November 16, 2009, - 11:37 am

HUH?!: Geller “Anti-“Honor Killing Rally Features Mother Who Conspired to Kill Daughters

By Debbie Schlussel

How do you go from–less than two months ago–rightfully condemning a mother for sending her daughters to what she knew would be their murder by their Muslim father  . . . to making her a featured speaker at your anti-honor killing rally?!

rifqabaryrallyThat’s a question you’ll have to ask Pamela Geller, who–as is her recent SOP with me–ignored my e-mails to her, including two asking her why she invited Patricia Said a/k/a “Tissie,” mother of the late Sarah and Amina Said (honor killing victims) , to speak at the rally she organized, today, in Ohio for Fathima Rifqa Bary, the teen convert to Christianity seeking to get away from her Muslim parents.  The rally is set to take place at noon.  This is the woman who–less than two months ago–called Patricia Said, “the Mom From Hell” and a “murderous mom.” That’s exactly what Mrs. Said still is, despite her current “rehabilitation” by Pamela, who a few weeks ago said, “she deserves jail and knows it.”


As those of us who’ve followed the story (I was the first to blog about it and call it an honor killing) have known all along, Tissy was in on the child abuse and honor killings of her daughters from day one.  It’s well detailed in this extensive Dallas Observer piece.  Given all of this, it’s kind of funny to read Pamela’s “not on my watch” comments about Patricia Said, seven weeks ago, and now see her as an invited speaker on Pamela’s “watch,” whatever that is.

It boggles the mind that any sane, principled person truly against honor killings would invite this woman, Patricia Said, to speak at such a rally.  If she was Rifqa Bary’s mother, the Bary teen would be dead by now, with her help.  And her complicity in the murders of her daughters is aside from the fact that, when they were alive, Mrs. Said repeatedly allowed her husband to sexually molest her daughters.  Only her great-aunt, Gail Gartrell, and her late mother coerced her to finally make a report to police on the molestation.

From: Debbie Schlussel
Date: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:09 PM
Subject: PAMELA, Y R U having Tissy Said @ rally? She helped kill her daughters
To: pamela geller

Instead of answering my question, Pamela ignored it and covered her ass–choosing to deceive readers of her Atlas Shrugs website with creative editing and removing Patricia Said’s name and changing it to “honor killing victims’ family members.” (It should have read “co-conspirators in honor killings.) But Said will be there, courtesy of Pamela, who organized the rally and paid for Tissie Said’s travel to and lodging for the event.  But, hey, Pamela told third parties that it will be “powerful.”  Riiiight.  Perhaps, after reading this, at the last minute Pamela–to save face, but not because she’s discovering anything she didn’t know well–will ask Said not to speak.  But don’t be fooled.  Less than two months after calling this woman a “co-murderer” and saying she should be in jail, Pamela invited her to the event.

That Pamela would invite this woman–and pay for her to be there–is telling.  Pamela preferred symbolism over substance, and this isn’t the first time.  Her “excuse” is that she wants a mother of an honor killing victim to speak.  Um, yeah, the “mother” who sent her kids to their death and, before that, forced them into a life of abuse.  It’s a source of pain and disgust to Gail Gartrell, Sarah and Amina Said’s great-aunt.  As you’ll remember, Mrs. Gartrell, the only living relative who (along with her husband) fought the Islamic persecution of her great-nieces, contacted me before any other media source to agree with me that, yes, this was an honor killing.  Mrs. Gartrell fought to protect her great-nieces, and the person whom she had to fight was the speaker at Pamela’s rally.

It’s really sickening and should be a wake up call for people.

It’s really too bad.  Honor killings are a horrible tragedy.  But they don’t happen without the complicity of parents–usually both of them, as in the case of Sarah and Amina Said.  It pains me to write this because I’ve done much to help Pamela–some of it at her request and much of it because it was the right thing to do–over the years.  Among many other things, that includes going out on a limb and criticizing Michelle Malkin for stealing her story on Rachael Ray, the keffiyeh, and Dunkin’ Donuts.   And when ABC News and CNN Headline news wanted to interview me on the story, I told them that Pamela had broken it and suggested they contact her, which both did.

Now, Pamela knows better on Patricia Said (and many other things) . . . but she’s doing it anyway.  Some people say “not on my watch,” but not only don’t they really mean it, they enable the perpetrators.  There are warriors, and then there are pseudo-warriors, who casually throw principle to the wind whenever it’s convenient.

Wake up call, people.

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56 Responses

Its sad…. one expects better of a fellow Jew. The least she could have done is admit she made a mistake. In not owing up to it, Pamela Geller looks like a hypocrite, like so many on the Right. We can’t really say we are against “honor killings” if we invite those who are complicit in it to an event called to wipe out that scourge. If you can’t stand on principle, then don’t say you’re part of the war against what Islam is doing to its own offspring and to American values.

Then you’re part of the problem and not part of the solution.

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 11:52 am

    something tells me that after years with this monster, she was mental mush, and even though i believe she should have been brave and smarter…..she may have been delusional as well ???

    geller must have given her a pass, we need to know why unless its just for publicity


    drew299 on November 16, 2009 at 11:59 am

could be a few things…… could be she found out some info that changes her view ? like the mom was so scared or bullied that she ???

i would like to know the answer as well ? she should have gotten those kids out of danger,

most american women are not the sharpest, at least when it comes to men, arab and other types in particular……

keep us posted ds

drew299 on November 16, 2009 at 11:54 am

I used to read Atlas a lot. She used to have some really good stuff (She broke the story about the Obama campaign receiving donations from Gaza disguised as being from Georgia) I don’t anymore. However the reasons I stoped reading Atlas had nothing to do with dishonesty but one of credibility (She would never lie, but she was not so good about checking her facts).

Now I can no longer say Atlas is not dishonest. I only hope this does not turn into something like the Charles Johnson initiated Blog war.

I_AM_ME on November 16, 2009 at 12:42 pm

i’m not defending pamela, but i recognize that she’s compromising her own standards by “using” murderous mom for her first-person testimony for the benefit of rifqa.

i think pamela’s zeal to help this poor girl knows no bounds.

HR: No, this is just the latest that demonstrates her zeal to help herself knows no bounds. It was a huge slap in the face of those dead girls and their great-aunt. DS

howardroark on November 16, 2009 at 12:44 pm

I dont’ know, I agree with Pam on a few things an dI try to speak out when one of her readers goes overboard but I have begun to feel, in comparing her constant drum beating for Rifqa and Debbie’s discrete handling of it that Pam’s efforts may just backfire. She seems to have missed, for example that the pastors who took Rifqa in are die hard evangelists and their stated reason for coming to Israel in the near future is to bring the Gospel to the Jewish people and the Arabs as well, but always “to the Jew first.” This alone should be enough for a Jew to disassociate herself from the orgnaization. After looking at the church’s website, it’s hard to believe their actions in this case are totally altruistic. I seem to sense that Rifqa is their “trophy” Muslim. G-d forbid,but she will be more valuable to them too dead.
Is Pamela Geller that blinded by her rage?

MK750 on November 16, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    “I seem to sense that Rifqa is their “trophy” Muslim… Is Pamela Geller that blinded by her rage?”

    good points. i think pamela has sincere empathy for Rifqa; as an innocent, vulnerable girl. would Rifqa also serve as a “trophy muslim” for pamela’s cause? yes, i suppose so. sure, pamela’s outraged by islam and all of its inherent evil… i am too. many people are. i believe pamela is channeling her rage constructively by fighting back against islam. i truly admire that in her (and debbie).

    howardroark on November 16, 2009 at 12:55 pm

      To clarify, I don’t believe that Pam Geller is looking for a “trophy Muslim.” I was referring to the missionary pastors.

      MK: Actually the uncorrected statement would be the correct one. DS

      MK750 on November 16, 2009 at 2:35 pm

    Just because someone is an extremely enthusiastic evangelical they’re suspect? Suspected of what? Proselytizing? Um, that’s what evangelicals do. The Lorenzes, in my opinion, are blameless here. They’re not part of a cult, and at least if you leave their little world they won’t get their friends and relatives to hunt you down and kill you.

    Lots of Christians are missionaries. Not the most valid point here.

    winoceros on November 16, 2009 at 2:58 pm

      I agree with you. Let’s not have any Christian bashing.

      lexi on November 16, 2009 at 6:55 pm

      Yes, winoceros, to a Jew every evangelical is suspect particualrly the ones who proclaim on their websites their intent to come to MY country and destroy MY Jewish soul. I don’t want to hear your gospel, been there done that. If it weren’t for the Jews you wouldn’t even be a Noachide. You’d be giving your children to Moloch and dancing naked in the forests.
      I didn’t say the church was a cult for that matter but they are militantly evangelical and that is offensive. The Israeli government needs to get a clue and stop giving visas to people who come on a mission. In general, I think there are better ways to do what they do. And furthermore the phrase that is always quoted “the great commission” is misinterpreted even from a Christian perspective.
      If Jesus told his disciples to go OUT from Jerusalem and preach the gospel to all NATIONS fine. A JEWISH man telling other JEWISH men to go out from Israel and to the NATIONS always but ALWAYS means to the Gentiles. “The Nations” never includes Jews or Israel as much as evangelicals would like it to. Whatever I may think of your false messiah he was a Jew and teaching from a Jewish understanding. The problem with relying on the Greek Testament is that some is true and a lot is made up by the Council of NIcea in the Third Century. And the way to discern them is to learn Talmud and the Tanakh from a Jewish perspective.

      MK750 on November 17, 2009 at 2:48 am

I remember this case from Americas Most Wanted, I figured it out then the mother was totally at fault even led the two girls to their deaths it was very sad to watch. I felt then she should’ve been arrested for complicity in the case. The girls got away from this bum till the mother made that fateful phone call convincing them to return home. Siad deserves only jail time instead of reverence. Its too bad Pam lacks the common decency to find someone more honorable to speak on the subject of honor killings.
It behooves me how we can allow such people into our country no matter there foul customs then an organization is created out of thin air in order to teach the monsters to leave the bad behavior behind. Why don’t we keep them off the guest list to this misbegotten country so we wouldn’t have the need for groups to rally against it. Therefore Ms. Geller can climb back into the hole of obscurity where she belongs.

seahawker on November 16, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    “Ms. Geller can climb back into the hole of obscurity where she belongs.”

    i’ll bet rifqa’s happy ms. geller climbed out of her obscurity hole to support her…

    again, ms. geller’s decision to now use tilly is a wrong one. but she’s been a tireless supporter of rifqa and has taken point on many, many worthwhile issues and causes.

    low blow, seahawker.

    howardroark on November 16, 2009 at 1:04 pm

I don’t know how long they will be there, but on the comment page to the article on Atlas, there is a poster with Patricia Said’s name on it and a comment from NEPatriot blasting Atlas with quotes from Debbie.

I_AM_ME on November 16, 2009 at 1:03 pm

I_AM, I wonder if it was deleted. 😉

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 1:33 pm


    Not only are they still there, but someone on the site left a link to the poster that has Patricia Said’s name on it and on the bottom states “More information at“. The link is

    My guess is that Pamela is currently at the rally and cannot take it down. Yet.

    I_AM_ME on November 16, 2009 at 1:49 pm

The comment is still there.

Michael Haltman on November 16, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    Surprise! The comment is now eradicated.

    jayeeegee on November 16, 2009 at 4:42 pm

There are so few worthwhile anti-jihad sites, I hope this doesn’t start another blog war. Can’t we all just get along.

That being said, it seems Pam had enough speakers for the rally without inviting the honor-killing-enabler mother, so inviting her makes no sense. I wish Pam had offered an explanation in answer to DS’s email.

jayeeegee on November 16, 2009 at 2:50 pm

“HR: No, this is just the latest that demonstrates her zeal to help herself knows no bounds. It was a huge slap in the face of those dead girls and their great-aunt. DS”

yes, it is a huge insult to those girls and the aunt. i hadn’t considered that…

howardroark on November 16, 2009 at 3:54 pm

Patricia Said was not at the rally. Her story of repentance was deceptive. She was off the speaker list before the rally.
Get your facts straight.

Pamela: You know, I really should treat you the way you’ve treated me for the last two weeks and ignore your e-mails. This belated e-mail from you is a lot of BS, and you know it. You invited her, despite knowing her story. And you posted something on your site as late as Saturday saying she was going to be a speaker there, despite you knowing what she was all about. After I contacted you twice late Saturday Night and Early Sunday Morning asking you why this woman who sent her kids to their murders was going to be speaking at your rally, you removed her name (and probably asked her not to speak). But she appears on your posters and on your site as one of the speakers. You knew what she was about and invited her. And after Gail Gartrell complained, Robert Spencer–who may have been in on it (since he now removed my name from his blog roll and is joined at the hip with you)–contacted Mrs. Gartrell and offered to fly her to the rally also.

For the last two weeks, you chose to ignore my e-mails, including ones asking you why she was going to be a speaker at your event. You could have responded to those e-mails , but chose not to, as you chose to deceive your readers and not own up to the fact that you invited Patricia Said, despite knowing better, and that you were wrong. Stop lying. You only removed her name from your site, early Sunday Morning, when I asked you about it, twice–the two e-mails you deliberately ignored. You knew better, but invited her because you are a phony. And you didn’t even let Gail Gartrell know. She had to find out from a third party. That’s disgusting. Don’t ever dare tell me to get my facts straight. My facts are straight. You’re lying.

Pamela Geller on November 16, 2009 at 5:26 pm

This was a sad post to see, but not for the reasons Debbie and the commenters are retailing. The reality is that Debbie, by focusing on someone who wasn’t even at the rally, has deflected attention away from where it should be — on Rifqa herself and on the heroic work Pamela Geller has done in putting the rally together. No one else has done as much as Pamela has to draw attention to the Rifqa Bary case. Her selection of speakers today was brilliant, making clear the connection between Rifqa’s case and the larger Islamic jihad worldwide. Simon Deng, the ex-slave from the Sudan, spoke movingly, along with Islamic apostate Nonie Darwish.

And Debbie makes it all about someone who wasn’t even there, whose deceptiveness Pamela discovered well before the rally took place? That’s more than disappointing. That hurts Rifqa’s cause.

RS: As you and I both know, you just signed a book deal to write a book with Pamela and her site now gets more traffic than yours, so you depend on her a lot and are not independent in this matter. However, as we also both know, you were in on this and aren’t being intellectually honest. You knew that Pamela invited this woman who sent her kids to their death and had a Muslim funeral for them against their wishes. Then, when their great-aunt, Gail Gartrell found out about it through a third party, you contacted her and offered to fly her in to be in the rally as well, according to her account, meaning that you were in on this and didn’t take a stand. Shame on you, Robert. DS

Robert Spencer on November 16, 2009 at 5:28 pm

I am going to have to go with with Geller on this. Debbie you are making a mt. out of molehill, remember the big picture, and don’t get to caught up in the minor details. I certainly don’t agree with letting a muzzy supporter get a few minutes of facetime,but let’s see what she has to say, then make a clear judgement call. Remember it is us(infidels) against them(muzzys). Always keep your eye on the prize.

D: Uh, the big picture is that Pamela invited a woman who sent her daughters to their honor killing murder and gave them a Muslim funeral against their wishes a speaker at her event on honor killing, then lied about it, and you fell for it. She only canceled her as a speaker on Sunday Morning when she saw I was calling her on it. I do have my eyes on the prize. You have your eyes up your ass. DS

Drakken on November 16, 2009 at 5:46 pm

This is a sad post to see. Pam posted here to replay to you people but your are too smart too see that Pam nevre had the Said lady even though the poster said the Said lady would be there. It was a misprint or misrepentance anyway like Pam said Jews should stick together. Debbie and Pam need to kiss and make up. With lots of kissing and make up.

CI: She didn’t have her because I called her on it and she knew it would be a source of embarrassment. As late as Sunday Morning, Patricia Said was a scheduled speaker at this rally. Period. I don’t like liars. I don’t like fools who fall for their obvious BS (ie., you, who are her reader, not mine) worse. DS

Captain Insoluble on November 16, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Maybe it was just a case of miscommunication here between these two women. It happens. And Robert Spencer is right – the more we expose the jihad, the more we will learn how it abuses women and children, endangers our freedoms and presents a threat to the Free World.

The one thing we should all agree upon is we don’t need more advocates of jihad and Islamic Sharia on these shores.

NF: There was NO miscommunication. Pamela AND Robert invited a murderer who sent her kids to their honor-killing, then made a Muslim funeral against their wishes. Robert is simply an apologist for a woman, Pamela, with whom he now has a six-figure deal to write a book and who now gets more traffic than his site. He needs her and thus defends her. Not sure how it’s exposing jihad by lying as he has about this and his part in it. DS

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 6:55 pm

DS, I noticed that, presumably for “attacking” Pam Geller’s integrity, the link to your site has been removed from JihadWatch website.

J: Pamela and Robert Spencer just signed a 6-figure deal to write a book together and her site now beats his in traffic. He needs her, so he does what she wants. Plus, he was in on this. I didn’t bring him into it, but since he did, it’s on. Robert knew that Pamela invited Patricia Said to the event as a speaker. And when Gail Gartrell got upset about it, Spencer didn’t take a stand against Patricia Said. He stood by Pam, and called Gartrell, offering to pay for her to be at the event, too. That’s how he took a “principled stand” against jihad. He wimped out. DS

jayeeegee on November 16, 2009 at 7:05 pm

Jay, Pam and Robert did respond on here. And they did point out its not the mom that deserves attention, its the potential victim. And tragically, there are too many victims of Islam to count and moreover its a war that has no end in sight.

NF: If they really cared about victims–as in the two dead girls and their great-aunt, they would have admitted their part in this (yes, Robert was involved in this absurdity, too), owned up to it, and apologized, admitting it was wrong. They do not, and instead, they invited a murderer to an event against honor-killing and are now lying about it. DS

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 7:29 pm

Debbie,your responses for the rest of this thread is a reminder that doing the right thing is always important. Especially in a fight as critical as this one. Cutting corners only aids the enemy and harms those who really need the help of decent and thoughtful people.

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 9:35 pm

There’s that old saying: “Ya lay down with dogs; ya get up with fleas.” I think Pam had a big enough rally without inviting a person who murdered in the name of Islam. Here again, this woman had no place at the rally; she has no place of honor among supporters of Israel.

Pam was wrong, but I’d like to think her larger efforts are pulling for the correct side. In time, I hope she does you the courtesy of a reply to your email. I would also encourage you to do us all the courtesy of keeping your communications with Pam private.

Oh! One more thing: I can’t thank you enough for giving me a heads up on who some of these “dogs” are. Thanks to you, I don’t have any fleas.

Deb, we’ve always had this difference between us. I’m not as discriminating as you are about who I accept assistance from.
You know that, but when it comes to unrepentant murder in the name of Sharia, I find it way too difficult to make compromises.

What were they thinkin’!

There is NO Santa Claus on November 16, 2009 at 9:37 pm

No Santa Claus, Debbie did not disclose anything that is a matter of public record. As she relates, she wrote to Pamela about this for two weeks and never heard from her until tonight. I would think if you have a friend you do the courtesy of responding to them. And if you’re wrong you admit it. The bottom line is that Pamela and Robert had no right to keep Gail Gartrell in the dark and they had no business inviting someone who murdered children to their event. And neither of them addressed both of their actions which Debbie brought up.

I would be discriminating to as to who I would pick in this fight against Islam and jihad. When one drops principle it robs us of the moral courage needed to persist against a ruthless and evil foe. The point is Pam and Robert did a big disservice to this fight and it will go nowhere without truth and honor on behalf of the victims and their families.

A righteous cause is never made stronger by resort to subterfuge and lies.

NormanF on November 16, 2009 at 10:04 pm

How strange. The first several comments are supportive of Debbie on this in general, and then a whole slew of comments starting with Geller and Spencer which are critical of Debbie. Couldn’t be orchestrated could it?

This last year has really been a textbook showcase of opportunism. It seems to have started with ‘conservative’ speechwriters and others like them going over to Obama for financial reasons, David Frum and Peggy Noonan, followed by others of their ilk like Kathleen Parker and David Brooks. Not to mention mainstream Republican politicians who did what they felt they had to do to prosper (witness even Coburn with his close ‘friendship’ with Obama).

Now, Obama is starting to lose some momentum, and it is getting to a point where the money-chasers see some financial motivation to take up positions against Obama. It’s easier to make money now with anti-Obama positions on economic and foreign policy, witnessed by Noonan’s feeble attempts to reclassify herself as some kind of insipid Republican, and they may feel this is the way the wind is starting to blow.

Geller and Spencer seem motivated to cash in on financial opportunities which are probably better for them than at any time since the Obama craze has been with us, the last couple of years. I don’t know whether their opportunism preceded the Hasan shooting Nov. 6, but even if it did, the notoriety of the events around Hasan showed there’s money to be made again criticizing Muslims, especially, so it seems, on a get-rich-quick basis.

The advantage for those of us who value truth and integrity is that the last couple of years have exposed a lot of shallow people, and whoever wants accurate information and assessments can see from the falling-out, who to believe and who to discard. There are momentous times and events on the near-term horizon, and events like this may at least have the advantage of showing discerning people who it is worth keeping up with and who it is worth discarding.

Little Al on November 16, 2009 at 11:14 pm

I love you Debbie because you never miss a thing. You have a prophets’ heart and are bold as a lion–still think you are wrong about the Sarah Palin thing, but let that go. In this case, however, you are spot on. The serpent in the garden decieved Chavvah with craftiness, but Geller knows this woman’s record of forsaking her own children, so Geller is being nothing but foolish in snuggling with this snake. Some will say that Said was frightened by the wrath her husband would pour out on her for defending her children, but even the tiny Wren will fight a giant owl to save her babies, so that arguement doesn’t square with mothering instincts. This is how the softening begins, and a little leven levens the whole lump…

Mewize on November 16, 2009 at 11:17 pm

If anyone stands up to be counted it is Debbie.

She has risked her personal safety by going under cover to hear Islamofacists. She gets death threats (Some of which have been prosecuted).

I_AM_ME on November 16, 2009 at 11:50 pm

From what I recall, Pamela is another of a seemingly long list of “Palinmessiahs,” going on about how every time Sarah Palin opens her mouth, the “leftopaths” go into occlusions and palpitations, etc., et al. So I guess in that context, that she would have invited this Said character to this Rifqa rally would not be all that surprising.

ConcernedPatriot on November 17, 2009 at 12:13 am

I_AM – yes Debbie did undercover work documenting how extreme Islam is by attending a mosque in disguise. What she saw and heard there was – and is – very different from the “fuzzy” picture peddled by the media. It was a lot of stuff you won’t hear or read about because it doesn’t comport with the politically correct perception of Islam.

NormanF on November 17, 2009 at 11:43 am

I’ve been reading Debbie’s work for over a decade, she is a lioness and a prophetess. Where were Spencer and Geller before 9/11? I smell opportunists, and this entire fiasco reveals their true colors.

Steve Smithers on November 17, 2009 at 12:36 pm

GOD BLESS YOU DEBBIE, You are the only one to trust for the correct news. It is not a question of people making mistakes or not being “perfect.” It is a question of morality to invite someone who has colluded in the death of their children. I do no presume to know Ms. Geller. She has, in the past, worked tirelessly to expose the horrors of a false God and pseudo-religion of terror, so I cannot fault her for that. She and Mr. Spencer certainly know enough people who can eloquently speak on the topic of Honor Killings. Why not get Debbie or Phyllis Chesler for that matter. I don’t think a book deal matters, although in order to promote it, she will have to do mainstream so-called Right wing news shows, like Hannity. She is very attractive and that certainly doesn’t hurt.

So, who can we trust in a fallible world, Debbie? Seems like we are all corruptable….
God Bless you, Debbie

Moodsformoderns on November 17, 2009 at 12:44 pm

Reading this post I had a couple of thoughts. (I also read the entire Dallas newspaper article you linked – thanks, Debbie.) My first thought is that this woman, Patricia, is obviously one of those pathetic loser American women who get sucked into the clutches of Muslim men because they have no self-esteem. then they live their lives being abused, demeaned and controlled by these men, who only married them to stay in the United States. I know Debbie has written about this in the past, and I personally know several women who also fell into this trap.

If you know a woman who has taken up with a Muslim man who professes to be madly in love with her (after knowing her for a few days or weeks) tell her to RUN!!!! Of course, we did that with our friends and they married the bums anyway. Now they wear the hijab.

My second thought after reading the Dallas article is “Why wasn’t the mother arrested as an accomplice?” She delivered her daughters to what she must have known would be their execution! The daughters certainly knew! She is either legally an accomplice or an accessory after the fact, and probably helped the husband escape back to Egypt. What a pathetic, stupid woman…

DG in GA on November 17, 2009 at 1:17 pm

Let’s be frank: Pamela Geller jumped on the Rifqa bandwagon because she saw an opportunity to get in front of the cameras. Pamela is in this for Pamela, not Rifqa. She would readily throw Rifqa under the bus if she thought she could get more facetime on Fox News.

And Robert Spencer’s shameful behavior in all this raises questions of its own. He’s the one who published Andy Bostom’s attack on Rifqa’s attorney, John Stemberger, and Tom Trento of the Florida Security Council. These two guys did exponentially more to ACTUALLY help Rifqa than anything Pamela or Robert did. They showed up in Orlando, barged in on Trento’s press conference, and turned the whole thing into a side show. That was the beginning of the end of Rifqa’s case in Florida. Exactly when the case needed to focus on the aspects of the case, Pamela and Robert show up unannounced with their three-ring circus and take the public’s attention off the very points that needed to be made at that time.

And isn’t Robert’s constant running-around with Pamela, and playing her puppy dog a bit unseemly for a married man?

If Rifqa is ever returned to her family, she undoubtedly will be sent back to Sri Lanka. Should that happen, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer will bear partial responsibility for that happening. So its hardly surprising to see Pamela involved in such outright deception in this case. Thanks, Debbie, for blowing the whistle.

Eyewitness on November 17, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    “And isn’t Robert’s constant running-around with Pamela, and playing her puppy dog a bit unseemly for a married man?”

    Wow, Eyewitness, that’s a low blow. Were you “eyewitness” to some hanky panky going on between the two as you insinuate. Perhaps, as DS says, it’s “business” on Spencer’s part since Atlas is now a more popular website than his JihadWatch.

    jayeeegee on November 17, 2009 at 10:00 pm

One thing in all of this that, to me, is missing: I find much sympathy from others for the young girl Bary, but few are asking the question, “Why are these people even here in the US?” In a saner world these folks would have been recognized as trouble makers, and never allowed into the country. Not much can be done about their presence now (I’m guessing they are American citizens?), but the lesson for us is clear. Muslim immigration does no one much good, and simply exacerbates an existing problem. As long as we embrace unrestricted (or minimally restricted) Third World Muslim immigration, expect more and more of this.

Michael on November 17, 2009 at 5:07 pm

    According to Geller they aren’t citizens. They supposedly went to the US to seek medical treatment for Rifqa when she was small because of an eye injury which PG doesn’t believe was the “accident” they claim. At the time, Mohammed Bary was a precious gems merchant and showed considerable assets and income. His wife also has a business hand embellishing bridal veils which can’t be cheap. The Barys, again all this is from Atlas Shrugs, Have claimed approx. a quarter million income a year for Mohammed’s business.

    The items shown in his catalog are average quality however, Sri Lanka is the center for the highest quality colored stones so it’s probably that he is dealing in those under the counter. My opinion.

    Atlas again – The Florida judge originally demanded the immigration documents before he released Rifqa to Ohio. According to PG they were not produced, at least not publicly so what really happened?

    The problem now is if they are deported, Rifqa, as a minor, goes with them. If she can be kept alive until she reaches 18, she can request asylum as an adult and the parents can then be deported or jailed as illegals. Again my opinion.

    This whole thing is very disturbing because a woman with PG’s savvy should have know that even if her behavior was the best and most ethical a journalist could muster, her involvement would provide fodder for this becoming a media circus with no good outcome for the girl.

    mK750 on November 18, 2009 at 4:28 am

Pamela Geller has turned into a fraud and a liar over the past couple of years in what appears to be pressure to keep up her blog traffic.

I had written over 400 articles on terrorsim about groups like Al-Muhajiroun to the Said Girls Murder and submitted them to Pamela Geller between 2006 and 2008 she posted almost all of them and sometimes gave me credit as the author and sometimes she forgot. See “ATLAS EXCLUSIVE: “HONOR” KILLER YASER SAID HAS TIES TO AL QAEDA” By Pamela Geller and Bill Warner, WBI.

Everything Debbie S. writes in her expose of Pamela Geller is correct, I regret any association with Pamela Geller.

bill Warner

Bill Warner on November 17, 2009 at 6:23 pm

guess some people don’t get it. Debbie tried to handle this privately but was ignored. Then they attack her because the murderer did not speak at the event. That is because Debbie went public and drew attention to it, they didn’t remove her till Sunday, one day before the event. Thanks to Debbie.

Now we have to wonder why Pam wanted her there in the first place? Was it to add controversy to help her future book? Now we have to look at all her motivation now that she has a big book deal. This kind of taints her actions, is it for Rifqa or is it for Pam and Robert.

just like I wonder why they had to pay the speakers to be there? If they were so concerned about the girl wouldn’t they have shown up and spoke for free? After all the supporters showed up for free. Is this going to become a money circus for people to cash in? Now we have to look even more closley to what and who is involved.

Keep up the great work Debbie.

ender on November 17, 2009 at 8:09 pm

OK, I’ll leave my two cents as a reader of both DS and AS. Like DS, huh?! why would PG invite her? She writes about the horrors of Islam and knows the case. Why won’t she reply to DS with a valid question then reply on the story like that? But, I will still read AS — I like the site for the pure emotion and info. DS has a much different, deliberative style which I also like. I am happy that DS called PG on this and I hope that we can all see how ridiculous it was. Hopefully PG will admit her mistake, move on and not do it again. I still like you both and encourage you to keep writing!

Jennifer on November 17, 2009 at 11:30 pm

So it seems that Pamela has now shown up as “WrongIdeas” sockpuppet. Nice shift from third to first person there, Pamela.

It isn’t exactly clear that Pamela or Robert have done anything than media whore this issue. Were they intimately involved in the legal defense of Rifqa? No. Instead, Pamela has Robert and Andy Bostom attack Rifqa’s actual attorney, John Stemberger. Where they involved in the political effort to keep Rifqa in Florida? No. That was Tom Trento of the Florida Security Council working behind the scenes, who the Pamela crew have also publicly attacked. Are they working with Rifqa’s Ohio legal defense team? No. Had they been they would have been aware much sooner that the dependency charges had been dropped and the hearing rescheduled. Are they working with the activists in Ohio working behind the scenes on Rifqa’s behalf? No. In fact, every single speaker at their “protest” was from out of town.

Instead, Pamela and Robert hurt Rifqa’s cause considerably when they showed up in Orlando — unannounced — and barged their way into Tom Trento’s press conference and created the media side show that the media had been hoping for. Instead of changing the focus from honor killings to the actual facts of Rifqa’s case, which needed attention because the damaging FDLE report was about to be made public. Had they been involved with the actual defense of Rifqa they would have known this. Instead, they decide to bring the anti-jihad circus to town much as they did in Columbus earlier this week.

Does any of this have anything to do with Rifqa? No. It has everything to do with Pamela’s unquenchable need to be an media whore.

Now Pamela is trying to float the story that everybody was screaming “where’s the mother”? What BS. We know exactly where the mother was and what she did. Pamela said so herself.

Yes, Pamela THE “NEED” TO BE IN “CHARGE” IS WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEM HERE! Just not in the way you intend it. Perhaps you need to look in the mirror before attacking Debbie for calling you on your shameful behavior.


Eyewitness on November 18, 2009 at 11:14 am

Is this arguement about helpng rifqa or is it about gail gartrell losing her spotlight!! Gail is not the only one of the aunts who has helped in the case of the Said sisters’ murder she is the only one who has stated over and over again that she was the first to call it an honor killing which she was NOT!!! Gail has been threatend by the brother of Amina and Sarah. Has anyone read what Gail has said about him, He is grieving the loss of his faily and his life and to be called a retard and a murderer was all he could take.Gail talks so horible about Tissie marrying a man 15 yrs older than her while she was only 15 when in fact Gail’s husband is the one who married them and gail herself and her daughters were in the wedding party. Ms Gartrll do you only have morals when it suits you? Gail has done many interviews and loves to be in the spotlight I only have one question was the rally to save the life of a young girl or was it way for gail to get on TV again? Tissie was really only trying to stop another murder,What is your motive for all the bashing e-mails? Also you have a terminally Ill husband who is dying when Tissie called you to check on him why did you cry and tell tissie how proud you are of her and how much you love her,again wanting the spotlight what do you really want Ms gartrell an award just let us know where to send it if it will shut you up !GAIL GARTELL LOVES THE SPOTLIGHT AND WILL FIGHT TO KEEP IT!

Sick of gail gartrell on November 18, 2009 at 11:25 am

Sounds like Pamela was sick of Gail Gartrell getting the spotlight.

Eyewitness on November 18, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Spencer’s first comment (12/16/09 5:28 pm) exemplifies a common and frequent ploy he “retails”, and the subsequent comment by a supporter (“Drekken”, and typical of Spencer supporters) echoes this ploy.

And that ploy is that whenever anyone criticizes Spencer (or now it’s Spencer & Geller), Spencer pulls out the “but we are doing important work” card, which in effect attempts to put the blame on the critic — no matter what his substantive criticism may be — for “enabling” the forces who are attacking the anti-Islam movement.

Effectively, this puts Spencer and Geller beyond criticism, for any substantive criticism levelled their way becomes automatically identified with an “attack” that “enables” the enemy.

This is at best an unhealthy way for an organization or movement to conduct itself, and at worst is a recipe for the development of irrational demagoguery — and somewhere in between best and worst here is the fact that there may be certain issues that should be adjudicated out in the air and sunshine of public discussion because they may affect the ongoing progress of the anti-Islam movement in which everyone — illustrious book-publishing quasi-leaders and shabby civilians alike — have an exigent stake.

The position effectively taken in this regard by Spencer and his supporters — i.e., we are to trust our quasi-leaders in deciding what’s best for us and in deciding what thorny internal disputes should be aired out in the sunshine of public discussion (so far only one has been aired out in full — the Charles Johnson Catastrophe) — similarly reflects an attitude unhealthy for the movement.

Hesperado on May 10, 2010 at 12:39 pm

Wow…I missed much of this when it allwent down and can’t recall why iwas MIA.

Debbie stands out as the real deal–and sadly PG and RS are shown for complicit cronies in opportunistic omission of principles here.

Shy Goy on June 15, 2010 at 8:33 pm

“200,000 Islamists marched in large rallies in Bangladesh to press the govt to enact hardline sharia law which critics have described as on par with the Taliban and their legal system”

I think that got about 2 minutes of coverage on TV.
It was called a “clash of values”.
They didn’t really spend too much time what the value clash was.
Few reticent shots of riot police looking intimidating.
Nothing else to report here.

In France there are “751 Sensitive Urban Zones”.
These are actually Islamic no go zones meaning that the police are afraid to go there.

Frankz on May 7, 2013 at 11:37 pm

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