September 8, 2009, - 3:29 pm

“You White People”: When Will Black America Speak Out Against Black-on-White Violence?

By Debbie Schlussel

This scanned image is from my campaign button and political pin collection.  It’s from the 1960s and was worn by liberal activists and hippies.  Whenever I see it, I’m reminded that White racism (and violence) against Blacks is mostly not tolerated in the America of today, but Black racism–and violence–against White people remains acceptable and is, in fact, in vogue.  I keep wondering (in vain) when there will be a “Blacks Against Black Violence” pin.

Sadly, stories like this one–in the Oklahoma City area–make me doubt I’ll ever see one in my lifetime:

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A family is speaking out tonight after a mother is shot dead in her own driveway. Police were called to the shooting Saturday night near Northwest 88th and Walker Avenue. An argument took place, and one man fired shots. Roberta Hill was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound where she later died. Hill’s family says she didn’t deserve this, and that the argument may have been racially charged.

Lindsey Castle, Roberta Hill’s Daughter-in-Law said, “You white people are in the wrong neighborhood, that’s what they said. She was a good person, she was a good mom, good grandma. She really didn’t have anyone that dislike her, nothing. she didn’t deserve what happened to her.”

Yes, the hippies who wore those pins in the ’60s are looking the other way on stuff like this. They’re nowhere to be found when the racism goes the other way.

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28 Responses

Debbie – you’ll be waiting a long time if you ever want to hear anyone from the black community say that there is black racism. The racial unifiers Jackson, Sharpton and Rev. Wrong will tell you that racism comes from everyone else except black people. Didn’t you know that whitey has caused all the problems in the U.S.?

Jarhead on September 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    No Jarhead she won’t have to wait long at all. I am Black and yes there is Black on White racism. I agree wholeheartedly with Jibber Jabber’s response to Rick. If you would take the time to get to know some of your fellow Americans that happen to be Black you would find that we don’t feel that way. It is very unfortunate for us just like it is very unfortunate for you that a few “bad seeds” can give a whole people a bad rep. I am sorry that you seem so angry about all of this, but try not to take it so personally. Racism is recycled and you obviously have problem with it so don’t promote the cycle. I will do the same.

    There I spoke out.

    Speak Out! on September 21, 2009 at 10:16 am

Yup, whitey has caused all the problems in the US, and those nasty Jews have caused all the problems in the entire world. If those two classifications don’t cover it, then you’re a right wing terrorist(that will cover the blacks who are against Obama.)

More and more of the above story will continue to happen in this country for the obvious reason.

wolf2012 on September 8, 2009 at 4:14 pm

I have been labled a racist just because I dont want health care reform…..so I will act like it from now on…..Ignorance is running rampant it America, the so called African- Americans are Ignorant and boy does it show!
If you have to put African in front of America, then you are no American. Its like White people saying they are European-American. Holy crap. I was Born in America…..I am an American.
If you have to put something like that in front of America then maybe you should leave!
Insult your own “Intelligence” by trying to act like you are an African!!!! If you were born here in AMERICA… Guess what!!!YOU ARE AN AMERICAN!!!!!!

Rick on September 8, 2009 at 5:24 pm

Rick, believe the obsession with Black folks and names is because most Americans like you know that they have either German, Scottish, Irish, English, Italian and other heritages and I think it’s important to know your background. As a student of the Bible, I noticed scripture goes through mind-numbing detail listing folks lineage and heritage. So there must be great importance attached to it.

Unfortunately, as a Black person in America, I really don’t know my historical lineage. It could be Nigeria, Sierra Leon, Ghanadian or whatever. That knowledge was cut off during the slave trade. I suppose I could do an “Alex Haley” and go find my roots, but I’m too busy trying to keep a roof over my head and take care of my family at this time. So in order to somehow connect with a lost lineage, some Black folks call themselves African American. I’m not totally in agreement with it, but I understand the root cause of it. I believe God planted in human beings a strong desire to be connected to our ancestors as evidenced by the all the “who begat who” listed in the Bible..

As far as Debbie saying Black on White violence is in vogue and acceptable, I STRONGLY disagree with her on that. Maybe it is among the thugs and criminal element, but not among most mainstream Black folks that I know (you know, the ones that DON’T make the 6:00 o’clock news because they’re too busy trying to make a living?). I’m not looking for Crazy Al or Rev. Jesse to speak out against it…it’s not their niche or how they hustle their living. But if you search across the “Black blogosphere”, visit Black churches (again, not the ones like Rev. Wright who make the news!), or actually develop some sort of conversational relationship with fellow Americans who happen to be Black, you’ll find that Black on White, Black on Black, or Black on anyone kind of violence is not in vogue with them. And yes, there are Blacks against Black Violence campaigns and have been for years…because we Black folks are the main ones who suffer from Black violence! For example, if I as a Black man die because of violence, there is a 90% chance that the person who did it will look like me. And there is a strong organization of Black mothers nationwide who have lost sons and daughters to Black violence and are sick of it, but the name of the organization escapes me as I write this post. The anger and frustration with the criminal element within our communities is there…you just have to do your own Web search and find the articles and the organizations if you are truly curious about them and not assume it doesn’t exist because it’s not shown on the nightly news.

As for those ignorant knuckleheads (or “ig-nant cut-n-shoot Negroes” as my granddad used to say!) who do choose to engage in such racist violence against Whites, they do so to their own detriment. I hope they realize that the sentences for defendants who commit violent attacks against White folks are quite a bit harsher than if the victim had been Black. For example, in murder cases, I believe a Black defendant is 37% to 40% more likely to receive the death sentence if the victim was White. So they can act a fool if they want to….and watch what happens to them.

JibberJabber on September 8, 2009 at 7:03 pm

Jibber Jabber
You got that right. Blacks who are racisxt are so at their own peril and I dont feel anything for them. My relatives are whites and asians, all Americans. 85% of all black Americans are mixed. Most were Irish poor and the British masters children. After Dr. King died the Muslims came in and caused so much nasty crap and Obama is a product of the evil. I wish he had been around good whites and blacksa, not communist and Muslims strains. He would be a good president if he was a real African american or a black American. We are stuck with an African Arab Islamomarxist to our peril, until someone tells his that Wright is not Jesus Christian but a Mormon and Muslim. Mormon leader Joseph Smith wanted to be just like Muhammad and he almost made it. Wright’s church came from Campbellism aka Mormonism. Good read. I am an American, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

btilly on September 8, 2009 at 7:22 pm

When I was in high school, I wanted to decorate my friend’s house for the football game. James Washington, my friend in Algebra, was a football player for our school and I never understood why the pep club didn’t assign members to decorate black players’ homes. So I got my friends together and off we go to James’s neighborhood. The minute we got off the freeway, bottles and rocks started hitting our car and we had to get the hell out of there.

I was naive. I had no idea how racist and intolerant black people were. Of course, I was raised one generation after the drugged-out flower children and it wasn’t right to admit that blacks are intolerant racists.

That incident happened in Oklahoma City.

Later, I was a flight attendant for a major airline based in NY. One day this Eastern-Asian attendant announced to me that she lived in a black neighborhood in NY. I didn’t really know what to say or why she was telling me that, but I said, “Oh, and how is that?”

She said, “It’s fine for me, but it wouldn’t be safe for you.”

I’m sick to death of this lie we’re living in the politically correct USA. I’ve never done anything to black people and I don’t understand why I have to be the “kicking boy” for them in today’s world. I hope the top blows off this issue. I’ve had enough.

JP on September 8, 2009 at 7:54 pm

JibberJabber= white person pretending to be black.

The Internet: where men are men, women are men, children are FBI agents and African-Americans are white people pretending.

DSR: HUH? I believe JJ. His comments are great. And he’s definitely Black. DS

DS_ROCKS! on September 8, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    DS_ROCKS!…..is that your name? See I can tell from a mile away that you made up that name to misrepersent anyone who are fans of hers, just to come in here…make such statements…and try to justify your point as if The Conservative Goddess herself would speak for you.

    You’re just like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and other such con-artists who uses race as a weapon to shove their racist anti-american views in the face of poor guillible blacks (and yes even other races too). So will you cut the crap, and stop pretending to be something you aren’t.

    That’s exactly a part of this racial bullshit going on in america: Where people pretend to be something they aren’t. Look at the number of white guys trying to ‘act’ gangsta. First of all, who the hell says that being gangsta is somehow a black thing? I don’t see anything written where a black guy like myself (shocked?) or JibberJabber (shocking how I’m defending him..) has to act gangsta.

    As a black guy who is most likely younger than Jib (I’m gonna be 27 next month.), I am among the very few young blacks in america that ‘gets it’. That means, I am proud to be an american reguardless of what the hell my skin color is. This country’s fight against racism is the reason I can be who I am today….yeah…as in…being an independant thinking, anti-ghetto, anti-gangsta, and pro-indiviual who makes life decisons based on how I LIVE MY OWN LIFE, and not the life of some 50-word educated rapper making 50 million per album.

    See I know you are shocked, and I know you ether don’t believe a word I’m saying, or like any psychonut, would be happy the day that such blacks like me no longer exist.

    One other thing, do you know that the mainstream media is truly racist against non-whites who ‘think outside the box’? What does that mean? Well…let’s just say if a black person lives life and thinks outside the mentality of the ghetto or the plantation, that person is ‘no longer black’ or is a trador or some other bullshit.

    Let me tell you something, I am proud of my ethcity doing what was done to TRULY ADVANCE it and to move it OUTSIDE OF THE STEREOTYPES and into areas that are supposly only areas white people are in. What I’m not proud of, is the direction that most of my ethcity went to today in terms of acceptace, relevance, not to mention racial quotas, music, entertainment, and the double standard, hypocritial, socialist, downright horrible legitimacy of what the ethicity means to America.

    I know it’s shocking to read such a thing from such a young black man. I understand that I’m no longer relevant, that I’m not speaking ghetto, and that I should change my skin color over to white, according to people like you. But I’m sorry, simply because, this is the reality of what you are reading. And no I’m not the only young black person of this calibur out there.

    The bottom line is, race is 110% IRRELEVANT in every damn thing here in america. And it’s time we start calling things what it is and not be afraid of some racial bullshit.

    As for blacks killing blacks….see this is a good example of what I brought up with the media. While they’ll praise blacks who are giving my ethcity a horrible image *coughvanjonescough*, they’ll totally ignore blacks who are doing something to advance the ethcity.

    I rest my case, poser.

    Squirrel3D on September 8, 2009 at 10:11 pm

DS_ROCKS!,

Jibber Jabber has been posting here for some time and I believe he is who he says he is. Furthermore, he brings a welcome perspective with his comments.

Your uber-patronizing handle indicates that you created you name in order to curry favor on this particular site. Nevertheless, I don’t expect your baseless agitation to be very welcome.

Richard on September 8, 2009 at 8:32 pm

Debbie, The new comment section on you web site is great! As far as the black on white crime in America goes …it is out of control! Now if you really want to see out of control look at black on black crime. Truly.. what are they thinking.

Apophis on September 8, 2009 at 8:56 pm

I think who ever did this to my sister should be caught and put away for life ,My family has gone thru enough it’s time to stop this crime bullshit I don’t care what color they are every Race Has ther Bad. ….. She did’nt need to die…Love you Robert …

Teresa slaven ( Roberta Hill's sister ) on September 8, 2009 at 9:55 pm

DS_ROCKS: And you don’t! Those of us who’ve been around this site for some time will all come to Jibber Jabber’s defense. He is an eloquent poster with a welcome perspective. Just because he doesn’t see black on white crime among the decent, hard working, god fearing blacks he associates himself with, doesn’t mean he’s a poser!

Spiffo on September 8, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Debbie you wrote, “I keep wondering (in vain) when there will be a “Blacks Against Black Violence” pin.”, well there was a video produced by KRS-1 with other rappers in early 90s that spoke out against Black on Black violence called “Self Destruction”. I think it may have been a little naive. It sure didn’t change much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxyYP_bS_6s

As for this incident it is disgusting. No one should feel it is acceptable that certain groups can be murdered because they are in the “wrong neighborhood”. I have been in many “wrong neighborhoods”. Being Hispanic and working or walking through various neighborhoods of all White, all Black, all Hispanic or Asian, there is a difference in the way people look at you. A lot of these crimes are done on people that are physically weaker than them. Most of these guys are scumbags. They won’t go after someone their own size even with a gun.

CaliforniaScreaming on September 8, 2009 at 11:39 pm

Alan Keyes, Dr. Walter Williams, and Larry Elder all speak freely on the problems within the black community. They speak freely on the subjects that many in the media are too squeamish to breach. I’m sure there are more but none come to mind. You won’t see any of them on the O’Reilly factor. Thomas Sowell is another that can speak on this issue but the mainstream media will conveniently ignore these men and put on Sharpton, Jackson and that jerk off perfesor hill from columbia because they some how represent.
Anyone with any observation skills knows that our society is in trouble because of the fissures between our cultures and the money making that goes on because of these fissures. What would that bag of shit Sharpton do if nobody paid attn to him? Work the door at Walmart.

Joe on September 9, 2009 at 12:04 am

Debbie, I’m still offended that your neighbors call you a skinny white bitch. I’m guessing you are scared and slightly flattered at the same time, but I could be wrong.

A1 on September 9, 2009 at 12:07 am

51% of the murders in America are committed by black males. 25% by illegals. Black males comprise 6% of the population. If there was ever a criminal class indicator, that is likely the strongest statistical indicator there ever was. Black and Male. The statistic is published annually by the FBI as well as the Time Almanac. BY the way, 75% of racial hate crimes appear to be reported as an African American perpetrator. But you have to delve in the FBI stats to get that info. The FBI bunches ethnic/racial/gender groupings to down play the stat. Most under picked on individual? Muslims. 18 cases last year rose to level of believable.

pat on September 9, 2009 at 12:52 am

Let’s not forget the racist Black Panther thugs that intimidated voters in the 2008 elections.

Jarhead on September 9, 2009 at 12:43 pm

JibberJabber, Right on once again. Here is a thought on the whole “african” American thing though. I guess I can understand your want to understand your roots but with me I am an adopted white guy. So I have no idea of my lineage. I could be just about anything, and have no clue if I am. Honestly I’ve never ever worried about it. I am just American. I would like to think that you are just an American too.

Aldasfail on September 9, 2009 at 2:37 pm

I would say that your chosen screen name tells us how much we should value your opinions. If you have something that rises above the level of middle school graffiti to contribute, please feel free to post it. If that is not possible for you, just save your intellectual heft for public restrooms.

sorrow01 on September 10, 2009 at 10:45 am

Debbie:

I think it will be interesting to see if, when the perpetrators of this crime are apprehended and charged, they are charged with a “hate crime.” Or is it only black victims who can be victims of hate crimes???

Frankly, I am tired of the PC standard that only white people are racist. That is so untrue!

DG in GA on September 11, 2009 at 1:12 pm

With this country’s history of contentious race relations, I have absolutely no desire to perpetuate any kind of racism by advocating violence against whites. I am a black woman with an extended family that includes whites. Needless to say, I believe that a hate crime is a hate crime no matter what race the victim is or the perpetrator is.

My heart goes out to Mrs. Hill’s family, because this was a senseless crime, motivated by hatred and ignorance. I wouldn’t wish this pain on any family. I am one of the numerous African Americans who go to work 5 days a week, help to support my family, pay taxes, and steer clear of criminal activities. The perpetrator or perpetrators should be held accountable for this atrocity, just as any white person who did the same thing would. Respect and tolerance are a two-way street, and any kind of racially motivated crime does a disservice to everybody.

Annie on September 14, 2009 at 3:20 pm

I live at a job corps where 75% of the people i live with are black and from the various ghettos of NYC and never in my life have i been reminded so many times that i am white. And what Debbie was saying about it being unacceptable for white people to make any kind of hint even of racism all hell breaks loose. And this is very true. But when a black person says something blatant like “you white people think you can sit in the front of the bus” white people are supposed to take it. I don’t understand. Its almost as if white people are supposed to take the verbal beating from black people when targeted by such comments.Like they are supposed to take those comments to somehow make it up to them or like they deserve to be targeted for being white.I have never seen a white person stick up for themself when confronted about being white. it happens to me all the time.And i think it is so wrong. if we cant say anything then NEITHER CAN YOU “All men are created equal” remember?

jch on September 14, 2009 at 10:30 pm

SO MUCH HATE FROM THE BLACK MAN

NICK on September 27, 2009 at 10:36 am

BLACK-ON-BLACK VIOLENCE AND MURDER…WHY? WHAT’S HAPPENING?

MR. T. L. on October 11, 2009 at 8:17 am

In response to all the posters here: I really don’t know why there is so much more black on white violent crime here in America than there is vice versa.

But rather than speculate about an issue in which I don’t know the answers to, here’s a solid piece of advice for everyone: no matter what race you are, no matter where you live, never pack a gun (even legally). It will only get you into hot water with the law, one way or another, especially if you have to fire it. Instead, get in shape, learn western boxing and martial arts (and practice it every single day). Also, carry two cans of mace, one on your person and one in your vehicle, in case you must protect your loved one’s.

After a few years of developing and maintaining physical and mental fitness, I guarantee you: if you’re a law-biding citizen, your body language will display calmness and confidence at all times, and no one will mess with you.

Joseph Lupoli on January 31, 2010 at 7:15 pm

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