December 14, 2012, - 4:17 pm

On the CT School Shooting: Just Remember, Israeli Schools Are Protected With GUNS

By Debbie Schlussel

Many readers and friends have asked my reaction to today’s shooting and murder of 26 people (including 20 children who were students) at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. My first response is sorrow and condolences for the families of the victims. My second response is: how long will it take for gun-grabbing opportunists to predictably step on these shattered lives and call for more gun control? And the answer to that is the usual–not long at all.

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How Many Sandy Hook Elementary School Kids Might Have Been Saved If A Teacher Had a Gun?

A Michigan law that is working its way through the legislature to allow Concealed Pistol License (CPL) holders to bring guns into schools (with a few hours of additional training by the CPL holder) may now be held up because gun-grabbers will use this tragic incident as an argument against it. And, essentially, they will compare innocent, law-abiding, trained gun owners to this crazy person who shot up the kids today.

But schools need more guns in the hands of law-abiding adults, not less. In Israel, there are armed security guards at schools. And despite the fact that Israel is surrounded by those who would destroy it, despite the fact that there are rocket and other terrorist attacks against Israelis every single day, the kids at Israeli schools are very safe. The only times when they’ve been killed is when there were no guns around, as with the Merkaz HaRav Yeshivah, where students were shot up and murdered by two Islamic terrorists in 2008. (They were finally stopped by guns.)

In fact, because schools are guarded by armed guards in Israel, students at schools there have a much greater chance of being attacked and/or killed in a bus bomb on the way to or from school than when they are in their classrooms. And while in their classrooms, the greatest threat is a HAMAS rocket, not a crazy armed gunman like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary today.


Despite that, those of us who support a strong Second Amendment and the right to keep and bear arms are constantly mocked by the left, especially those on the left who live in gated communities and have fancy alarm systems, armed bodyguards, and other security. They mock people like Rep. Frank Lasee of Wisconsin who, in 2006, introduced legislation in Wisconsin to arm teachers.

“To make our schools safe for our students to learn, all options should be on the table,” he said. “Israel and Thailand have well-trained teachers carrying weapons and keeping their children safe from harm. It can work in Wisconsin.”

In Thailand, where officials have been waging a bloody fight with Muslim separatists for the last two years, some teachers carry weapons for self defense as they are viewed as part of the government. In Israel, teachers are not allowed to carry weapons in the school, but security guards at the entrances are armed.

The fact remains that law abiding citizens with guns stop malefactors with guns, unless, as with today’s shooter, the gunman commits suicide. Remember how Islamic terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan was stopped from taking more than 13 lives at Fort Hood? Others with guns on the base shot him. How many lives might have been saved today if a teacher had a gun? How many lives might have been saved at Virginia Tech because a student had a gun?

As I’ve noted before on this site, my late grandfather, Isaac Engel, a Holocaust survivor, owned a gun and concealed and carried it illegally to work to protect himself, because–in those days–only powerful and connected people were legally granted conceal and carry permits. But he needed a gun to survive at his business, which was located in a bad neighborhood near Detroit. Pulling out his gun when he was confronted by criminals saved his life several times, and he recounted to me how Jews were not allowed to own guns in Nazi Europe (and in many other places). Both he and my father told me about the many Jewish partisans who killed Nazis and saved Jewish lives because they stole guns and used them (just as in the movie, “Defiance” (read my review)). He felt that owning and carrying around a gun was not only a way to protect himself and provide for his family, but also a giant “F- You” to the Nazis and others who kept him from doing so and had wiped out most of his family (and tried but failed to wipe him out).

The best gun control is to have a gun. It’s the only thing that will stop someone else from killing you.

If you want to infringe upon my Second Amendment rights, it means you want to take my First and latter Amendment rights, too.

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@Carson-

Debbie’s entire argument is undermined by the fact that the Newport shooter used guns that were owned for the purpose of saving innocents lives / deterring violence.

I’m not sure I see a high-powered semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle, such as was used at Sandy Hook, to have been “owned for the purpose of saving innocents lives”. The mass murderer of Sandy Hook Elementary was able to fire off “dozens and dozens” (per the police) of .223 bullets travelling at about 3000 feet per second which. Said bullets are designed to explode after they enter their target.

Is that kind of weaponry needed for self-defense?

Larry S. on December 16, 2012 at 11:58 am

    The media erroneously reported that assault weapons were used in this mass murder.

    Not so. It is simple. LIBERALS PREFER DEFENSELESSNESS …

    As goes Israel, so goes the World ... on December 16, 2012 at 12:31 pm

    Well Larry, if I am going to defend myself against criminals with a .223 semi-automatic rifle I would want something equal to that for sure. I think one point that you didn’t say explicitly, but that I think we both agree on is keeping guns (any guns, not just high powered rifles) out of the hands of criminals and whackos. But just how do you propose to do that? Pass a law that you can’t have them? Who do you suppose would obey that law? People that will kill children?

    Norm H. on December 16, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Larry – Almost all firearms are “semi-automatic” – meaning the first round must be manually inserted into the chamber, but subsequent rounds are moved, mechanically, from the magazine into the chamber with each trigger pull. Fully automatic, military weapons have been illegal for individuals since 1933, and records show that these are rarely obtained illegally and used to commit crimes. Nobody is suggesting the legalization of fully automatic weapons. The AR-15 is an “assault-style” weapon, in that it is made to look like a fully auto M16, but is semi-auto. In its use, it is no different than any semi-auto hunting rifle. It cannot fire more rapidly, or different ammo, than standard hunting rifles. That is why the assault weapons ban is silly. It mearly bans a certain appearance of rifle, not it’s capabilities. And remember: When lives hang in the balance of mere seconds, the police are just minutes away.

    Phil on December 17, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    Larry,
    Explosive bullets were outlawed w/ the Geneva convetions, IIRC. Further, a .223 is pretty small – the whole POINT of rapid-fire is to lay out a volume of fire, not target someone (thing) and shoot. Not saying it’s impossible, but unlikely.

    As for the velocity – that’s to impart momentum to the target, to cause injury. A .45 can do it with lower speeds. So cna an arrow. Arrows penetrate sandbags, even though they are slow. Bullets (generally) don’t – though I’d bet anti-material guns like a Barret will get through the sandbags.

    BTW, the reason the Army went to a .45 was because the .38 didn’t impart enough momentum (inflict enough damage to knock someone down) in the Boer war, I think it was. The natives used pre-applied tourniquets, and kept coming even after being shot by a .38 – so, you had to KILL them. the .45 round was found to impart enough energy via momentum that it knocked the target down, period.

    Jean on December 17, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    I am sure that you are being facetious. A .223 round does not explode on impact with a person. Rifles chambered in .223 are more effective outdoors out to about 200 yards. That doesn’t preclude them from use in a home defense scenario. While I personally would prefer any 30 caliber round over the .223 it doesn’t invalidate it. BTW the kids mom bought those guns to attempt to teach the kid responsibility. I would also point out that in close quarters a shotgun is still the most effective weapon. Would you like to ban shotguns as well? Have you ever even been trained in gun safety and handling? Your agenda is showing.

    Denzil on December 21, 2012 at 5:39 pm

I can’t answer how many lives would have been saved if a teacher had a gun, but 27 lives would have been saved if Adam Lanza didn’t have access to guns! I’m not gonna argue the 2nd amendment, but the bottom line is guns kill and many tragedies could have been avoided with stricter laws. When our founding fathers wrote in the 2nd amendment, they had muskets that needed to be hand packed and if you were lucky you got a shot off a minute. Things are different today, we can easily access automatic weapons and assault rifles that can set off 300 rounds a minute!! Women weren’t allowed to vote according to our founding fathers, but we changed that!

I’m not too certain what the gun laws in Israel are, but from what you said about schools being guarded by armed security guards, I would assume that their law highly discourages armed civilians and wants the guns in the hands of those that serve and protect! Guns in the hands of professionals and not in the hands of civilians makes a lot more sense than our 2nd amendment!

I also wanted to comment about Obama’s tears! The man is a loving father of 2 and like any father his heart sunk to his stomach when he heard about the shooting! You might not agree with his policies, but to question his compassion on this tragedy is just wrong!

Kershaw on December 16, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Kershaw,

    You’re ridiculous. NOBAMA is the biggest phony ever as are his “tears”.

    LIBERALS PREFER DEFENSELESSNESS …

    As goes Israel, so goes the World ... on December 16, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Here comes the stealth Liberalism Kershaw tried to hide but I never fell for-for a SECOND. He/She has pulled down their knickers to expose their rotten and unimpressive naughty bits.

    Kershaw, you’re a dumb Liberal. Who cares what you think? I WANT you to believe Obama-Putin’s tears were real and legit. Your ilk are the only morons being fooled by that. I want you to be fooled. I want you to lick them off his Marxist face.

    But those in the know will be fighting back for what is rightfully OURS. Any arguments you have are dumb. Liberal, overly wrought and emotional and we are more than equipped here to serve you back like an ace to your crotch. You won’t be standing long.

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    I am now gonna call that Liberal dope “Kershaw” by a more fitting handle. That Liberal lemming idiot is now known as “Pshaw!”

    Pshaw…for the 2nd amendment to be nullifed here is what your empty Liberal mind does NOT know. You’re gonna need 2/3rds of Congress to agree with you as well as 3/4ths of the states.

    Good luck with that Pshaw!

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    And where were Obama’s tears when the 4 Americans were murdered in Benghazi? He was too busy running off to a campaign event and golf. Those tears are as phony as a $3 bill. Let the teachers carry guns or have security guards with guns, just like Obama does.

    David on December 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Kershaw, how many lives were saved because Timothy McVeigh didn’t have a gun? How about the 9-11 terrorists? My point is if someone wishes to do harm, they will find a way. A gun is just a tool. Consider Russia…. hardly anyone is allowed to have a gun there, yet their murder rate is nearly double ours. Not from guns, but they find a way. The problem isn’t guns, it is our society… we entertain ourselves with violence… TV, movies, video games, even our sports are violent, we see violence as a way of solving problems.

    Norm H. on December 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm

    Kershaw, you’re a troll. I don’t recall you EVER engaging competing arguments. You just stop by and fart out another dumb lefty blurb, after which you return to the Puffington Host.

    skzion on December 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    How you arrive at that conclusion I don’t understand. What does discourage our civilians from carrying is the requirement that those of us living inside the “green line” must have served in the IDF for 3 years, or have a job that requires carrying for personal safety, e.g. a diamond courier. Most security jobs go to veterans. My husband did reserves during Gulf 1 but is not eligible. Residents of Yesha are not required to have served and many women are arming themselves there. We do have good security at all public buildings and this is not limited to people carrying guns. They will profile and use other measures. In some offices, if you have a water bottle, they will require you to drink from it in their presence. This is the sort of security the US needs.

    Italkit on December 17, 2012 at 8:05 am

      Oh, and Kershaw, it is NOT a good thing that I can’t carry here. I’m an older small lady with rheumatoid arthritis. I get around but I no longer have strength or agility. Krav Maga is out for me. If something started to go down, all I could do to save lives is shoot… if I had a weapon, but I’m not allowed to. There are very few Arabs coming into my neighborhood and they stand out like sore thumbs but, the city I live in is a regional center and we get LOTS of Arabs from Yesha, specifically the area called The Triangle which has always been a hot bed. Almost all the women come to town with traditional dress and we’re starting to see some niqabs. Those could be men with bomb belts for all we know. I’ve also noticed that they are now starting to ride the bus that comes out of our neighborhood and bypasses the hospital but then continues into town. It used to be that they’d take the bus directly from the hospital but it’s a short walk to the junction so they are asserting their ownership buy amping up their presence on a bus that is less convenient and they have no reason to be on.
      This is why it’s WRONG that Israelis not be permitted to carry and it is our corrupt government that ties our hands and leaves us vulnerable to the enemy.

      Italkit on December 17, 2012 at 8:20 am

        Italkit, I hope that genital-less “Martin” reads your post. It’ll take 900 years for that eunuch to grow ONE let alone a “quartet”.

        Pshaw may read your post but it won’t sink in. The arrogant imbecile is going full-tilt boogie on emotions and facts don’t permeate. I believe Pshaw is a girl because she posts like a Holly Hobby on happy gas. If Pshaw is a dude is it a great example of how men have been totally feminized. Either way it is a sad state of affairs.

        This topic has me more angry than Ed Anger (remember him from the “Weekly World News”? I can’t even think of a funny example because I am so angry) and I would be able to handle it but I think the Left will be do illegal things to usurp our Constitutional rights. I can hardly stand it.

        Skunky on December 17, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Kershaw,
    1. The peak rate fo fire for muslets was FOUR shots per minute. Don’t make up BS.
    2. This person was NOT allowed to own guns, and WAS mentally disturbed, and KNOWN TO BE SUCH.

    He killed his own mother (whether to obtain the guns, or after obatining them from her, I do not know.)

    Why don’t we focus in on THAT, as well as how people could’ve stopped him IF they were armed?

    Jean on December 17, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    First I want to say what happened in Newtown Is a horrific thing that has happened way to much and needs to stop one way or another. and we can all defend guns or blame them back and forth all day. But the fact is that a gun,knife,Bat,car,bomb,fire,poison,ect does not harm or kill anyone until a human being descides to use it to do so. And Killers have been doing this for as long AS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON EARTH. every day in places like Iraq,Africa woman & children are killedn everyday in many ways tragically by Killers. But this is also something i don’t want to debate but lets ask ourselves honestly these people right here on this site that are bashing guns. Ask yourselves do you have kids? and do your kids have video games like modern warfare,Halo,GTA and are under the age on the box that says for over the age of 17? I bet they do…Do you let them watch shows like the expendables,The Walking dead? I bet they do now all we have to do is medicate them for whatever reason Depression,add,ect and then when they go out and do something to hurt themselves or someone else we can blame everything else except ourselves…..anyways someone said to me what do you need an assault rifle for? so I replied ( Hopefully nothing I’m going to put it in my closet right next to my fire extinguisher and pray to god I never ever have to use either one of them!) and thats just an expression about leaving it in my closet its really locked up secure….Then they asked Why do you need a magazine that holds 30 rounds for? So I replied ( If your couch was on fire and you ran to your closet to get the fire extinguisher and ther was a little tiny on there and a big one right next to it witch one would you grab?) In an EMERGENCY where your & the life of your family might depend on it MORE is ALWAYS BETTER! get it yet? So people work on being responsible sensor your kids video games make sure they are old enough, the movies they watch , the music they listen to, the drugs there on, and if you own guns keep them locked up and away from your children and as a society we need to put more focus on Mental health because there are no more asylums anymore and that means these people are out walking around and living among us and that is a dangerous thing. Anyway theres always more to say but I think you can get my gist. And sadly the root cause of what happened in Newtown was nothing more than a series of bad mistakes made by the mother….and I’m just throwing this out ther If your child is Unstable in any way maybe you shouldnt buy tactical weapons and then train him how to use them…But maybe thats just me

    Troy on December 19, 2012 at 5:02 pm

    Guns don’t kill people. That would be like saying hammers kill people. I can take a hammer and bludgeon someone to death if I want to kill them, but just as the hammer is useless without a force behind it, so is a gun. The guns should’ve been locked in a safe that only the mother knew how to get into. Just like my father’s have been my whole life. He keeps the ammo in a separate locked container so nobody besides him has access to put the deadly combination together. Guns are not bad, people are bad and irresponsible. But as I am a law abiding citizen, if we make a law banning guns, just how am I supposed to protect myself from the criminal?

    Brienne on December 23, 2012 at 10:37 am

The relationship between gun laws and gun deaths is highly complex. There are too many factors in play for comparisons between cites, states, or nations to be of use. Too often a cause and effect is claimed where it has not been established. Rates of gun deaths may increase in a city following passage of more strict gun laws, but as any student of basic logic knows, ” after” does not mean “because of”.

Many of you claim that more guns results in less gun violence. Yet I doubt that any of you would support a program supplying free handguns to every Detroit inner-city resident. ( you know full well that such would only result in more crime. )

Yes, there is the matter of the 2nd Amendment. ( we could debate what it actually says, but I won’t do that at this time. ) Does the 2nd Amendment apply to children? ( or, do children only have certain Constitutional rights? ) . The 2nd Amend does not specify age, if I am not mistaken. Where am I going with this? Well, I assume you oppose children being allowed to carry guns, even though children have the Constitutional right to bear arms. And the reason is that you know that a gun has an ability and an ease to harm or kill that far surpasses that of a knife, scissors, a brick, or a bat. You know full well that it is not as easy to kill with a knife, scissors, brick, or bat. A gun has an ability to harm and kill that is exponentially greater.

We can put armed guards in schools. We can put arned guards in every classroom. We can have children wear bullet-proof vests. We can home-school kids. We can lock them away in fortified houses with alarms. We can all hole-up in mini-fortresses, afraid to come out. OR, we can work to make guns scarce and difficult to obtain. Yes, the persistent criminal will still be able to get a gun, but it would be more difficult. Just as it is more difficult to get heroin when it is illegal than it would be to get heroin were it legal and sold in stores.

I do not want to ban guns. I want to make guns scarce and difficult to obtain. I also want to make guns socially inacceptable…something society abhors…something no one brags about owning.

If the 20 yr old in Conn. had never seen a gun in person, could not legally purchase a gun, and had no idea how to load a gun, the odds of him going on a killing spree with a gun would OBVIOUSLY be dramatically reduced.

Carson on December 16, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Carson says…

    “…the 2nd Amendment.(we could debate what it actually says, but I won’t do that at this time.) Does the 2nd Amendment apply to children? (or, do children only have certain Constitutional rights?).”

    Why don’t you debate it Carson? The 2nd amendment (as well as the WHOLE US Constitution~is VERY brief. In fact, many INFORMED US citizens carry pocket versions of the Constitution around with them.

    Go on Carson…TALK ABOUT IT. C’mon. Do it!

    Also, the shooter was NOT old enough to legally own and carry a gun but funny how that did NOT stop them. If you’re gonna talk about the 2nd Amendment I want you to also talk about the 10th and 14th Amendments. Go on, smarty pants…start talking!!!

    Someone on my Twitters said it so well (I forgot who…but I wish it was me)…Liberals like YOU will crap on about abortion rights that are concretely NOT in the Constitution but want to take away a right that concretely has it’s OWN amendment. That’s all anyone has to know about tyrannical Liberals.

    I’ll tell you something else you won’t find in the Constitution, Constipated Carson, but Liberals site in ad nauseam (and use to usurp individual rights)…separation of church & state.

    STFU. You don’t know what you’re talking about!!

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 7:23 pm

    Carson, dear, the relation is NOT “highly complex.” One landmark study of the effects of gun control was coauthored by a famous University of Chicago sociologist. GC -> MORE CRIME.

    The key point in an acceptable methodology is that it be a “quasi-experiment,” i.e., an “interrupted time series” where an area is its own control. This allows a before-and-after assessment of the impact of a gun control “intervention.”

    So far as I know, NOT A SINGLE SCIENTIFICALLY RESPECTABLE STUDY has found the opposite. However, if you want to provide a counter-example, I will review it and report back here.

    skzion on December 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm

What people seem to forget is that Israeli citizens must serve in the military for several years. They get extensive military training on how to handle guns, to assess the situation in the middle of the fight, and how to keep the death toll down. HOw many American teachers are militarily trained to that degree? I’d wager very few. It would take many, many hourse of defensive shooting training for a person to get some of hte kind of skill set that military and law enforcement get.

Also, the legal issues are huge in allowing teachers to carry. Here are a few questions that have come up on various sites;

-Does the school board have appropriate and adequate policies and procedures governing the carrying and use of firearms by teachers and school staff?

-What type of “use of force continuum” has the school district created for staff to use firearms? How does that stand up in comparison to such standards held for police officers and others who are armed and deployed in a public safety capacity?

-What type of firearms training does the school district provide on a regular, ongoing basis to those staff it authorizes to be armed with guns? Will the school district build and operate its own firearms range? Who on school staff is qualified to provide such training, operate a firearms range, etc.? Will firearms certification and recertification be added to the school district’s professional development training program each year?

-What types of firearms (types of guns, caliber of weapons, etc.) are staff allowed to carry and not allowed to carry? Will staff carry their own personal firearms or school district-issued firearms?

-Does the school district have regular “inspections” of staff firearms to make sure they are functional and appropriate to policy?

-What is the impact of this type of board policy and practice on the school district’s insurance and potential legal liability posture?

-How will hte shcool districts deal with lawsuits if something happens and an armed teacher fails to protect students and some die?

Teachers are district employees–and there has to be a district policy regarding how all this is to be handled–particularly to ensure the safety of students on a day to day basis. Teachers cannot just get their CCW and come to school. There has to be checks and balances–becuase the teacher are employees and we have young children in their care. So, it’s not as simple or as easy as so many people think. There are many questions that need to be addressed and rules put in place before teachers will be allowed by districts to carry on campuses. In our sue happy society–you have to be very sure of what we are doing to ensure EVERYONE is safe–on a daily basis.

So yeah, it sounds great when you put it out there–but there are many complex issues that school distr

Sidnee on December 16, 2012 at 3:40 pm

    Sidnee, they are only complex for dopes like you who like to sit around hand wringing and pontificating on how “hard” things will be but never doing anything useful.

    You keep doing that. And 2nd amendment advocates and anti gun control supporters like me will take it DIRECTLY to our school boards and see what we can do to arm them to keep innocent kids safe.

    No Liberal weenie will EVER save ANY innocent person from a madman with a gun shooting indiscriminately. But a legally armed person ALWAYS will. The more the BETTER.

    STFU Liberals. We are gonna take it to proaction to keep you from usurping what is rightfully ours.

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 6:54 pm

The Newtown killer’s desire to kill came from a dark, ugly place.

The hatred for Muslims in the comments above come from a dark, ugly place.

-This post will be deleted because it forces people to introspect.-

Carson on December 16, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    No Carson, it’s very narcissistic of YOU to think your post would cause those of us in the KNOW some introspection. YOU’RE the one far behind. You are not only shooting off your uninformed mouth off but you think you are more profound than you are.

    We are at least 8 years ahead of YOU. And those our only the slow ones (such as me).

    You know NOTHING about Islam and that is why you can shoot off your arrogant and narcissistic mouth off. I am so beyond tired of know nothings like you. STFU you sling emotional crap that needs dentures to keep it’s wobbly structure.

    It makes me so angry that idiots like you who don’t even spend 10 minutes reading about and discovering the truth of Islam telling those of us who DO that we are wrong.

    Let me bottom-line it for idiots like you. The easiest thing for me to do is to come here and challenge DS (and those who learn from her) on what they know (and what I don’t).

    DS would hand me my ass in 3 seconds flat. Deservedly.

    But I am NOT arrogant like you. I am searching out things on my own. And she is more that correct. Funny how facts stick like that.

    And I am humble enough to know when a person knows way more than me and curious enough to realize I had better get to steppin’ (on the subject) on my own.

    You are serving up rotten, long gone bad crap. Get lost. Others here want to learn the TRUTH.

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 6:44 pm

    Carson, “it forces people to introspect?” Are you a subliterate?

    You are intellectually incapable of facilitating introspection because your IQ is too low.

    skzion on December 16, 2012 at 8:33 pm

The words of famous lawman Louie Awerbuck comes to mind “We are headed on the same collision course as the Republic of South Africa.”

Therefore “An Armed Society Is A Polite Society.”

Confederate South on December 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm

I don’t know if there were any muslim children in the 20 that were killed at Newtown in the Sandy Hook shootings, or any adults that were muslim, but I do know that a muslim sonorous reading from the quran was given without explanation of its source. It was entirely in arabic. When the speaker did give a presentation in English, he quoted both from quran 2 and 94. Interestingly enough he cited passages 1-5 in quran 94, which elevate mohammed to a prominate position supposedly by and at the will of allah. Who is responsible for this? The audience members are completely in the dark that the speaker represents a force of oppression and destruction that causes the deaths of those unfortunate children to pale. Yet they were there speaking freely, in a service they have not any interest because in their heart of hearts they view it as nothing more than the deaths of the infidel, and the rightful justice of allah upon the kuffar.

Dad on December 16, 2012 at 8:56 pm

Of Course Obama has an objective. Obama inferred so much tonight at the memorial service. My response is this, we are either governed by the people, or we are governed by the state. The people who yet have a will to serve God, will conform their lives to His will and love both God and their neighbor, those who will not will be responsible for these horrendous acts of violence. We already know that the government seeks to control more and more of our lives until the freedoms that are derived from God alone are completely subsumed to the will of the state. If the state can abitrarily take away the lives of the most innocent unable to defend themselves, the state may take away the liberties of the living as it chooses. It has happened in Russsia, in Germany, in Cambodia, and any number of other godless states.
It will happen here.

Dad on December 16, 2012 at 9:26 pm

Airplanes kill (9/11), so we need to ban airplanes. Imagine how many lives would be saved if we didn’t have those evil airplanes around! Imagine the good feelings we would all have, knowing our loved ones were safe by not being subject to airplane murders! Yes… ban those evil airplanes before another disaster occurs!

Russ on December 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm

Deb:

It should also be noted that most Synagogues and Jewish Day Schools in Europe are protected by plain clothes armed guards.

Given the assaults leveled at Jews in Europe, I think it’s time European Jews started arming themselves. I’m not sure what that would take to do legally, but the need certainly exists

There is NO Santa Claus on December 16, 2012 at 9:50 pm

Comparing Timothy Mcveigh and 9/11 to these mass shootings is ridiculous. You’re not going to eliminate all forms of violence even with the strictest forms of gun control, but no one can argue that most deaths due to public violence are caused by some sort of gun! It’s much easier for someone to get their hands on a legally purchased firearm and 1000 rounds of ammunition than it is to hijack an airplane! I don’t think that the argument is whether or not we should have the right to bear arms, but more which weapons and what type of ammunition should be allowed! Alcohol is legal, but there is still a limit to how much you can consume before getting behind the wheel of a car, why should it be any different with guns??

On a more personal note, I am definitely not a liberal nor am I a conservative! I believe in common sense and that’s something that both hard core conservatives and far left liberals seem to lack and I can never identify with either of them.

Now read this:

http://gawker.com/5968818/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother

Kershaw on December 16, 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Pshaw, you NEVER answer when your argument here is consistently broken. You may not acknowledge it but everyone here with an IQ above 80 (that doesn’t include you) does tacitly. And they know you’re a sad dope.

    You just hold on to your silly, childish, myna bird argument and move forward. You’re prolly a tic narcissistic too.

    “On a more personal note, I am definitely not a liberal nor am I a conservative! I believe in common sense and that’s something that both hard core conservatives and far left liberals seem to lack and I can never identify with either of them.”

    Pshaw, you have shown over and over again a dopey Libtard like you does NOT have a lick on common sense. Go sell crazy somewhere else.

    You don’t have to acknowledge the truth you lack on Islam, the 2nd Amendment and how the great equalizer protects the innocent but that doesn’t mean the rest of the world stops because you’re thicker than bat sh**.

    We know what you are (a Libtard) and we will point and laugh at you every time you try to sling the mind rot you sling consistently.

    Skunky on December 16, 2012 at 10:49 pm

      Skunky Funk, you certainly put the ass in class and have such an eloquent way if showing it. I could care less what you think because you come out and say that my argument is consistently broken when there hasn’t even been a proper response to anything that I’ve said. Using terms like Libtard and Moooooslim is so mature. Obama-Putin? What the hell is that anyways?

      You want to point and laugh at me for what? Everything you say is a joke and you have a lot of hate in you! Did you even read the article attached to my previous post? I am not on here to start these computer battles! I’m here to read articles and make the occasional post to stimulate intellectual discussion and not to put you or anyone else down! I respect the fact that you don’t agree with some of my point of views and I expect the same out of you!

      What makes this country great is that we can speak our minds freely without having to answer to anyone. We can all come together and come up with solutions based on compromise and mutual respect. It bothers me that we are falling for this polarization of liberalism and conservatism! We’re not all gonna agree on every decision, but thts what makes America great. Remember that we are the UNITED states and not the divided states. I will never judge someone based on religion, race, sexual orientation, gender, age or anything else! Libtard lol!

      Kershaw on December 17, 2012 at 2:07 am

        Hey P’Shaw….I see you get your same canned put downs from the same dumb websites where you get your opinions. A fifth grader would be more adept at having a go at me than a Obama-Putin Zombie like you. You don’t know what Obama-Putin is? Look in the mirror Libtard. You’ll see a crazed Obama-Putin supporter in your ugly reflection.

        I am not shocked you know zero about Russia and Putin. You don’t know much at all but are long on arrogance. You’re the reason USA is in such a sad decline.

        EVERYTHING you puked up about me in your dopey post proves that I am on the right side and your in retardo LiberalLand. That alone makes me feel great. Plus facts are stubborn things.

        And your weak, sad and unrealistic opinions have been TOTALLY torn apart on this thread. It’s not my fault that you have a negligible reading comprehension ability. Tell that to your Government appointed guardian. Anyone who doubts me should read EVERY post on this thread and they will see what you refuse to (because you’re a mentally ill dope).

        I will NEVER click on a link you provide, dumb-dumb. I have more realistic things to read. You have embarrassed yourself here greatly but the more you hang around the more I will tear apart your baseless and naive opinions. Have some dignity and Get lost!

        Skunky on December 17, 2012 at 10:14 am

          Funky, so now I’m the reason the USA is in decline? Are you sure that it has nothing to do with reckless banking policies that could have led to a complete financial meltdown had it not been for the billions that were injected back into the system? Are you sure that it has nothing to do with two failed wars that we threw trillions of dollars at (three failed wars if you include the war on drugs) to accomplish nothing?

          The article I linked on my previous post was tremendous and spoke about a topic that MUST be addressed much more than that of gun control. There exists a huge failure in the ways with which we treat and handle situations of mental illnesses. I suggest you read it before calling it dumb.

          Obama-Putin, Bush-Hussein, 2Pac-Biggy, Harper-Ahmedinajad, Cobain-Vedder, Budweiser-Coors, Apple-Microsoft, Pepsi-Dr.Pepper, Castro-Netanyahu, Sony-Sharp, Brady-Manning, chrysler-bmw, YouTube-Hulu, Fox-NBC, Nike-Adidas, marijuana-spinach, vegan-carnivore, paper-plastic, credit-debit, digital-analog, spit-swallow…

          Kershaw on December 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm

          C’mon PShaw…let all your uninformed Liberalism hang out. You expose yourself more with EVERY un-informed post. I LOVE it!

          “..reckless banking policies that could have led to a complete financial meltdown had it not been for the billions that were injected back into the system?”

          Pukey PShaw, is that why there is gonna be yet ANOTHER Porkulus? You don’t seem to know that the first TWO didn’t work. That’s why Porkulus THREE is coming around the bend. You retarded Libtard. Also QE2 (and it’s newer incarnations) are NOT cruise ships. I know you don’t know that. Bon Voyage, brainbox!

          Oh, and you should look into the Community Re-Investment Act which was the MAJOR cause of the financial meltdown you’re un-informedly wringing your witch hands about. Of course you have question marks floating above your head with that mention. LOLOL!

          STFU PShaw. You’re so dumb you don’t even know what you don’t even know. The Huffington Post will NEVER help you with that. Stop embarrassing yourself you special needs idiot.

          Skunky on December 17, 2012 at 1:02 pm

What a monstrous atrocity. Thank God for the courageous teachers and administrators that saved/rescued as many little ones as possible. The blood-sucking vicious islamo-leftists are beating their tomtoms for gun control.

joesixpack31 on December 17, 2012 at 12:59 am

Debbie, I love your passion for Isael and defending Jews, but you’re defending the indefensible here. We shouldn’t aspire to live like Israel in terms of fear, Israel should and does aspire to have a society where school children can go to school without fear of attack by mad gunmen. This is insane, monstrous and plain stupid and it must stop. There is no sane reason in a “civilized” society, which I hope we aspire to be, for basically distributing weapons to the general public, including assault weapons. You’re wrong on this issue and I pray you come around to the rational view.

Martin on December 17, 2012 at 9:53 am

    Martin YOU’RE the one who’s wrong. Has it slipped your empty-headed mind WHO Israel has to protect themselves from and the ground gained but crazed Mooooslims in the ME the last few years????

    I am tired of your Liberal whack-job posts. I’m gonna be calling you out on them for now on moron.

    I’d like to see YOUR blog where you brilliantly counter what DS says. C’mon Einstein…post a link!

    Skunky on December 17, 2012 at 10:02 am

An Israeli friend (security consultant, IDF Major, El Al sky marshal, sharpshooter) called & asked me why we have no armed security guards in elementary schools. He said he would have taken Adam Lanza out with one shot-and saved the lives of 20 beautiful little children and their teachers.

Obama cut funding for school security including a program to put police officers inside schools. Why hasn’t the media drawn more attention to this?

PaulaMalka on December 17, 2012 at 10:01 am

‘Assault weapons’ like the Bushmaster rifle in .223 are the optimum weapon for defense against riots and gangs, both of which are becoming ever more common here in the United States.

The Korean shopkeepers famously used assault rifles to defend themselves against rioting mobs in Los Angeles and the pictures of them atop rooftops with their Colt .223 rifles and walkie-talkies is very famous. And they didn’t even have to shoot anyone, just fire a warning shot or two.

They are also the optimum weapon for hunting wild boar, a pest that is becoming dangerously more prevalent in the United States.

luagha on December 17, 2012 at 11:12 am

It never ceases to amaze me that Obama and minions in the state run media have little or no interest in the daily/weekly/monthly murders in the city of Chicago. Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the country……..so, can any leftist out there explain why we have daily carnage in the city of big shoulders? Rep. McCarthy from N.Y. who is now the media flavor of the week, came out with a comment yesterday, and I quote, “The President should come out with an executive order demanding the enforcement of all gun laws.” I always knew this woman was a moron, but now I see she is a PRACTICING moron. The governmental and state run media crocodile tears will continue to flow, along with howls (As per the Nadler creature) that the NRA caused this tragic event. This tragic event also gives the state run media cover on Hillary’s “Concussion,” Gov. Haley appointing a black representative to replace DeMint in the senate, the so-called report on Benghazi, the fact that the Obama administration CUT OFF FUNDING FOR SCHOOL SECURITY, etc. Propaganda reigns, my friends. The appeal to emotion, not logic will continue…..

herbster on December 17, 2012 at 11:19 am

I work on a boat and no one can have a gun. After the movie massacre I asked the captain how would we defend ourselves and he had no answer. The USCG will not allow any type of gun on board. Not even the captain can have one. It makes me slightly uneasy to know we are out in the middle of the river away from any outside help if a crazy goes on a rampage. That is our federal government having too much control over our lives. I think all work places should have a weapon for self defense.

JD on December 17, 2012 at 7:34 pm

Of course the news is alive with this incident using words like tragedy, slaughter, massacre of the innocents, etc. Talk shows are going as far as bringing on guests whose children have died by other means comparing their tragedies and feelings to this incident. We must something about this the Congress and the Senate. And the tears… shed by everyone from bystanders to the President of the United States.

While I feel the same remorse as others, I cannot help but wonder where is the outcry for for over 1 million infants who are ripped apart and sucked out of the safety of their mother’s womb each year? Murdered by their doctors, mothers and the hypocrites in government. You want gun control? God help us.

JRay on December 17, 2012 at 11:27 pm

Putting guns in the hands of school teachers *might* have prevented the tragedy at Newtown and saved 26 lives. However, how many would die because of all of those extra guns floating around? Arming everyone means that any altercation, any suicidal thoughts, any drunken rages, any foolish inattention, can end with gunshot deaths.

Arming more people increases homicides, suicides, and accidents. It’s a simple formula: more guns = more deaths. Don’t believe me, check it out for yourself. The Harvard School of Public Health has done extensive research on this topic.

Frank on December 18, 2012 at 9:05 am

Stupid Republicans are stuck in the 1700’s when the 2nd amendment might have actually made sense. Nobody is trying to take away guns from law abiding citizens. Regulation is not prohibition. You’re so god damn narrow minded and quick to fly your flag for your rights and freedoms that you ignore blatant facts (much like your presidential candidates).

5% of the world population has 50% of the world’s guns. Gun related deaths in the US are so far and above any other developed nation that your usual reply of being a larger country with more people still does not ring true if you mathematically extrapolate the data of non gun crazy nations in Europe, Asia, or Canada. This article is a right winged rant backed with facts from one of the only nations in this world that has a future outlook more screwed than you guys do. I look forward to sitting here in Canada watching as you poor souls sink further and further into obscurity on the world scale in all meaningful aspects of life. We will welcome you to join us as long as you check your guns at the border. You don’t need them here.

Andrew H on December 18, 2012 at 3:08 pm

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. – Benjamin Franklin

Joe Citizen on December 19, 2012 at 9:50 am

0ne listener phoned into a radio talk show, stating that the U.S. is headed on a collision course – an actual Civil War over the right to bear arms….. Horrifying thought from up here in Canada. Could this actually come to pass – considering all the crazy N.R.A. supporters?

Worried! on December 29, 2012 at 3:18 pm

when i went to school the teachers had gun and the crazies were locked up but then along came the communist teachers union who ended armed teacher.ted,the swemmer,kennedy along with the aclu empted bthe mental hospitals and called it main streaming.the result were predictable and i believe the commies planed this so that they could push unconstitutional gun control.

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Hotel In Pataya on July 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm

In Israel, teachers are not allowed to carry weapons in the school, but security guards at the entrances are armed.

Armed Disaster Security Guard on September 30, 2013 at 4:15 am

Japan, England, etc have negligible gun violence, and no school shootings. And it seems to me they haven’t had their civil taken away by whatever bogie men worry the Right. Why is it so hard to understand that allowing nutcases to have guns, or even just having so many in circulation, will inevitably result in more murders like Sandy Hook? C’mon, admit it, y’all can’t wait to shoot someone who’s to blame for your vapid, miserable lives. Zimmerman didn’t wait. You thought he was some kind of hero until he went all wierd on his wife and gf and showed himself a perfect example for what all the NRA nutcase gun-owner ‘terrorists’ are.

Family Friend on December 20, 2013 at 11:07 am

Moooooslim & Ugly I will not only reply to get your goat (that you molest, you bestiality pig) but also tell you I NEVER click on links you provide.

Everyday I come here I learn more about the rotten truth of Islam. And your dirty, Mooooslim feet crack the fool like Rumplestiltskin. I LOVE IT!

Skunky on December 14, 2012 at 10:52 pm

Moooooslim & Ugly I will NEVER click on any link you provide.

And you have your work cut out for you if you think ONE story on a non-Moooooslim is gonna equate to ALL the evil Mooooslims do.

Now go slam your other leg through the floor you Mooooslim pig.

Skunky on December 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm

Moooooslim & Ugly go find the dumbest Pollock in Poland & have him take a huge dump in your mouth. That’s all.

Skunky on December 15, 2012 at 12:37 am

I am sorry that you have to deal with a walking enema bag Skunky.

The best response to such horrible incidents is to consider self-protection: http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/handguns/handgun_main.html

They do provide a decent assortment, and the prices are very moderate. I have a friend who owns the 9mm, and it has given him no problems. This is not an ad, but a response to the chorus who wants to limit private gun ownership to the very few. Eliminating low cost firearms producers has been one of the strategies of the left for decades. You effectively bar gun ownership for many, if you raise the cost to $500 +. Jennings and Raven were squeezed out of business through various legal tactics.

Worry01 on December 15, 2012 at 12:53 am

talking about
g-d given human rights
makes one a
sociopath ?

bizarre claim
and typically w/o proof

you probably believe in
anthropogenic global warming too
– another scheme of people control

prestigio on December 15, 2012 at 11:29 am

I want to point out that dopes like “John Joe” are extremely looooooooooong on low information EMOTIONS when it comes to gun banning BUT when it comes to actual FACTS regarding our 2nd Amendment and our inherent protections by such they are as barren as a zombie-licked brain cavity.

Hence the very short posts that just spew emotions and hatred. Hit & run for dummies.

They are not equipped to debate in the marketplace of ideas. They are all emotions and “hopes” (ie: The 2nd Amendment is a expired right due to the amount of guns available and modern advancements so they hope it will be nullified). Know this and shut them down. They can’t compete.

BTW my response to that bogan “Australia” got lost in the ether so let me state again that idiot represents the WORST of Australia and he/she is the sort that would pile-on those poor Aussie DJs.

Tell sooks like him/her to deal with their own socialistic rot and their own crook PM who has her own AWU scandal to attend to as she seeks re-election next year (and deems to re-write the meaning of “misogyny” in the Australian lexicon).

And Australians should STFU about our laws because they fail to vote to be a republic and stick to the socialistic rot that erodes the UK. The have their own problems to attend to and should get to it!

Skunky on December 15, 2012 at 11:38 am

Thank you Mustafa. Your knowledge of history is as feeble as your grasp of Hebrew.

Worry01 on December 15, 2012 at 1:10 pm

Prestigio, I think you may have understood…

I am almost certain Skzion was alluding to “Mooooslim & Ugly” and the post ABOVE (which I passed over…) his.

It’s a long story but I am sure you’ve seen SOME of the blowback in the past…And I think you and Skzion are on the same page.

Skunky on December 15, 2012 at 11:43 am

in re skunky

my reply @ 9:02 am
was directed at skzion
and not you

i’m sometimes surprised
by the order in which
they post on this page

prestigio on December 15, 2012 at 12:44 pm

Prestigio, I know it was not directed @ me (@ 9:02). BUT I thought your 9:02 was directed @ “John Joe”?

But now I am more confused..

At any rate I thought your 11:29am was directed @ Skzion’s 10:35am. But who knows at this point.

I know what Skzion was saying and to whom…that I do know…but perhaps I’m lost to other things….

Skunky on December 15, 2012 at 1:15 pm

prestigio you
goof i was referring to som
eone else
not you

Do you actually READ anything here?

skzion on December 15, 2012 at 8:31 pm

Oh samir, the Muz were praying to satan, not G-d. Anyway, you LOVE slaughtering innocents.

skzion on December 15, 2012 at 1:50 pm

you goof
moose-lamb-pig

when you joined
islam
you resigned from humanity

islam is not compatible
with anything but islam

the only race on this planet
is the human race

islam is incapable of understanding this

islam is therfore
inhuman

islam has no place
on this planet

prestigio on December 19, 2012 at 1:01 am

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