They have sincere reasons for what they do, and whether you agree or not, you should try to respect their choices. They don’t make you look bad unless you are one of them and are embarrassed by their actions. You are outside of that group, obviously, so it is not you who “look bad” when they do things that you object to. You are projecting your identity on them. They might be saying the same things about you, and that would be wrong, too. And, last I checked, private business owners have the right to demand standards of behavior from their customers (“no shoes, no shirt, no service” comes to mind).

    That said, more ultra-Orthodox men are enlisting in the IDF today than ever before. And how that is relevent to the Munich Olympic massacre and this story escapes me. Plus, there are younger politicians rising in Israel that seek to address the concerns of the ultra-Orthodox have with the IDF, which has shown outright cruelty to ultra-Orthodox soldiers over the years. Your prejudices cut both ways, Glenn.

    Phil on August 10, 2012 at 12:35 pm

She’s a young athlete, give her a break! I’ve never heard of you before Debbie and the only reason I have now is because of your response to a talented and honest young woman’s attempt to use her moment in the spotlight to raise awareness for something important to her. It seems to me it is you who is jumping on the band wagon and trying to use any means possible to get your name out there. You should be ashamed of yourself.

D: HUH? She did NOT attempt to use her moment to raise awareness for anything. She was asked on the spot by a reporter about the Israeli athletes and she responded. Hardly the same thing. She even pointed out that her routine and the use of “Hava Nagila” was NOT a tribute to the Israeli athletes but a coincidence. The rabid support for this tepid on-the-spot answer to a reporter is really incredible and, again, shows the desperation of most people on “our side.” I am not so desperate. DS

Davina on August 9, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    Debbie is right. Courage and decency are two different things.

    No one is saying she isn’t a nice person; she just didn’t push for it when it really mattered.

    And its true the world is an indecent place. We live in a world full of vulgar, trashy and completely self-centered people.

    That people need to comment on her decent behavior, well let’s just say that’s a reflection of how low our standards have fallen.

    Debbie is right again – there is nothing extraordinary in what she said and we shouldn’t make more of it than it is. But compared to what Debbie wrote about Ryan Lochter and his mom and Serena Williams’ crip walk, Raisman is a model of rectitude.

    And that’s the saddest thing about it, really – where are the Olympians we used to have?

    NormanF on August 9, 2012 at 4:43 pm

No one else said anything at all!

That’s why a lot of readers send it to Debbie, including me. She didn’t have to answer that question, she could have ignored it or just walked away.

I don’t give her points for being courageous, I give her points for being decent.

When it comes to recalling the slain Israeli athletes and coaches no one else would even bring them up.

Debbie is right she should have spoken out a lot earlier – still, let’s not beat up too much. We live in a world in which dead Jews are an afterthought and no one else really cares.

Its not her job to do what the world should have been doing in the first place but never will. Decency is worth noticing at the Sharia Olympics.

But to say the Games a statement about human brotherhood and friendship is fraudulent. And its not about a “moment of silence” – like the IOC will ever embrace Israel. Don’t holding your breath waiting for them to be at least as decent as Aly Raisman.

NormanF on August 9, 2012 at 4:31 pm

Lots of Jewish ‘conservatives’ are praising her so-called courageous stand. Let’s hope they don’t wind up regretting their words if she winds up endorsing Obama, and joining Sandra Flake on the campaign trail.

And the Italian team did more than Aly Raisman.

LA: That’s right! The Italian team did do more. I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding us. DS

Little Al on August 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm

You are wrong on this one.Doing her routine with Hava Nagila was brave enough

YR: How is that brave? You could barely even tell it was Hava Nagila. And so what? I’ve seen far-left Israel-hating Jews dance to Hava Nagila. You do realize they play this at hockey games, too? DS

YR on August 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    No, it wasn’t. Its not even “Jewish” ethnic music anymore. Debbie’s point again is well taken.

    Don’t confuse courage with decency. And Little Al just reminded us the Italian team (not Jewish) did far more than Raisman.

    A musical selection for a sports routine is not a big deal and too many people are not looking at the substance surrounding this quote.

    Debbie did and you can’t say there was anything to write home about her performance that can’t be attributed to coincidence.

    NormanF on August 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm

Shame on the IOC for ignoring the murder of these innocents. They should have the guts to honor these slain men but they refuse to their ever lasting shame. But she is an 18 year old kid. I am sure at 18 you were much more politically aware and for that I commend you. Sadly most kids that age could not even find Israel on a map let alone know anything about Munich.

John on August 9, 2012 at 5:06 pm

spare me. the girl is 16. She was born in 1996. She doesn’t have any connection to what you are talking about. It is the adults’ job to be the adults. This is as bad as making fun of Gabby’s hair. These girls have been working their entire life to earn a medal. That’s what they did.

GJ: Uh, actually, she’s 18, but thanks for the false facts and stellar non-research. And she DOES indeed have a strong connection to what I’m talking about because–newsflash–it’s her comments I’m talking about. She now “doesn’t have any connection” to her own comments? If pointing out that comments are tepid and not courageous is “as bad as” the racist comments about Gabby Douglas’ hair, you have a really warped sense of proportion and likely need some help. DS

growerJenn on August 9, 2012 at 5:08 pm

Great points Norman…and I LOVED the “Sharia Olympics”. Indeed. (Little Al, it’s always a pleasure to read your posts!)

Again, I agree 100% with DS. We are indeed desperate because we are overtaken with the DUMB, lemming position. DS usually sites a great Adam Ant song from the 80’s that I love…”Desperate, But Not Serious” and that seems to be the default position in the world and US today regarding saving our Republic and the trouble Israel (and the world over) is in due to Islam.

And in “The Silence Of The Lambs” the poor girl (who had to put the lotion on her skin, or else get the hose again) in the well even said to a freaky Serial Killer…”Thanks for the crumbs, A**hole”.

This site is kick-ass and it’s because it knows it’s facts and will speak the truth and high-light the absurd. Love it!

Skunky on August 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm

Good lord, she’s a teenager for heaven’s sake. Your expectations are for someone a little more mature. Most 18 year olds (and myself included when I was 18) aren’t that politically aware. Some are and that’s great, but most aren’t. She may not have said exactly what you wanted when you wanted it said, but she did say something. It may have been too tepid for you adults out there on the list, but not for an average teenager. You are all judging a little too harshly.

Janne on August 9, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    Janne, agree. I was pretty politically aware when I was 18 but having the guts to speak out stridently about my beliefs, um, not so much. When I did speak up, people chuckled, told me I was cute and made stupid jokes about becoming a lawyer, so I could make my living arguing. It takes a lot to not be intimidated at that age. Athletes aren’t all jugheads but one of that caliber usually has her focus on her sport and isn’t competing on Debate team. And as John said, most American teens couldn’t even find Israel on a map let alone know about Munich.

    Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 1:43 am

Olympic ideals have been commercialized
and bastardized by the IOC,and the pros who steal
Amateurism is an ideal sullied by sports agent
predators and apologists like DS.
Not enough flaming Jihadists to attack today?

piers fag hag on August 9, 2012 at 5:32 pm

the Italian team did more than Aly Raisman, ok

About 30 Italians were present at the ceremony, including Italy’s Minister of Sport, the heads of the Italian Olympic Committee and athletes in memory of the 11 athletes slain in the Munich Olympics 40 years ago

NBC sportscaster Bob Costas led an improvised tribute to the Munich victims as the Israeli athletes walked into Olympic Stadium on Friday night.

If only the us olympic comittee had done the same
Maybe Aly Raisman woukd have spoken out a lot earlier –

No one else said anything at all!

Aly Raisman is a proud Jew, Glorious and Spectacular

jean vercors on August 9, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    I guess bravery consists of making fairly weak remarks after the Olymnpics is almost over. That is like arriving when a party is almost over in order to snag some fruit punch. I think Debbie nailed it when she noted how it fit into a post-sports career speaking gig or for product endorsements.

    Worry01 on August 9, 2012 at 6:04 pm

Alexandra Raisman had an appropriate response.

By saying her gold medal-winning performance in the floor exercise was in part a memorial to the Israelis who perished long before she was born, Raisman gave us a genuine moment of Jewish pride that places the IOC’s shameful stand in perspective

JV: But she said no such thing. You did not read her comments. She stated that the music and her routine had nothing to do with the Israelis. DS

jean vercors on August 9, 2012 at 5:48 pm

    Aly Raisman could have ignored the Israeli athletes’ memory by choosing not to respond to a reporter’s question,

    she is only 18 and is the only INDIVIDUAL athlete ( among 10,000 ) who said at least something

    that why Some people called it “courageous.”

    in revenge, if i were you i would offer more remarks on the politics and cowardice behind IOC’s denial of Munich 11 memorial.

    the IOC is a corrupt and morally reprehensible body just like the UN

    What really matters now is that Israel’s friends and supporters, in high and low places all over the world, came out of the woodwork to not only pay their respects to 11 amazing individuals who lost their lives in 1972, but to further expose the shallowness and inexcusable culture of the IOC.

    jean vercors on August 9, 2012 at 7:39 pm

It was so muted and belated as to be nearly meaningless.

Worry01 on August 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm

When I recall how tunnel visioned I was when I was 18, I can’t criticize Aly for the strength of her statement.

Duck on August 9, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Last I checked, she played for the United States of America, not Israel.

Morton Sands on August 9, 2012 at 6:23 pm

Jeez, why are the Raisman defenders having a meltdown. For the millionth time, all Debbie is saying is that Raisman was not showing “chutzpah” or “courage.” There is zero down side for her response–which was simply not “courageous”–and some up side, having happened so late in the game. More basically, though, she responded out of reflex when asked a question.

Debbie is not attacking Raisman, just saying that the praise for Raisman’s political activism is pure nonsense. Only idiots or those jockeying for a position with Raisman could disagree with such a manifestly accurate assessment.

skzion on August 9, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Actually Debbie is attacking Raisman!
    “Where was Aly Raisman when it counted? Where was she BEFORE the Olympic Opening Ceremony, where any fitting memorial to the Israeli athletes and coaches needed to be? Why didn’t she speak up then, if it was so important to her, as she now claims? Now, with the Olympics almost over, it’s meaningless. Useless.”

    Debbie:For heaven sakes the girl is 18 years old. An 18 year old under tremendous pressure does not need publicity (good or bad) prior to the games! Before the Olympics began Aly was doing exactly what she was supposed to be doing – focusing, training and keeping her mouth shut. And she won 2 gold metals! Debbie, by winning the gold medal she is now she able to publicly make for a brief statement.
    Courageous, perhaps not. Meaningful – tremendously!

    Laurie J on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      Laurie, Debbie’s questions are relevant IF we are supposed to read great courage or chuzpah into this tepid rhetoric. I seriously think this is what Debbie is trying to convey.

      I cannot believe Debbie would have bothered covering this “event” if it hadn’t been turned into something it was not.

      I sometimes disagree with Debbie. But I totally applaud her efforts to make sure we are manipulated by partisan operatives. If you have integrity, consider this story from this perspective.

      If you lack integrity, forget I responded.

      skzion on August 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm

        Please see the following comment for the UPPERCASE correction. sorry

        skzion on August 9, 2012 at 10:27 pm

      Laurie, Debbie’s questions are relevant IF we are supposed to read great courage or chuzpah into this tepid rhetoric. I seriously think this is what Debbie is trying to convey.

      I cannot believe Debbie would have bothered covering this “event” if it hadn’t been turned into something it was not.

      I sometimes disagree with Debbie. But I totally applaud her efforts to make sure we are NOT manipulated by partisan operatives. If you have integrity, consider this story from this perspective.

      If you lack integrity, forget I responded.

      skzion on August 9, 2012 at 10:25 pm

“Sharia Olympics”, nice turn of phrase. Won’t be long before they turn the screws and demand female only stadiums at a subsequent olympics. The current arrangement obviously is discrimination against muslim women (two birds with one stone) in that they are forced to compete under handicap of (im)modest extra clothing if males are in the stadium.

Bronson on August 9, 2012 at 6:52 pm

I dunno. To me she is still a kid. A kid “is as they were raised”. I tend to put more blame on the parents for perhaps not making her keenly aware of history, the significance of the anniversary and the IOCs refusal to do any sort of acknowledgment/memorial.

Road Warrior on August 9, 2012 at 6:57 pm

I’m a big fan Debbie and I agree the this thing has been way overblown by the media. Attacking a young kid who has done flips 12 hours+ per day for her entire life is weaksauce on your part though. For someone so young, that attack may as well have been 1000 years ago and it is probably amazing that she is even aware that it happened. She’s not a Jewish activist that fell into being an Olympic gymnast, she’s a Olympic gymnast that got asked a question and basically said that it was a coincidence but kind of nice.

Pauley D on August 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm

To Debbie and those who agree with her:

What would you have done different than Aly? Remember, we are talking about a teenager who was put on the spot. She is also in a sport which gets almost 0 publicity outside of the Olympics. How many gymnatics competitions do you see on Television regularly? Maybe a few on ESPN but that’s all.

As a very proud Jew I am very glad that Aly identified herself as a Jew and remembered the slain athletes even if it was a bit late. Debbie, have you ever heard the term “better late than never”?

The only thing I hope is that the IOC will learn from this experience in the future, which I doubt, and maybe eventually hold a minute of silence for the slain Israelis.

PS: I didn’t watch the games this year due to their resistance to memoralize the Isrealis who were murdered in 1972 and because of the professionalism that has become so prevalant at the games. I am still hoping that one day we get a better group of people running the IOC who will reverse course and go back to the way it was where amataurs were the participants.

A Reader on August 9, 2012 at 7:28 pm

Well, if we excuse her obtuseness because of her age, we are faced with the question of why we give 18-year-olds the vote.

Little Al on August 9, 2012 at 7:37 pm

    That’s an excellent point, Al. Why DO you give 18 year olds the vote and call them adults but deny them the right to purchase alcoholic beverages because they “lack the judgement to drink responsibly?” From where I sit, the average American 18 year old is extremely immature and lacking in sound judgement. They should still be legally minors and denied the vote until 21. And don’t bring up the “they’re old enough to fight for their country” argument. The military is a highly structured and disciplined environment. The kids who go in as grunts are watched over and monitored and basically programmed to respond to a set of circumstances and strategies to cope with them. That’s why 18 year olds aren’t in command positions.

    Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 1:52 am

Little Al,

Just a note, voting is different. You can think out a vote before going to the polls if you choose to vote. This is an incident where a young teenager was put on the spot and I think she answered the question to the best of her ability.

A Reader on August 9, 2012 at 7:47 pm

I am not sure what she did wrong. She wasn’t asked the question before – so I don’t think she had an opportunity to get in anyone’s face about this. I think it was the fact that she earned a Gold medal that put her in a position to make a statement at all.
Debbie, I don’t know that what she did was courageous – but I would not call a young lady who has accomplished what she has a coward by any means.

Jim H on August 9, 2012 at 7:49 pm

DS: I don’t need to be a relative of one of the slain Israeli athletes to have moral authority. In fact, some relatives of slain Israeli athletes are far-left peaceniks. By your logic, their warped positions have moral authority by DNA. Absurd. DS

Complete strawman argument. I said you have no moral authority to question the actions of someone’s rememberance of the slain athletes no matter how small. And I used Weinberg, who is the son of one, to show that her gesture, no matter how small, was significant to him and appreciated. He also appreciated the Italian team gesture too. I said nothing about the relatives of the murdered athletes having any more moral authority outside of this issue. Nice try, but your argument is lame.

FrenchKiss on August 9, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    FK, do you think you could explain the concept of “moral authority,” according to you?

    Israel is full of so-called Holocaust survivors who are helping to murder Jews. Do I lack the moral authority to say such a thing?

    skzion on August 9, 2012 at 10:38 pm

      Actually, skzion, you do lack moral authority because you, a Jew, are sitting in the US opining rather than being on the ground here, actively opposing them.

      Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 1:55 am


        First, you have not explained what “moral authority” means, though you presume to intrude yourself while I am posing a question to someone else.

        Second, while I do not know what moral authority means, I can apply the nebulous concept to you own example. You betrayed your country by moving to Israel rather than helping to change things here. And yet you repeatedly opine on what we Americans should do. Obviously, you lack “moral authority” to do so.

        Third, you’re not doing diddley to improve Israel. In fact, almost no one there is. There has never been a serious movement to make Israel into a respectable, pro-Jewish democratic republic. And there won’t be.

        Finally, I admit to several shortcomings. One of them is a great impatience with willfully stupid smart people. I have explained to you more than once why I would never move to your self-made Auschwitz. I should not have to repeat myself yet again.

        skzion on August 11, 2012 at 4:33 pm

Well, “Reader”, if her statement was entirely extemporaneous, she is all the more to blame, for not having the sensitivity to think about her slain co-religionists of 40 years ago, and their dishonor by the Olympics.

But I don’t really think that 18-year-olds have any more difficulty with extemporaneous comments than their older counterparts. Both the consideration of voting for the best candidate and being able to respond extemporaneously in an adult way require the skills of maturity, and if one is lacking, it suggests that the other is lacking as well.

Although, thinking about it, I can’t blame most of the 18-year-olds who voted for Obama 4 years ago — after all, he increased their sponging off taxpayers by allowing them to stay on their parents’ (broadly defined) heath plans until they are 26, get increased food stamp benefits, increased forgiveness of student “loans”, increased unemployment benefits, and so on. Why wouldn’t they vote for that?

Little Al on August 9, 2012 at 8:28 pm

Debbie is right in that Aly did not set her floor exercise to be a memorial to the slain Israeli athletes. Raisman stated that she simply picked the music because she was Jewish, it’s her culture and the music itself was something that she could engage the audience in. She sympathized with the victims when asked by the reporters and the media made it out to be that her floor music was a deliberate tribute and was somehow sticking it to the IOC.

col on August 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm

“INTEGRITY” is doing the right thing when no one is looking. I did not watch any Olympics because of the decision of the IOC not to honor the memory of the Israeli athletes that were slaughtered in Munich. If this young lady had made a statement honoring those slain Israeli’s before the competition it would have been far different then making them afterwards, as if it were some kind of afterthought.

Naddy Bumpko on August 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm

Debbie I also noticed her version of Hava Negilah was barely recognizable and her trumped up statement was minimally supportive. But considering she grew up in a Reform synagogue it all makes sense. Reform is a barely recognizable form of Judaism that’s minimally supportive of Jews. Meanwhile you dare to post that video for the umpteenth time. B’H if we ever date you’ll pay for this provocation, hopefully while wearing that dress.

A1 on August 10, 2012 at 1:07 am

    A1, when did your parents first start “touching” you?

    skzion on August 10, 2012 at 3:01 am

      A1, when did your parents first start “touching” you?

      skzion on August 10, 2012 at 3:01 am


      Uncalled for.

      Miranda Rose Smith on August 10, 2012 at 4:34 am

        Beat it, Miranda.

        skzion on August 10, 2012 at 4:47 pm

          Miranda is the nicest cat lady I know.

          Boner on August 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm

          Beat it, Miranda.

          skzion on August 10, 2012 at 4:47 pm



          Miranda Rose Smith on August 12, 2012 at 5:29 am

          Miranda is the nicest cat lady I know.

          Boner on August 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm

          Tahks, but I’m not a cat lady any more. Both my cats are gone.

          Miranda Rose Smith on August 12, 2012 at 5:31 am

          Miranda is the nicest cat lady I know.

          Boner on August 10, 2012 at 5:00 pm

          Thanks, but I’m not a cat lady any more. Both my cats are gone.

          Miranda Rose Smith on August 12, 2012 at 5:31 am

          Miranda Rose Smith on August 12, 2012 at 5:34 am

          You should beat it because you are just an annoying concern troll whose main activity here is to pose as a moral arbiter. You have nothing interesting to say. You are, though, a p.i.t.a.

          skzion on August 12, 2012 at 11:59 am


    Have you ever been to a Reform Synagouge to know what the differences are? If so, I want to know what you think Reform means since I am sure that there are others on this board besides myself who are Reform. Also, isn’t it enough that we have anti-semitism among people who aren’t Jewish? Why are we fighting among ourselves based on religious differences?

    As far as “Hava Nagila” being played at sports events as well as Bar Mitzvahs and Jewish Weddings, I don’t really mind it either as Debbie and yourself seem to. Reason, it’s apparently become a part of American music now. No need to think of it as distinctivly as a Jewish folk song if we Jews know where it came from.

    Overall, I believe this thing has gone way out of porportion on this board. We should all support Aly as I have said earlier. Yes, she made her statement a bit late, but at the right time as well as she was most likely given some type of order from the American Olympic Committee not to say too much. Have any of you worked anywhere which you had to do something which you disagreed with just to keep your job?

    A Reader on August 10, 2012 at 11:29 am

I note that nowhere in this scathing criticism of a young girl, who did her best, does it mention that Aly Raisman is an ASHKENAZI Jew.

Note to Miranda Rose Smith: When Debbie criticized Alex Gilady, she made sure to mention that he is a “Sephardic Jew.” But her equally vitriolic criticism of this young girl doesn’t mention her Ashkenazi origins. Do you not understand why that is? It’s the difference between mentioning some one is an African American or simply an American.

Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 1:32 am

    Note to Miranda Rose Smith: When Debbie criticized Alex Gilady, she made sure to mention that he is a “Sephardic Jew.”

    Dear Italkit: You’re right. She did.

    Miranda Rose Smith on August 10, 2012 at 4:36 am

      Dear Italkit & Mrs. Smith:

      You would both make fantastic radical feminists. Don’t let this opportunity go by! Dworkin is dead; she needs to be replaced!

      skzion on August 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        Dear Italkit & Mrs. Smith:

        You would both make fantastic radical feminists. Don’t let this opportunity go by! Dworkin is dead; she needs to be replaced!

        skzion on August 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm


        I’d rather be a fantastic radical religious Zionist.

        Miranda Rose Smith on August 12, 2012 at 5:39 am

          I’d prefer this for you as well, Mrs. Smith, but it isn’t possible.

          skzion on August 12, 2012 at 11:50 am


    While you and I have had our differences I totally agree that if Debbie mentioned that Gladys was a Sephardic Jew she could have mentioned that Aly was an Akanazi (spelling?).

    A Reader on August 10, 2012 at 11:37 am

Oh, for goodness sakes! Most of the time I agree with you, but this is one of those times when there needs to be a governor on your observations and comments: SHE’S A TEENAGE GIRL FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. She is an athlete. An athlete is a very cloistered field. An American athlete. The mere fact that she recognized it and referenced it is head and shoulders more than . . . . oh, I don’t know . . . maybe EVERYONE ELSE involved in the 2012 Olympics did, tepid or not. Sometimes you’re wrong. Here, you’re wrong.

gmartinz on August 10, 2012 at 1:46 am

Dear Debbie: You say in your TV spot that the Israeli athletes, may the al-mighty avenge their blood, were murdered by PALESTINIAN terrorists. If you dig out the newspaper articles on the event, I believe you will find they were murdered by ARAB terrorists.

Miranda Rose Smith on August 10, 2012 at 2:04 am

I feel some metaphors coming on…

“It’s wiser to show meaning by saying nothing than by saying something that means nothing.”

“A coward is one who claims victory long after the battle was won by somebody else.”

And no offence, but the choice of “Hava Nagila” freaking SUCKED!

Patronizing. Condescending. Minstrel-ish. Insulting. Embarrassing. And simply lame.

I prefer “Jerusalem of Gold” – it’s a better choice than a tune that’s been played to death so much that al-Qaeda and Hizbullah are probably using it to whip their suicide bombers into a genocidal frenzy.

(This is what a bad day at work can do to a person. GO CANADA!)

The Reverend Jacques on August 10, 2012 at 3:31 am

Edelstein wrote Raisman an impassioned letter congratulating her for her victories and for giving Americans yet another reason to be proud.
In the letter, which was obtained exclusively by The Jerusalem Post, Edelstein said Israelis were moved by her performance and her recent statements.

“I am sure you know that beyond your wonderful personal achievement, you also brought great pride to millions of Jews in Israel and around the world,” Edelstein wrote. “For me personally, as the minister in charge of relations with Diaspora Jewry, hearing why you chose the song made me realize that the concept of Kol Israel Arevim Zeh Lazeh [All Jews are responsible for one another] still holds true and that the Jewish people remain united no matter how far apart we may live. I was impressed that someone so young made such a monumental, ethical decision.”

nothing to add:)

jean vercors on August 10, 2012 at 6:04 am

Debbie I can expect no more from an Jewish American to do. With Obama still riding high in the 60+ percentile for Jewish support, most Jewish Americans see us Israelis as nothing more than a great place to visit once under a “birthright” program. It takes much more to feel a Jewish soul and Jewish education is abysmal in the diaspora. The facts are she did more than other Jewish American athletes and somethings are better than nothing. Our news in Israel is usually fairly gloomy and we are rooting for all the Jewish athletes as ours bailed out. She gave us a good feeling and for that we can say thanks.

Fred on August 10, 2012 at 8:03 am

In a rare moment, I disagree. Don’t expect her to have the voice of a 35 year oldor a 50 year old. As an 18 year old girl, she said a lot more than most of those of power and wealth. She could not say anything before she competed, as the judges would have screwed her over in her routines. She said enough for people to notice.

She said more than the head of the Israeli Olympic Committee.

Jonathan E. Grant on August 10, 2012 at 8:32 am

    That’s right, Jon, and actually the amplification of it in the MSM with a positive spin, no less should be a welcome change from what we usually get. I’m starting to think Debbie has issues with any female who is ALSO as successful in her respective field and who is younger, cute and especially less blond than our esteemed blog moderator.

    Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 8:50 am

    She said more than the head of the Israeli Olympic Committee.

    how is that possible ?

    Israeli Olympic Committee Secretary General Efraim Zinger said

    The International Olympic Committee have a moral commitment to commemorate the 11 athletes, coaches and referees. Not because they were Israelis, but because they were Olympians and were murdered during the Olympic Games.

    jean vercors on August 10, 2012 at 8:51 am

      jean, because it’s NOT about them being Olympians, it IS about them being Israelis and since Aly was specific to that regard, she made a much more important statement.
      Zinger’s comment is a good reason why Israel and Jews from other countries should not even be participating in this Greco-pagan festival whose precursors were the proximate cause we had the Maccabee Revolt.

      Italkit on August 10, 2012 at 10:58 am


        I understand your feeling about Jews and Isrealis participating in the Olympics, but you should read up on the intention of the modern games.

        Like I said I didn’t watch this year for several reasons. One other that I can add is that I question the necessity for them these days and being a former member of a band (drummer) I wish we could have similar competitions in the Arts. I am not aware of an Olympics or similar types of events for various symphony orchstras or concert bands. Why not? If there are can anybody tell me of any?

        A Reader on August 10, 2012 at 11:43 am

Debbie, you are wrong on this one… very wrong. It also damages you by seriously undermining your position and powerful emotional investments in issues that do matter.

Arn on August 10, 2012 at 3:29 pm

You are without a doubt a sick, sick woman. Paranoid, and delusional, with a life devoid of joy.
For you to make a sick political statement on the accomplishment of an 18 year old child. Concerning an event that occurred over a GENERATION before her birth, just shows how deprived of soul you really are.
The state has always loved “useful idiots” like you so it can so it can implement it’s scheme of total power over the individual. You are what you claim to you claim to hate, a repressive Monster for state power, and it’s death machine. You are gleaming, bright cog in it infact.

DaRightRadical on August 10, 2012 at 9:27 pm

I think Aly Raisman did good job!

And do not forget at Floor Final Event where she won the Gold Medal, she beat two Jew Hater Contestant. The First was Catalina Ponor (The Romanian Orthodox girl from Romania)and Aliya Mustafina (a Muslim girl from Tatarstan, Russia). Geez, I’m happy She beat those two bastard!

Go Aly!

Shawn Johnson on August 11, 2012 at 10:02 am

Hi Debbie. Lookin’ good on the video:)

sean on August 11, 2012 at 1:18 pm

Too bad Debbie that the world is not as perfect as you are. Criticizing an 18 year old girl – good grief you really are a frustrated moron. As for skzion I remember you from another blog pimping some idiot who claims that Shimon Peres was behind Rabin’s assassination. NormanF. take your lips off of Schlussel’s ample tuches.

Priapus on August 13, 2012 at 5:24 pm

So, someone who names himself “Priapus” is giving moral guidance? As for “what you remember” from another blog … you lie. In fact, I have gone elsewhere as “sk,” so you wouldn’t have seen “skzion.” Nice try, probable Mooooslim.

skzion on August 13, 2012 at 6:06 pm

Were any of you out there gymnasts training for the Olympics?

Just a question.

As a gymnast MYSELF of almost 20 YEARS experience in all aspects of the sport: competing, coaching, judging, choreographing, etc.
I thought I’d pose this question… DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE A TEENAGE GYMNAST AT THE OLYMPICS? Have YOU ever trained for ANY SPORT 5-6 DAYS, ABOUT 30 HOURS A WEEK? Did YOU give up your childhood for days in the gym, breaking bones, tearing muscles, bleeding wounds (hand rips), OH YEAH! and that one other minute detail: mental pressure of knowing YOU were chosen to represent the USA for your GYMNASTIC SKILLS. and that if you failed at GYMNASTICS Were YOU fighting for

MD-Gymnast on August 15, 2012 at 2:37 am

(sorry, message got cut off)

My point is this: These gymnasts live, breathe, and eat gymnastics. The hyper-focus required for this sport (I only speak for gymnastics because I can’t speak for other sports) is astounding. Just describing the sickening, masochistic dedication is insulting to the sport. Really, only those who have been there and done that get what a mind-numbing sacrifice it is. If you go back and listen, most of those gymnasts didn’t even know what their OWN scores were on their events during the team competition! THAT is how tight their blinders are on.

It blows me away how easily some of you point the finger at this 18 year old girl, like she is somehow is “responsible” for something, yet I don’t know quite what she is responsible for. But I do know this: She is responsible for gymnastics competition. She signed up to represent the USA in gymnastics. She signed up to help get a gold metal for the team. And that’s what she did.

One last thing, Just to be sure, I’m assuming all of you self-righteous, Aly Raisman haters have made staunch attempts in your lifetime at fighting for there to be a tribute to those involved in the tragedy that happened in Munich, right? Oh, and at 18…and while flipping on a beam…as a matter of fact, you probably had your speech ready to go at 16 and held a press conference and brought the world to it’s knees with your moving and heart-felt tribute.

I only assume all of this since you are all clearly a better American than Aly.

Go ahead and take a second and think about what YOU were doing at 18. Then those without sin may cast the first stone.

MD-Gymnast on August 15, 2012 at 2:59 am

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