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> <channel><title>Comments on: False Patriotism: &#8220;G.I. Joe&#8221; Director Says Vietnam Vets are &#8220;Steroids&#8221; Users, Not &#8220;Elite&#8221;, not &#8220;the Best&#8221;;  Removes America From Foreign Ads</title> <atom:link href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:09:53 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Sewsalot</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-296161</link> <dc:creator>Sewsalot</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-296161</guid> <description>The living model for the original G.I.Joe action figure was a WWII MOH winner, a Marine Named Mitchell Paige. He was the son of Serbian immigrants. The parents had &quot;Americanised&quot; their name from Pajaic to Paige.I believe Mitchell was born in  the Pittsburgh.Pa. area.I had the honor of meeeting the hero back in the early 1990&#039;s at a patriotic event in California.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The living model for the original G.I.Joe action figure was a WWII MOH winner, a Marine Named Mitchell Paige. He was the son of Serbian immigrants. The parents had &#8220;Americanised&#8221; their name from Pajaic to Paige.</p><p>I believe Mitchell was born in  the Pittsburgh.Pa. area.</p><p>I had the honor of meeeting the hero back in the early 1990&#8242;s at a patriotic event in California.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pikachu</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-58340</link> <dc:creator>Pikachu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:14:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-58340</guid> <description>I also think Debbie took the quote out of context, in that Sommers was referring to the Marvel GI Joe series, in which most of the older male Joes were Vietnam vets.That said, while I&#039;ll go see this to let my inner child out for a little bit, Sommers really did the fans like myself a huge disservice. Larry Hama&#039;s emphasis that Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker were all decorated Vietnam vets was something for a time when the typical stereotypical Vietnam vet was Rambo or some drugged-out nutcase loser (if I&#039;m not repeating myself). Hama treated the Vietnam veteran with a great deal of respect--at one point, one of Stalker&#039;s fellow LRRP veterans, who spent years in a POW camp, is shown being spit on by a hippie when he gets home. Disillusioned with America, he joins Cobra--though he later finds some closure and peace in a rather moving story, for what was essentially a comic aimed at teenaged boys with money on their hands.Given Sommers&#039; desire to make GI Joe more &quot;palatable&quot; for foreign audiences, I imagine he won&#039;t mention Hama&#039;s reason for Snake-Eyes&#039; hideous facial burns and his inability to speak: he was badly injured in a helicopter accident based directly on the Eagle Claw disaster at Desert One in 1978.  Must&#039;nt offend the Iranians, doncha know. (I am looking forward to seeing Ray Park in action, though.)Sommers&#039; comments about this being an &quot;Obama world&quot; I find rather ironic. In the comics, Cobra Commander started his organization because he hated big business, and was essentially a community organizer who wanted to change America from within by any means possible. That sounds rather familiar.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think Debbie took the quote out of context, in that Sommers was referring to the Marvel GI Joe series, in which most of the older male Joes were Vietnam vets.</p><p>That said, while I&#8217;ll go see this to let my inner child out for a little bit, Sommers really did the fans like myself a huge disservice. Larry Hama&#8217;s emphasis that Snake-Eyes, Storm Shadow, and Stalker were all decorated Vietnam vets was something for a time when the typical stereotypical Vietnam vet was Rambo or some drugged-out nutcase loser (if I&#8217;m not repeating myself). Hama treated the Vietnam veteran with a great deal of respect&#8211;at one point, one of Stalker&#8217;s fellow LRRP veterans, who spent years in a POW camp, is shown being spit on by a hippie when he gets home. Disillusioned with America, he joins Cobra&#8211;though he later finds some closure and peace in a rather moving story, for what was essentially a comic aimed at teenaged boys with money on their hands.</p><p>Given Sommers&#8217; desire to make GI Joe more &#8220;palatable&#8221; for foreign audiences, I imagine he won&#8217;t mention Hama&#8217;s reason for Snake-Eyes&#8217; hideous facial burns and his inability to speak: he was badly injured in a helicopter accident based directly on the Eagle Claw disaster at Desert One in 1978.  Must&#8217;nt offend the Iranians, doncha know. (I am looking forward to seeing Ray Park in action, though.)</p><p>Sommers&#8217; comments about this being an &#8220;Obama world&#8221; I find rather ironic. In the comics, Cobra Commander started his organization because he hated big business, and was essentially a community organizer who wanted to change America from within by any means possible. That sounds rather familiar.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weekend Box Office: Lame, Barely American G.I. Joe (Has Muslim Influences), Okay Julie/Julia, Charming Ocean/Pearls; UPDATED: Im&#8221;Perfect Getaway&#8221;</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-55798</link> <dc:creator>Weekend Box Office: Lame, Barely American G.I. Joe (Has Muslim Influences), Okay Julie/Julia, Charming Ocean/Pearls; UPDATED: Im&#8221;Perfect Getaway&#8221;</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-55798</guid> <description>[...] Channing Tatum).  And that&#8217;s no surprise, given that director Stephen Sommers said they were deleting all the &#8220;rah-rah American&#8221; stuff from the foreign ads for the movie (and dissed....  Well, guess what?  They already deleted the &#8220;rah-rah American&#8221; stuff in the movie, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Channing Tatum).  And that&#8217;s no surprise, given that director Stephen Sommers said they were deleting all the &#8220;rah-rah American&#8221; stuff from the foreign ads for the movie (and dissed&#8230;.  Well, guess what?  They already deleted the &#8220;rah-rah American&#8221; stuff in the movie, [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: 75 War Movies to See Before You Die</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-55010</link> <dc:creator>75 War Movies to See Before You Die</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:14:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-55010</guid> <description>[...] Platoon - Charlie Sheen is a wet-behind-the-ears soldier caught in the middle of a moral struggle between [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Platoon &#8211; Charlie Sheen is a wet-behind-the-ears soldier caught in the middle of a moral struggle between [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: John Doe</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-54531</link> <dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-54531</guid> <description>Now Debbie, you&#039;re too smart to not know that &quot;elite&quot; in the context of this movie refers to superhuman... He said a few things all together and I can see why they could get mixed up, but I think it doesn&#039;t take much thinking about the quote to get that the parallel for the line about &quot;elite&quot; was the line about &quot;steroids&quot;.... He wanted an elite group of fighters, not people on steroids.  Vietnam War vets were just mentioned as an example of any military group.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Debbie, you&#8217;re too smart to not know that &#8220;elite&#8221; in the context of this movie refers to superhuman&#8230; He said a few things all together and I can see why they could get mixed up, but I think it doesn&#8217;t take much thinking about the quote to get that the parallel for the line about &#8220;elite&#8221; was the line about &#8220;steroids&#8221;&#8230;. He wanted an elite group of fighters, not people on steroids.  Vietnam War vets were just mentioned as an example of any military group.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mindy abraham</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-54060</link> <dc:creator>mindy abraham</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-54060</guid> <description>Lone Survivor is th story of Four Navy SEALS trying to capture a Afghan warlord-they get spotted by a group of shepards, get ratted outt by them and have to fight for their lives-One of them, Michael Murphy is a fellow Long Islander who gets the MOH for bravery.  All the others get Navy Crosses.  Only one survives, by hiding in a remote village for a few days.  NOT P.C. at all, just a good book about brave people</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lone Survivor is th story of Four Navy SEALS trying to capture a Afghan warlord-they get spotted by a group of shepards, get ratted outt by them and have to fight for their lives-One of them, Michael Murphy is a fellow Long Islander who gets the MOH for bravery.  All the others get Navy Crosses.  Only one survives, by hiding in a remote village for a few days.  NOT P.C. at all, just a good book about brave people</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Werecat</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-54016</link> <dc:creator>Werecat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-54016</guid> <description>With the internet, all the knowledge of the world is at one&#039;s finger tips.  So it&#039;s not that hard to fact check.  But apparently it was for this blog.The infamous quote: &quot;This can’t be about beefy guys on steroids who all met each other in the Vietnam War, but an elite organization that’s made up of the best of the best from around the world.”Fact: The quote has nothing to do with real world vets.  Duh.  It&#039;s spoken in context to the IN-FICTION mythos of G.I. Joe; in which many of them were pretty buff (&quot;steroids&quot; used as sarcasm in reference to the huge muscles men have in comic books), and most of the core team were combat vets who served in the Vietnam War and were recruited into the G.I. Joe team in 1982.  That’s what Sommers was referring to.  He wasn’t insulting our vets, he was talking about the fictional history of the G.I. Joe team members.Now, if you weren’t a fan of G.I. Joe, then you may not know the intricate mythology or origins.  That’s understandable.  But before one bashes a director for being un-American, one can at least spend 15 minutes researching the material before posting it.  There are plenty of interviews online with Larry Hama; the man who wrote almost all of the G.I. Joe mythology, so there is no excuse for this blatantly misleading and knee-jerk blog except for laziness or a slanted op-ed.&lt;strong&gt;W:  Nice try, but you didn&#039;t answer the part where Sommers says that he was looking for an &quot;elite&quot; unit, &quot;the best,&quot; which was clearly juxtaposed against the Vietnam Vets.  There&#039;s no getting around that.  That&#039;s what he said, and that&#039;s what he meant.  You sound like Bill Clinton trying to redefine the words &quot;is&quot; and &quot;sex.&quot;  And, oh yeah, I did fact check.  Everything I posted was a direct quote, and I linked to the original article.  The &quot;misleading&quot; &quot;knee jerk[ing]&quot; here is yours.  And BTW, interesting how you don&#039;t have an explanation for the removal of &quot;rah-rah America&quot; stuff from the movie&#039;s foreign ads, b/c you know there isn&#039;t one . . . other than whoring to America haters for money, as I noted in this entry.  Again, nice try, no cigar.  DS&lt;/strong&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the internet, all the knowledge of the world is at one&#8217;s finger tips.  So it&#8217;s not that hard to fact check.  But apparently it was for this blog.</p><p>The infamous quote: &#8220;This can’t be about beefy guys on steroids who all met each other in the Vietnam War, but an elite organization that’s made up of the best of the best from around the world.”</p><p>Fact: The quote has nothing to do with real world vets.  Duh.  It&#8217;s spoken in context to the IN-FICTION mythos of G.I. Joe; in which many of them were pretty buff (&#8220;steroids&#8221; used as sarcasm in reference to the huge muscles men have in comic books), and most of the core team were combat vets who served in the Vietnam War and were recruited into the G.I. Joe team in 1982.  That’s what Sommers was referring to.  He wasn’t insulting our vets, he was talking about the fictional history of the G.I. Joe team members.</p><p>Now, if you weren’t a fan of G.I. Joe, then you may not know the intricate mythology or origins.  That’s understandable.  But before one bashes a director for being un-American, one can at least spend 15 minutes researching the material before posting it.  There are plenty of interviews online with Larry Hama; the man who wrote almost all of the G.I. Joe mythology, so there is no excuse for this blatantly misleading and knee-jerk blog except for laziness or a slanted op-ed.</p><p><strong>W:  Nice try, but you didn&#8217;t answer the part where Sommers says that he was looking for an &#8220;elite&#8221; unit, &#8220;the best,&#8221; which was clearly juxtaposed against the Vietnam Vets.  There&#8217;s no getting around that.  That&#8217;s what he said, and that&#8217;s what he meant.  You sound like Bill Clinton trying to redefine the words &#8220;is&#8221; and &#8220;sex.&#8221;  And, oh yeah, I did fact check.  Everything I posted was a direct quote, and I linked to the original article.  The &#8220;misleading&#8221; &#8220;knee jerk[ing]&#8221; here is yours.  And BTW, interesting how you don&#8217;t have an explanation for the removal of &#8220;rah-rah America&#8221; stuff from the movie&#8217;s foreign ads, b/c you know there isn&#8217;t one . . . other than whoring to America haters for money, as I noted in this entry.  Again, nice try, no cigar.  DS</strong></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: FeFe</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-54009</link> <dc:creator>FeFe</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:57:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-54009</guid> <description>So all of professional baseball is Vietnam Vets? Steroids are bad.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So all of professional baseball is Vietnam Vets? Steroids are bad.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: luagha</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-53899</link> <dc:creator>luagha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:42:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-53899</guid> <description>It&#039;s a pity that I&#039;ll likely have to go see this one because I&#039;m a big fan of the original series.  If you want to see some real hard-core GI Joe, check out the recent Cartoon Network GI Joe animated movie.  It&#039;s a self-contained unit (though you have to know the mythology of the show to know the characters) and it&#039;s seriously military.  It&#039;s the movie they should have made.It&#039;s doubly a pity because &#039;Cobra&#039; and &#039;Cobra Commander&#039; could make such a wonderful villain.  He is faceless so there are no color or race issues, and all of his power is in ideology and the foolishness of his followers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pity that I&#8217;ll likely have to go see this one because I&#8217;m a big fan of the original series.  If you want to see some real hard-core GI Joe, check out the recent Cartoon Network GI Joe animated movie.  It&#8217;s a self-contained unit (though you have to know the mythology of the show to know the characters) and it&#8217;s seriously military.  It&#8217;s the movie they should have made.</p><p>It&#8217;s doubly a pity because &#8216;Cobra&#8217; and &#8216;Cobra Commander&#8217; could make such a wonderful villain.  He is faceless so there are no color or race issues, and all of his power is in ideology and the foolishness of his followers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray</title><link>http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5910/g-i-joe-director-disses-vietnam-vets-as-steroids-not-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-53842</link> <dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:04:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/?p=5910#comment-53842</guid> <description>Look at the bright side. This is another in a long line of money losers that drains cash from those oversized children in liberal hollywood. Imagine how bad it would be if they could actually make money and not steal it from liberal investors and studios.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the bright side. This is another in a long line of money losers that drains cash from those oversized children in liberal hollywood. Imagine how bad it would be if they could actually make money and not steal it from liberal investors and studios.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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