September 11, 2014, - 8:05 am

On 9/11, Remember WHO DID IT & WHO CELEBRATED; Best PR Move By Muslims. Ever.

by Debbie Schlussel

Every year on the anniversary of 9/11, including today, I put up the three things every American needs to know and remember. And, so, it’s annoying that on the eve of what should be a solemn American day, Barack Obama told the nation that ISIS isn’t Islamic and used the perpetual, old line that “every religion has its extremists.” Um, sorry, Barack, but ISIS is very Islamic. As Islamic as a mosque and the koran. As Islamic as the Hadith, the word of mohammed that is as binding as the koran and commands Muslims to kill us. (In one of the Hadith, a tree tells a Muslim there is a Jew hiding behind it and commands the Muslim to kill the Jew).



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And if there are “extremists” in every religion, where is the Catholic ISIS, the Baptist one, the Jewish one. Where’s the Christian HAMAS and Hezbollah and Martyrs Brigades? Why is there Islamic Jihad, but no group that proclaims itself Jewish Jihad or Hindu Jihad? No, Mr. President, every other religion does not have extremists like Islam. And Islam is extreme. The extremists are the dominant force, the mainstream.

By the way, before you read my three things to remember on 9/11, here are a few additional things you need to remember: remember the assorted hucksters, con artists, and phonies who’ve fraudulently turned 9/11 into their commercial brand and used it to fill their coffers (including Palestinian Muslim con artist Hanan Qahwaji Tudor a/k/a “Brigitte Gabriel”–whose entire “life story” is false (more to come), fake terrorist/genuine stalker Walid Shoebat (who told CNN he bombed an Israeli bank and told FOX News he didn’t–YouTube it and note he can’t even get his grifter stories straight), car loan fraud perpetrator Scamela Geller (who has two murders in her path, more than most Muslims), and assorted other malefactors). These 9/11 pimps are laughing at you all the way to the bank. Cha-ching!

And remember, as I’ve noted many times before, that the 9/11 attacks were the best public relations move ever by Muslims, who got America, its leaders, pop culture, and other American societal forces to bend over backward (and forward) for Islam, Muslims, their intolerance, and their regressive, backward ways. And got them to make American less safe than we were on 9/10/01.

And got our previous President to expend American lives and limbs to transfer Iraq from a Sunni Muslim dictator who hated us to Iranian-backed Shi’ite Muslim “liberal Democrats” who hate us and now want us to save them from ISIS which inhabited the void Bush (not Obama) created by taking Saddam out and putting in Hezbo Shi’ites. Our soldiers could not stay there forever, constantly being picked off–constantly giving their lives and limbs–to protect Shi’ite Muslims in power who excluded Sunnis, Christians, and others.

Remember also that 13 years later, Ground Zero is still not entirely rebuilt, and its most prominent “jewel” is a museum that whitewashes the whole incident (and, yet, Muslims still whine because we didn’t show pictures of the cast of “Beverly Hills 90210” as the perpetrators). So much for “showing them.” Nope, they showed us and continue to have the last laugh, as now we are cowering from ISIS and our President and the media are telling us The Islamic State is not Islamic (when it is very much so). The Arab nuclear Spring was begun by Bush with his push for “democratic elections” in Gaza, Iraq, and Lebanon, which as a result became HAMASastan, an Iranian-satellite-state-cum-ISIS/ISIL/IS, and Hezbollahstan–another Iranian satellite state. It was continued with Barack Obama’s pushes in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria, using American pressure, support, money, weaponry, and CIA advisors. And now ISIS has filled the void created by these two men who spent American lives in the name of Muslim “democracy” as a reward for 19 Muslims mass-murdering 3,000 Americans. If we did this during World War II, the whole world would be saluting Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo. You would be. I wouldn’t be here, as my grandparents were liberated from Bergen Belsen concentration camp.

I detest those who say today is “Patriots Day” or a “national day of service,” but won’t say why or who made today a day of solemn mourning as it should be for nearly 3,000 Americans who were mass-murdered on our soil. Those who say we should “remember” 9/11, but who skip over the part about WHO DID IT and WHO CELEBRATED IT, are not remembering it at all. The 9/11 attacks were not committed by ghosts or the invisible man. They were not perpetrated by Fijians or Samoans or the North Dakota Coven of Sexy Wiccans. And those same groups didn’t celebrate the attacks. Nope, it was one group, with 1.8 billion adherents worldwide that did both the mass murder and the celebrating afterword. If you won’t admit that, you aren’t remembering a thing. You’re in fantasyland (and not the kind with the 72 Helen Thomases). Yup, that same religion that isn’t protesting in the streets against ISIS the way they do when they daily rounded up 10,000 Muslims to march in support of HAMAS and Hezbollah in Detroit and Dearbornistan.

So here are the other main things you must remember on this and every 9/11 anniversary and every other day . . .

* REMEMBER WHO WAS MURDERED & DIED ON THAT DAY:

Nearly 3,000 innocent people targeted and murdered in cold blood because they were Americans. People like my cousin, Jon Schlissel, who heroically went back to his office to save someone who needed help getting out. The Muslims who died that day were collateral damage and not the target of the Muslims who perpetrated the attacks. Clearly, their deaths meant nothing to their fellow Muslims around the world, who cheered the attacks, passed out candy, danced in the streets, and let out their stupid hyena-like, “lalalalalalahs.” The deaths of these Muslims are important to them and the mainstream media only for politically correct public relations purposes.







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My Cousin, Jon Schlissel, Z”L (Of Blessed Memory), Died on 9/11

* REMEMBER WHO DID IT:

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“9/11 Was an Islam Job” Graphic By Reader Doda McCheesle

This was the act of 19 Arab Muslim men. No, they weren’t “random” people acting alone. They didn’t “hijack a religion” or any of that other BS we’ve heard rotely regurgitated for the last ten years. Their religion–ISLAM–hijacked them, and it continues its slow hijacking of America because we continue to let their fellow co-religionists in and we continue to bend over for them. Islam is at war with the West, particularly America. So long as we continue to claim we are not at war with Islam, we are losing that war.

* REMEMBER WHO CELEBRATED & CHEERED:

Muslims around the world–Palestinian Muslims on the streets of Ramallah, Palestinian Muslim Sunnis on the streets of Patterson, New Jersey, Shi’ite Muslims who were waiters and staff at a Middle Eastern restaurant in West Bloomfield, Michigan, Lebanese, Iraqi, and Iranian Shi’ite Muslims all over Dearbornistan. And, as I noted, the Pew Research Center reveals that at least a third of these “American” (in name only) Muslims openly support Al-Qaeda and suicide bombings against Americans, which means they still celebrate.

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Palestinian Woman on Ramallah Street Cheers 9/11 Attacks.

The biotch Katie Couric gives excuses for it (and blames Israel–you know, blame the JOOOOS):

Watch the video below to remember what really happened on 9/11:

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105 Responses

well said
debby dumpling

will the msm ever acknowledge that
o’bama is a lying pig

will they acknowledge that at best
he is a cheap shill for
moose – lamb – pigs

time for the american people to
rise up against the msm

prestigio on September 11, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Until we have an honest, and not agenda driven state run media, we will continue to see censorship and spin on a daily basis. It is too bad that no one in the “Media” has the courage to speak the truth – – that we have a Muslim in office covering for his brethren.

    Victoryman on September 12, 2014 at 9:45 am

And also remember that it the BBC (or CNN) reported the 9/11 attacks like they report attacks against Israel it would look like this:
http://edgar1981.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/reporting-911.html

Jennifer Aschcroft on September 11, 2014 at 9:05 am

    an excellent article Jennifer

    Tommy S on September 12, 2014 at 3:46 am

With all due respect, Debbie Schlussel, you for got one more item in your post…

REMEMBER WHO SURRENDERED

Rather than show resolve against evil and champion the unity of Western civilization, many “mainstream” institutions started to pay more lip service and give concessions to Muslims at the expense of all other religious groups and national pride.

You have school boards banning books about pigs for fear of offending Muslims, soldiers not being permitted on school grounds to see their children for fear of upsetting certain “minorities”, etc.

Had 9/11 happened in the 70s or 80s (or even the 90s), the perpetrators would’ve been hunted down, their military apparatus dismantled and their collective will crushed. But in hindsight, the attacks on New York, Washington and Pennsylvania didn’t bring Americans together to fight a common foe. Instead, with arguments about whether Islam is a peaceful religion or not (answer: neither was Judaism or Xtianity, but more on that later) and the idealization of the Arabs as a noble species, rather than treating 9/11 as Pearl Harbour, many have treated it as Hiroshima and Nagasaki – 2 attacks that forced Imperial Japan to sue for peace. In spite of all grandstanding, sabre-rattling and grand gestures (GW2, anyone), America, and Western (European) civilization had been waving the white flag.

One would argue that Judaism and Xtianity were once bloodthirsty religions: it’s true that both “Old” and “New” Testaments contain stories about war, genocide and retribution and punishments for various sins were dire. But under this mixture of Babylonian, Persian, Greco-Roman and Northern European traditions, civilizations evolved into more compassionate and enlightened secular entities.

But Islam is a fine example of Marx’s argument that religion is the opiate of the (under-informed) masses. Whoever could amass the most money and swords could lead the faithful through a single god(-ess). True – the attackers on 9/11 were well educated and knew what they were doing when they commandeered the planes. But the people who created Islam (there is no such person as Mohammed, just as there is no such god as Allah) didn’t care about people’s enlightenment aside from exploiting such need in pursuit of power and domination over “inferior” peoples. While other religions have excepted diversity as a means to gain converts, Islam still only favours one group over others without exception. Which is why Sotloff still lost his head despite reverting to Islam – ie. you can make a pig a Xtian but it’s still destined to become bacon in the end.

Long story short – given recent Holly-weird movies about noble savages, we have surrendered without really firing back. And all that war done was nothing but smoke and mirrors.

End rant. Let the poor souls rest. I need to look for a job.

The Reverend Jacques on September 11, 2014 at 9:26 am

    Rev. this is just the standard blah blah about Islam being a religion just like any other which means you don’t much about Islam and you have the standard redacted historical view.

    What particularly annoys me is your implication that confronting the reality of Islam is creating frictions which is the heart of the problem.
    Another demonstration of utter cluelessness. This is just how Islam works and has always worked. It’s called the Fitna.

    “Let the poor souls rest” I need to continue my job search.
    Well, thanks for that.

    Given your family’s experience in Algeria you’d think that the ostrich approach would have worn off on you but no. You’ll continue doing what you do.

    Thanks

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 10:23 am

      Right back @ japple.

      Debbie once berated me about a shortcoming. “RIF” – “Reading Is Fundamental”.

      What I am trying to say is that Islam is man-made. Those who control it control the followers.

      The only difference between Islam and other religions that are (arguably) made and led by men is that the leaders could not see beyond their greed, prejudices and lust for power. God may have created the heavens and earth, but men call the shots. You know this. I know this.

      But bear in mind that assuming the enemy is as stupid as dirt is wrong. At the risk of appearing offensive, Arabs/Muslims are no dummies. They have an agenda that hasn’t changed since the dawn of recorded time. They must be stopped, if not eliminated completely.

      Oh, and as you can tell from my and the last post, I’m an atheist.

      You’re welcome.

      The Reverend Jacques on September 11, 2014 at 10:44 am

        If it wasn’t drummed into me at school and university it was drummed into me by the culture.
        “but men call the shots”
        – However this classic Marxian analysis history always fell short for me even the first time I was made aware of it because often the men who’ve called the shots have been sincere believers themselves.
        So the idea of religion as purely manipulative entity for maintaining class privilege never struck me as very convincing.

        Much got made of this during Reagan’s presidency for example but the faith that supposedly would have had him blow up the world Doctor Strangelove style was also something at the same time he cynically manipulated.
        This analysis is faulty because it’s based on a view of the world that is mechanically materialist just as all solutions seemed to be mechanical when Marx was hatching his dinosaur egg at the beginning of the industrial revolution.

        japple on September 11, 2014 at 12:44 pm

        “The only difference between Islam and other religions” is “that the leaders could not see beyond their greed, prejudices and lust for power” –

        This is not a difference it’s commonality. What you’re saying is that the only difference between Islam and other religions is that they’re all the same.

        Nonsense.
        In this view of things Christianity is pretty much the same as Aztec blood sacrifice religions.
        It’s not even true that all people are the same but because of its been drummed into from an early age that you should never make judgements about people in the aggregate you should only focus on finding commonality for some ideal system they should live under you can’t even confront the most basic facts looking you right in the face.

        japple on September 11, 2014 at 12:56 pm

    “One would argue that Judaism and Xtianity were once bloodthirsty religions” – “let him who is without sin, cast the first stone”

    Now I know why you call yourself the Reverend but I don’t take you any more seriously than any other shady huckster working over his congregation.

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 10:26 am

    OK, after reading your comments again I realize I may have done you a disservice but you still only relate to Islam in terms of proving Marx’s point.

    The fact of the matter is you’ve surrendered as much as the culture but the difference with you is that you like to pick at the scab.

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 10:39 am

      Don’t get me wrong. I didn’t mean to preach the “gospel” of atheism to anyone. But if you read your history, you’ll find out that religion and tribalism go hand in hand.

      If you have read the gospels of Jesus Christ and the history of the Roman Catholic Church, you may find out that the Romans might have invented Christianity as a way of uniting the empire. But I digress.

      Let be content with agreeing to disagree.

      The Reverend Jacques on September 11, 2014 at 10:51 am

        Yes, but tribalism is not really the issue since there can’t be any “diversity” without some division of people along lines that could be loosely defined as tribal.
        With you guys it’s always tribalism, tribalism tribalism like a broken record.
        No offence but what you mean by tribalism are negative aspects of diversity as you perceive them.
        Problem is people don’t work the way Marxists want them to but for Marxists this is no problem because they just define those people as the problem. It’s sad but there we are. I know you’re probably not a Marxist but as you can no doubt agree he’s influential.

        The other standard error you make is to refer to the equivalence between references to warfare in Judeo Christian texts and those of Islam.
        Every people has engaged in warfare over its history. Juadaism is sort of unique in that its religious texts are a kind of history document(accuracy aside that’s another discussion).

        That’s entirely different to Islam which preaches an ongoing doctrine of warfare against unbelievers from its very inception.

        japple on September 11, 2014 at 11:44 am

    There should have been a fail-safe “check and edit your post before/after posting” feature so that I could post something readable as this…

    While other religions have accepted diversity as a means to gain converts, Islam still only favours one group over others without exception. Which is why Sotloff still lost his head despite reverting to Islam – ie. you can make a pig a Xtian but it’s still destined to become bacon in the end.

    Translation: only Islam excepts diversity.

    Point clarified.

    The Reverend Jacques on September 11, 2014 at 11:19 am

      I know exactly what you mean. Many times I’ve wanted to re-edit. Thanks for the clarification Jacques

      japple on September 11, 2014 at 12:11 pm

I laugh when I read “extreme” Islam. What ISIS is today is how ISLAM spread throughout a thousand years ago. They are ISLAM. The Muslim Brotherhood is real, it’s supported by Turkey and Qatar. It has tentacles here in Gulen run Charter Schools. Islam is ISIS and what you see. Don’t get me wrong, not all muslims are ISIS types. On the Shia camp, ditto. Although, there may be a shia connection to the MB. But the emergence of these groups is not organic 100 percent.

Since 9/11, the spread of Islam all over America is more noticable. The giant mosque outside of Washington, DC is their bulkhead in our nation.

helpyoself on September 11, 2014 at 10:05 am

The fact that a Muslim by birtright is our president 13 years later is a huge win for the Islamic world.

helpyoself on September 11, 2014 at 10:07 am

@Debbie–

Fine posting. Perhaps, you are too kind to also add that the reluctance to cast specific blame on Islam, or even recognize evil at all, represents nothing more than functional atheism– the dominant religion of America.

You see, to acknowledge that evil exists leads inexorably to the notion of morality. Good vs evil, if you like.

However, objective good and evil, and thus morality can ONLY exist if there is a God. After all, by what secular standard (other than laws, which are based on the 10 commandments) is killing people wrong? As such, “evil” is explained away–endlessly–as “extremism” or a good man making bad decisions, or a troubled childhood, or being under the influence of drugs or alcohol, etc etc.

As proof, some elements of the Law of the Jungle persist even in our “advanced” culture, such as abortion. And in Europe, you have euthanasia.

Prometheus on September 11, 2014 at 10:14 am

“And if there are “extremists” in every religion, where is the Catholic ISIS, the Baptist one, the Jewish one. Where’s the Christian HAMAS and Hezbollah and Martyrs Brigades?”

Debbie’s point here couldn’t be more telling. The issue isn’t the rare psycho, but organized psychotic behavior. That is why we must strive for NO MORE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD. This is not so difficult as it may seem. After all, a cult that spread via certain strategies and tactics can be rolled back by a comparable approach. This will not be done in a year, but it is NOT a problem in a few decades. The first thing to do is kick the Mooooooslims out of the West; after this we’ll have plenty of time to eliminate the remaining ones in a more leisurely fashion.

Islam has had its losses. Consider that before oil gave the Dar al-Islam resources, we had only the rare act of terrorism to deal with. But this time, we should not be satisfied with creating a weak Islam. Nope, all Muslims must be subjugated until they leave Islam for a real religion. No more mosques, no more stupid meteorite in Mecca. Muslims are Bnei Amalek. We cannot wipe all evil out in the world, but we can wipe this particular evil out. For good.

skzion on September 11, 2014 at 10:22 am

    Right on, skz!

    DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 11:57 am

    Military losses seem to be the only ones they really understand.

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    Some Arabs realize this and the following skit from Lebanese TV is very funny:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VbgpSqnOqok

    Of course the caveat being some homocide bombers are more equal than others. Blowing up oneself for Allah is supposed to be an orgasmic high. Not always.

    And since both Sunnis and Shiites have made it an art form, it hits close to home.

    NormanF on September 11, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Very well put. Islam in a NUTshell: “The issue isn’t the rare psycho, but organized psychotic behavior.”

    theShadow on September 12, 2014 at 12:23 am

    I totally agree

    Tommy S on September 12, 2014 at 3:53 am

Agreed that the Patriot’s Day or some other sanctioned federal holiday is rediculous. Also agree that most of the people with thier “Never Forget” t-shirts lost their focus by the time that they threw them in the hamper the following week to wash. Disagree that everyone has forgotten; I can still smell that acrid smoke in my mind.

nadie on September 11, 2014 at 10:35 am

I agree with you one hundred percent Debbie but I must point out one thing on this thread that is incorrect. That picture of the fireman raising the American flag. It is a staged picture. The ESU of the NYPD had already raised an American flag on the rubble. The NYFD repeated it for publicity. A small error perhaps but an error nonetheless.

Steve Bigden on September 11, 2014 at 10:47 am

Here in my country, Argentina, everyone celebrated the attack also

Iris on September 11, 2014 at 10:53 am

    That is because those people were born to be slaves and of course that is also one of the reasons so many Nazis moved to your lovely land after WWII.

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 11:01 am

      No, this is for the Operation Condor. And much more…

      Iris on September 11, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    Too many words to describe yourself. “Stupid” would have been sufficient !

    Francois on September 11, 2014 at 12:22 pm

Great, sobering article, Debbie. What a nauseating day in America it is today save for this beacon of truth right here.

DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 11:50 am

Thanks Debbie. Agree. The religion of peace is a fable. I blame Bush for that who went ahead and in the interest of political correctness became an apologist for Islam. I don’t trust any of them. Especially the innocent looking ones.

OrlandoRican on September 11, 2014 at 12:02 pm

@ iris
Too many words to describe yourself. “Stupid” would have been sufficient !

Francois on September 11, 2014 at 12:24 pm

Just had a good LOL when I clicked on one of Debbie’s archives:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5460/continental-airlines-apologizes-to-muslim-oompa-loompa-lookalike-for-making-him-go-through-security/

Never gets old.

DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 1:14 pm

“Oompa loompa” – LOL!

DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    That was a great link, DSR.

    skzion on September 11, 2014 at 4:00 pm

I get teed off when our President and other luminaries declare the Islamic state is a perversion of Islam.

Huh? When Islam terrorists declare they’re fulfilling the precepts of Islam, we suddenly feel the need to shout they’re not. We know the truth deep down inside but we can’t face it.

That’s why the 9/11 anniversary is a fraud. America will never be secure – or free – as long as it can’t name the enemy who killed over 3000 Americans. They weren’t just killed out of the blue on a fall morning in 2001.

And the Muslim World is laughing at us that we couldn’t rebuild the World Trade Towers. 13 years later, we are feeling more sensitive about Muslims’ feeling of being judged for their crime than we do for the injured and dead they left behind for us.

As Debbie always likes to say we’re desperate but not serious. What we face isn’t just limited to Muslims either. Pro Hezbollah and anti-Israel Christians jeered Republican Senator Ted Cruz of the stage of a conference for giving a passionate defense of Israel.

We have a lot work to do and we haven’t gotten started on it. Have we really learned what 9/11 truly means as a day? Not even close.

NormanF on September 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm

Good evenning Dear Debbie,Thnks for sharing.Every day ,every single day I Think of all approximatelly 3000 people who left us in a terrible way, and now are in Heavan.9/11 is the sadest most sadest day for me in my life.And I get so angry about those who did this terrible terrible act.RIP-For all those who are resting in Heavan..

TIRDAD GHARIB on September 11, 2014 at 2:36 pm

My son went to Lowrey School in East Dearborn in the Special Education program in the early 70’s. He was POHI. He used to come home and tell me about the Arabs picking on the Special Ed children. At the time I paid very little attention. I should have been listening; just look at Dearbornistan now…

Don’t always agree with what Schlussel says but she is right on in this article…

Beve on September 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Beve: There are different kinds of Arabs in Dearborn and Detroit metro area, mulsims, Chaldeans, etc. and picking on handicapped kids isn’t the sole domain of Arabs. Terrorism is pretty much the sole domain of muslims, Arabs or otherwise, however.

    We used to pick on kids from a school for the deaf in Pittsburgh when we were kids back in the ’70s, but none of us grew up to be filthy muslims or terrorists. Also most of us felt remorse, or at least I did.

    DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 3:03 pm

I completely agree with everything in you’ve stated in this thread of yours DS, and yes, we shall not forget those who cowardly attacked us 13 years ago on this particular date, and it was, “Islamic terrorists” who were the main culprits responsible for doing this to us. And yes, in that Koranic texture you’ve mentioned DS, it does say that about Jewish people, that if you spot a Jewish person, to physically harm him/her to death.

You also said at the beginning of the source about extremism, I’ll have to logically concur and disagree with you on that little statement DS, the reality is that ALL organized religions in their history have done bloodthirsty and evil stuff in the name of their sky-deity and dogmatic religious views as well. At the beginning of Judaism, the followers of that faith were violent and brutalizers, then thankfully for the Jews, they reformed and evolved their faith and thinking and accepted everyone’s views that alternates from there’s. Same thing with the Christians, they to were bloodthirsty and brutalizers, then about 400-500 years ago, the Age of Enlightenment occurred in Western-Europe to counter religious-fundamentalism (Christianity at the time was ultra influential and violent just as Islam is today), and the Christians to their own credit evolved their thinking and accepted differentiating viewpoints. Now, it’s Islam’s turn to reform and evolve their faith, and/or, it needs to be outlawed if they refuse to do so (I have separate options instead of the “ban Islam” my-way or the highway view).

And let us define the terminology “terrorism/terrorist”: it’s definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear, are perpetrated for a religious, political or philosophical-idealistic goal and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants, etc. And the term terrorism derived off of the French word “terrorisme”, and originally referred specifically to state terrorism as practiced by the French government during the 1793-1794 Reign of terror during the French Revolution!

Sean R. on September 11, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    Sean you are redundant and you’re a bozo.
    Islam has murdered approximately 250 million people since it was born in blood in the 7th century and doesn’t show any signs of slowing down.

    Reverend Jacques already made a similar kind of point but a lot better than you earlier in the thread.

    japple on September 11, 2014 at 4:15 pm

      japple: Reverend Jacques already made a similar kind of point but a lot better than you earlier in the thread.

      Weak minds think alike!

      Sean R. is our resident alternate-universe Archie Bunker.

      DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    I’ll have to logically concur and disagree with you on that little statement…

    Sounds like a plan.

    DS_ROCKS! on September 11, 2014 at 4:49 pm

Islam is reforming. That reformation is the Islamic State you lickspittle.

japple on September 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm

Islam doesn’t have its own word for terrorism because it’s prophet declared that its adherents would be victorious in terror.
You know what that makes terrorists Shaun? Good Muslims.

japple on September 11, 2014 at 4:20 pm

I don’t think you’re the original Sean R.
Most likely you’re a fraud.

japple on September 11, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Well sir or ma’am, you seem to take a little shots at me by somewhat using me personally as a “red-herring”, FYI, I’ve been a member of this source for about 5 years and counting, I happen to live in the real world, instead of a “cocoon” and obliged to propaganda.

    What I’ve stated in my comment yesterday were all historical “FACTS” and not opinions and viewpoints of myself, I also gave out the precise definitions of terrorists and terrorism, and you don’t have to murder people all time in order to be a terrorist, terrorism as I thoroughly explained come in all shapes and sizes, whether its religion, politics, etc. Many of the members here (including Ms. Schlussel) recognize me and my thinking and writing styles, they know that I happen to think for myself and not just take other people’s opinion as gospel and be gullible (that’s not critical-thinking).

    And over the years, I’ve both defended and learned that DS has been the victim of coercion’s from the so-called “RoP”, in which they’ve done intimidating tactics upon her livelihood by wanting to do some sort of physical harm to the poor woman, because to her own credit, she call’s out nefarious, fishy and suspect acts and behavior from those who abhor to Islam in a fanatical hardline way, and she’s also prosecuted some of them in a court of law of Muslim-fundies who’ve made death-threats & sexual-assault threats to her life. And it’s ok that you don’t recognize me that much, I assume that you’re a newbie to the source (which I understand and not mocking), but on some to many occasions, I do add my two-cents to any of story that the author brings to the table, so in that regards, I am who I am (the real Sean R.)!

    Sean R. on September 12, 2014 at 4:33 pm

I left work extremely late yesterday and a friend of mine had text me and asked if I was watching the president. I responded no, and asked what is he saying. She replied, “he is telling America that Isis isn’t Muslims. I thought maybe she mis-heard him because that’s ludicrous. It seems she was right. Why would make that a point in his speech? Does he think its going to change our view of these nutters? A complete waste of air trying to make us think otherwise.

The president is such a disappointment, its saddening.

MrBigBrain on September 11, 2014 at 5:54 pm

Post Script. Yes the Hadith is where 90% of the madness is stated. The Hadith-Ways of the Prophet causes all the problems I. That religion.

MrBigBrain on September 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm

In your list of Muslims who have committed heinous acts of terrorism, you missed Mehmet Ali Agca, the only person with the disregard for human life and Chrisitanity to attempt to assassinate Saint John Paul the Great.

Lisa on September 11, 2014 at 6:19 pm

Although we could blame O’Bozo or his predecessor, Brainless, for the continued expansion of the most deadly of cancers, Islam, the sorry fact is that most of blame must be put on the majority of Americans, who are plainly stupid.

If there were a sufficient number of intelligent, decent human beings in the US, they would not have continued to give either O’Bozo or Brainless such support, and the US Government would be forced to cease the Islamopandering and moving swiftly and strongly in the opposite direction, combined with a vigorous, passionate, and visible support for Israel, raising the stakes against Islam, Islamophiles, and other such enemies of civilization. But, as Debbie, has pointed out, the opposite has taken place, and Islam is stronger than it’s ever been during the last 100 years–when it would have been crushed had Americans demanded that their leaders taken the appropriate actions I’ve described.

And I don’t think another 911 would remedy the situation. Americans have just become too stupid and complacent. In fact, they are so vile in my view that a separate name should be applied to them, as I don’t even consider them real Americans because they are antithetical to most American values. Perhaps the term Amerikans might be appropriate when referring to them.

But here’s the simple truth of the matter:

Multitudes of megalomaniacal, megamoronic Muslims means madness, morbidity, mendaciousness, morosity, much misery, monotonous mayhem, major mindless mutilations, menacing militarism, manifold malevolency, massive macabre malignancies, myriad monstrosities, and mass murders; for it is the Muslim mantra, method, means, modality, and mortifying Muhammadian modus-operandi. More Muslims, m’amigos?

Ralph Adamo on September 11, 2014 at 7:29 pm

The following is an adaptation of statements made in Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

Final thought.

In the Bible, G-d prophesied that Ishmael and his descendants would be wild and fight with everyone. This prediction has held true throughout history. Will the world ever have peace with Ishmael? Will Ishmael even find peace himself? Deep down, don’t we all want the same things (love, peace, acceptance)? I wonder how much longer we will have to wait before real peace comes to humanity.

Gen 16:11 And the angel of the L-RD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the L-RD hath heard thy affliction.

Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Ralph Adamo on September 11, 2014 at 7:39 pm

We can all agree, the Middle East was better with Sadaam alive. He kept all these nuts in check. All of them.

MrBigBrain on September 11, 2014 at 7:54 pm

The Mid East has been a source of war, pain and dismay for thousands of years. Move the Jews, make the appropriate plans and drop some well-placed bombs to wipe it off the face of the Earth. The World would be a better place.

JeffT on September 11, 2014 at 8:40 pm

It was only yesterday the inhabitants of the Middle East worshiped the gods of the Canaanite pantheon, who had an unquenchable thirst for human blood.

Today, they offer human sacrifices in the name of Allah. Human nature hasn’t changed in the thousands of years when people were pagans at heart.

And despite their new god, they still are.

NormanF on September 11, 2014 at 11:27 pm

9/11… Feh!

Some of us didn’t need 9/11 to know that the Muslims are the bad-buys and the Jews are the good-guys. To me, 9/11/01 was just another day in the life of Islam.

A day in the life of Islam that saw over a million people in Somalia perish from civil war led by “Islamists”. Somalia FYI, is an Arab League State.

A day in the life of Islam that saw Saddam Hussein murder something like 500,000 of his own people. Iraq is an Arab League State.

A day in the life of Islam that saw over a million people die in Sudan; an Arab League State.

A day in the life of Islam that saw over 100,000 die in Algeria’s civil war. Algeria is an Arab League State.

A day in the life of “East Pakistan” now called Bangladesh where over a million died of starvation from civil war.

A day in the life of Darfur where several hundred thousand have died at the hands of Sudan; an Arab League State.

A day in the life of Israel where over 10,000 Jews have been slaughtered by the genocidal aim of Muslims.

None of this was terrorism mind you. It didn’t become terrorism until Muslims attacked US in New York City. Suddenly, there were no longer “militants” but “terrorists” all because they had finally attacked America. Our leadership still couldn’t accept the basic premise that terrorism is an Arab/Muslim phenomenon. Rather than wage a war against Islam, we were told we were in a “war against terror”.

And so it goes. 13 years later, we still can’t call an act of mass murder (or attempted mass murder) of civilians “Arab Terrorism” like we used to. Today, we don’t remember 9/11 anymore. Today, we witness another day in the life of Islam. Somewhere in the world, some Muslim is murdering civilians en masse and we won’t call it Arab (or Muslim) Terrorism because we’ve become a weak nation. America has become incapable of confronting the most basic truth. Ultimately, we will all become victims of our delusion.

There is NO Santa Claus on September 12, 2014 at 12:02 am

What he ^^^ said.
BTW, TiNSC, 1836-2000? Please explain. I’m only guessin’ here.

theShadow on September 12, 2014 at 12:20 am

    Marc, when Debbie trashes someone on matters of fact, she is entirely immune to libel lawsuits. Significantly, she is still around year after year. Ya think this might suggest that she’s right about, e.g. Scamela?

    skzion on September 12, 2014 at 1:07 pm

“Just a reader” should try talking his ‘moral equivalent’ rubbish in a muslim country ruled by Islam and see what happens to him/her/it over there.

I’m sure “Just a reader” will be very “understanding” of Islam when muslims jail/lash/behead him/her/it when hearing his crap.

K on September 12, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Dude wth are you talking about? If I took my moral rubbish to an Islamic country. I would say your beliefs and misguided judgements would have you killed first by the EXTREMISTS.I would last a whole lot longer than you. Frankly people who share these principles as yourself fits in the same category as the people you dislike. Your so full of your own shyt that your blind from the truth. Fuck off mate go read a newspaper

    Just a reader on September 12, 2014 at 12:39 pm

      People, Just a reader is a Mooooslim from Australia

      skzion on September 12, 2014 at 1:08 pm

        or possibly UK maybe

        japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:22 pm

        Engaging in taqiyyah.

        Al Qaeda attacked a Pakistani naval vessel in Karachi.

        Oops.. they meant to attack an American ship but I guess being a jihadi never means refraining from attacking a target of opportunity.

        And if Muslims are caught in the crossfire? That’s Allah’s will.

        NormanF on September 12, 2014 at 1:38 pm

      So the possibility that you might be second in line to be executed is supposed to prove you point?

      Why don’t you get back on the piss like Anjem Choudary?

      japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:41 pm

        Oh j apple stay in your league. My knowledge you couldn’t comprehend on your worst day. I had no point to prove I only answered the question. However you proved a point. The point that you can comprehend at reading level of a 5th grader. Oh and the fact that anjem choudaury is a fucking EXTREMIST. Nice try but please don’t think outside your box.

        Now I’m a muslim? Oh it’s fun getting under you people skin. fucking classic. If it pisses you off then Fuck yeah I will say yes I’m muslim. As Japple has stated your point is?

        Japple fuck off and head straight for a library check out a book titled knowledge for dummies then come back and try it again

        Just a reader on September 12, 2014 at 4:10 pm

      Thanks for proving what kind imbeciles talk your kind of rubbish

      japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:43 pm

      Dude

      japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:44 pm

The Muslim president statement that the ISIL is not Islamic is like saying the Hells Angels do not have motorcycles.

He is being very cute by referring to ISIL rather than ISIS.

ISIL I understand is a regional Islamic State organization and ISIS is a Islamic State organization of Iraq and Syria.

Our all powerful government is debating with itself whether the conference table is round, oval or rectangular. It is not taking action to protect the USA. A bombing campaign in the north is what took place in Vietnam. How did that work out?

Panhandle on September 12, 2014 at 11:35 am

    So called “liberals” have been very good in insuring that Islam does not get its butt kicked in the marketplace of ideas which is funny because Islam is one of the most illiberal belief systems in existence today.

    japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Obama’s strategy to fight ISIS is to arm the Syrian rebels. BTW ISIS recently assasinated the last serious opposition it had there.

    It’s no coincidence that Obama gave this speech on the anniversary of 9 11 but unfortunately a lot of people in the US are too self involved to notice.

    japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:30 pm

      opposition amongst the rebels that is

      japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:31 pm

      The so called Syrian Free Army is as Islamist as ISIS. What’s the difference?

      And there are the Shiite Islamists of Assad and Hezbollah on the other side.

      They hate us when they aren’t busy killing each other. The reasons for our staying out of the internecine Muslim conflict in the Levant haven’t changed.

      Above all, America should not be in the business of picking winners and losers there.

      NormanF on September 12, 2014 at 1:43 pm

    ISIL as opposed to ISIS is a region which includes Israel.

    japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:56 pm

Islamic State are jihadi Muslims who want to create an Islamic state based on the model of the state created by Mohammed.

How are they not Islamic? The President’s disassociation from Islamic is a form of rhetorical argument. He likes Islam and finds IS’s atrocities and medieval form of governance a rebuke to his idealized understanding of Islam.

Which in the former sense of the word has always been like that. But then it becomes uncomfortable since if Muslims are barbaric, intolerant and war-like, is this a war of civilizations? That is a kind of fight Obama does not want to wage. Rather pretend IS has nothing to do with Islam and go on from there.

Its evasion and denial of course but when it comes to evil, people have always been adept at not seeing what is right in front of them. Islam’s true nature won’t change no matter how many halal certificates of being like Judaism and Christianity the President and others like him see fit to hand out.

NormanF on September 12, 2014 at 11:56 am

Yesterday was an important day to me. It made clear in 2014 that many Americans have forgotten TOTALLY who made it happen and who celebrated. It makes me more and more sick as the years pass by.

I’m glad DS called out the museum. I am sickened by it and feel it is a mockery and totem to how lost the American citizen is. It’s a sad and dangerous time.

I may be very rusty on my Jihad (I have much to catch up on and do not take it lightly) but what I was unable to be rusty on is INDEED how DS pointed out how the Mooooooslims have been winning since 2001. It makes me angry and makes me sick. These evil vermin are looked upon as a special class of victims when they are a nasty and most evil foe. Americans are asleep and uninterested. Dangerous and foolish.

I didn’t have to read an Islam lead atrocity daily…I just had to live my life and see from the outskirts how Moooslims are fooling people coast to coast. It’s disgusting to behold.

It never left me. I saw DS’ words ring true daily. The more I see her words ring true, the more I see clueless Americans pander.

WAKE. UP. I don’t know how so many can be so blind.

And I hope DS’ is investigating on her own but I reckon you would all be shocked to know that the person who sent the Anthrax letters has actually been discovered (he’s dead and unfortunately was NOT a Mooooooslim…he was a Satanist) but the person who figured it out is being roundly ignored. I haven’t gotten to that part of my fact-checking thus far (I am still fact-checking other things that so far are coming up credible AND truthful) but I know when I get to that part, it will all fall in place (as everything else has thus far…). Because I haven’t done my research on it yet, I won’t comment on it further at this time.

He may have NOT been Moooooslim but he was just as evil and knew when to hop on an evil coat-tail to try to take attention back from the Moooooslims. And my point about this is yet to show just how much truth-tellers are being roundly ignored even when the truth reveals itself. That’s rampant in 2014.

So each year the Mooooslims gain more ground and each year so-called “good” Americans/people forget and fail to pay attention when the truth couldn’t be more plain. It’s a horrible time, indeed.

Skunky on September 12, 2014 at 1:28 pm

    I think we’re all feeling it Skunky

    japple on September 12, 2014 at 1:45 pm

Hello, dumbbell Amerikans, anybody home upstairs? (Amerikan is my name for stupid US citizens who support O’Bozo and do not have the real values of genuine Americans.)

Here’s some factoids, Amerikans:

1. Muslims comprise 4% of the population in Denmark, but consume 40% of the welfare spending.

2. 75% of the convicted rapists in Denmark are Muslim.

3. Muslims comprise 95% of the convicted rapists and 85% of the convicted murderers in France and Italy.

4. The average European woman has 1.5 children, the average Muslim woman living in Europe has 7 children. Cancer cells are outnumbering healthy cells.

5. Non-Muslims have virtually no rights in Muslim countries.

6. Since 1948, the 21 Arab countries have been involved in 30 wars, 63 successful revolutions, at least 75 failed revolutions, and the assassination of 36 heads of state.

As I said:

Multitudes of megalomaniacal, megamoronic Muslims means madness, morbidity, mendaciousness, morosity, much misery, monotonous mayhem, major mindless mutilations, menacing militarism, manifold malevolency, massive macabre malignancies, myriad monstrosities, and mass murders; for it is the Muslim mantra, method, means, modality, and mortifying Muhammadian modus-operandi. More Muslims, m’amigos?

Perhaps after 2 or 3 more 911s, the stunod Amerikans will wake up. But I doubt it. There’s no cure for the seriously stupid.

Ralph Adamo on September 12, 2014 at 2:45 pm

    @Ralph—

    B-B-but PC!!

    Prometheus on September 13, 2014 at 10:32 am

      Prometheus, I believe that I’ve complied with the American Leftists’ Official Certified Code of Political Correctness, in particular, sections 43(a)346.746(c) of paragraph 35.2493(a)7 and sections 763(r)8457.8872(b), subparagraph 97(r)2(d)2. Of course, these regulations are constantly being superseded by revisions upon revisions, so it’s pretty difficult to keep up with the latest rules. I think that an entire new wing of government will ultimately need to be created to control the revisions of these rules and their enforcement.

      Ralph Adamo on September 14, 2014 at 4:50 am

The terrorist attacks by Muslims on 9/11 SHOULD have been prevented. There were enough in the know who were putting the facts together (tho unfortunately in the minority) Israel advised the USA of intelligence prior to 9/11. It was in large part a “failure of imagination” (part of the 9/11 Commission Report I agree with) Americans are just as or more than naive and uniformed as they were on 9-10-01.

PaulaMalka on September 12, 2014 at 3:21 pm

The solution that will work is the LeMay/Tibbetts approach, I am afraid. It’s Sorry Lousy Angry Morons responsible for 9/11 who will have to be beaten by bombing into Destroyed Enemies Losing Everything Needed Due to Annihilating Executioners’ Savage Tempers.

In short: Islam loses, decency wins.

By the way, Debbie, I live on the MN/ND border. Who are the Sexy Wiccans you speak of?

Occam's Tool on September 12, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    OT, that was funny. What wasn’t funny: buying a non-refundable plane ticket to North Dakota, only to find out that Debbie was speaking tongue-in-cheek. Never mind.

    nadie on September 12, 2014 at 7:09 pm

There is something about Islam that inspires stupidity, conformity and sadism. It’s time to evolve, fellas.

Primetime on September 12, 2014 at 10:22 pm

I’m going off topic, but I’ve already verbally condemned Muslims and A-rabs. Anniliate those quacks.

Now all of you who including the author, who defended Zimmerman, I will never ever understand, how you all think he is stable enough to have a gun. The man is insane and dangerous, you all must feel very silly. Very! You all who defend him wrongly so, won’t be happy until he goes completely unhinged and kills again.
(I’m talking to a select few on here regarding this topic)

MrBigBrain on September 13, 2014 at 12:59 am

    C’mon Big, Dumb Dinky. We know it’s you because you love the word “quacks”.

    It would be like me coming here under a different handle and using Mooooooslim and denying it was me. Give it up.

    You’ve been sussed out. Not hard to do. There are peeps who make a living at forensic writing and figuring who an “Anonymous” is. Remember that Linguist Prof from Vasser who figured out Joe Klein wrote “Primary Colours”? And the dude who figured out Bill Ayers wrote “Dreams Of My Father” by Obama-Putin (LOLOL!)?

    BUSTED!

    Skunky on September 13, 2014 at 2:09 pm

      Down goes BigD! This latest (Zimmerman committed murder) post indicates the big brain swelling as a result of multiple bouts with skzion has taken its toll.

      lee of the lower case "l" on September 13, 2014 at 2:42 pm

I’m also laughing at White peoples reaction to Adrian Peterson whipping his child with a switch. I’m going to share something with White peoplea; there’s not too many Black kids who didn’t get beat like this. Fact. That’s why Blacks have that confused look on their face, like “huh?” “Why are you bothering this man?” This is why his attitude is “I’ll do it again.” This is nothing bit discipline in Black households.

MrBigBrain on September 13, 2014 at 1:25 am

    MBB/BigD, with all of that discipline, why is black criminality so high?

    skzion on September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm

“Just a reader” is a taqiyyah artist of the highest order.

I wouldn’t even be stupid enough to go to a muslim country as every single one of them is a fascist dump.

But “Just a reader” obviously thinks it’s perfectly ok that muslims jail people for the crime of just being a Christian even in “moderate” dumps like Algeria and Morocco and Egypt etc.
And treat women like garbage with legal wife-beating, legal cheating (polygamy), and no custody rights.

Oh but that’s all ok isn’t it, coz that’s just the “moderates”.

K on September 14, 2014 at 8:44 am

Will BigD answer my simple question? To repeat:

“MBB/BigD, with all of that discipline, why is black criminality so high?”

skzion on September 15, 2014 at 11:41 am

@ Sk-Zion. I just seen your post. I was asking your question or alluding to that same thought on today’s post. If most Black families discipline their kids this way and criminality remains high in these communities, maybe this method of discipline is ineffective.

MrBigBrain on September 15, 2014 at 10:13 pm

I tried answering Sk-Zion, it disappeared.

MrBigBrain on September 15, 2014 at 10:14 pm

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