December 10, 2009, - 10:28 am

More Homegrown Terrorists: But, Hey, Aren’t US Muslims “Moderate”?

By Debbie Schlussel

As I’ve noted over and over again, ever since 9/11 and the mass murder of nearly 3,000 Americans by 19 Muslim men, we’ve been lectured by everyone, from President Bush to the vast American left to Sean Vannity and Glenn Beck, that only foreign Muslims are extremist, that only they are the ones who commit terrorist acts because they are impoverished, uneducated, and don’t have “the economic opportunities” that American Muslims have.  We’ve been told that these American Muslims are “moderate” because they have those things.  French journalist Bernard-Henri Levy visited Dearbornistan and wrote a whole book declaring how moderate the Muslims in America’s Hezbollahstan are because of these “opportunities.”


And as I’ve always noted, this view is bunk.  It’s been proven to us, time and again.  American Muslims are no different than Muslims in the mountains and caves of Tora Bora, but for better plumbing.

In the past week alone, two different sets of Muslims were in the news for terrorist activity.  Yesterday, news broke of five American Muslims who were arrested in Pakistan for planning jihad.  They connected on Facebook.  They lived in the Washington, DC area, went missing, and one of them left behind a martyrdom farewell video.  One of the men, Ramy Zamzam, was a dental student at Howard University.  The others are Eman Yasir, Waqar Hasan, Umer Farooq and Khalid Farooq.  They’re the third set of American Muslims linked to Pakistan and involved in terrorist plots.

Earlier this week, more federal charges were brought against David Coleman Headley a/k/a Daood Gilani, the American-born and raised Muslim, whose mother was a Philadelphia socialite, because it came to light that Mr. Headley/Gilani was the scout for the Mumbai Islamic terrorist attacks of last year.  Yup, he helped pick out the hotels AND the Chabad Jewish Center and put them on deck for the bloody murders that ultimately took place.  I wrote about Mr. Headley/Gilani and his employment at a Chicago-area Islamic halal slaughter plant on this site.

Now, CAIR is predictably sticking its ugly nose into this.  If we’re lucky, Hillary Clinton and the State Department will not force the Pakis to send these five Americans here, where they will have the ACLU, CAIR, and a bunch of sleazy lawyers getting them mistrials and acquittals by O.J.-style and Moussaoui-style juries.  I really hope we will leave them to face justice in Pakistan, where they will actual be punished, probably tortured, and hopefully put to death.  But don’t hold your breath.  I wouldn’t be surprised if CAIR and Nihad Awad provide the escort service to bring them back to the United States of Islamerica.

There are more and more of these cases, of American Muslims plotting terror, there AND here.  And yet, for some reason, far too many blind Americans continue to see no danger in the Islamic communities on our own soil.  These two sets plotted attacks over there.  Do you really believe there’s anything keeping them from plotting similar attacks here?  Think again.


The five American young men detained in Pakistan had come to the country for jihad, local authorities revealed Thursday, and had planned a big attack.

News this week of the Americans caught in the town of Sargodha, in the center of the Punjab province, will fuel concerns that Pakistan is a magnetic draw for extremists across the world. The men were reported missing by their families back home last month. It was the third recent case of a terrorist plot involving U.S. citizens that is linked to Pakistan.

News reports have connected the five men to the banned Pakistani militant group Jaish-e-Mohammad, the outfit that British terror suspect Rashid Rauf belonged to, and which is implicated in the 2002 murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl. But Sargodha’s police chief, Usman Anwar, suggested to McClatchy that their link was to an even more radical outfit — which perhaps indicated al Qaida.

“It’s above Jaish. It’s something more serious than that,” said Anwar said, in a telephone interview, without specifying.

The detentions came to light on Wednesday but the men were taken into custody on Dec. 5, or earlier, having arrived in Pakistan on Nov. 30. Three of the men were of Pakistani origin, one of Egyptian parentage and one of Yemeni origin. One of the men, named by police as Umar Farouq had links to Sargodha and they were staying in a family home there. They are believed to be in their 20s, including a dental student from Howard University.

“They came to Pakistan for the specific purpose of doing jihad. Sargodha was a safe place for them, so that’s why they came here,” said Anwar. “They wanted to go to heaven, perhaps… I suppose having American citizens here doing jihad would have been a big blow for U.S. interests.”

Police seized literature, a computer with a hard disk “full” of material. According to reports, one of the men had made a video which he had left for his family where he explained that he had left home to “defend Islam.” . . .

Sargodha contains a Pakistan Air Force base, which is associated with the country’s nuclear program and has twice been the intended target of attacks by extremists but police believe the presence of the men in the town may have been coincidental.

“One of the possibilities (is the Air Force base) but I really don’t think so. The attack was something more acute and bigger,” said Anwar. . . .

Pakistani law enforcement officers had “continuously tracked” the men from the moment they arrived last month at Karachi international airport, and all carried U.S. passports, a Pakistani official, who could not be identified as he was not authorized to discuss the case with the press, told McClatchy Wednesday.

Yes, American Muslims are no more moderate, no less savage and extremist than their fellow co-religionists anywhere in the world, including the Bin Laden clan.

Just like Nidal Malik Hasan, the Fort Hood Massacre Islamic terrorist, they’re given every opportunity–educational, economic, and otherwise–in the greatest country in the world.  And something else reigns supreme:  the Islamic call to murder others.

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29 Responses

How unfortunate for the jihadists that they will have to deal with a justice system outside the U.S. Throw the book at them!!!

Joe on December 10, 2009 at 10:36 am

If the media would provide the type of coverage these trials deserver I would be in favor of having some of these trials here in the US.

Yes, we could have “…the ACLU, CAIR, and a bunch of sleazy lawyers getting them mistrials and acquittals by O.J.-style and Moussaoui-style juries.”. That part would stink, and it is why I only want a small number of them here.

However with the proper media attention I think enough people might wake up to the realities of Islam in America that Debbie writes about to educate her readers. Then politicians might be forced to shed their greed and political correctness and will take the necessary steps to protect us from these domestic barbarians.

Otherwise 9/11 is going to seem like a day at the beach.

I_AM_ME on December 10, 2009 at 11:15 am

    I_AM_ME – you really need to rethink your position on giving these terrorists a civilian trial. There are way to many reasons why we should not do that, but it would take me hours to explain. Here are just a couple:

    1) No amount of security will keep terrorists from creating a disaster in the location of the court room. Remember, they all want their 72 virgins.

    2) Who are the people who will sit on the jury? Remember, KSM deserves a jury of his PEERS in a civilian trial. How will we ba able to find his peers unless we go to the battlefields in Iraq or Afghanistan?

    3) It is quite obvious that the rules of a true U.S. civilian jury trial will need to be changed to accomodate them. This is just another thing we don’t need – lawyers, judges and politicians rewriting our jury trial proceedings and laws to be more PC and inclusive (stupid) of muslims (aka terrorists).

    4) What happens if these ragheads are acquitted? Do we just let them roam the streets in the U.S.?

    All of these Gitmo ragheads should never even have a trial, either by the military or our civilian courts. Once we are certain we cannot get any more intel out of them we should send them all to Allah. This is what they want, anyway. We would just be helping them along to their fiery eternal afterlife.

    Jarhead on December 10, 2009 at 11:49 am

They actually are muslims living in America, not Americans.

Carolyn on December 10, 2009 at 11:27 am

Its ironic the Muslim World deals harshly with terrorists striking against their regimes while we dhimmis are just soo understanding that we invite them here and allow them to plot mass murder against Americans and lend their presence to the overthrow of the hated Great Satan. Those who delude us that they’re “moderate” and assimilated into America have already forgotten about Nidal Malik Hasan. Talk about the blind leading the blind. As long as we’re led by them – we will never overcome the clear and present danger that Islam poses to our country both at home and abroad.

NormanF on December 10, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Debbie, please fix your (Grand)son of Jimmuh thread. Its returning a database error and can’t be loaded in the browser.


NormanF on December 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm

Jarhead – I agree 100% with all your points. They are absolutely correct. That is why I only advocate this for a small number of trials.

However due to greed, political correctness and stupidity our politicians are not protecting us. Unless the American people force them to protect us they are not going to change.

The American people need to wake up and force our political leaders to change and stop ignoring the threat from these barbarians. I don’t know what else will bring this about, short of more terrorist attacks, then to have some public trials. That said, I am not optimistic that the media will do their job in such a case, but I have run out of ideas to try.

I_AM_ME on December 10, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Yup, another impoverished dental student….a true dead-end kid….tempted by jihad. Bring in the socialogists, commission a study, quick!

Not Ovenready on December 10, 2009 at 1:06 pm

These Muslim barbarians were from right here in Northern Virginia, just right across the river from Washington. I wonder what schools they attended.

Also, the PC Washington Post has a map of Pakistan with the caption “Five Virginia men arrested.” Yes, the average “Virginian” is over in Pakistan doing jihad.

Then you have our completely clueless government officials in the article that are denying that there was any terror intent. Also, in the article is a barbarian mother of one of the Muslims arrested demanding that we have sympathy for HER, even though her son that she raised as a typical Muslim is plotting to kill Americans.

JM on December 10, 2009 at 1:07 pm

Debbie says, “I wrote about Mr. Headley/Gilani and his employment at a Chicago-area Islamic halal slaughter plant on this site.”

To your first post on that, I made the following comment…

“The attacks were to be “modeled” on the November 2008 assault in Mumbai and the attacks on police centers in Lahore and the Pakistani Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi this month, the official said.”

…with Abdalians involved?

yonason on October 28, 2009 at 2:38 pm”

The likelihood that there was a connection seemed like such a good bet at the time that I was afraid they might miss or ignore it, as they so often do. Thankfully they didn’t.

yonason on December 10, 2009 at 1:15 pm

By the way, a ‘jury of one’s peers’ simply means that the people on the jury are equal before the law to the defendant. Courts say that the available pool of jurors (but not the final set of jurors) must “include a broad spectrum of the population, particularly of race, national origin and gender. Jury selection may include no process which excludes those of a particular race or intentionally narrows the spectrum of possible jurors. It does not mean that women are to be tried by women, Asians by Asians, or African Americans by African Americans.”

You get a problem, of course, with muslims on a jury where a muslim is tried by a non-sharia system, the same way you get a problem with an african-american on a jury where an african-american is being tried. That’s what voir dire is for.

luagha on December 10, 2009 at 2:53 pm

“It’s been proven to us, time and again. American Muslims are no different than Muslims in the mountains and caves of Tora Bora, but for better plumbing.”

“They actually are muslims living in America, not Americans.”

Both of you are vile bigots. The worst that America has to offer.

You make me sick.

J: Well, you definitely are sick. Head-in-sand disease is a very serious illness. I hope you cure yourself soon. DS

jharp on December 10, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    Jharp you say “Both of you are vile bigots. The worst that America has to offer.

    You make me sick.”

    You certianly are entitled to be an idiot and think that. Matter of fact here in America you have the right to Freedom of Speech & Freedom of Expression. But your weak ass personal attack on Debbie and her readers opens up a new can of worms that you do not expect. The can of worms is that since you attack us we now have every right to attack you right back.

    I would love to be the fly on the wall when your dhimmi additude comes to haunt you and more to the point ends up cutting off your worthless head by the hands of a smelly, snaggled toothed koranimal. Dumbass liberals like you are the ones who really do deserve to become the collateral damage in the Global War on Terror. Since you refuse to be honest and see the threat of Jihad for what it really is and would rather defend at any cost those Jihadists who would kill you then it is simple. JHARP YOU DESERVE to become the victim of a Jihadist.
    Assholes like you were the same assholes who came running to the defense of Hassan the Ft. Hood Jihadist. You as well as all Americans DO understand the threat of Islam. Only in your case you have openly decided to allign your worthless ass to the enemy rather then be a patriotic American.

    Is my stance harsh? Am I being just a little too mean in hoping that you suffer by the hands of Jihadists just because you refuse to be honest in debate when it comes to the subject of terrorism and Islam? I don’t think so and here is my justification. I personally lost close friends of mine to IED’s, insurgent/terrorist attacks and those great American heros paid the ultimate price defending the United States. The same United States that you sit at your computer bashing and attacking. Those close friends I lost before my eyes are better human beings onehundred fold over you and your liberal PC obsessed trolls. As for the past 200+ years in our countries history it is not you liberal scum that has ever been remembered, it is the brave American Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine & Coastie that are remembered as the heros and real Americans that they are.
    In the annals of history traitors like Jharp are just counted as the cowards and fools.

    While not all Muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are Muslims. Islam and its teachings ARE the reason for the terrorism. Since 12 Sep 01 to today there have been over 14,400 seperate ISLAMIC terrorist attackes with many more murdered. Yet all the while the liberals stick their heads in the sand and ignore all the death and gore brought to the world by the hands of devout Muslims.

    If I believed in a hell I would certianly want you in it Jharp. But since I’m an Atheist all I can do is wish you the worst in your miserable life.

    OEF & OIF Navy Combat Veteran on December 11, 2009 at 4:49 pm

Debbie you have been reporting this for years and just like all other issues regarding Muslims the MSM is behind for years. I am surprised their are now some in the MSM who are actually paying attention. I guess after a year after Obama’s election they thought the jihad would go away. It has only grown and has always grown.

As for the conservatives like Hannity, Beck and Bush, they wanted to be politically castrated. Yes they claimed it was all a foreign jihad.

Again it should be repeated. To truly love America is to truly hate Islam. America is freedom. Islam is repression. We love freedom and hate repression. No Islmamic theology. Their Koran calls for all lands to be under the Koran.

CaliforniaScreaming on December 10, 2009 at 4:52 pm

ONe of the truly idiotic notions is that if totalitarians, fascists, communists, etc. gain more prosperity, they will moderate their views. It is one of the main arguments of apologists for China, and the corollary is that people have bizarre or anti-American views because they are poor. Of course socialists like those we are plagued with in the Democratic Party, and to a significant extent in the Republican Party accept this lunacy, and use it as a basis for robbing the productive people to give to the loafers.

Little Al on December 10, 2009 at 5:23 pm

Little Al, Debbie would like to be wrong about Muslims not assimilating into America. We’d all be happy to see it happen. But the fact other groups have done so successfully hasn’t seen Muslims follow that same pattern. In other words for every rule, there’s an exception. A Green one or halal one, if you like. Facts are stubborn things and since we can’t seem to get them to become American, we really need to keep more of them from arriving on these shores.

NormanF on December 10, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Norman F — You definitely have a point in alluding to the fact that the vast majority of Muslims in this country deliberately avoid assimilation; they certainly do not want their members “tainted” by infidels — so, that makes sense from their narrow view. God forbid their children should learn to espouse Western ways, and even, HORRORS!, make friends with, or even marry, an infidel.
    JHarp — If you believe totally in embracing persons who follow these questionable religious beliefs, do as I did. Feeling it my Christian duty following the 9/11 atrocities perpetrated on our fellow Americans, I agreed to serve as a facilitator for an inter-faith (Jewish, Christian and Muslim)discussion group promoting understanding among religions. While I did meet several very nice Muslim people, most of the others made my Christian colleague and I feel extremely uncomfortable. Most looked at us in a hostile manner and avoided having any interaction with us or the Jewish members. I have to admit, too, that the Chair, who was Jewish, also made us feel uncomfortable in a different way — he was so condescending toward our “pitiful, misguided” Catholicism that we both found it difficult not to vent our anger. Since I have had many Jewish friends, both orthodox and reformed, and since the Chair’s colleagues did not act as he did, I know that his patronizing attitude is not universal. The hostility from the Muslims, however, when we visited several mosques was blatant in many cases. The few who were friendly seemed to be native-born Americans and wore westernized garb.
    Sorry, JHarp, but the fact that most Muslims deliberately avoid assimilation is the basis for distrust and whatever “racial profiling” takes place. These people set themselves apart, and then complain that they are treated “differently.” Duh! It might also be due to the fact that the 9/11 mass murder wasn’t committed by blonde, blue-eyed Irish/Swedish grandmothers such as I. Those unholy 19 were MUSLIM; the vicious bombers in London, Edenburgh and Madrid weren’t Anglo-Saxon, Scottish or Spanish, but MUSLIM. The monster who slaughtered his fellow military men and women at Fort Hood was MUSLIM — an ungrateful American who used the Army to obtain a free medical degree and then refused to fulfill his agreed-upon obligations. Those are MUSLIMS who speak so vilely on Al-Jazeera about the “American devil” and exhort their fellow warped, radical, rabid MUSLIMS to kill as many westerners as possible(read American and British – the rest of Europe seems to appease their MUSLIM residents).
    Unfortunately, the current occupant of the White House and his cohorts bow down not only to Arab princes and Japanese emperors, but to the Islamic faith as well. During World War II, France got the “collaborator” government in Vichy. That seems to be the path our country is currently traveling with the Obama circus train.
    Please take off the rose-colored glasses, JHarp, and face reality. Bleeding hearts such as yours erode the security of our country!

    Been there, done that on December 13, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Harp,, one day you will wake up out of your libtard induced stuppor and see the world for what is is,, not what you wish it is. Unfortunately for you it will take a 9/11 or Belsan or worse to make you see not all cultures are equal.
muzzy savages do not have any rights, period! and to give them any rights makes a mockery of our system, laws and rights.
If you are going to defeat these muzzy savages it is quite simple, identify and hunt them down like the vermin they are, remember we have more bullets than they have bodies and use liberaly. See so simple a caveman can do it. I know the libs that visit here will have a case of the vapors, but then again ya just can’t fix stupid.

Drakken on December 10, 2009 at 6:54 pm

jharp – since you want to show us how nice the muzzies in America are, why don’t you take a few long flights in a very large aircraft full of fuel where at least 25% of the plane is middle eastern muzzies. Go have fun interviewing these peace lovers. And don’t forget to bring a lot of pork rinds, I hear they like that stuff.

Jarhead on December 10, 2009 at 7:09 pm

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Martin Fee on December 11, 2009 at 8:03 am

When is someone going to tell these Muslim’s they’ve been lied to? There are no virgins waiting for them in Paradise! God (Jehovah)is a loving God that does not use killing, someone else, to get to Paradise! Only Satan would foist this on to a brainwashed people. Belief is a personal choice, not something that is forced on you by threat of beheading or torture!
The father of lies, Satan, has sure buffaloed a huge group of people. If threats and torture were not used, how many do you think would choose such a belief that in custom made for chauvinistic men? In their twisted thinking, the man is everything and everyone else expendable for the man’s pleasure.
I’m sure there are thousands of trapped women in American Muslim homes who are ready accept the truth, but they know the truth will get them killed…
With the Muslim president, we now have in America, the truth is even harder to spread. Debbie, you are a ‘shining beacon on a hill’ that is cutting through the crap and telling it like it is. It’s so hard to get the attention of hard headed selfish American’s. If death is not standing right in front of them, or taking away a loved one, they don’t see it.

Huffer on December 11, 2009 at 8:37 am

Having just heard Obambam’s stuttering, “ah, ah…” apologetic
explaination for the motives of the 5 punks arrested in Pakistan, blaming it on the internet and the extremist websites, etc., I am convinced this guy can’t operate without
a teleprompter. Nevertheless some of my liberal friends think he is a very intelligent fellow. They see something I’m missing.

As for the usual rap on Glenn Beck and Sean, I don’t watch Sean that much, but I do see Beck quite often and I don’t remember either one of them spout the inane idea that only foreign born Muslims are a threat to our nation. Obviously
we have been hit by domestic jihadists, whether it was the beltway sniper, the jihadist shrink down at Fort Hood, the
punk who converted in prison and shot the Army recruiter, and
too many others to cite.

Sure, Bush wanted to cultivate a more moderate culture of Islam
and made some big mistakes. Having spent a couple of years in Morocco I can say that all Muslims are not intrinsically bent on our destruction. Let’s not round them all up yet, okay?

Daniel on December 11, 2009 at 9:51 am

My son, who is Jewish, has several Moslem friends. However, they are NON OBSERVANT and do not attend a mosque. I think that is a big thing. I also know a Pakistani woman who is pro Israel and very liberal – also does not attend a mosque here because “they are crazy”. A friend of mine has Moslem students from Bangladesh and Pakistan. They say vile things about Jews and Israel and he tries – too gently – to straighten them out. One of them even tried to convert him to the “Religion of Peace”. I have warned him not to let them know about his sexual proclivities because you do not know which one of them will be set off and go do an “honor killing”. A sick culture! And of course, very tolerant of “infidels”. I have noticed in my own very mixed neighborhood that people feel free to make anti-Semitic comments without fear of retaliation. Again, my child, whom I have nicknamed “Bear Jew” (from Inglorious Batards) has spoken up. Scary what is going on.

JulieJ on December 11, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Well, the connections that Debbie continually points out here are all lined up with these guys. Former President of the Howard U MAS council? Zamzam– check. Attendance at Saudi-funded mosques and educational facilities? Check. The King Street Mosque (I’m not going to use the name I don’t want to know and can’t spell anyway) is a constant hotbed of political islam– ie, the “radicalizing” kind.

Look at the arrests for terror activities since 2001– the proportion of muslims to the general population and their representation in those arrests is very close to 100%. The “christian”, most anti-abortion terrorists arrested/convicted can be numbered on one hand. There are many many more muslims involved in criminal and terror activities. At a significantly high proportion of the population.

Failure to see and address this is going to get people killed.

dahozho on December 11, 2009 at 1:53 pm

The Moslem Student Association has been a hotbed of radicalization for years. They should be driven off college campuses.

JulieJ on December 11, 2009 at 3:09 pm

Again, my comment was apparently misunderstood — this is the second time.

Little Al on December 11, 2009 at 7:00 pm

I just love it when a woman (a lawyer and a future mother) says
“they will actual be punished, probably tortured, and hopefully put to death” , but I absolutly hate it when some barbarians send her emails hoping the exact same thing.Remember as Debbie always says :”the only good Indian er..muslem is a dead muslem.

john john on December 12, 2009 at 2:59 am

Show me a moderate muslim and I’ll show you an albino unicorn.

Charles Letour on January 13, 2011 at 11:03 am

According to “Jihad Watch” the “Moderate” and “Secular” Muslim Brotherhood painted as “not so bad” by some American media “scholars” “ahem”,recently took over a Mosque in Cairo and as their religious bretheren left they were exhorted to stay and support their brothers as they chanted “death to the Jews” “Support our bothers in Palestine” and “Jihad upon the Zionists and the U.S.” etc etc.
Just as I thought, the Saudi inspired Wahabi cancer has metastisized throughout the Middleast and Africa.
Debbie, a Kurdish engineer I know who is Muslim would like to see a nuclear bomb dropped on Mecca.
He knows Islam is the problem, it always was, we just did not pay attention to it and now we are confronted with those that want to die, living Zombies of Allah seeking nuclear bombs, U.S. and Canadian Visas. Not all Muzzies are terrorists, some have seen the light, but not the brainwashed since birth majority.

Ron Wolf on December 26, 2011 at 4:20 am

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