October 3, 2012, - 2:38 pm

Romney Pimps Immigration Amnesty, Says He’ll Stop Islamic Terrorism w/ MORE Arab Spring, “Dignity of Work”?!

By Debbie Schlussel

Between Barack Obama’s claims that Muslims stormed our embassies over an anti-Mohammed YouTube trailer, and Mitt Romney’s claims that it was about the lack of “the dignity of work” in the Islamic world, there’s so much rich fertilizer there, you could grow crops to feed all of Africa.

For those watching tonight’s Presidential debate, here are a couple of buffoonish, idiotic, dhimmi-esque, uninformed comments Mitt Romney already made (which you probably won’t see at the debate). On Monday, Romney (or his “ghostwriters”) wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, telling us how he’ll regain “respect” for America in the Middle East. It was ironic that the column was entitled, “A New Course for the Middle East,” when it was actually the same old crap Obama-Bush have served up for nearly 12 years. Romney said that the way he’d stop Islamic extremism and regain Middle East respect for America was by giving Muslims “more liberty” and “the dignity of work.” Is this putz for real?! Sadly, yes. And for many of you reading this, he’s YOUR putz. Thanks so much for this inept choice, people. Oh, and he also supported immigration amnesty for everyone here illegally. The Middle East and immigration are the two most important national security issues. And on these, he not only failed, but he matches–and even exceeds Obama–in being on the wrong side.

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using the full spectrum of our soft power to encourage liberty and opportunity for those who have for too long known only corruption and oppression. The dignity of work and the ability to steer the course of their lives are the best alternatives to extremism.

Are you kidding me?! This moron actually still believes the crap we heard since 9/11 about how Muslims are extremists, not because of their hateful, extremist religion, but because they don’t have jobs???? Um, do I need to remind Mitt Romney that Nidal Malik Hasan had a job, that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was from a very wealthy family and wasn’t in need of a job, that the 9/11 hijackers, including Mohammed Atta, came from rich families and that two of them were funded by the Saudi Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, that many of the Palestinian homicide bombers were lawyers, doctors, engineers–all fully employed? Does Mitt Romney really believe that the savages who stormed our embassies in several Muslim countries and murdered four Americans on the Benghazi consulate wouldn’t have done so . . . if they only had “the dignity of work”? What does he think this is–South Central Los Angeles (where “the dignity of work” doesn’t go over too well, either, but, at least, they aren’t jihadists)?


Here’s a tip, Mitt: they have jobs–they have the dignity of work. It’s called jihad. It’s called Al-Qaeda. It’s called Islam. They have jobs. And whether or not their job involves selling falafel or shoes or slaughtering U.S. Ambassadors, “the dignity of work” has NOTHING to do with the extremism of Islam that fuels this and always will. This has nothing to do with economics and jobs. Period.

And they have “liberty” imposed by Obama’s prior use of the “soft power” you talk of. That’s the problem. We need less of that, NOT more. We need less Arab Spring “liberty,” NOT more of it. Geez, hasn’t Romney picked up a paper and read about the world on fire because of the “liberty” these Muslims were given through the “soft power” of America? G-d, what a dummy. It’s Obama minus the tan (and perhaps the brain, too).

In the same op-ed, Romney goes on and on about how he will make sure that when America says Iran’s nukes are unacceptable, they will believe us. But he doesn’t say how he will do that differently than Obama. And that’s because he already told ABC’s David Muir that he supports the same old Obama-Bush “diplomacy and sanctions” that don’t work because, he insists, “they are starting to work.” Um, NO. THEY. AREN’T.

Then, there are Romney’s comments to the Denver Post, in which he said he would not only affirm Barack Obama’s DREAM Act Amnesty, but would–as he’s always said, since lying and winning the GOP nomination, impose “immigration reform” that would provide amnesty for them and a gazillion other illegal aliens here.

This crap will NOT win him any Hispanic votes. It merely shows, he’s the same old flip-flopper he always was. On which end of the flip-flop will we be when it all shakes out? With Mitt Romney, we already saw on which side when he was Governor of Massachusetts. And, now, we see it again. This guy who already lost to the guy who lost to Obama the first time, isn’t helping his campaign by serving as the John McCain echo chamber four years later. Either way, we Americans who care about borders and national security are screwed. And if you don’t care about those things, you are a moron and definitely not a conservative.

If Romney loses the election (and he probably will), will the Republican Party finally wake up and notice that nominating a Democrat-lite doesn’t win centrist votes and elections? People won’t choose fake Obama, when they can have the real thing. And conservatives won’t rush to go out and vote for a fake conservative who mirrors Obama on immigration, Arab Spring, Iran, and too many other things.

John McCain went down to defeat for that. And don’t be surprised when Romney does, too. It’s not just that he’s running a horrible campaign.

It’s that he, himself, is a horrible candidate and doesn’t give Americans much of an alternative to the crappy guy they’ve already chosen.

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“Soft power” = my tax dollars being frittered away to muslims to use for more creative ways to try to kill me and make my world and my kids’ more frightening and uncertain.

DS_ROCKS! on October 3, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Romney should not be copying or following suit with Obama’s mistakes. Barring an October surprise or a “false flag” stunt, this kind of stupidity is the biggest danger to Romney.

RT on October 3, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Mitt Happens will probably lose – your feeling is the same as mine.

I said throughout the year I won’t vote for a liberal! This guy has given me no compelling reason to vote for him. And most Americans would probably agree with you and me – as bad as Obama is, this flip-flopper pretending to be a Republican is even worse.

I’m staying home in November and this is the first presidential election in which I’m not voting. Mitt Happens makes John McCain look like a conservative.

If he loses as it appears he will, its no thanks to the GOP elite who foisted him upon the party and the country.

And I don’t think tonight’s debate will change the outcome in November. I care about this country and Mitt Happens just demonstrated why he’s not to be trusted with our country’s top job.

We need a moron like him like we need? Add it all up – and Mitt Flipfloppney showed us he does not get it on illegal immigration, Islam,the Arab Spring, Iran and things too numerous to count – none them being positions that are conservative. This conservative has no reason to care what happens next month.

NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 3:03 pm

WTF is wrong with you people? Yeah, Romney ain’t the perfectly pure candidate, but he’s not a Marxist Jew-hating thug that Obama is. First we have to deal with the immediate threat to our liberty in this country. And that threat is coming straight from the White House, the DOJ, the HHS, and DHS. You are so f__king stupid to keep bashing Romney when he is not a threat to any of us. He’s no conservative, and he’s not too bright when it comes to “Islam is evil” paradigm, but WTF? You gonna vote for Hitler like a lot of stupid Jews did in Germany? Or are you gonna vote to stop the worst threat to the Jews since Adolf Hitler?????? Schlussel, you are contantly defending Israel and the Jews, when are you gonna wake-up and smell the coffee? Does a Jew-hater and Israel-hater trump some naive businessman or not? If Obama is re-elected you better not complain about his policy toward Israel and the Jews.

FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    French Kiss,

    Your foolish rant does nothing more than provide good quotes to be used by Islamic apologists and dhimmis to discredit those of us who are legitimately trying to warn Americans of the danger Islamists pose to this country and the world.

    Obama is certainly not a great friend of Israel,but to call him a Jew-hater and compare him to Hitler is industrial-strength stupidity.

    Scott on October 3, 2012 at 8:58 pm

FK,

Between two liberals who endorse the same policies, there is not much of an alternative.

Romney is losing cuz he’s pushing bad ideas and he’s a horrible candidate. He has no real principles and there isn’t anything that he would do differently from Obama.

Whether he wins or loses is beside the point. Nothing is going to change no matter who wins the White House in November. And the American people are a lot smarter than they are given credit.

They can see that Mitt Happens is Obama minus the tan and the eloquent rhetoric. Fixing that impression tonight is going to be for Mitt Happens a tall order, indeed.

NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    You are an uninformed, low information voter. There is a HUGE difference between Romney and Obama. Its so f–kin obvious. If you can’t see it, then you are blind. The bottomline is, if you think this country is in trouble now (and it is), then 4 more years of Obama will break our economy, our court system, our Constitution, our healthcare, and push this country over the financial cliff. None of you, especially Schlussel, is aware of what lies ahead with obama as president. And since Schlussel considers herself “a high information” voter, that’s even more pathetic. Do the patriots of America a favor and don’t vote, okay? Just stay home.

    FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 4:12 pm

      FK,

      I have my reasons for not voting for Flipfloppney. Other people may feel different. Maybe he’ll demolish Obama in the debates. Anything can happen. So far I’ve no reason to change my mind. We’ll see how this one in my home state of Colorado turns out tonight.

      NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    FrenchKiss, it would be nice if all we had to do to help set this nation in a new a better course would be to just “wake-up and smell the coffee” and just recognize that Romney is the “lesser of two evils”–to use another popular pertinent phrase. If you have followed Debbie’s columns and regular posters here, such as Norman, you would know that we are all quite awake and understand what is going on.

    However–and although I obviously can’t speak for everyone–many of us here don’t think in terms of simple “brands” and robotically conclude that “Republican good, Democrat bad.” Rather, many posters here have looked beneath the label and analyzed the genuine “contents” offered by the respective Obama and Romney brands. And, unfortunately, the conclusion many of us have reached is that while there are differences between the two brands, on many of the important issues, it’s like comparing the ingredients of Coke to Pepsi.

    You focus, for example, on the issue of Israel and suggest that Obama is bad for Israel and Romney will be good for Israel. Ah, if that conclusion were true, we might be able to better distinguish the brands. But alas, that is not the case. Although it is true that Romney has had good personal relations with Netenyahu for decades, as they both worked at the Boston Consulting Group after completing graduate business school (Romney at Harvard and Netenyahu at MIT), that level of friendship does not translate into better foreign policies. As Debbie has clearly pointed out, Romney is not even TALKING a good game plan for foreign policy–and that does not bode well for any subsequent actions if he were elected president.

    On another of Debbie’s columns, I had posted news that John McCain had openly SUPPORTED Obama’s desire to provide heavy financial aid to Egypt and Libya–who are NO friends of the USA, and, obviously are Israel’s enemies. McCain verbally LASHED OUT against conservatives who opposed giving American money to America’s enemeies. McCain, for all intents and purposes agrees 98% with Obama’s foreign policy plan, and I’m being generous with aloting him the 2% difference. Romney promises to be identical to McCain, and therefore, virtually identical to Obama. The differences, if any, are largely rhetorical, not substantial. But, as Debbie has demonstrated, even though talk is cheap, McCain and Romney STILL can’t manage to take even a VERBAL conservative position that strongly supports America’s and Israel’s security.

    Ralph Adamo on October 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm

Listen, do you prefer Romney to Obama? If so, you have to hold your nose and vote Romney. He does have Bolten on the team.

Adam on October 3, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Hey Debbie – You could at least let us _pretend_ this election is meaningful.

Since you insist on telling it like it is and will not allow you readers to keep their heads in the sand what are we supposed to do?

For those of you who don’t get it, the above is not a criticism of Debbie. It is a sarcastic reflection on the sad state of affairs we are in. Debbie is just the messenger and I don’t advocate shooting the messenger.

I_AM_ME on October 3, 2012 at 3:44 pm

To add to the list of Romney’s nitwit positions, recently when confronted with his 47% comment, he said that the way to solve the ‘problems’ of the 47% of freeloaders is to get jobs for them47% by strengthening the economy.

Aside from being Pollyanish, 99.9% of them don’t want jobs, they just want to keep mooching off our money.

But he is running a one-issue campaign, and these positions represent his commitment to a one-issue campaign about the economy. But he is telling us what he will do as President, and anyone who is not able to understand his honesty is a fool.

FK reminds me a little of Michael Medved a few years ago. The ‘folks’ in Gaza voted for Hamas because of the economy too, because they wanted jobs. Kind of consistent with the present lunacy about the Arab Spring (like a monster springs out of the ground.)

Romney will fight Michele Bachman harder than he will Obama, Hamas, or Iran. He does not deserve our vote.

Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm

LA vomited: FK reminds me a little of Michael Medved a few years ago. The ‘folks’ in Gaza voted for Hamas because of the economy too, because they wanted jobs. Kind of consistent with the present lunacy about the Arab Spring (like a monster springs out of the ground.)

I have no idea what this incoherent post is supposed to mean. But if you are suggesting that I want people to vote for Romney only because of the economy, that is pure bullsh!t.

FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

And like many trolls without intelligence, FK things that using obscenity is a substitute for intellectual content. There is not even a pretense of intellectual content in this person’s comments.

They add nothing to the discussion on this site, and (s)she should be treated accordingly.

Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 4:15 pm

    I’ll gladly compare IQs sweetheart. If you wanna debate what’s at stake in this election, I can easily run circles around you. But, if you wanna just whine about how Romney is clueless, then you must be a member of the Debbie Schlussel Cutting-Off-My-Nose-To-Spite-My-Face Fan Club. Good luck with that Einstein.

    FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 4:20 pm

      It seems that the intellectually challenged nitwits that spew forth on this site have some sort of psychological need to assert their high IQs. Reminds me of Joshua’s supposed 160 IQ a few days ago. (and there should be a comma between ‘that’ and ‘Einstein’ so it is clear that ‘that’ doesn’t refer to Einstein.)

      But I guess FK’s comments do have a sort of value; they show us that at least some of Romney’s supporters are no different from Obama’s — they are the sort of people who would yell and scream just like the lunatics in Greece, Madison, and the Redshirt thugs of the Chicago Teachers Union.

      Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 4:24 pm

        The Romneybots are not all that different from the Palinbots. There are people who blindly support a candidate without looking at his character and the solutions he offers us. G-d gave us brains and we should use them. When the Emperor Wears No Clothes, there is a lot of truth in it. I’m a conservative but I’m not a blind partisan. All I want is America to be turned around. With the way things are going, we’ll be lucky if that happens. Its a lot to bet the farm that Romney has only sold swing voters a bunch of bull that he needs to get elected and he’ll surprise us in office.

        If all it was pandering to the lowest common denomination, Debbie would be willing to give Romney a pass – this is in the nature of politicians. But she thinks there is a lot more to it than that and people need to wake the heck up and begin paying attention. That’s true regardless of what happens in the presidential debate tonight – and during the rest of the 2012 presidential campaign.

        NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:14 pm

      FrenchKiss, sweetie, you’re acting like a troll. There are plenty of participants with a high IQ on this blog, I assure you. But some are acting badly.

      In addition, there is something called “having a memory.” The reasons for not turning out for Romney have been developed by several people here, myself included. I based my reasoning on a spatial model of elections, which you would know about if you had formal training in elections and public opinion, as I have.

      skzion on October 3, 2012 at 7:55 pm

      FK –

      Can you name ONE conservative position Mitt Happens has taken since the GOP Convention?

      If you can’t, there is no good reason for people to want the alternative. If nothing is going to change, why bother? More of the same is not what America needs.

      And the policies Debbie outlined today that Mitt Happens has embraced would be disastrous for our country and in your heart you know that I am right.

      I loathe Obama as much as you do but if Romney isn’t giving us much of a choice – this won’t be the most important presidential election of our lifetime – no matter what the Romneybots like yourself are fond of telling us over and over again ad nauseum.

      NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:03 pm

        SMALLER GOVERNMENT.
        LESS REGULATION.
        NO TAX INCREASES.

        There’s THREE conservative positions. Anymore silly questions?

        FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 8:30 pm

          FK,

          With his last commercial to the 47% who he famously said will never vote for him, he somehow missed the opportunity to bring up those positions you mentioned.

          Yeah – and he also wants to repeal and replace ObamaCare and this happens to be the same guy who brought us the widely detested MassCare.

          The number of swing voters who haven’t made up their minds yet are astonishingly small and those who haven’t are complete morons.

          I guess its to the bottom of the barrel both candidates seek to appeal to a month before Election Day.

          NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:44 pm

Let’s face it, so few know the facts because they blindly follow the so-called Conservatives (the usual suspects) on the radio and TV. I understand their desire to jettison Obama-Putin, but acting like Romney is the be-all, end-all is eye-rollingly retarded to me. So many do it. I think we should know by now that’s a losing game.

On the un-informed Liberal (redundant!) side, they think good, ole, Flip Floppney is the most right-winger candidate born (if only!). Just this am I heard a short interview with and “undecided” voter who thought he had a choice between getting rid of the crap economy (Obama-Putin) or voting for fewer rights (Romney…I assumed the guy was gay…which made me laugh because gays have only gained and gained acceptance for decades now…I can’t think of any rights gays have lost or will lose…). What a dope!!!!

And let me add, Mitt Romney is NOT anti-gay. In fact, if you know the valid arguments of Gregg Jackson and Alan Keyes (who refuse to vote for Romney) than you’ll see there is NOTHING anti-gay about Mitt Romney. The gays should celebrate his contributions to their agenda (especially in Massa(hole)chusetts. It’s a laugh (Didn’t “Hall & Oates” have a cute song with that title????)!!!!

Anyway, let the false meme take over (that Romney is a uber-Conservative!!!)! That mental-case Cat Power (Chan Marshall) was donning a “Mitt Zombie” T-Shirt in an article. Now, I like the name but you know SHE was not wearing it as I would wear it. You just know she HAAAAATES him because he is a super-Republican. PUH-LEEZE. Ignorance uber alles for the stupid, crazy and uninformed!

Skunky on October 3, 2012 at 4:23 pm

Does Romney have Muslim Brotherhood advisors on his campaign team like your boy Obama did? You’re insane Schlussel.

FU: Yes, Romney does have Muslim Brotherhood advisers on his campaign. If you had bothered to read this site over the last several months, you’d know that the Muslim Brotherhood’s two highest paid lobbyists–James Baker and Henry Kissinger–are his two top Middle East advisers. And you’d know that the Brotherhood’s Grover Norquist (who single-handedly got the Bush White House to hire an Al-Qaeda operative and got other Muslim Brotherhood guys top jobs at Homeland Security under Bush) is a top supporter and that John Sununu–who openly questioned the patriotism of America’s Jews and of America’s Israel supporters–is his top surrogate. If that doesn’t bother you, then you are a moron and shouldn’t vote. Obama doesn’t pretend on these things. Romney does, and that makes it even more dangerous. You question my sanity. The problem for you here is that I am both very sane and entirely knowledgeable on this topic. And that you are neither. When Mitt Romney gives amnesty to tens of thousands of Muslim illegal aliens in our midst, pls tell me how Obama’s advisers are gonna matter much. DS

FedUp on October 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    There’s always Grover Norquist. And Debbie has written for years about all the Muslim Brotherhood advisers, members and stooges who support and shill for the Republicans.

    And i now see that Romney has committed himself to raising taxes for the middle class, just in time for the debate. Limit middle class deductions, even smaller deductions for the ‘wealthy’, just like the little socialists want. And of course for the moochers, the deductions would be the greatest.

    So even on his core issue of the economy, he is veering towards socialism, just like on health care, immigration, foreign policy, and affirmative action.

    And I guess name-calling and obscenity are all the Romney supporters on this site seem to have; they certainly cannot make any substantive arguments for this liberal.

    Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 4:36 pm

I like to read the posts of Little Al & FrenchKiss. And I think you both have very valid points….points that have many of us stuck in the middle (where we normally would NOT vote for Mitt Romney but we are this time due our backs REALLY being up against the wall).

Trouble is we do not have a true Conservative to pick.

And although many of us (a few years back) gave up on voting for the “lesser of two evils” (which is why I am NOT voting for Scott Brown but will most likely vote for Mitt Romney…) we didn’t know how quickly things would go so downhill and get so dire (under the Obama-Putin Regime…who had help from his predecessors).

I feel like the old “let it get so bad a Conservative will eventually be voted in” has been proven FALSE under the regime of Obama-Putin. I believed it once but don’t any longer. We have seen that with the advent of Obama-Putin and Nov 6 will bring us to the precipice.

That said I think Little Al & FrenchKiss have both made cogent points and it just further proves we are in a terrible place and we’ll see Nov 7th what happens.

Skunky on October 3, 2012 at 4:41 pm

Regardless of what either presidential candidate would do or says he would do, the jobs are not coming back, because they were fake housing-bubble jobs in the first place.

Romney isn’t the magical job fairy.

The evidence is there for all to see. But the darkness in Washington is too great. So America will go right on enabling terrorists, keep apologizing for every little offense, real or imagined, and then be left to wonder why these barbaric attacks won’t stop.

Donald on October 3, 2012 at 4:47 pm

Here is the one reason why Obama will win this election.

Obama is the “devil we know”. People know his capability, showmanship, charisma.

Hitler had those same qualities as well.

Romney – with his waffling and double-/triple-/quadruple-dealings, appears to be one big question-mark; we Canucks know that he would be good for business up here, but that’s just the extent of it.

So between the big question-mark and the devil we know, the choice appears to be clear.

Be grateful that there is a 2-term limit for the US presidency: in Canada, we had 20+ years of Obama-cratic rule. Look what good it did for us.

HEIL OBAMA!

The Reverend Jacques on October 3, 2012 at 5:18 pm

I think the real lesson here is easy to miss, democracy is as much a farce in the States (and the West as a whole) as it is in the Middle-East and the Muslim world in general, albeit for different reasons entirely.

Even if Romney weren’t such a dhimmi, let’s say Allan West was the candidate rather or someone similar, how can one man, even if he is the president, override the dhimmi State Dept, the lying media across the board, the academic and university establishment, Congress etc? He can’t, no matter who he is. And would you want him to, that is having dictatorial powers? The expectation that one man is supposed to single handedly solve all your problems is delusional and reflects on a lack of personal responsibility and a kind of messianic belief system, but that’s a whole other thing.

Larry in Tel Aviv on October 3, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Larry In Tel Aviv,

    I’m not expecting Romney to be perfect. I do expect him to have principles and to govern like a true conservative.

    There is nothing wrong with demanding high standards be met by a presidential candidate. Its not like people ask the GOP presidential nominee to acquire superhuman powers.

    We only want him to live up to our values. That I don’t think is asking a lot of a President of a superpower.

    NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 7:52 pm

      NormanF, Larry is worth ignoring. He does not have any integrity and just says things to make himself look wise. Of course, he fails, as with this latest bit of nonsense.

      If the US’s democratic republic were as laughable as Israel’s oligopolistic quasi-Bolshevik regime, we would now have Carter as Minister of Defense.

      skzion on October 3, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    Skunky, this is the “Larry” whose posts I would not read on Israel National News. He was the worst of the worst–and that takes doing.

    skzion on October 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm

    Larry, I see the “Larry in Tel Aviv” vs. “SK” debate continues unabated here with the exception that apparently he IS reading your posts here. I happen to agree with your perspective in this one and SK, for the record, it’s not a debate over US vs. Israel politics. Israel could have the absolutely worst (and it’s pretty close) system in the world, that wouldn’t change anyone’s outsider insights. Sometimes someone less invested emotionally can be more objective about what they’re observing. We are probably going to have elections here in Feb. I don’t even know if I’m going to vote here either because of the mess and no faith in any of the parties. Eli Yishai has actually done some good things as Interior minister so Rav Ovadia’s politics aside, SHAS may be my choice if it keeps a good man in the cabinet. We’re going to wind up with a coalition again anyway. But I digress.
    I happen to think Obama is the best thing to happen to Israel in a long time because, WAIT! KEEP READING… it will get ugly for Jews in the US and elsewhere and they will finally see they have to stand with Israel or perish. Living the good life in the US and voting for anti-semitic, anti-Israel candidates is not standing for Israel, I don’t care how much you give your local Federation. There is not ONE American politician who is good for Israel and that’s actually not a bad thing for the US. As long as they don’t actually curse Israel, you’ll be safe but I think it’s too late, actually. All of them have done so, directly or indirectly.

    Italkit on October 4, 2012 at 4:59 am

      Italkit, I was only reading ol’ Larry to clarify whether this was the same Larry that I told Skunky about.

      As for Tel Aviv Larry’s “analysis,” you can agree with it all you want, but his point is that the US’s system is no better than Israel’s, or Egypt’s for that matter. This is absurd.

      It’s unlikely that Israel will benefit from Obama. Hussein is more personally anti-Semitic than Mittens. But there is just no chance that Dem elites will piss off Jews, who are a core constituency and who fund the Dems very heavily. It’s also unlikely that Israel would benefit from more Jews–half of world Jewry is more than enough. Stop blaming US Jews for Israel’s problems.

      Finally, I have no obligation whatsoever to “stand with Israel.” You moved there; you have an obligation to improve the place. Your politicians curse Israel all day long. That is why the next Holocaust will be there.

      skzion on October 4, 2012 at 8:23 pm

I don’t think the basic nature of stating that those with jobs and opportunity provide a less susceptible recruiting ground for terrorists is off base. That is probably true, but Debbie makes the most valid point that independent of financial and social condition, Islamism begets radicals from all walks of life. Governments have to reject, counter and even fight those interpretations of Islam that live openly within their midst. Until they do, you will continue to see Islamists recruiting from all social strata from within the Mosque. Takema look at the governments that tightly controlled the messages of radical Islamists and see how few of the terrorists emanated from their countries. On the other hand, look at countries that openly advocate brands of Islam using incendiary rhetoric. Soft power can be a part of an approach, but the key will be to have countries recognize that radical Islam isn’t just some form of a free expression of religion, but rather a threat to all societies. Calling for the overthrow of a goverment and an attack on the West is not a sermon, but sedition and war.

Please on October 3, 2012 at 5:25 pm

@ NormaF “And the American people are a lot smarter than they are given credit.”

I can’t agree with you, there, Norman. These are the same American people who voted in Frank Marshall Davis Jr. in four years ago.

DS_ROCKS! on October 3, 2012 at 6:23 pm

DS ROCKS,

Given what we now know about John McCain, it seems to me we would gotten an older Obama in office – who still have fellated the Muslim Brotherhood and fathered the Arab Spring.

You seem to miss the point: the lesser of two evils will never bring us the change we need and deserve in this country. And we can do much, much better – if only we insist upon it.

NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 7:43 pm

Boys and Girls, if you really think that there is no significant difference between Romney and Obama, then do a write in vote for Darth Vader (or Cthulhu). I used to have campaign buttons for both of them (the former came out years before the latter), the motto was “Why settle for the LESSER EVIL?”

I will be voting for Romney. I do not like him at all (heck, I’m from NH, I remember him from when he was governor of MA) but I consider him much better than Obama.

One, the economy will rebound if he is elected. The main reason it is so bad now is that no sensible CEO will spend money on anything that is not critical, when they do not know what absurd anti-busness regulations will come out next. They won’t worry about that under Romney.

Two, Romney may be (or is) a nit-wit on foreign policy, but he cannot be worse than Obama. Once Obama doesn’t have to worry about re-election, he will almost certainly gut ABM defense, cut our nuclear forces to the bone, and continue to reduce American power. I doubt that Romney will.

Three, if Obama gets a chance to replace one of the pro-consitution members of the supreme court, he will try to appoint a serious leftist to the court. This would have severe effects on many things, including second amendment rights. Romney may not be a big supporter of the second amendment, but I doubt that he would try to destroy it, like Obama wants to.

Four, the DOJ is out of control and racist. I do not believe this would be the case under Romney.

Last, Obama is an anti-semite, racist, anti-american leftist. Romney is not.

So I will be “holding my nose” but I will be voting for Romney in November.

Those of you who cannot do that, I urge to not skip the election. Vote for a third party candidate or do a write in. That expresses disgust with both major candidates much more effectively than not voting at all.

A.Mark Ratner on October 3, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    This ^

    Too bad, the “independent thinkers” here don’t THINK.

    FrenchKiss on October 3, 2012 at 8:36 pm

      FK – I *DO* think.

      I look at both sides of the picture and I don’t blindly embrace someone just because he wears the party label.

      Anyway, I always thought its MY country right or wrong and not MY party right or wrong.

      The true patriot isn’t a sheep.

      NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Well, A. Mark Ratner uses the common, and irritating debate tactic of saying that anyone who disagrees with him is not an adult. So, unlike a few obnoxious so-called conservatives, instead of explicitly saying this, he begins with the expression ‘boys and girls’ suggesting that they aren’t adults. Just as irritating.

    We’ve seen the people Republicans have appointed to the Supreme Court — starting with Roberts, but including O’Connor, Brennan, Souter, so the argument about Republicans appointing judges who respect the constitution has lost validity.

    Foreign policy — an unsupported assertion that Romney will do better. Bolton is there just to win votes, and anyway, he supported the Arab Spring (sic).

    The economy? How will he improve it? Some version of Romneycare? All the things he says he will do to show how caring he is? No anti-business regulations? I haven’t heard Romney directly criticize the bailouts, the farm bill, food stamp wastage, welfare cheaters, etc.

    And A. Mark Ratner used to take absurd positions (implying that anyone who opposes him is absurd) before he ‘grew up’ and supported Romney. Typical of Fox News demagogues. Wouldn’t surprise me if he is a Fox News employee or hanger-on.

    And the unsupported assertion that DOJ would improve? Why, because he says so? Will it improve by fighting illegal immigration?

    And with Romney’s positions on the Mideast, he might as well be anti-Semitic and anti-American, because that is the effect of his positions.

    Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 10:44 pm

      I saw the debate tonight and my impression – its a draw.

      Which usually helps the incumbent. I’m not sure why the Romney camp is feeling like they won one.

      There are two debates left this month. With Romney saying he thinks the wealthy should pay more and we don’t need to reform entitlements, I think he missed a chance to tell the country to get back to its founding principles.

      Mitt Happens is a decent nitwit but that’s all. He needed to do much more to convince the American people to vote out the incumbent President.

      That’s my score for tonight’s debate in Denver.

      NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 11:04 pm

    And let’s not forget Bush II’s spendthrift ways, and socialist redistribution of Government money (income tax rebates, but only for lower-income people).

    And it would be wise for you, Mr. Ratner, to treat people on this site as adults. Your snarky debate tactics, mostly at the beginning of your post, are obnoxious and offensive.

    Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 11:01 pm

      LA,

      You just saw my write up on the debate.

      Mitt Happens is not Ronald Reagan. It was a gracious and substantive debate between him and Obama but whether Americans have warmed up to him any more than they did before – we’ll see.

      We live in a country in which conservatives outnumber liberals two to one and yet our dislike of change paradoxically benefits Obama.

      And the swing voters – they usually go for the challenger but this year might be one of those exceptions when the incumbent wins despite a bad economy – FDR did it back in 1936.

      NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 11:10 pm

        Yes, Norman, I heard part of the debate because I was driving, and had to listen to something. Romney is a liberal, and the fact that he broke even with the worst president in US history, a man who has wrecked the country domestically as well as internationally, testifies to his liberalism and incompetence.

        If this is what he does as a campaigner, it is painful to think what he will do if elected. He doesn’t really disagree very much with Obama, that’s the problem. Just like Akin made a remark and has spent the rest of the campaign backing away from it and apologizing, Romney will spend the rest of the campaign apologizing for his truthful 47% remark, and showing he is ‘compassionate’, i.e. liberal and a spendthrift. We don’t need someone like that.

        Look at how ‘conservative’ officeholders are wrecking and have wrecked Europe in recent years. Do you really think Romney will be any different?

        Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    And finally, ARM, you had the gall to assert that Romney wasn’t anti-semitic or anti-American, after Debbie had made clear the amount of influence the Muslim Brotherhood has on his campaign. Reminds me of the arguments the hacks on Fox News, the WSJ and Weekly Standard make.

    Little Al on October 3, 2012 at 11:11 pm

The only positive reason to vote for Mitt Happens as you rightfully reminded us – is he has to face the voters again. Obama won’t.

That’s the principal reason nitwit or not – is why Debbie is reluctantly voting for him because while he can screw things up, at least he will be constrained in what he can do in office while he is seeking re-election.

We may still be screwed either way but its something to keep in mind when you watch the debate tonight.

NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 8:24 pm

What all of us here share in common is the dream of a candidate able to express views that in the real world would make his election an impossibility; indeed, make his nomination in either major party an impossibility.

The better choice we’re invariably offered, dictated by reality’s necessity, is a candidate chipped, cracked, and never close enough to our liking to warrant much enthusiasm.

Not until hockey is played in hell will we be presented with a candidate who meets with our unqualified support.

To those who find it too difficult to vote Romney, try this for motivation: Imagine Obama’s reelection and having to witness the spectacle of having to watch him bask, and grin, and exult; and that’s the least of our suffering.

lee, of the lower case "l" on October 3, 2012 at 8:29 pm

After tonight’s debate (which was an annoying bore-fest) it makes me think that Obama-Putin is gonna get his 2nd term.

Romney was tepid and not strong and Obama-Putin did what he does best…lie and say a bunch of crap that sounds good to the uninformed and like “glurb, blurb, flurb, nerb” to everyone else.

I went to see “Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy” and I can’t tell you what was more painfully boring…the film (which had superb actors) or the bore-fest debate. I want to do today all over again!!

AGAIN…I didn’t listen to DS’ review (not that I ever doubted it…it was in my head when we decided to go…) and paid dearly for it. Her reviews stand up!

Skunky on October 3, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    Skunky,

    If you like a thoughtful debate – it was one that showed the differences between Mitt Happens and Obama aren’t that wide cuz they are philosophically the same. They hold the same view of the world.

    And that disappoints people who looked for a KO tonight. I have to add that I agree with you the draw means Obama is left standing and all the mindless conservative lumpenproletariat who think the political winds have shifted, I think they are fooling themselves.

    I called it like I saw it and truthfully, the remaining debates won’t change the direction of this election in its last days. People who already made up their minds are not going to take a second look at this race.

    Just my 2 cents worth of observation.

    NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 11:18 pm

      Norman, I can’t disagree with it. It was very disappointing. Not because I thought Mitt Happens was capable but because Obama-Putin’s record SHOULD deliver any opponent a TKO.

      Also, did anyone catch that Mitt Zombie IS going to try to establish National Health Care but under the auspices of the individual states? Not many Conservatives are talking about that but when I was listening to it and he alluded to it the figurative record scratched.

      Norman, I totally understand why you and others are NOT voting for Romney and I don’t think you’re wrong. I appreciate and understand your reasons (same ones as Gregg Jackson & Alan Keyes) and I would prolly do the same but I just have to do what I can to get Obama-Putin out…and that means probably holding my nose and voting for that Liberal Mitt Romney. I am not happy about it.

      It’s hard to describe but I know you are not wrong but I feel I have to do what I can do. I am less sure I should vote for him after this debate this evo.

      Especially with all the Conservatives thinking Mitt won so easily. Sorry, I can’t buy that because that is NOT what I heard.

      Skunky on October 3, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Muslims show what they really think about dignity of work in countries where they have enough money. How many Saudis, Kuwaitis, Qataris, Emiratis has one read about in the context of a good work ethic?

The only difference b/w them, and have-not Muslims like Egyptians, Pakis, Palis, Libyans & so on – they have the cash and can therefore pretend that they earned it – despite it being all an accident of geology, as Hugh Fitzgerald used to describe it. Had they not had oil, they would have been no different.

Also, despite all their appeals to Islam, they just show what a bunch of hypocrites they are. W/ all the $10T they have been getting since the 70s, if they really cared, they could have, instead of importing non-Muslim workers from India, Sri Lanka, Philippines, et al, benefited just their fellow Muzzies. They could have taken in all Palis and solved the Pali homeland issue and their own labor shortage problems simultaneously. Just taking in all Palis and Egyptians would have given them enough of an Arab back-up, in case they didn’t want something else to replace Arabic as their most popular language. Following that, they could have taken in only Muslim workers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, et al, given them citizenship and solved their labor shortage completely. No need to force infidels there to follow Islamic laws like not eating in public during Ramadhan – they’d have had a 100% Muslim population already doing that.

But no, not that one didn’t know it already, but they don’t care about fellow Muzzies even after they’ve converted them. We saw how much relief they gave Pakistan for their earthquake or Indonesia for their tsunami. So let’s not pretend that Muslims have a work ethic that’s worth writing home about.

Infidel on October 3, 2012 at 11:08 pm

The Muslim World doesn’t have Nobel Prize winners, its universities are not in the top ranked 50 worldwide and while the oil-rich Arab countries have sucked trillions out of the West, they still remain mired in the Dark Ages.

Its not the West that’s holding them back. Its Islam and no amount of Islamo-pandering by Western politicians will reform or change the fetid, fanatical and intolerant swamp of human misery, decay and decline called the Muslim World.

It has nothing worth writing home about indeed and and to call it a civilization presumed it ever had one.

NormanF on October 3, 2012 at 11:25 pm

The Who – “Meet The New Boss, Same As The Old Boss”

Jack on October 4, 2012 at 12:31 am

Yes, the Muttster is Barry-lite on too many issues. I could
not stomach the debates after having seen many of the earlier
GOP debates run and controlled by the media and WH staffers.
The media/WH wanted Romney as their opponent, and the RNC certainly abhorred a conservative or Tea Party candidate.
With the media and lefties controlling the topics, and follow up questions, there was no reason to watch the GOP “elites” kowtow and bow to their masters once again.
Mutthead is basicaslly running WITH Obama, not AGAINST him.
He better wake up while there is still a slim chance to defeat the marxist, but it is simply not in him to attack his
masters.
There is yet a month for the Mutthead to bring up the scandals, the scams, Iran, the Brotherhood & its terrorist
allies — but hd would surely rather boast about Romneycare and pander to hispanics. Guess he, like Obama, would be president for only some segments of our society. Sad it
has cpome to this — the marxists and koranists have
virtually no opposition form the GOP.

Otto Schaden on October 4, 2012 at 7:59 am

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