I've seen a Christian with a verse in Hebrew from the Book of Ruth tattooed on his arm. Also an irreligious, multi-piercing type with the entire Hebrew alphabet tattooed. But they don't go on killing rampages.

Debbie, the same article you quote from also mentions that the kid was clearly off his rocker. Nucking Futz. A few fries short of a happy meal.

He was seriously disturbed -- mentally ill with a growing taste for violence, rage, and death. He'd been referred to Student Health Services and was already under investigation for several earlier incidents, all signs of how unglued this kid was.

Trying to tie him to either illegal immigration -- he was here legally -- or Islamic terrorism -- he was an English major, for Cthulhu's sake -- is the epitome of opportunism on your part. You are profiting off of the blood of the murdered.

I'd point out you should be ashamed of yourself, but then you are a lawyer...

THE SAME MEDIA THAT ALSO CONSTANTLY SAYS THAT EVERY ISLAMIC ATTACKER IN THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN "NUTS"--A/K/A SUDDEN JIHAD SYNDROME. THE MUSLIMS WHO ATTACKED THE SEATTLE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER, THE JEW AT THE BALTIMORE MOVIE THEATER, THE STUDENTS AT UNC, TROLLEY SQUARE MALL IN UTAH--THEY WERE ALL "NUTS." AND ALL MUSLIM.

THE ONLY ONE WHO SHOULD BE ASHAMED HERE IS THE ONE WHO IS WILLINGLY WEARING BLINDERS AS HIS/HER NEWEST FASHION ACCESSORY: YOU.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Jeebus, are you people insane? I did a simple google search and found that Ismail Ax refers to some mathmatic equations written by an author named Ismail http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/368178.html. This would make sense since he was apparently an engineering student.

APPARENTLY YOU'RE THE INSANE--AND ILLITERATE--ONE. I WENT TO THIS PAGE AND THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO "ISMAIL AX." ONLY A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ACADEMICS WITH ISMAIL IN THEIR NAMES. ABSOLUTELY NO REFERENCE TO "ISMAIL AX" ON THE PAGE. RIF--READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. TRY IT.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

The "asian" shooter was probably a muslim convert. I wouldn't be suprised to find out that it is so. Then again there are alot of asian muslims, a good portion of them have ties with these terror organizations but as usual, the feckless puppet anchormen/women running the media won't cover that one for you just as they didn't do so with the Utah Mall shooter's ethnic backround.

Ax is actually a Dutch surname, maybe he's a militant Calvinist upset at the falling price of tulip bulbs and windmill spare-parts.

YES, AND ISMAIL AND AHMED AND MOHAMMED ARE "DUTCH," TOO.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

I entered www.ismailax.com and found it was linked to www.godaddy.com, which is a domain name registry. Does that help? I didn't think so.

There's also a www.ismailax.org but it's new and contains nothing yet. I wonder if it belongs to the shooter and if the cops are looking into it.

The shooter graduated from HS in Fairfax, VA, but he used to live in Detroit:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048534&page=1

Is it just me, or are Detroit and Northern VA both Islamic strongholds?

Na I live near VA and your absolutely right

isn't it possible that he was referring to Ishmael from Moby Dick? after all, he was an english major. the name Ishmael or Ismail can also reprensent being orphaned, exiled, etc. which actually makes a heck of a lot of sense, considering the source.
i think this is as likely an explanation as anythign else i've seen here today.

VERY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION . . . IF HE WAS READING MOBY DICK IN ARABIC. SOMETHING WHICH I'M SURE MOST SOUTH KOREANS DO EVERY DAY.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

see atlas

"By Allah, he said, I shall plot a plan to destroy their idols.
Ismail said without hesitation: "Do what you are commanded, you shall find me very patient insha Allah

He said to the statues, joking; then with his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them. He hung the ax around its neck and left."

maybe nuttin

"There's also a www.ismailax.org but it's new and contains nothing yet. I wonder if it belongs to the shooter and if the cops are looking into it."

Good to see that canuckSteve hasn't grown any new brain cells recently. He remains as intellectually challenged as ever.

A simple 'whois' search would have shown you the website was registered a couple of hours ago, so it’s an opportunist.

Domain ID:D143797606-LROR
Domain Name:ISMAILAX.ORG
Created On:17-Apr-2007 16:51:46 UTC
Last Updated On:17-Apr-2007 16:51:51 UTC
Expiration Date:17-Apr-2008 16:51:46 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:eNom, Inc. (R39-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:B719D0368D91FBF0
Registrant Name:Bhadra Dorje
Registrant Organization:BuddhaOne
Registrant Street1:160-C Donahue Street #200
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Sausalito
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:94965-1250
Registrant Country:US

The FBI, DHS, and MSM all said the same thing about the "suicide-by-TATP" in Norman, Oklahoma: "Not terror related." ...and Seattle Jewish Center shootings. ...and the SUV Jihad at UNC. ...and the shooting at El Al at LAX. ...and the Texas oil facility explosions (x5). ...and CAIR's head honchos. ...and Egypt Air. ...and TWA Flight 800. ...are there more? hmmmm...let me see...hmmm... Will VT be next? Maybe he couldn't transliterate "Aqsa" with "ax." Ya know, "Can I ax you a question?"
Give 'em hell DS.

It's very possible Ismail was a nickanme. This picture: http://flickr.com/photos/eldarossell/203788467 posted last year shows an asian fellow that shares the killers original name and states that he goes by Ismail because it's easier to pronounce.

Who knows if it's even him the pic though.

As for the whole Muslim angle? Don't jump to conclusions and make yourselves look like (bigger)asses. Wait until something definitive is announced, and then go nuts. I'm going to be laughing for days if it turns out that this kid had nothing to do Islam and you guys are exposed as the raving lunatics you are.

GEE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU CLP(D). IF I THOUGHT SOMEONE WAS A LUNATIC, I WOULDN'T BE THEIR LOYAL READER FOR TWO YEARS. PERHAPS I SHOULD BAN YOU AND YOU CAN GO ELSEWHERE?
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

Anybody that arms himself to the teeth and takes out 33 people is a TERRORIST. Period! It matters not whether he's a mooselim, a pentecostal, or a scientologist. 33 innocent people are dead. It's not as if we find a link to Al Queida, we can suddenly convince leftist moonbats that there is a clear and present danger.

(1) One could argue that any person who kills another (other than in self defense) is nuts (aka mentally ill)...but that doesn't excuse the act or explain the motivation.

(2) Muslims who shoot innocent people, blow themselves up, encourage their children to blow themselves up, etc., are nuts (do you know any sane people who would do that?)...AND they are still TERROROSTS, JIHADISTS, etc.

(3) Most in the media are too politically correct or frightened to deal with the truth about radical Islam--that it fills its adherents minds with lies about other religions, preaches that killing and death are good, incites people to commit violent acts, etc.--in short, it twists minds. Someone with a twisted mind is "nuts."

(4) The fact that we aren't being shown the "disturbing note" could mean that there is some Islamic-type ranting in it. Anyone want to take bets on that?

(5) Detroit and northern Virginia???? Both are hotbeds of radical Islam. I'm betting that Cho Seung-Hui was a disturbed guy who was influenced by Islam...OR, MORE LIKELY, a guy who became very disturbed listening to or reading radical Islamic teachings.

(6) For what it's worth, an interesting Website: www.ismaili.net.

Terrorists aren't necessarily "card-carrying" members of an organization. Bin Laden and his head honchos have ordered "all Muslims" to carry out Jihad against the West (translated as "kill or convert EVERYONE who is not a fundamentalist Muslim"). "All" includes individuals. A sole terrorist is just as much a terrorist as one who acts with others if he/she kills innocent people in the name of Allah.

Debbie is correct--the guys in LA, Baltimore, Chapel Hill, and Seattle were not just nuts...they were INDIVIDUAL TERRORISTS.

"I'm going to be laughing for days if it turns out that this kid had nothing to do Islam and you guys are exposed as the raving lunatics you
are.

Posted by: ConservativesLovePuns(descent)
"

If I am incorrect, I'll just apologize, receive diversity training, and get in line. I won't laugh out of spite and contempt. Then again, people laughed at the "Night Stalker" when he said "Satan commanded me." Interestingly enough, didn't CNN say they got their cell-phone footage from a fellow named "Jamal", who just happened to be standing in the parking lot...filming? Didn't he say he was from the West Bank? I mean, I could be incorrect... Go on, "ax" him..."ax" him. May the road rise with you.

I love this line of reasoning; we don't know what it means, so we're just going to go with Islam being the cause of the Virginia Tech massacre. Because they won't show the note, that means it must be in Arabic? Because he lived in Detroit and Virginia he's a Muslim? How does that make those of you that live in Detroit and Virginia feel? Do you listen to yourself?

Next thing you know you're going to go back and tell me that Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim. Oh, and the Devil. And Hitler.

WHAT RELIGION WERE THE PERPETRATORS OF THE SEATTLE JEWISH CENTER MASSACRE, THE TROLLEY SQUARE MASSACRE, THE UNC JEEP DRIVING INTO STUDENTS ATTACK, THE 9/11 ATTACKS, HANAFI ATTACKS ON THE B'NAI BRITH HQ, ETC., ETC., ETC.? MCVEIGH WAS ARELIGIOUS, SOME SAY ATHEIST. BUT WHAT RELIGION WAS JOHN DOE #2, WHO WAS NEVER LOCATED?
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

I think people here are missing the larger point: We left South Korea fifty plus years ago and now the terrorists have followed us home.

Go W!

ACTUALLY, WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF TROOPS IN S. KOREA.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

My point is more along the lines of this: Yesterday, 32 innocent people died. Instead of getting in line and attempting to forward your agenda, whether it be pro/anti-gun control(I'm for concealed carry btw), violence in video games, immigration, whatever...show some respect for the dead, and give them a few moments of silence. It's disgraceful.

Which Korean Baptist Church did he attend in Centreville?
He was Roman Catholic you say? No?
He attended Beth Tikva? NO??
Ya know, as I was driving down 66, I could of sworn I saw a "Moony", selling Roses, with a canvas vest on...complete with Det cord, caps, and cannibalized RDX and bearings. No? ..he wasn't a member? A random act of "down with the WTO"? A previous PTSD (Post Test Stress Disorder)? A Korean Free Trade Agreement protestor? pulllease.

"Ismail Ax" is A CLUE, not a conlusion. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Debbie, but this is your point. It's a clue to this guy as well as a likely inspiration to others.

The conclusion, arrived at before yesterday, is that Islam (and the multilcultural Left) inspire, exhort, praise, extol Muslims to commit violence against all kinds of people non-Muslims mostly but also other Muslims.

Those who don't get the conclusion will never get the clue.

Also, leslie's point deserves repeating:

"Terrorists aren't necessarily "card-carrying" members of an organization. Bin Laden and his head honchos have ordered "all Muslims" to carry out Jihad against the West (translated as "kill or convert EVERYONE who is not a fundamentalist Muslim"). "All" includes individuals. A sole terrorist is just as much a terrorist as one who acts with others if he/she kills innocent people in the name of Allah.

Debbie is correct--the guys in LA, Baltimore, Chapel Hill, and Seattle were not just nuts...they were INDIVIDUAL TERRORISTS."

Moby Dick...

Opening line - Call me Ishmael

CHAPTER 17

The Ramadan

As Queequeg?s Ramadan, or Fasting and Humiliation, was to continue all day, I did not choose to disturb him till towards night-fall; for I cherish the greatest respect towards everybody?s religious obligations, never mind how comical, and could not find it in my heart to undervalue even a congregation of ants worshipping a toad-stool; or those other creatures in certain parts of our earth, who with a degree of footmanism quite unprecedented in other planets, bow down before the torso of a deceased landed proprietor merely on account of the inordinate possessions yet owned and rented in his name.

I say, we good Presbyterian Christians should be charitable in these things, and not fancy ourselves so vastly superior to other mortals, pagans and what not, because of their half-crazy conceits on these subjects. There was Queequeg, now, certainly entertaining the most absurd notions about Yojo and his Ramadan;?but what of that? Queequeg thought he knew what he was about, I suppose; he seemed to be content; and there let him rest. All our arguing with him would not avail; let him be, I say: and Heaven have mercy on us all?Presbyterians and Pagans alike?for we are all somehow dreadfully cracked about the head, and sadly need mending.

Towards evening, when I felt assured that all his performances and rituals must be over, I went to his room and knocked at the door; but no answer. I tried to open it, but it was fastened inside. "Queequeg," said I softly through the key-hole:-all silent. "I say, Queequeg! why don?t you speak? It's I-Ishmael." But all remained still as before. I began to grow alarmed. I had allowed him such abundant time; I thought he might have had an apoplectic fit. I looked through the key-hole; but the door opening into an odd corner of the room, the key-hole prospect was but a crooked and sinister one. I could only see part of the foot-board of the bed and a line of the wall, but nothing more. I was surprised to behold resting against the wall the wooden shaft of Queequeg's harpoon, which the landlady the evening previous had taken from him, before our mounting to the chamber. That?s strange, thought I; but at any rate, since the harpoon stands yonder, and he seldom or never goes abroad without it, therefore he must be inside here, and no possible mistake.

"Queequeg!-Queequeg!"-all still. Something must have happened. Apoplexy! I tried to burst open the door; but it stubbornly resisted. Running down stairs, I quickly stated my suspicions to the first person I met?the chamber-maid. "La! la!" she cried, "I thought something must the matter. I went to make the bed after breakfast, and the door was locked; and not a mouse to be heard; and it's been just so silent ever since. But I thought, may be, you had both gone off and locked your baggage in for safe keeping. La! la, ma'am!-Mistress! murder! Mrs. Hussey! apoplexy!"and with these cries she ran towards the kitchen, I following.

Mrs. Hussey soon appeared, with a mustard-pot in one hand and a vinegar-cruet in the other, having just broken away from the occupation of attending to the castors, and scolding her little black boy meantime.

"Wood-house!" cried I, ?which way to it? Run for God's sake, and fetch something to pry open the door-the axe!-the axe! he's had a stroke; depend upon it!"and so saying I was unmethodically rushing up stairs again empty-handed, when Mrs. Hussey interposed the mustard-pot and vinegar-cruet, and the entire castor of her countenance.

"What's the matter with you, young man?

"Get the axe! For God?s sake, run for the doctor, some one, while I pry it open!"

Deb,

You're not a dude, but if a guy is pussy-whipped, he does stupid things. Maybe in a fit a rage, he wrote crap like that. Who knows, but the issue here isn't the Muslim connection but maybe the feminist shit. You tell a guy that women are power and treat him like shit, he'll go bananas, that includes Americans too. But I think the V-Tech incident was the piece de la resistance because of him being in love. Stupid bastard.

Freethinker, you rock!

Another *clue* is the reference in the shooter's note to "debauchery" -- this is the kind of term that religious fundamentalists tend to use. Could be Muslim, could be something else -- but as the profile develops, he sure isn't looking like some crazed hippie devil worshipper or some love-lorn nerd or some teenage punk enamored with the Basketball Diaries.

Let's see if they release the note (unredacted).

And no, violent, anti-social loners would never be attracted to a religion that allows them to feel superior and slaughter innocents without guilt. Never.

I heard on the radio that he was on antidepressants, now there's at least one connection to this and Columbine and IIRC, a few other similar events.

Debbie, look at this: has anyone noticed this yet? I gave Ismael a different spelling, and came up with this:

The Project Gutenberg eBook of Ishmael, by Mrs. E. D. E. N. Southworth
But there, my dear! that boy has slipped out, and is cutting the wood; I'll go and do it for him," said Reuben, as the sound of Ishmael's ax fell upon his ...
www.gutenberg.org/files/15774/15774-h/15774-h.htm - 977k - Cached - Similar pages

Calm down, Listing Starboard. If you really are a Christian (or a Jew) this shouldn't be news to you. The world loves the worldly and hates the godly. "We fight not against flesh and blood..." Prayer to the G-d of Israel is our weapon, along with truth, and supporting each other, especially the REALLY persecuted, those Jews and Christians facing religious persecution at the front lines.

He might not be a Muslim, but he had serious demons.

I hope you're not an imposter trying to make Christians look like reactive morons. It wouldn't be the first time.

When we look back at all the first "facts" that came out about this tragedy that weren't correct, I think it would be prudent to not pick one more item and make all sorts of suppositions about it. At one point there were 2 shooters, one in custody. At one point the murderer was supposed to have been from Shanghai on a student visa. Then we were told he wasn't a student. There were many other things reported that have been shown to be untrue.

Interestingly, I've worked with many Korean college students, and many, if not most who come here, are Christian. Korean Christian organizations are very big on most large university campuses. (This is not saying that's what this person's background was, since I have no idea.)

Man, I don't believe in doG, and doG allowed this to happen. No, there aint a doG and the guy was nuts. Jesus was a Rabbi and a nice guy too.

Speaking about dogs and Koreans...

Re: "WHAT RELIGION WERE THE PERPETRATORS OF THE SEATTLE JEWISH CENTER MASSACRE, THE TROLLEY SQUARE MASSACRE, THE UNC JEEP DRIVING INTO STUDENTS ATTACK, THE 9/11 ATTACKS, HANAFI ATTACKS ON THE B'NAI BRITH HQ, ETC., ETC., ETC.? MCVEIGH WAS ARELIGIOUS, SOME SAY ATHEIST. BUT WHAT RELIGION WAS JOHN DOE #2, WHO WAS NEVER LOCATED?"

Wow, I was being sarcastic about a McVeigh-Islam connection, but it appears you buy into it enough. My point remains, you're creating associations with religion and ethnicity to incite hatred for those groups. The sad part is that you're really stretching on this one. I agree, some Muslims and Muslim groups have committed atrocious crimes. But the association you create is one that denies individuality--- that you can sum anyone up by their religion or ethnicity is simply wrong.

For the record, I am not Muslim. Raised Catholic, personally don't care anymore. I don't really care what you say about Islam, I just think you're being inconsistent. No, it's not a religion of peace. But then again religious people, like any people, are defined by their actions. The Nazis were Protestant Christians, yet their actions don't seem very peaceful. Anyone can play the association game. It doesn't matter. Individuals are individuals.

32 young people dead. Just something to be twisted for your agenda against a group of people, right?

Also, more evidence is coming out that he was just a psycho. But...that's those sand people's fault too right? Unbelievable.

This guy couldn't possibly be a terrorist.
If he was, we'd be fighting him in Iraq, not here.

On the other hand 9/11 did change one thing.
We no longer ask what kind of music these murderers were listening to.
Now we just slur entire religions instead of slurring Marilyn Manson fans.

I think some here confuse race with ethnicity, and blur both with religion.
I also think most people, everyday people, are fed up with the practitioners of Submission-the Shia alTaqiyah, abregational denials, 10 y/o Shahid Shahada, Raisinettes, alBatar, et al etc. There is no leadership in the Western world period. Voila! UBL and Mo's Mujahadeen-the ULTIMATE in moral relativism. Kill, rape, mutilate...but not to a Muslim. Don't like "da man", blame "whitey" and thank "Allah." Don't like a Jew, smite him for "allahs" sake. Wanna a child bride...praise Mo', thank "Allah".
It ain't about race. It ain't about ethnicity, or as one astute poster calls some "Sand People" (Freudian slip)?

It's about sick and tired of PC bullsh*t period. If the knucklehead isn't a Submissive, I'll donate alms.
However, TOO many incidents are blamed on the "lone gunman" theory.
Better dead than Mo ham med!
Mah salami.

The first Google entry has this: Abstract: . We establish expansion formulas of q-exponential functions in terms of continuous q-ultraspherical polynomials, continuous q-Hermite polynomials and Askey-Wilson polynomials. The proofs are based on solving connection coefficient problems. 1. Introduction. The q-exponential function on a q-quadratic grid is (1.1) E q (x; a; b) := 1 X n=0 (aq (1\Gamman)=2 e i` ; aq (1\Gamman)=2 e \Gammai` ; q) n (q; q) n q n 2 =4 b n ; where x = cos `, [Is:Zh], [At:Su]. Ismail and Zhang...

with ISMAIL as one of the authors, but you're right, there is no REAL REFERENCE to ISMAIL AX...since he's from the West Coast i thought it might be some metal or grunge band...STILL hoping he's a country music fan.

i like JENNI'S explanation, but since i remember having to read "Moby Dick" in college, i sincerely DOUBT anyone would be into the book that much that they'd be drawing those kind of parallels...took me over ten years of intensive deciphering before i started using Joycean allusion from "Finnegans Wake" and "Ulyssses."

MIGHT BE the name of some local heroin or crystal meth, but maybe the boy was just plain crazy.

I resent Jody's suggestion that this guy wasn't an illegal alien.

The minute he concealed two loaded firearms on his person without a permit, he was a deportable criminal illegal alien in violation of the law whether you want to wait for the fat illegal alien ignoring cops to charge him, the local courts to prosecute him, and federal courts to deport him on the firearms charge -or you take my approach for insurance and add that he is deportable, according to a USDOJ opinion, as a threat to public safety, no conviction necessary. At any rate, a campus cop calls an ICE agent who knows what he is talking about, and this nut is not going back to school in the immediate future and certainly minus his weapons.

"Ismail Ax" could be an anagram. There's nothing related to an Islamist MO here. He wrote a violent, distrubed play called "Richard McBeef" about a teen boy and his pedophile stepfather. None of the other school shooters - Columbine, Jonesboro, Paducah - had any Islamist connection.

Hotair theorizes (can't find the link now) that there is a short story about Ismael and an ax, because the ax could be used for destruction or creation, and since he was an English major maybe that's the reference.

". . . you're creating associations with religion and ethnicity to incite hatred for those groups."

No, Debbie is warning us to the danger posed by those who adhere to Islam's totalitarian ideology.

". . . I agree, some Muslims and Muslim groups have committed atrocious crimes. But the association you create is one that denies individuality--- that you can sum anyone up by their religion or ethnicity is simply wrong."

In general, that is true. In the case of the Religion of Peace, its god and founder commanded (and practiced) the fighting against, subduing and humiliating, and killing of non-Muslims to make the world Islam.

"I don't really care what you say about Islam . . . ."

Stubborn ignorance is no way to gain credibility.

". . . I just think you're being inconsistent."

It is possible the VT killer is not Muslim. We should wait and see.

"No, it's not a religion of peace. But then again religious people, like any people, are defined by their actions."

Doctrine defines a religion. Belief determines action. And many people around the world commit violence daily in the name of Allah, just as he commanded.

"The Nazis were Protestant Christians. . . ."

Nazism was neither Protestant nor Christian.

". . . yet their actions don't seem very peaceful."

Your use of the word "yet" indicates that you understand the Christian religion forbids violence and coercion in matters of faith.

Islam commands violence when conversion and humiliating submission are refused.

"Anyone can play the association game. It doesn't matter. Individuals are individuals."

It would be foolish to ignore "divine" commands for violence against Infidels and Apostates and fourteen hundred years of carrying them out.

If we still have troops in Korea they must not be getting adequate funds to do their jobs well enough, otherwise this terrorist would have been over there killing Americans. Don't you listen to our president?

McVeigh learned his bomb making from what the Army. I think not. Who helped him mix te ingredients? Hint: He didn't do it himself. That much material for that bomb required either two people with a boat load of time or in this case many men for the short iime it took.

Oh, wait, the Bush Admin did it premptively!

The most ridiculous editorial comment that I saw conflated the murders at VT with male pattern baldness, saying that society tolerates both as aspects of maleness. From my local Gannett dogscoop:

http://lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070417/OPINION/704170323/1015/OPINION01

chsw

As much as the muslim connection seems obvious, is it correct? maybe he wasn't a muslim, just wanted us to think that? What I want to know is, can we even be sure that he was from 'South' Korea?

And no, violent, anti-social loners would never be attracted to a religion that allows them to feel superior and slaughter innocents without guilt. Never.

Posted by: sonomaca [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 17, 2007 04:29 PM

Look up the Spanish Inquisition,
Look up the Salem Witch trials,
look up 585 A.D., Catholics argued that women did not have mortal souls and debated if women were even human beings,
look up 1450, the dichotomy was complete and the dogma was established by the Catholic church that all physically desirable women were evil witches. The church was losing its power, and demonizing women was their means to fight the rediscovering of human joyfulness brought on by the emerging Renaissance.

So this is not a religion of hate? god is a spiteful spook, aint he. Oh and God allowed the killing the 32 students in V-tech. What a loving God. And people call athiests evil? I'm a conservative/republican athiest.

I don't believe in atheists. Can you prove it?

I don't believe in atheists. Can you prove it?

You probably already know this, but in James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,” the settler Ishmael Bush, who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his arm? Just my two cents.

If the VA killer was not a muslim he certainly was dabbling in it. The Ismail ax written on his arm surely meant something to him. "Cho was found with the words “Ismael Ax” written in red ink on one of his arms, the Washington Post reported law enforcement sources as saying. The New York Post tried to explain what “Ismael Ax” means:
The reference may be to the Islamic account of the Biblical sacrifice of Abraham, where God commands the patriarch to sacrifice his own son. Abraham begins to comply, but God intervenes at the last moment to save the boy … Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax.
A more obscure reference may be to a passage in the Koran referring to Abraham’s destruction of pagan idols; in some accounts, he uses an ax to do so."
By the way he was an English major not engineering.
It is sad the government keeps hiding the crimes these muslims do. It is always they went insane suddenly when they kill a number of non muslims. Too many incidents like this. If you read the quran or listen to what the imams are saying you can tell Islam is a violent religion. Look into Mohammeds history. It's not one of peace.

Salem Witch Trials: 20 executed.
Inquisition: 2,000 - 5,000 executed (estimated).
March 2007 deaths due to global Jihad: 2,000 (approximate).

...yeah, there's balance. Jihad Kibra is hazardous to your health.

Christian oppression of women? Please explain the Sura dealing with the disciplining of ones wife? The Nicab? Slave ownership?

Salaami.

From Taurus' comment:
"Abraham uses a knife in most versions of the story, but some accounts have him wielding an ax."

Does the Post have a link or reference to an account that has Abraham using an ax? I couldn't find anything and the only versions of the story I could find had no mention of a weapon of any kind? Can anyone nail the reference? He is said to be using one to smash up idols.

Akak: I was confused by the quote you provided. Was Ishmael talking to Abraham during the destruction of the idols? I thought Ishmael was born after.

Anyway, I'm Catholic so I have no real clue. I'm also hoping we hear more from the press to clarify . Maybe this dude's notes and whatnot will settle the issue.

As I stated in a comment to the post that debbie has (thankfully) removed from the site, we can stop these wild speculations about Cho having Muslim ties. It has now come out that his family is Christian, as are the overwhelming majority of South Koreans both in South Korea and in the US, the bulk of the remainder being Buddhist. Furthermore, Cho had stated in the videos he sent to NBC that he would "die like Jesus."

As I said in my other comment: we must face up to the fact that Islam isn't the only religion which can play into a violent sociopath's delusions. Christianity can fit the bill just as well, and, indeed, often has over the course of history.

Since the original thread I posted to got wiped out, and it fits here just as well...

ISMAIL IS NOT FROM THAT. MOBY DICK USES THE ENGLISH VERSION OF THE NAME. ISMAIL IS ARABIC.

Good point- It's very troubling that no one noticed this Pakistani on a student visa walking around with Arabic written on his forearm.

Although I suppose the fact that he was a Korean raised mostly in the US, who apparently used the English version, "Ishmael"- well, that might have thrown less astute observers off.

But not Debbie!!! Way to go!!!

Remind me- what happens in baseball when the batter swings and misses three pitches in a row?

Although I will admit, it's been entertaining watching someone so fail so insistently, vehemently and spectacularly right from the word go. ;)

In the Bible,Ishmael is presented as a violent reprehensible man. In the Qu'ran, he is considered the father of Muslims and a hero. I think there is a connection to both.

"As I said in my other comment: we must face up to the fact that Islam isn't the only religion which can play into a violent sociopath's delusions. "

Islam commands it, supports it, and codifies it....against non-Muslims of course. For fighting Jihad and becoming a Shahid is the way.

"Christianity can fit the bill just as well,"

By twisted screws, which cannot be spiritually justified except by White Power nut jobs. What passage in the NT commands killing non-Christians to spread the "word"?

"indeed, often has over the course of history."

Please save the "Crusades" crap...What were they in response to again? Jim Jones you say? puulease. The VT nutjob wanting to die like Jesus, is him Feeeling like a "misunderstood" wannabe martyr. Its a Shahada video, no matter how you slice it. No, no, I've got it...blame the "racist" society he came from...Northern Virginia. Been to the D.C metro area lately? Since let's see..since...hmm...the late '70's? Can't get much more diverse thanthat.

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"VERY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION . . . IF HE WAS READING MOBY DICK IN ARABIC. SOMETHING WHICH I'M SURE MOST SOUTH KOREANS DO EVERY DAY.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL"

dear crazy bitch...
if you bother to do any research before you run your fat mouth you would see that on the package sent to NBC news, Cho spelled it "Ishmail" and also frequently referred to Jesus Christ and never to mohammed. i realize that your hate-spewing came before these FACTS but dont let that stop you from issuing a correction. but then again, you probably realize you will get more attention (and hopefully money and media apparences) from spewing garbage rather than facts and actual reporting. Good luck with that...although you will never be able to fill your hero, MANN COULTER'S shoes

"Islam commands [killing], supports it, and codifies it....against non-Muslims of course. For fighting Jihad and becoming a Shahid is the way."

You say that Christianity can only be used for violence when it is perverted beyond recognition by twisted nut cases. I agree. But why aren't you willing to allow the same condition for Islam, that the violent fundamentalist strain of Islam is a perversion of that religion? Especially when millions of Muslims the world over aren't killing people, and don't want people to be killed, but simply want to live a normal day-to-day life. Are such people being bad Muslims?

But religion isn't only perverted by twisted nut jobs. It is also twisted by self-serving despotic rulers. Don't worry, I don't need to harp on the Crusades. I'm thinking more of the religious wars which spanned a century in Europe, in which pillaging and murdering was done by Catholics and Protestants in the name of fighting for "true Christianity." It is extremely telling that after Phillip II of Spain finished chasing the Muslim Turks out of Europe, he then turned his attention to exterminating the Protestants. He saw them as the next big threat to Christianity! (and the next big threat to his own power). In the meantime, Catholic and Protestant extremists were assassinating leaders left and right. Politics perverts religion. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, the Taleban and others like them have similarly perverted Islam for their own selfish purposes?

No religion is immune to being perverted. Islam has gone through periods where what was "foreign" and "non-Muslim" wasn't seen as evil or demonic (otherwise, Islamic cultures would never have preserved the works of ancient Greek philosophers which had been lost in Europe because the Church destroyed them) and Muslims were able to peacefully coexist with Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and Christians. On the other hand, Islamic history has gone through periods of intolerance, no doubt about it. But the same patterns of peace and violence have occurred in Christianity. To ask whether Islam is "more" or "less prone to perversion" than Christianity is to a certain degree beside the point. What is important is that a religion isn't inherently a "religion of peace" or a "religion of violence," and that there is always the possibility for change.

While the Protestants and Catholics hav had their differences in the past, and yes, people killed for "power and control"...it cannot be justified in with any NT text. I think the Western world has moved past the Middle Ages n'est pas?
When you say Islam has "had" periods of intolerance; do you mean before Mohammed left for Medina or after his "flight" to Medina. (Interesting choice of words no? "Flight" vice say trip, or departure, or whatever else. Why did he leave Mecca again? People were tired of his malarky? {This is called thread drift} Tell ya what, enlighten those of us who don't know why there is "AH" means in the Islamic calendar...and when the violent Suras where written... Any place where Muslims have been the minority, there has been pluralistic and universal "Peace." Wherever they approach demographic parity, and or a majority...stand-by...the "lesser" Jihad overtakes the "greater" Jihad. Apologetics and facts aside, aside, the massacre was F'd up. No "understanding", or "mercy" should be shown to ANY barbarians period. His actions and video is/were text book late 20th and 21st century Shahada activity.

Ya know, I mean, if let's see...a Jewish or Christian "prophet" writes a book and says all other non-believers are "apes, pigs, Pagans" et al etc. well, the author, and the ideology they voice, would be considered "racist", "fascist, "intolerable", "right-wing extremist", "phobic", or whatever other label the leftist choose to label them.... ...but Submission is given a pass. Hmm.

Why?

Signed,
John Sobieski, Winston Churchill, T. Jefferson, Chris Colombus, Darfor Christian Coalition, Budhist Stone Workers Union, Jizyah Releif Society, Anti-Psycotropic League, and every single soul murdered for a f'd up dry grass land thug named Mo Mo the wannabe. (Think about it, if only Cho had the people skills of Mohammed, he might of had a "religion" ??

BAN GUNS FOR NON-U.S. CITIZENS. If you want to buy a gun? Become an U.S. citizen

Dear Sirs Ismail ax is an interesting name on his arm for profilling. Ismail in the Bible and the Koran was rejected by his father Abraham the first person God made covenment marriage with. Ismail Rejected by God in Abraham household which held this coverment Ismail Rejected by his steptmother because of her child Issac was more important Abraham gave Ismail and his birth mother short food and kicked them out of his home to the wilderness where God said he would bless him with some water and give him to be the father of a great nation. Ismail is clearly been rejected which would humiliate his selfesteem. Bible : Genesis 21: Thank you

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