July 12, 2013, - 8:59 am

Obama Administration Considering Fed Prosecution if Zimmerman Acquitted – Double Jeopardy

By Debbie Schlussel

Even if George Zimmerman is acquitted of killing Trayvon Martin, he’s not off the hook. The Obama Administration might prosecute him in federal court.

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Today, the George Zimmerman case will probably go to a Florida jury. But, even if he is acquitted, George Zimmerman may face federal charges. Because in America–while we think you can’t be charged for the same crime twice–there really is double jeopardy, in the form of federal charges. And if you think Barack Obama–who said if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin–hasn’t instructed his Justice Department to consider it, think again.

The other day, a reader asked me about this and whether I thought that Eric Holder would go after Zimmerman on federal charges. It’s certainly possible. They could go after him for the nebulous, baloney “crime” of “violating Trayvon Martin’s civil rights.” There is a lot of unfortunate precedent for this.






As I’ve noted on this site, that’s what happened, after April 29, 1992, when four police officers were acquitted by a Simi Valley, California jury in the beating of repeat convicted felon Rodney King, who resisted arrest. Then-President George H.W. Bush, upset over the race riots in South Central Los Angeles, spurred by the verdict, decided to give into the rioters, just like a Stockholm Syndrome afflicted hostage gives into and sympathizes with his captors. And the police officers, already acquitted by a jury of their peers, faced federal charges. Two of the four police officers, Stacey Koon and Laurence Powell, were convicted and sentenced to 30 months in prison.

And it’s not the first time this kind of thing happened. There’s also the Vincent Chin case.

On June 23, 1982, two drunk men, one of them a supervisor at an auto plant (and the other his stepson), spotted Chin at a Detroit strip club, Fancy Pants. They mistook him for Japanese (as his surname indicates, he was Chinese), and held him responsible for American autoworkers losing their jobs, as the flood of cheap Japanese cars that came into America in the early ’80s led to a big down period in the American auto industry. And they beat Chin to death, after he left the strip club, and they paid someone to find him. The two men, Ronald Ebens and stepson Michael Nitz, were charged with second degree murder but convicted of manslaughter, pursuant to a plea deal. They were sentenced to three years of probation and served no jail time.

But after outrage by the Asian American community, the Reagan Administration pursued federal charges against the two men through the Justice Department. Both were charged with violating Chin’s civil rights. Nitz was acquitted, but Ebens was found guilty and sentenced to 25 years in prison. That conviction and sentence were overturned after the Court of Appeals found that Reagan Justice Department officials improperly coached a witness. When Ebens was retried in Ohio, he was acquitted.

I’m not saying I believe Ebens and Nitz were innocent. While I do not know all the facts of the case, I remember that it sure sounded to me (from the liberal media which controlled all news in those days) like they were guilty and should have been convicted and sentenced to prison time. But they went through the legal system and the court process, and it’s wrong to try people twice for a crime for which they’ve already been tried, just because we don’t like the result. That’s the real double jeopardy in America.

Double jeopardy is a misunderstood concept in America. It only means you can’t be tried twice for the same crime in the SAME COURT. In fact, liberal Justice Department officials–and the American Presidents who direct them–often make sure that Americans are repeatedly charged for crimes of which they’ve already been acquitted, by charging them with new “crimes” for the same crime, such as “violating” the alleged victim’s civil rights.

Yes, there isn’t just one bite at the apple–or at George Zimmerman–for left-wing race-baiters who want his hide. If he’s acquitted by the jurors in this local trial, Barack Obama and Eric Holder can swoop in and make his life hell yet again for defending himself against Trayvon Martin.

And if you don’t think they are considering it, think again. They are.

Will they do it? I’m not sure they would risk the outrage of half the country on this.

But they’ve done far worse.

Note, by the way, that no President ever sent his Justice Department to go after O.J. Simpson or Casey Anthony. They just don’t see any race-baiting value there.

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But, reverse the races, and there would be NO CHANCE at Double Jeopardy.

Don’t tell me that Mr. & Mrs. Ayers( The true heads of Obama’s Think Tank ) didn’t come up with this, and phone the Prosecutors with what to do.

CharlesMartel on July 12, 2013 at 9:06 am

    “But, reverse the races…”

    But reverse the races and it wouldn’t even make the newspapers. Whites murdered by blacks are buried or obfuscated (if the story runs at all, they often never show the picture of the black perp or mention his race as a matter of Journolist-type policy.)

    DS_ROCKS! on July 12, 2013 at 9:35 am

    Reverse the races and there would have been no charges laid, hence, no trial.

    Victoryman on July 12, 2013 at 10:19 am

    If you are concerned about Obama sending Holder after Zimmerman, chill out bro he wont. I spoke with him and he promised me he wont.
    On a more serious note, acquitting Zimmerman and letting him walk into the street a free man is the best thing this all white jury can do for late Trayvon. A jail term will make a hero out of this worthless bucket of warm piss called George Zimmerman. Acquit him and let his conscience, God and Trayvon’s spirit show him who the real neighborhood watch is. He will live to be 95 years old but will never have a day of peace. He will wish he was convicted and sentenced to death but the almighty does not let the the wicked off that easily. His sin will be visited on his entire family and unborn generations and they will never know what hit them.

    jorge zzizziman on July 13, 2013 at 1:26 am

      the gorilla nosed punk assed wannabe thug thought he was hard- low and behold AMERICA found out he was just a puusy wannabe punk who got what he DESERVED D-E-A-D let the riots begin shoot straight and shoot plenty

      wildman on July 13, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    The Feds did the same thing in the South during the civil rights movement. I really hope that it doesn’t come to that in this case. It appears from everything that I’ve seen that there is little evidence to convict.

    RM on July 13, 2013 at 7:40 pm

And as they deliberate, don’t you wonder how much the 6 female jury members are wondering about things like will the neighborhoods riot? Will some newspaper print my name and address and imperil my safety? I almost wrote this is unbelievable, but given how the Obama aparatchiks in the federal government have overstepped their authority, the law and common decency time and again from day 1, we should really just expect it at this point.

SM: I think that is EXACTLY what they are thinking, and it’s so unfortunate b/c it means that Zimmerman isn’t really getting a fair trial, but one subject entirely to politics. I also think every one of them lied to get on the jury. There is no way they did not know much about this case, as they claimed when they were picked for the jury. DS

Sean M on July 12, 2013 at 9:09 am

Getting no time for beating a man to death NOT for self-defense reasons? What the heck happened in that Chin case? Were the jury complete embicils?

DK: There was no jury in the local trial. They made a plea deal and agreed to plead guilty to manslaughter. The judge gave them three years probation. In the federal trials, there were juries, but even the juries ultimately acquitted them. I do not know why the juries decided that way and why they were not convicted and given time. DS

Dina k. on July 12, 2013 at 9:26 am

I think that this is an ugly situation, and federal intervention will make it much worse.

Worry01 on July 12, 2013 at 10:49 am

Re ‘CharlesMartel’s’ points: Don’t forget the virulent anti-police, pro-criminal, pro-gang, longtime Obama associate (and “green jobs” czar for 15 minutes) Van Jones in terms of this situation, and who may’ve been involved in crafting this insidious strategy (remember, Jones was the catalyst for the government hog-tying Oakland, CA’s police department from doing their job in protecting the law-abiding, to the effect that crime in that city is now totally out of control – ditto for Philadelphia, PA). Anything related to gang violence in the streets or “Occupy Wall Street” riots or the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi, Obama’s orders to police and military have always been “stand down” – the exact polar opposite of “stand your ground.” This is more than just an attack on Zimmerman and “stand your ground” laws, it is an attack on the rule of law and on the tenets and precepts of a civilized society in general. It is an attack on the concept of ordinary citizens defending their neighborhoods and families and businesses from criminal attack. As I noted in a previous article on this site about Zimmerman, the goal of the Obama apparatchiks, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the ACLU et al., is to bully, intimidate and frighten neighborhood residents back to the apathetic “we don’t want to get involved” stance that got deservedly bad press in the 1964 murder of Kitty Genovese in the Forest Hills section of Queens, NY (which was a harbinger of the massive increase in violent crime, including and especially the murder rate, in New York City from the late 1960′s into the early ’90′s). And it is at one with the attacks on police departments across the country, especially the NYPD.

And there’s been news of late that the so-called “Justice”[sic] Department have been giving aid and comfort to anti-Zimmerman rallies over the last year, thus making it clear that Obama and Holder are foursquare on the side of the criminal elements of our society.

Since Casey Anthony was mentioned in passing, though she is ultimately responsible for her reprehensible actions in murdering her daughter, one has to wonder to what extent the constant messages from Planned Parenthood and the “abortion on demand” culture (that life is cheap, pregnancy is a disease, motherhood is a punishment, having and raising children is a major inconvenience and an undue burden etc., etc.) played in her making that unthinkable decision.

ConcernedPatriot on July 12, 2013 at 11:20 am

    You are right on the mark with the Oakland Police Department. Crime there is worse than any other city in the nation. Even sociologists are perplexed. The city brings in an expert, Bratton, from NYPD, to reduce crime and the ACLU, black and Hispanic groups, and the communists are all over this objecting to “stop and frisk.” Mean while, cops just sit idly by and let the blacks and Mexicans do their dirty work.

    It’s funny, the communists [Berkeley clipped haired lezbo-types and their feminine castrated feminine male counterparts] frequent the downtown area coffee shops, restaurants and so-called patient clinics [ legalized dope sales] and the blacks rob the whites, steal their devices and generally beat them and they cannot understand the gratuitous violence that they dismiss as the African -Americans are just getting in touch with their feelings from having ancestors enslaved in the 1800s. They hate guns yet you see many merchants that they frequent have armed guards for their protection.

    AR on July 13, 2013 at 11:30 am

Debbie, I thought (and I guess I have always thought wrong) that for someone to be charged with violating someone else’s civil rights (in federal court), that that person had to be some kind of agent of the state: not a private person. What did the DOJ use or say that qualified the auto-worker case as a civil rights case? In discussing the Zimmerman case with friends, I have said that I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obama DOJ somehow would find Zimmerman’s actions as a neighborhood watch patrol as pseudo law enforcement and therefore qualify it as a civil rights violation. But I guess they don’t have to do that after all?

Janne on July 12, 2013 at 11:36 am

Debbie:

“While I do not know all the facts of the case, but I remember that it sure sounded to me (from the liberal media which controlled all news in those days) like they were guilty and should have been convicted and sentenced to prison time.”

Huh? Liberal media? Come on. Chin was at a strip club having a bachelor party because he was getting married that week. Chin was a decent guy: an engineering student who was working two jobs to buy a house for his fiancee. Ebens and Nitz saw Chin in the club and started berating him with racial slurs. Why? Because they were unemployed and associated Chin with the Asian auto manufacturing business that had put them out of work. (Now they could have gone to college like Chin or found one – let alone two – jobs like Chin but chose instead to have the entitlement victimhood mentality). Chin committed the appalling crime of standing up for himself against their public racist verbal abuse (and by extension their notions of racial entitlement and superiority) of the two racist losers and went and punched one of them in the face. So, that got them all kicked out of the nightclub. That is the funny part: Ebens and Nitz yelling racist slurs at Chin wasn’t a problem for the club at all, they did nothing. It was only when Chin stood up for himself that they decided to start throwing people out.

Once they were outside in the street Chin challenged Ebens to continue the fight, man to man. Ebens declined, like the coward that he is. So Chin left, satisfied with his victory, and went to a McDonalds to get something to eat. Ebens could not countenance this Asian getting the better of him and doing so publicly and in front of his stepson, so he drove around until he found Chin at the McDonald’s, got a baseball bat and beat Chin to death. To this day Ebens claims that Chin shares equal blame for his own death for punching Ebens.

As far as the sentence, it was handed down by liberal soft on crime judge Charles Kaufman, who sympathized with the murderous scum because they were unemployed, victims of their economic condition and said “these are not the types of men that you send to jail.” And Kaufman handed down the probation sentence without notifying Chin’s lawyers, keeping them from appealing the sentence and shielding him from prison.

It was a complete and total miscarriage of justice and attempting to mitigate it with “maybe the liberal media didn’t tell the whole story” to create doubt is totally wrong. Even if you accept the idea that Chin isn’t totally innocent because “he started it” by responding to Ebens’ racist taunts with violence, the fact is that Chin left the scene and was long gone, no threat to Ebens whatsoever. Ebens drove around until he found Chin at the McDonalds and then killed him. That was malice revenge premeditated murder because Ebens was humiliated over being proven to be a lesser man by an Asian, first when Chin punched him in the club in response to his racist insults, and then when Chin challenged him to settle their differences outside. (Of course the coward and liar Ebens denies most of this, including the racial slurs, BUT THERE WERE WITNESSES.)

Oh yeah. After this happened, there wasn’t exactly outrage from law and order locals. Instead, there was a flood of letters to the editor in support of Ebens stating that Chin got what he deserved for coming to America (legally I might add) and taking their jobs. Those were your “Reagan Democrats” for you I suppose. I am sorry, but blacks were not the only racists in Detroit, not by a long shot, and based on Judge Kaufman’s actions they weren’t the only soft on crime liberals either. (There were other charges against Kaufman, that he was family friends with Ebens of some sort, which if true also makes him corrupt. So evidently Detroit’s corruption preceded Coleman Young, Kwame Kilpatrick etc.)

Incidentally, these federal civil rights double jeopardy type deals began with the Isaac Woodard case (read up on it) and similar incidents where southern state and local officials and juries conspired to protected obviously guilty defendants because it was their way of refighting the Civil War. (I am not making this up … see what the defense’s last statement to the jury was in the Woodard case.) While the federal invention was possibly illegal under the Bill of Rights, the threat of federal involvement was the only thing that forced local officials in the south to behave.

But once the precedent was set, it snowballed into the monster that we have now. It stinks that the feds now have this power to abuse, but ignoring how they got this power in the first place is the same as invoking the liberal media in a case where a racist hunts a man down at a McDonald’s and beats him to death with a baseball bat.

G: Like I said, they sure sounded guilty to me and should have done prison time. I certainly don’t think they were innocent. I am not trying to create doubt. I’m noting that all of the “facts” of the case were reported by the liberal media, and I don’t know if there was something the juries heard in the federal cases that made them ultimately acquit the two, which there might have been. I also wonder why the feds needed to “coach” a witness (ie., tell the witness to lie), if the case was as open and shut as the media claims. The items you cite above are all on Wikipedia (it sounds as if you are paraphrasing everything you read on the Wikipedia entry), which–as you know–is biased and full of BS and leaves out facts. Wikipedia removed all references to Muslims convicted in federal court of sending me death, rape, and torture threats, for example, and removed all record of Monica Crowley’s plagiarism of an article by Paul Johnson, presenting it word-for-word as her own. DS

Gerald on July 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    Gerlad: “Chin was a decent guy: an engineering student who was working two jobs to buy a house for his fiancee.”

    You don’t know what kind of a guy he was or anything about what happened that night.

    Save your bitter-clinger bullsh$t (and apparently copy-pasted [lol! - good catch, Debie]) diatribe for your next cheap Trader Joe’s wine and cheese cutting party with your automaton progressive, like-minded, progressive, liberal buddies.

    DS_ROCKS! on July 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm

Debbie as usual your post is on point. This whole affair was rotten from the get go. From The time that the “unarmed”(if I hear that one on more time…) teen was shot to the O’Clown injecting race with his stupid if I had a brat it would look like a wookie/gungan commnent. To the kangaroo court adding charges in the 11th hour. On top of all of this we have the Obamanation’s Injustice Department using taxpayer money to organize riots, er I mean rallies for Obama’s fake son. I heard the DA’s prattling closing argument and I’ll bet in his little heart he is glad that his job is done. The case presented against Zimmerman was shotty at best with witnesses like Rachel Jeantel and her “creepy ass cracker” comment. We’re supposed to feel sorry for retards like her right? Anyway you just know that the racist ingrates of the O’Team are just foaming at the mouth to bring federal charges against Zimmerman. God forbid that our esteemed pResident would do all that he could to not further fan the flames of racial hatred.

Ken b on July 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Providing Trayvon was “unarmed,” I leave you with this observation: Just because he was “unarmed” does not mean he wasn’t dangerous. All of which doesn’t mean diddly-squat to those running interference for violent criminals.

    ConcernedPatriot on July 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm

fed prosecution
how

as if the rodney king case wasn’t
bad enough

btw
how come oj sampson
wasn’t federally prosecuted

cross-racial
multiple murder
cannot be framed as a

civil rights violation

are they kidding

prestigio on July 12, 2013 at 12:20 pm

No need, Zimmerman will be convicted of manslaughter and given a life sentence. What a joke. The jury knowa they must convict him of something or there will be riots. They think it will be compromise but it will be no difference.

The Chosen One on July 12, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    if zimmy is convicted of anything

    and it is not overturned
    entirely on appeal
    ergo he walks

    we then must accept
    that we have
    no right to anything
    as enumerated in the
    constitution
    bill of rights
    basic logical thinking
    of what might be the rights of a
    human being

    face it
    the florida judiciary
    and eventually
    fed judiciary

    are going to have to make
    basic decisions
    in re
    are citizens superior
    to the gov’t

    or is gov’t superior
    to the citizens

    the answer is obvious
    because citizenry creates gov’t

    but always remember
    the creation of gov’t
    was for the concentration of power

    as if the artificiality called gov’t
    can legitimately rule over
    the human soul

    btw there is only one major religion
    that admits of no human soul
    it is also the religion devoid of
    miracles and divine intervention

    guess which one

    prestigio on July 12, 2013 at 1:21 pm

That being said, stuff like this is probably why you conservatives are so upset. I have to admit that you have a real point …

http://www.mercurynews.com/celebrities/ci_23648824/fruitvale-station-criticized-fictional-scene-marketing-tied-george

Gerald on July 12, 2013 at 1:31 pm

The Fifth Amendment states:

“Nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb”.

This charging them with a “civil rights” violation for the same act is total BS and blatantly unconstitutional.

Of course judges today are politicians in black robes and there is no justice, so why doesn’t the government just erect a cross and crucify Zimmerman and then let people throw things at his corpse ?? That would make the Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, Al Sharpton, etc happy and don’t worry about some 200 year old piece of paper–right ??

jimmyPx on July 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm

Zimmerman wasn’t going to get a fair trial from the moment BO claimed Trayvon Martin as the son he never had.
That’s why this whole thing was a preordained farce from the beginning.
That’s what happens when you elect a community organizer president.
You get community organizer political trial farces not too different from what they had in the Soviet Union.
It’s not that these show trial media frenzies are anything new. What’s new is that they are now orchestrated from the White House.

That’s why Debbie’s reminder of Bush and Rodney King is accurate but insufficient. Bush was well… Bush. But that’s yesterdays story and yesterday is not tomorrow. Not at all.

Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    Nazi show trials….a very good analogy!! The best thing we could do is relentlessly inform Congress, both houses, that we’ll be watching to see who’s collaborating with this pResident!

    d. on July 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm

Most of the people on here are so out of touch its infuriating. There would be no murder, no trial, if Zimmerman would have left the teenage UNARMED kid who was minding his business walking to his fathers house, ALONE! Get it. Zimmerman instigated this heinous murder. Wake Up people. Wake up!

Big D on July 12, 2013 at 1:38 pm

    @Big Dunce
    We get that you think you already know what happened. I guess that means one day you could be president too.

    Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm

    your comment
    interesting

    too bad you are lying

    self defense is
    a g-d given right

    it’s only pigs like you
    who want to deny it to

    human beings outside
    your group

    prestigio on July 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Right, Big D. And Martin was just minding his own biz when he sucker-punched that cracker and broke his nose before he “ground & pounded” him and tried to grab his gun.
    I agree with Bombathon, I think you ought to run against Hillary in the 2016 Demo primary.

    Joe Guiney on July 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm

What a country!

Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm

So Big D, if you leer at me in a bar and I go over to you and bust your lip open or smash a glass on the back of your head, that’s ok, right? You know, since I should be able to assault you for leering at me, even though you didn’t really DO anything to me.

Sounds like you need to wake up.

K: Huh? That’s not similar to this case, except Trayvon Martin bashing George Zimmerman’s head in for doing nothing but following him. Um, you need to wake up. And get a clue. Nice try, but no cigar. Not even close. DS

KerryB29 on July 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm

Regarding the Zimmerman case (and the the double jeopardy issue), there is really only one question that matters.

That question is: “Did Zimmerman justifiably fear for his life when Martin was banging his head into the concrete” ??

If he did then by Florida law he had the right to use deadly force to defend himself. If he did not that at minimum he is guilty of manslaughter.
Personally if someone is on top of me banging my head into the concrete, they will very quickly have several 45 caliber holes in them. Really if Martin had been a punk white kid this wouldn’t have been an issue and charges would never have been filed.

jimmyPx on July 12, 2013 at 2:00 pm

    Yes, and there are accounts of people being killed by being simply punched in the back of their skull. Did what Zimm do actually justify lethal action on the part of the hoodie boy? He was offended, by what ever, and then decided to kill Zimm? Get a life!!

    d. on July 12, 2013 at 2:45 pm

      D,

      I’m not saying that Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman—he was high and liked to fight. He probably thought that this fat guy was following him, so he’d kick his butt.

      The critical question legally is what Zimmerman thought (and what a reasonable person would think). The evidence is that Martin was pounding Zimmerman’s head into the concrete. That’s a FACT–not an opinion (as shown in the trial).
      Now did Zimmerman (and would a reasonable person) think that if someone was banging your head into the concrete that they are trying to kill you ??
      THAT is the critical question–if the answer is YES then Zimmerman should be acquitted and if the answer is NO then he should be found guilty.

      Everything else is BS.

      jimmyPx on July 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm

    ???Did someone punch and bang Zimmermans head in the concrete after Trayvon was shot in preparation for this trial? if he punched and banged his head on the concrete why was no single evidence of Zimmerman’s DNA found on Trayvons nail nor skin? Zimmerman will get acquitted no doubt but his maker will deliver the ultimate judgement on him right here on earth for 70 years before sending him to eternal hell fire.

    jorge zzizziman on July 13, 2013 at 1:49 am

      It was raining that night quite heavily at the time.

      But nevermind… a half white or Hispanic is NEVER EVER allowed to fight back or defend themselves from a black.

      JUST NEVER!!!!!!

      It is just ME AGAIN on July 13, 2013 at 2:14 am

Tried really hard to sray away from all the coverage on this case.
People on both sides have brought their biases and preconcieved notions in the discussion of this case.

No on will ever really know what happened that day.there r to many variables and holes.

That being said, he should be aquitted because there is more than enough reasonable doubt

Its just funny that liberals convicted zimmerman before the trial..but many consercatives were more than willing to gice zimmerman the benefit of the doubtand take his version of events as gospel.

The race baiting was sickening by liberals but conservatives jumping to conclusions was nor much better.

This is his day in court..he should be acquitted and that should be it..if there is an attempt to retry then that is a criminal act in my book.

sanjay on July 12, 2013 at 2:08 pm

    Hey Sanjay.
    In your effort to be even handed you mentioned how conservatives jumped to conclusions twice in an effort to cancel out the race baiting issue of liberals.
    Both sides did that apparently according to you so the score remains 2 sickening affronts by liberals. 1 sickening affront by conservatives.
    Plus if we take into account that liberals are generally being spoon fed the mainstream media narrative I think we find that conservatives are demonstrating more independence of thought.

    Thanks dummy

    Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm

      Ok, if that makes u feel better

      Just sick of this whole case…

      sanjay on July 12, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Tom Smykowski: It was a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor… and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.

Michael Bolton: That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life, Tom.

Samir: Yes, this is horrible, this idea.

Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm

“And if you don’t think they are considering it, think again. They are.

Will they do it? I’m not sure they would risk the outrage of half the country on this.”

Debbie, I know your real thought…there isn’t enough evidence to do that.

One criminal trial that should not have occurred is enough. A Federal case is nothing more than an interesting possibility…..but HIGHLY Highly unprobable.

Visteo on July 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm

If Zimmerman is acquitted, he should atleast face “manslaughter” charges, NOT first-degree murder, he didn’t kill Trayvon Martin for his own selfish pleasure, etc. However at the very sametime, the 911 operator told Zimmerman to stay put in his vehicle until they come and see what’s happening in the community, but Zimmerman wanted to play the hero by taking the law into his own hands (wrong move by GZ) and going after TM. Don’t get me wrong you guys, I’m not saying that Trayvon Martin was a saint and an angel, it was reported that Martin physically attacked a city transit bus driver before the incident occurred, the autopsy discovered drugs in Martin’s DNA when he was killed, etc. Had Zimmerman stayed in his vehicle when the 911 operator told him to do so, Martin would’ve been arrested, put in juvenile detention and still be alive today instead of dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    Sean
    I don’t really know much about this case but…

    “autopsy discovered drugs in Martin’s DNA when he was killed” – Sounds pretty racist or is that just me? Drugs don’t accumulate in the DNA of black people do they or is this a pet theory of yours?

    Don’t get me wrong there’s no way you could plausibly make Trayvon out to be an angel so that’s a throw away concession with cellophane angel wings flapping from you.

    Also you might find getting out your car to be a “heroic” action when there are what I’m assuming you’d consider to be dangerous black people with drugs in the DNA around but I’m not sure everybody else wants to see it that way.
    I guess we’ll just have to trust to 911 fast responders for a happy endings from now on.

    Ramadan Bombathon on July 12, 2013 at 3:42 pm

    While I do support your claim over the 911 dispatcher telling Zimmerman “we don’t need you to do that” in ref to following Martin, that is about the only piece of evidence in this claim that’s not tainted or muffed-up. Thats’s really just not good enough, the dispatcher HAD to say that for CYA reasons. Is this a scenario where malice and harm was intended? I highly doubt it, the kicker here is that it is highly probable Martin threw the first punch, acting in what he perceived to be his own defense or not. Following that he proceeded to bash Zimmerman’s head against pavement, if you are going to use the self-defense tactic you don’t get to proceed to beat the “attacker” to death, once Martin punched him (and obviously stunned him) he should have then called 911 himself, or screamed for help, or ran…..not continued wailing on Zimmerman. Could this have been avoided had Zimmerman stayed put? You betcha, was he legally required to? No. So here’s the bottom line: was Zimmerman in fear for his life when he shot Martin? I have deployed twice, I understand that fear, and the instantaneous reaction it brings on, I would have been in fear for my life at that point. So really after botching (not entirely through fault of their own) the Casey Anthony case, and giving in to public pressure to put on this goat-rope of a “hate crime” trial, maybe Florida just needs to overhaul their state attorney department all together!
    If Florida is preparing itself for the aftermath of this verdict, Obama will have to activate every national guard unit in the US if this even walks by a federal court! The aftermath of that would make “civil unrest” in Florida look like the toddler room in daycare by comparison.

    Forensic student on July 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm

    Sean, since I am replying so late you may miss this. I do know alot about this case.

    Zimmerman was already out of the car when he was told that he did not need to follow Trayvon.

    He claims that he only went across the sidewalk to get an address. I believe the idiot probably looked down between the buildings for Trayvon…maybe he was rationalizing…I need to get an address (then maybe I’ll see where he went).

    The poor guy broke no laws but has been vilified. Maybe we need a “card for age – follow law”.

    Visteo on July 13, 2013 at 9:43 pm

Oh, but it gets worse Deb. The Justice Department was actually paying people in Florida to demonstrate against Zimmerman. In short, the Justice Department was paying for what amounts to mob rule. Thousands of Federal Dollars went to support those who demonstrated against Zimmerman.

This is not America anymore. It is time for secession by the freedom loving states.

Jonathan E. Grant on July 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    The Souhern states tried that idea before and LOST due to lack of INDUSTRY…. ah HA! This time the south has not only industry but has MORE military bases. HMMMMM might be worth another go at it…: )

    It is just ME AGAIN on July 13, 2013 at 2:19 am

Whatever happens in this case and in all other matters you can count on Obama and Holder to do the wrong thing

Wally on July 12, 2013 at 3:49 pm

The constitution was designed to protect the citizenry from government, and there for, a person cannot violate another persons civil rights. That is why we have state laws to protect citizens from citizens. Only a governmental agency can violate someones civil rights.

Craig on July 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm

Let’s not forget the “wrongful death” civil lawsuit that will be pending in civil court. This is how they got OJ after he was acquitted. I am sure that Trayvon’s parents have hired the Cochran Firm to represent them in their endeavor.

devildog on July 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm

    Fyi, Cochran is dead.

    Maybe they will sue..but Zimmerman is no OJ..no where near the assets.

    sanjay on July 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm

Yes, double jeopardy for many – but many don’t even get single jeopardy, and are not tried at all. The Clintons come to mind, along with all the other crook politicians nationally and locally. So does it even out? Double jeopardy for the powerless politically incorrect and zero jeopardy for the connected politician crooks and their buddies?

Little Al on July 12, 2013 at 5:39 pm

It’s just ALMOST time for an armed rebellion. The narcissistic, self-serving politicians in Washington DC, the entire obamanation administration, worthless bureaucrats and freeloading welfare parasites everywhere need to be EXTERMINATED…..just like any other life-killing virus would be eliminated.

RodInTexas on July 12, 2013 at 7:19 pm

after obamas term is over , he most likely will go back to Kenya laughing , where he was born , thinking what fools they are,WOW !!! PPL the fox is in the house ,WAKE UP !!! Maybe to damn late ! Our men in arms are hungry :(

troy hardy on July 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm

I don’t think the feds will file charges. You don’t have right racial mix (white guys vs. minorities) despite the white Hispanic label. You don’t have white cops beating up the 2-legged turd, Rodney King. With elections coming up in 2014, pursuing charges against a private citizen who was defending himself would hurt Democrats, certainly with gun owners, whites and some Hispanics. And now we know that the DOJ was aiding and abetting anti-Zimmerman activists. The current defense team did not pursue that but I believe a defense team defending Zimmerman on federal charges will investigate it more. And the House should anyway.

Concerned Citizen on July 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm

Obama is a piece of shit terrorist

Nico on July 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm

this is all bullshit rascist crap…while obama has tthe court system tied up with make believe shit real criminals are killing…terrorists…well lets take it easy on them but someone defending themselves gets the shaft…Obam should be inpeached and we all know it… the goverment is to afraid because Obama will cry the race card….i am bot rascist an asshole is an asshole…now lets do something about it befe he starts a cicil war right here….
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concerned citizen and veteran on July 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm

impeach Obama ASAP. What can I do to help make this happen?

Jason on July 12, 2013 at 9:11 pm

Why are there not people standing up for zimerman. There are gangs and the government rallying against zimerman. People should be standing up for thier safety against the racial clamers.

robert pake on July 12, 2013 at 9:55 pm

If we’re not careful, there could be triple jeopardy before too long. The UN, or World Court.

Little Al on July 13, 2013 at 1:33 am

WHY DID HE GET OUT OF THE CAR? WHY DID THE POLICE NOT ARREST HIM AB INITIO? HOW COME HE HAD ALL THOSE INJURIES AND THERE WAS NONE ON TRAYVON….DID THE POLICE SET UP THOSE INJURIES TO MAKE IT LOOK THE WAY IT DOES NOW? WHY WAS THE CRIME SCENE POORLY PRESERVED AND EVIDENCE POORLY COLLECTED? DID THE POLICE TAMPER WITH OR EVEN MANUFACTURE EVIDENCE ON GETTING TO THE SCENE..? ZIMMERMAN WAS BLACK AND TRAYVON WHITE WILL THIS BLOG HAVE A DIFFERENT CONTENT AND NARRATIVE. OJ DID IT AND HIS LIFE HAS BEEN SHIT SINCE THEN. ZIMMERMAN WILL BE THE SAME IF ACQUITTED.

jorge zzizziman on July 13, 2013 at 1:36 am

This actually is NOT true. Legal jurisdiction is determined before trial. Double Jeopardy is not possible. Furthermore it would be the Justice Department, not the Obama administration. I don’t know who Debbie Schlussel is, but this article is nothing more than a self portrait of ignorance.

Ignorant Article on July 13, 2013 at 1:54 am

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

amendment 5 of the US constitution.

Kurt Cook on July 13, 2013 at 2:28 am

Actually, Ignorant Article, the DoJ IS a part of the Obama Administration. DoJ, IRS, FDA, DoA, etc, etc, ALL fall under the purview of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, ie the Obama Administration.

Speaking of ignorance…

Me, Not You on July 13, 2013 at 11:42 am

The very people responsible for fast and furious deaths where they sold illegal weapons to drug cartels… over 300 souls and counting are considering federal prosecution of an innocent man? That’s rich, isn’t it?

spyder dalton on July 13, 2013 at 1:36 pm

Zimmerman should fly to Russia and hang out in the airport until he finds a decent country to grant him asylum.

tony on July 13, 2013 at 1:51 pm

This Debbie “woman” is a Koch-sucking moron.. Stop reading her made-up propaganda right wing bullshit.. and get some facts..

marie claire dupre on July 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm

    So speaks the Soros drone whose “facts” are made up from their tuchis.

    ConcernedPatriot on July 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm

Just don’t forget – Holder has pointed out that he would never prosecute any case where the perpetrators were black, and the victims were white. And he (and Obama, and Van Jones, and the ACLU, and on and on) obviously couldn’t care less that statistically, black-on-black crime is much higher than black-on-white crime.

ConcernedPatriot on July 13, 2013 at 2:49 pm

DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. THAT WILL BE REACTION FOR AN ACTION.

frank on July 13, 2013 at 7:18 pm

if it wasn’t for the racist negroes,obama and holder Zimmerman would not have been charged now we have both prosecutor and a commie judge saying that zim is guilty of something,anything we make up.

BRUCE on July 13, 2013 at 7:38 pm

In general, the jury system offers the best chance for justice. And I would agree that in most cases, a person should not by tried twice for the same crime. However, no system is perfect because people are not perfect, in spite of all the safeguards that are built into the system that are supposed to work.

Consequently, there are sometimes circumstances that warrant intervention in the jury system. Such intervention should be the exception, however, and should only be justified when the system itself failed to function fairly.

The original jury verdict in the Rodney King case clearly was NOT one of those exceptions, and the Federal intervention was a response to what? Destruction of cities and looting of Asian merchants by rioters? And that has what to do with some purported perceived racial bias on the part of the Simi Valley jury in the King case?

With regard to the O.J. Simpson case in Los Angeles, I have always believed that the case was DELIBERATELY MOVED from Simpson’s real home base in Brentwood, CA to downtown Los Angeles to increase the likelihood that Simpson would walk free by increasing the likelihood of his getting a racially biased jury. The reason for that move was, in my opinion, obviously designed to minimum the chances of another race riot if Simpson were convicted. So the Simpson case was actually an example of a case in which Federal intervention SHOULD have taken place because of inverse racism, but the Federal Government goes along with the concept that racism is only a one-way street.

And there are also cases in history in which intervention is necessary because a jury has WRONGLY CONVICTED a person. One of the most powerful such cases is the Leo Frank trial in 1913 that took place in Atlanta, Georgia, and in which Frank was convicted of murdering a 13-year old employee, Mary Phagen, at the pencil factory where Frank was the manager and son-in-law of one of the owners.

I won’t go into all the details here, if you are not familiar with the case, but when the evidence was looked at objectively, guilt actually pointed to Jim Conley, the factory’s janitor, and the prosecution’s star witness AGAINST Frank. (Later, William Smith, Conley’s own attorney would acknowledge that he believed that his own client, Conley, was guilty, not Frank.)

Remember, this was a different time, but an instructive one for us today. In the Frank case, the all-white jury chose (or was pressured) to “believe” a black janitor over a Jewish manager, even though the people of Atlanta, Georgia at that time generally considered blacks to be inferior and untrustworthy. The sad “moral” of this story: hatred for Jews trumps racism.

Appeals followed the guilty verdict, but justice was again denied. The case went all the way to the SCOTUS. But Frank lost again in a 7-2 vote. Only Oliver Wendell Holmes and Charles Evans Hughes dissented. (And they certainly don’t make SCOTUS justices like those two anymore–but that should go without saying.)

One man, however, demonstrated exceptional bravery and character in this tragic case: departing Governor of Georgia, John M. Slaton. Slaton investigated and recognized the grave injustice and failure of the legal system, and intervened, commuting Frank’s sentence–one day before Frank was scheduled to be hanged.

But the tragedy did not end there. A lynch mob would take the law entire their own hands anyway, and they broke into the facility where Frank was being held, kidnapped him, and then hung him from a tree. The lynch mob included “law” officers, politicians, and even “judges.” This was America.

The case has been dramatized several times, and I’ve seen three of them–each very well done, as far as they go. One was a TV show as part of the “Profiles in Courage” series based on the JFK book by that name, with Walter Matthau as Slaton; another as a telemovie with Jack Lemmon as Slaton (who, interestingly, was a close friend of Matthau’s, and they are buried next to each other at Westwood Cemetery in LA); and the other was a musical version entitled “Parade.” There are also many books on the case, and I’ve read several of those too.

Bottom Line: The jury system is the best system we’ve got, but there are cases where intervention is needed because the system has failed.

Ralph Adamo on July 13, 2013 at 9:08 pm

Deb, have you seen what is being written today from the center to the far left?

CNN can’t get the facts staight or is it intentional?

“A 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman that officers were on the way and not to follow the allegedly suspicious person.
Nonetheless, Zimmerman got out of his car, later telling police he just wanted to get a definitive address to relay to authorities.”

He was already out of the car when asked not to follow….sorry but I could not read any further since the story starts with a wrong accounting of fact.

Here is a liberal rags editorial comment Politicususa…

“Trayvon Martin was tried, convicted, and executed by George Zimmerman who thought Trayvon was in the “commission of a forcible felony” of walking while Black in a white neighborhood, and no reasonable human being can argue otherwise.”

WOW!!!

Visteo on July 13, 2013 at 9:31 pm

George Zimmerman was acquitted tonight on Florida manslaughter charges.

I thought he would be convicted. The jury hearing the case agreed though that it was an open and shut case of seld defense – a complete legal defense in a murder case.

While he’s a free man tonight, Zimmerman could still face federal charges. A man cannot be tried twice for the same crime in the same court but he can be tried for violating federal civil rights laws.

With liberal federal prosecutors and the race-baiting surrounding this case, that remains a real possibility. Like Debbie wrote, this drama is far from over, despite what happened tonight.

NormanF on July 13, 2013 at 11:42 pm

REALLY…the Obama administration isn’t going to waste their time on re-prosecuting him. Who comes up with these stupid ass stories?

Tim Gray on July 13, 2013 at 11:55 pm

I won’t post this on twitter because too many things have gone wrong… and Zimmerman doesn’t deserve to have more to worry about than staying alive at this time.

herself311 on July 14, 2013 at 7:24 am

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