April 16, 2007, - 8:55 pm

The Student Shooter & More Questions; UPDATE: S. KOREAN Student

**** UPDATE, 04/17/07: The shooter has now been identified as a South Korean who is a permanent resident. ****
So, the perpetrator of the Virginia Tech massacre is a Chinese national here on a student visa. And, today, this alien did “the job that Americans just won’t do.”
Remember that the next time you hear President Bush and Condi Clueless waxing lyrical about how we need more foreign students in America. We do not. Remember the , two Saudi students in Tampa, last year, who hijacked a school bus full of kids while wearing trench coats in 90-plus degree weather?

* How did a Chinese national get two 9 MM guns and plenty of ammo to go with it?
* Where did he learn ?

* Was he behind the bomb threats in the last couple of weeks?
* Will America–and its out-of-touch university officials in their ivory towers–finally let its college students have the right to keep and bear arms on college campuses, instead of ?
And most important:
* Will this make America more vigilant in who it accepts as foreign students and less eager to take in these nationals–site and background virtually unseen?

That’s the only question I can answer with a great degree of confidence:
Don’t Bet On It.
The biggest lesson here is how vulnerable America’s college campuses are to bloody massacres like this one. And how unprepared and poorly-trained campus police are to deal with such situations.
Don’t count on that to change too much either.
And remember: Just because this attacker was not Muslim, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of potential and hopeful ones among the thousands Muslim nations are sending here to “study” under Saudi King Abdullah’s scholarships.
Like I said, don’t forget the from last year.
One other thing: Watch for the gunmaker (whichever manufacturer it is) to get sued by a million sleazy lawyers.
Reader Chas asks:

(1) “Officials said the gunman acted alone. But at one point three
people were seen being escorted away from Norris Hall, the teaching
building where most of the shootings took place, in handcuffs. That
raised at least the possibility of a wider criminal conspiracy.”
(2) if this is just a unplanned domestic dispute gone south, why would
the shooter call in bomb threats to test security days before and then
arrive at the norris bldg heavily ammo up?
(3) if he didn’t kill his estranged g/f at the dorm and went looking for her at the norris bldg two hrs later (!!!!!!), is she one of the 32 dead or still alive?
(4) where did the illegal guns come from, if here on a visa and not
allowed purchase firearms? [DS: I asked this same question, above.]
(5) seems like too much damage done for one shooter and two guns.

Good questions, Chas. As yet, no answers. Seems a little too convenient for such a large and effective massacre–and there are a lot of loose ends. But we’ll see.
Reader Jeff makes this interesting observation:

HE CHAINED THE DOORS – on other side of campus – cool and collected. If it was domestic why would he have chains (MUST HAVE BEAN A LOT OF CHAINS! AND THAT WOULD TAKE MORE THAN BOOK BAG – to hold all those chains and ammo and two prob Tek-9’s – figure he was on his bike or another shooter and perhaps more that were locking those exit doors? . . .
And yes, the enemy is more than certainly watching – and it shows an easier mass casualty rather than all the planning for bombings???


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17 Responses

Watch as our fearless, brain-dead political leaders turn this into a gun control issue. Examining foreign student visas and the issue of people who overstay their visas is xenophobic, don’t you know. Political correctness is killing us!

FreethinkerNY on April 16, 2007 at 9:26 pm

I really think it is too soon (meaning less than 24-hours) to already start politicizing about this unbelievable tragedy. Too much is unknown right now. Not to mention the fact that it is in bad taste to do so. Let the event sink in, allow mourning to take place, then we can discuss the issues surrounding. To do so now would be to let our emotions take control, and that usually is not the way to go.

AlternativeThought on April 16, 2007 at 9:47 pm

Virginia Tech ban on guns may draw legal fire: 13APR05.
Virginia Tech’s recent action against a student caught carrying a gun to class could draw unwanted attention from groups already angry about firearms restrictions on public college campuses.
“I think it’s fair to say that we believe guns don’t belong in the classroom,” Hincker said. “In an academic environment, we believe you should be free from fear.”
Larry Hincker, University Relations

pez on April 16, 2007 at 11:03 pm

Students here from China are under an incredible expectation to succeed. They don’t want you here for a couple years and flunk out.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the main focus was Academic in nature. Some kind of reprisal for some perceived raw deal he thinks he got or was getting. The girlfriend was just a loose end in a twisted “I’m gonna take you with me” kind of way.

jpm100 on April 17, 2007 at 5:40 am

Wow. Zero to “cheap political trash-talk point” in less than 24 hours. You’re disgusting, Debbie. You and every other second-guessing, race-baiting chattering loon twisting a tragedy into a chance to slag off anyone who isn’t white and Christian.
There’s a special place in a very special Hell reserved for people like you. It’s a wonder to me that you can look at yourself in the mirror every morning.

The Concordian on April 17, 2007 at 7:11 am

Get your pin-sized head out of the liberal koolaid bucket and pay attention. This is another in a long series of arguments as to why the F-1/H-1B Student Visa calamity should be shut down. Let’s see, Atta and some of his fellow thugs came in here to learn to fly planes…like they can’t do that in their own countries or, better, yet, in some noodle-spined European country such as France? They can’t study medicine, business, marketing, et al, in the Camel Kingdom? China has some of the finest educational institutions in the world but they have to come here? Hell, they just take what they’ve learned back to their countries. It’s bad enough that CIS (That’s Citizenship and Immigration Services for those of you in a liberal induced coma) can’t keep track of the nonimmigrant visitors but they have no clue where a great majority of these “students” are who they admit by the hundreds, if not thousands, every year. Most of them come in under the auspice of being a student but, once they get in the door, they’re off to their criminal venture. There are no psychiatric tests for these mopes so you never know who’s coming. Don’t count on the officers working the consulates to figure it out; they’re more preoccupied with their little kingdoms than doing what needs done to keep these dirtbags out.

1shot1kill on April 17, 2007 at 8:18 am

Ya think the Israel-hating media will run this story? http://snipurl.com/1gtjj

There is NO Santa Claus on April 17, 2007 at 8:31 am

The uber observant Concordian posted:
“You and every other second-guessing, race-baiting chattering loon twisting a tragedy into a chance to slag off anyone who isn’t white and Christian.”
Congratulations Debbie on your conversion to Christianity. 😉
Also, I can’t wait to see how the press spins this latest tragedy perpetrated by yet another sanctified foreign national. I’m sure that he was somehow discriminated against…what else could it be?

Southernops on April 17, 2007 at 8:39 am

Well, now it’s come out that the shooter was NOT a Chinese national, but rather a South Korean national…
“Cho Seung-Hui, a 23-year-old resident alien of the United States, a South Korean national and a Virginia Tech senior has been identified as the gunman in the shootings that left 33 people dead on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, as first reported by ABC News.”

Snidely Whiplash on April 17, 2007 at 9:53 am

Goodness! What paranoia! This incident has nothing to do with race, ethnicity or immigration status. Simply a deranged individual in a society in which every deranged individual seems to have an arsenal of firearms …. Don’t cheapen this tragedy by turning into a race-baiting, anti-immigration crusade. It is a very, very ugly thing to do, and it is truly paranoid.

On The Mark on April 17, 2007 at 10:15 am

“And remember: Just because this attacker was not Muslim, doesn’t mean there aren’t plenty of potential and hopeful ones among the thousands Muslim nations are sending here to “study” under Saudi King Abdullah’s scholarships”
This is a cheap shot even by your standards Debbie.

gregdn on April 17, 2007 at 10:20 am

Do we know for sure the shooter was not a muslim convert? Will we ever know since he was a loner?

Taurus on April 17, 2007 at 10:29 am

Chains…what you guys are missing: I teach at a public high-school, and attend college 2 nights a week. At both schools, the chains are owned by the school, and are used at night by the janitors to chain the doors shut. When the janitors open the doors the next morning, the chains are then wrapped around the door bars, or just dropped on the floor near the doors. It is much more probable that the chains were near-by, and the shooter just took advantage of the proximity. I hardly think he ran around with heavy chains on his person. Common Sense!

Kannd on April 17, 2007 at 12:08 pm

you ever look at who the perpetrators are in the vast majority of the top massacres, killing sprees, and serial killings in the US?
white males.
that doesn’t make me go all unhinged and rant about how evil all white males must be.
And if you’re going to condemn others (lawyers or gun control freaks) for taking political advantage of this horrific incident, you might want to look in the mirror…after all you are the one desperately trying to incoherently squeeze this incident into your jihad against the evil muslim boogieman.

circlethewagons on April 17, 2007 at 12:13 pm

You’ve hit on the core inconsistency of Debbie Schlussel’s perspective. Her arguments tend to say, because this bad person is a Muslim, ALL Muslims are bad people. Here’s a heroic Jewish person, so ALL Jews are great. Children do something similar, where they create associations between people that share characteristics. Anybody could point to a number of horrible things done by certain Jewish individuals and claim something similar about all Jews, but it’s meaningless, and Americans are FAR more sensitive to anti-Semitism than hatred for Muslims, no matter what folks on this site would like you to believe. It’s all BS. Individuals are individuals.
Remember when everyone suspected “Arab looking men” at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing? Well, we saw how that turned out. And it repeated itself this time.
As a side note, people should stop complaining about Debbie’s use of the slur “Paki”. This site has been promoting hate for ethnic and religious groups for a long time, and that’s the matter of substance, not what words that she uses to express it.

Sunny K on April 17, 2007 at 12:40 pm

Imagine that, a Korean national killed a bunch of people. Hey George W. Bush, you jackass, this dork had a student visa, now imagine some shitbag who’s a recipient of the Guest Workers Permit goes banana? The guy BTW I’m hearing was jilted…HE WAS PUSSY-WHIPPED! My God, is the vag so strong you’re willing to kill? The guy was a loser and should have listened to Tom Leykis or read http://www.tenetsofleykis.com/ and maybe, these kids would be alive today. And speaking of gun control, wouldn’t this be a justification to have gun control? Register, do the background check and limit gun ownership to NON-AMERICANS??? The NRA are fucked up because, they would probably want some goddamn terrorists to have all the gun they want. No, register and check as well as limit the guns to ALL non-citizens and if they want more? Become a citizen! Gun ownership should be a right for ALL Americans, not non-Americans, Do you agree?

KOAJaps on April 17, 2007 at 3:21 pm

Again, he was from Korea. he was not a citizen. therefore, the right to own a firearm should not be allowed…UNLESS YOU’RE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!! OK? Thank you.

KOAJaps on April 18, 2007 at 5:42 am

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