February 2, 2010, - 12:07 pm

Ashton Kutcher Disses Tim Tebow: Airhead Celeb Intolerance Quote of the Day

By Debbie Schlussel

I don’t want to hear what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion.

–“Actor” Ashton Kutcher on today’s episode of ABC anti-male hag-fest, “The View.”


Him vs. Him

Kutcher is, of course, referring to Tebow’s and Focus on the Family’s Superbowl ad, discussing how Tebow wouldn’t be here if his mother had gotten an abortion as doctors recommended. Tebow is a Heisman Trophy winner, and expected to be a top pick in this year’s NFL draft.

Memo to Ashton Kutcher (who hasn’t been in a good movie since . . . since . . . well, he’s never been in a good movie):

I don’t want to hear what some stupid, failed actor thinks about what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion.

Remember, this guy’s most, um,  “memorable” acting gig is “Dude, Where’s My Car?”  In his case, there needs to be a sequel, “Dude, Where’s My Brain?”

(In case you were wondering, airhead faux-conservative Elisabeth Hasselbeck remained silent and didn’t respond. Her talking points note cards didn’t tell her what to say, so per usual, she was clueless.)

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It’s remarkable how often pipsqueaks feel free to criticize their betters when surrounded by the similarly feeble-minded.

Tim Tebow won the Heisman because he proved his greatness as a college player on the field every weekend over the course of four years unlike a typical Hollywood playah who gets ahead… How? Good publicity? Sleeping with the right people? Taking off their clothes? Being a smartass?

Frankly, Tebow could pulverize Kutcher, but he wouldn’t. It’s cruel to punish the unemployed.

Dr. Thorne on February 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Tim Tebow throws a ball.

    How is this greatness?

    Ashton Kutcher puts as much effort into acting as Tebow has football.
    The only difference is Kutcher can do what he wants for a living; Tebow’s not going to make it in the NFL.

    SUPER MISTER CONSEVATIVE on February 3, 2010 at 9:17 pm

Why is the left so threatened by this proposed commercial? Is it because deep down they know the majority of Americans agree with Tebow and not with their leftist crusade to kill babies? I’m surprised that “The Spew” didn’t bring on Whoopi (I’ve had six abortions and I’m proud of it) Goldberg to give Ashton a little moral support.

As for Elizabeth Hasselbeck, the only reason this bimbo has a JOB is because she’s too stupid to argue effectively with the leftie witches on that show. She is an embarrassment to the right. Of course, Baba Wawa would never hire a smart conservative for the show, because that person (like a Laura Ingraham) would verbally pulverize the rest of these airheads.

DG: Faux-conservative Laura Ingraham (supports gay marriage, more funding for AIDS, outed gay students at Dartmouth, supports animal rights, against development and real estate construction, supports Bono, stalked her married ex-boyfriend and put a hose of water in his house) was on “The View.” They kicked her ass. DS

DG in GA on February 2, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I too do not care what Kutcher thinks, but calling people Bimbos and too stupid, is exactly the kind of rhetoric, that we all just despise about the left. We agree that she is ineffective, but disdain for her as a person is completely unnecesary to make the point. It isn’t her intellectual capacity that is lacking, really we are confusing hutzpah, for intelligence. She has just been beat up. She is not able to speak over Joy Behar and Whoopi. I really despise this development in debate where we appeal to the elitist in the audience by hurling the stupid word at people. When you call somebody stupid you are saying something really awful about them, and something really awful about yourself at the same time. Just saying.

    RB: You are new to this site and clearly clueless about the completely idiotic Elisabeth Hasselbeck, who outed a Federal Air Marshal, supports affirmative action and Title IX, openly said she admires Al Sharpton, agreed with Obama about the Cambridge police officer, and is just flat-out clueless about everything. Please think with the head on your neck and not the other one. She has NO intellectual capacity. That’s why she’s on that show. It says something really awful about you that you cannot face facts about this complete idiot, Elisabeth Hasselbeck. DS

    Ron Bryan on February 2, 2010 at 12:57 pm

[Tim Tebow won the Heisman because he proved his greatness as a college player on the field every weekend over the course of four years unlike a typical Hollywood playah who gets ahead
Dr. Thorne on February 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm]

WOW, being able to throw and catch a ball made out of pigskin entitles one to greatness? Dr. Thorne you definitely need a doctor to screw your head on right.

[DS:I don’t want to hear what some stupid, failed actor thinks about what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion.]

If that’s the case why give Kutcher any space here? Why do you still watch ‘The View’ if it’s such a crummy show in your opinion?

[DS:Memo to Ashton Kutcher (who hasn’t been in a good movie since . . . since . . . well, he’s never been in a good movie)]

The Butterfly Effect? I gave it a perfect rating at IMDB.

NB: Ashton Kutcher is free to pay $2.5 million for an ad, like Tebow and Focus on the Family did. I monitor “The View,” just as I monitor other such crap, so I can expose it on this site. Hellooooo . . . ? DS

Norman Blitzer on February 2, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    I can’t take anything serious that you say, now that I know you gave the butterfly effect a perfect rating. He’s just a pretty boy who stretched his 15 minutes by marrying a has-been MILF.

    flinnie on February 2, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Hey Norm. If you had the capacity for more than superficial commentary you would know that people regard Tim as “great” more for his accomplishments off the field than on it. Football is just a pretext for fun conversation. Don’t get your panties in a wad because he is a successful and accomplished Christian and human being.

    I had a body like Tim’s when I was his age. Not! He benches 400lbs…

    JLin on February 2, 2010 at 3:00 pm

      What has Tebow accomplished?
      Some mission trips that every church group does?
      Some public speaking for a cause he didn’t understand?

      Look, I’ve personally met Tebow. Like, hanging out with friends. He went on a few dates with a friend of mine.
      He’s a weird dude, and he’s the proud owner of a completely empty head, covered with bad hair.

      SUPER MISTER CONSEVATIVE on February 3, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    reply to this post,the main thing i wanna say is first football is not made out of pig skin its made of leather.and wow really butterfly effect a perfect rating wow wow wow.ashton is a joke and will not be remembered in the long run

    [Tim Tebow won the Heisman because he proved his greatness as a college player on the field every weekend over the course of four years unlike a typical Hollywood playah who gets ahead
    Dr. Thorne on February 2, 2010 at 12:20 pm]

    WOW, being able to throw and catch a ball made out of pigskin entitles one to greatness? Dr. Thorne you definitely need a doctor to screw your head on right.

    [DS:I don’t want to hear what some stupid, failed actor thinks about what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion.]

    If that’s the case why give Kutcher any space here? Why do you still watch ‘The View’ if it’s such a crummy show in your opinion?

    [DS:Memo to Ashton Kutcher (who hasn’t been in a good movie since . . . since . . . well, he’s never been in a good movie)]

    The Butterfly Effect? I gave it a perfect rating at IMDB.

    bruce on February 2, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    Norman “Blitzed” (starting a little early in the day aren’t you, Norman?) can’t tell the difference between describing someone as displaying greatness as a college player (meaning, Norm, that he is great at playing college football) and displaying greatness as a human being, e.g. George Washington.

    As Ashton Kutcher, that “great” actor from “The Butterfly Effect”, would say, “Duh!”

    Dr. Thorne on February 3, 2010 at 11:51 am

[DS: Faux-conservative Laura Ingraham (supports gay marriage, more funding for AIDS, outed gay students at Dartmouth,]

So you disagree with Laura because she supports more funding for AIDS and 20 years ago she outed gay students? The two seem contradictory. You support a gay’s right to privacy but you don’t support more funding for AIDS… OK. I’m wouldn’t throw stones Debbie, I’m sure you’ve got your ass kicked in debates as well as kicking ass. People get better with practice over time.

NB: AIDS research gets way too much funding, compared with cancers and other illnesses who affect far more people, but don’t have the PC PR campaign that gays do. Longtime readers like you should know this, as I’ve said it before. Ingraham only changed her tune on gays when she learned her brother is gay and his boyfriend was dying of AIDS. She never apologized for outing gay college students to their parents, which is an appalling violation of privacy. What they do behind closed doors is their business. She is not a conservative, and admitted as much to her best friend, David Brock of Media Matters. She’s the author of an animal rights piece in USA Today, entitled, “The Scariest Animal Wears Pants.” Sorry, I don’t get my ass kicked. Never has happened. Never will. I know my stuff and I’m consistent in my beliefs and steadfast in my arguments. That isn’t the case with these two. Hasselbeck is constantly clueless and inept. She’s been on the show for 7 years, so when you say “people get better over time,” how much time do you give a complete idiot to become smart (something that simply ain’t possible)? DS

Norman Blitzer on February 2, 2010 at 1:07 pm

Elisabeth Hasselbeck and Ashton Kutcher would make a great couple. We should do everything possible to get these two together so they can both make asses out of themselves on the view announcing their relationship.

ScottyDog on February 2, 2010 at 1:13 pm

Ashton, my aging little boy-toy…. there is a viable chance that you will be aborted off the hot list soon… If ya’ can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
P.S. Ashton, my extraordinarily attractive 19 yr. old daughter & her friends think Tebow is the hottest & with an intelligent mind, no less! After all, what woman would want a man with a camera as opposed to one with a brain?

esther on February 2, 2010 at 1:18 pm

Well, now, The Guardian was actually pretty good; but that was more due to Kevin Costner than Ashton Kutcher.

As for his quote, who cares? Why is it everyone assumes men have nothing to contribute to the abortion debate? Especially a man who was very nearly the victim of abortion.

Stephen Monteith on February 2, 2010 at 2:13 pm

I’m not exactly sure that Mr. Tebow was almost a victim of abortion since his parents are Christian missionaries. Nevetheless, I think it’s a good thing that there having a pro-life advertisement for the superbowl. It works both ways since theres going to be a gay dating advertisement as well.

Matthew on February 2, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    And if not for their strong Christian upbringing, if not for the very ideals they’re promoting in this ad, then he certainly would have been a victim. You’re right; ads like this need to be aired.

    Stephen Monteith on February 2, 2010 at 2:34 pm

If Ashton Kutcher doesn’t want to hear about what Tim Teblow thinks about LIFE, not abortion, then Ashton Kuthcer should change the channel!!! That is what they are always telling us to do!!

okpatriot on February 2, 2010 at 2:35 pm

I’ve noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980

DVD Dan on February 2, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    And everybody against Alzheimers is already dead 😡

    SUPER MISTER CONSEVATIVE on February 3, 2010 at 9:21 pm

I just recently had a baby boy. The thing is that 3 of my doctors told me to abort because there was a huge chance that I would not make it through the pregnancy. There was also a good chance that he wouldn’t make it through. My doctor told me I was being selfish for going through with it. He told me I needed to talk to my husband (as if I hadn’t all ready done that). He told me it was not a moral decision…well, I believe everything in my life is a moral decision. Here we are 6 months later…I’m fine…he’s fine…and I pray that one day he will take the stance Tebow has taken without reservation!!!

Lynn on February 2, 2010 at 2:37 pm

He’s just jealoius that Tim Tebow is more known and more popular than he is. So what better way to show that jealoiusy by attacking him through the abortion issue?

Squirrel3D on February 2, 2010 at 2:53 pm

Tim Tebow could not have been aborted anyway. His parents lived in the Phillipines at the time and the country has outlawed abortion (under ALL circumstances) since 1930. Bet that won’t be mentioned in the commercial.

Lee in the US on February 2, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Lee darlin….it’s called a plane! It can get you from place to place, especially when you must get to the Doctors office….

    esther on February 2, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    It is irrelevant whether abortion was or is illegal, the Tebows had the financial means to travel elsewhere if abortion was the choice for them. They chose life because of their deep faith and trust in the Lord!

    Pamela on February 2, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Lee Honey,

    Just because it’s not legal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Smoking dope is illegal in alot of countries, but people still due it…get a clue. Evil finds a way.

    Stevie D on February 2, 2010 at 9:58 pm

1 more thing that bugs me!…a lot of people are saying that the Superbowl is a stupid place to place this ad….i think NOT!
American men have more compassion for life and the ability and pride to protect their family, mother and country. What betta place to have this beautiful message? I love American men!
Have a blast on Sunday and think about all the women that love you and provide the yummy food that day!

esther on February 2, 2010 at 3:21 pm

Top pick in the draft? Um, I don’t think so…

But that’s beside the point. The Choicers are the most anti-choice people on the planet. They want every kid aborted and they don’t want anyone to know what happens in an abortion.

This story in totality belies the notion that Leftist want abortion “rare.” They want as many abortions as possible… which is also why they oppose teaching abstinence… no pregnancies, no abortions, no income.

Michael on February 2, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    41 years next month, I gave birth to my third child.

    At 7PM , my OB-GYN “Doc” was called before we left for the hospital. He said he would meet us at the hospital . It was a mere 5 minutes from where both the “Doc” and I lived.

    Well, long story… 4 hours later, and still no “Doc”. The call went out on the hospital intercom for a any doctor STAT to the deliver room, both my hubby and I heard it. I was ready to deliver.

    Some cardiologist whom I had never met before delivered my boy. Close call though. The baby and that doctor entered the delivery room at almost the same time! I had a history of kidney problems while expecting and I thought it might have been better to have the ” Doc” who knew my history. Turned out, I was probably lucky NOT to have them there.

    Anyway the “Doc” who NEVER showed that night came into my room the next afternoon and wanted me to sign a birth certificate stating he had in fact delivered my baby and change the time of birth too! What a total jerk( fraud)! I refused and that as that.

    I heard other stories about this so called OB-GYN Doc over the next few years. Surgical tools and sponges left inside the patients after GYN surgeries, babies injured in delivery, DROPPED too, law suits and license problems.

    He was also a big “drinker”. My hubby and I even saw him drunk as a skunk at several upscale restaurants in our town for several years after that. Shall we say he also “squired” lots of ladies, even though he was married to a beautiful former model. Oh, he was a very active DEMOCRAT!!! HA! Oh, yeah, in on their all campaigns, every year!

    He was not quite the picture of a “pillar of the community” he should have been. He was just “well-to-do”!

    When, abortion became legal who do think opened the first abortion clinic in our area??? Why that same sorry good for nothing OB-GYN that failed to show up for my delivery.

    He is still in the “business” and now he is no londer merely “well-to-do”, why now he is quite wealthy with that great big Yacht and the mansion and all the cars….oo lala.

    All his riches are built on top of the bones of unborn babies and the failed morals and injured souls of their “moms” and “dads”.

    I am so glad he never got to the hospital that night to deliver my little boy. THANK YOU GOD!

    Sewsalot on February 2, 2010 at 5:22 pm

Again, my response if I were anywhere near these people would be. Just think Ashton, if your mother flushed you down the toilet, we would have been spared “Punked”, and all your liberal bullsh*t. If only Ashton and Joy were aborted, the world would be a much better place.

Why is it these people get sooooo rabid just because someone chooses life over death and has an inspiring story to tell? It makes no sense to me.

If they’re so adament about abortion, then they should all get together with the rest of their “B” actor friends and pay for an abortion ad, using themselves as the poster children for abortion.

perception of truth on February 2, 2010 at 3:55 pm

I liked Butterfly Effect.

That being said, Ashton Kutcher’s giving us more reason to believe that he’s more like Kelso from That 70s Show. Hey, Ash, you DO realize that Tebow’s stand comes from personal experience, right?

Richard on February 2, 2010 at 4:01 pm

Hey, remember the movie Alfie? Michael Caine, the totally self-centered s.o.b. has one moment of realization. It is after he has gotten his girlfriend to have an abortion and out of curiosity goes to see the ‘results’. For the one and only time in the movie he has tears in his eyes and is consumed with shame, “I didn’t know what I expected to see…it is this perfect little boy…and I killed it.”

Of course the crappy remake left that part out.

poetcomic1 on February 2, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “Alfie” was a wonderful movie!! I still remember it. Micheal Caine was a favorite of mine at the time. The man can act!! You are right the re-make was PC garbage.

    I think High school kids should see the original… it was “racy” too at the time. However, it had to be to get the story across.

    Sewsalot on February 2, 2010 at 5:30 pm

They should ask one of their other big heros, Jack Nicholson. They would have gotten a very different reponse.

Bob on February 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Jack Nicholson, whose mother had him at 16 and whose biological father has never been completely proven, told Cigar Aficionado once that he is against abortion but is pro-choice regarding others. He said it would be contradictory of him to personally support abortion considering his mother chose to have him rather than have an abortion.

    Richard on February 3, 2010 at 1:15 am

Focus on the Family has apparently entered a business agreement with CBS. I am sure CBS can run a disclaimer that states the commercial does not reflect the views of CBS. There are plenty of commercials that have subject matter not supported by all viewers.
As for Ashton Kutcher–he is not someone that I think people look to for advice. I don’t think anyine turned on The View seeking his wise opinion on this subject.
As for this commercial playing on Super Bowl Sunday, if you don’t think you will like the message in this commercial–go refill your drink, run to the bathroom, use the mute button…whatever.
Those that have so adamantly opposed this commercial—have helped to spread the story Pam Tebow’s choice.
Those of you that are objecting, are you “Pro-Choice” or Pro-Abortion?

Marcia Crise on February 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm

Tim Tebow is not only a great footfall player( GO GATORS!!) but here in North Florida we KNOW he is a fine gentleman with a good head on those big shoulders and a generous nature which he shows to those less fortunate than he and his family.

I know of his and his families’ charity and kindness from personal experience while working with various charities here in Florida.

Tim Tebow is a success and he gives God credit!!

Kutcher is such a sad creature and he is so jealous of that good young man Tim Tebow.

Kutcher has to have help in order to have a “career’ selling cameras. He has to have help from an ageing, bad actress who lives on money from her more successful X-hubby.

Kutcher yells at his neighbors like an idiot because they are making their house nicer than the playhouse his ageing actress has provided for him to frolic in with his girlfriend(s).

Sewsalot on February 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm

As far as Tim Tebow not going high in the draft…. he may not. Third or fourth round maybe. But I would not bet against his success. The team that gets him will be very happy whether he plays quarterback, fullback or special teams.

JLin on February 2, 2010 at 4:40 pm

Let’s put Ashton and Tebow in a cage match and see who is still talking and who is eating soup through a straw….

Johnny Boy on February 2, 2010 at 4:41 pm

It makes no sense to me either why pro-choicers are so opposed to hearing such an inspirational msg. Is it because she chose life? Why is bringing a life into +he world so horrible? Pam Tebow put her faith in God that everything would turn out ok. She asked God 4 a healthy baby and told him she would name him Timothy and that he would be a preacher and Glorify His name. That jus+ gives me chills! What an awesome testimony! I am so excited that millions will get to hear it. As for Ashton Kutcher, wha+ever dude, ur the one that doesn’t matter.

Sonya on February 2, 2010 at 5:06 pm

My son was born at 26 weeks gestation, a time in development when some babies are aborted. We allowed everything to be done that could be done to save his life. He is 17 now and is a high functioning autistic but I tell you that there are not many people on this earth (including me) with his purity of heart. Our world needs not only physical abilities to make society better but it also needs spiritual and emotional contributions. Sit back let the ad run and be thankful we have CHOICES. Don’t abort, if you don’t want the CHILD then give it to someone who does.

Erica Babin on February 2, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    God bless you and your family!!

    Sewsalot on February 2, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Erica –
    You are MY kind of people, you give me hope. You might like this:
    “The gift of life, God’s special gift is no less beautiful when it is accompanied by illness or weakness, hunger or poverty, mental or physical handicaps, loneliness or old age. Indeed, at these times, human life gains extra splendor as it requires our special care, concern and reverence. It is in and through the weakest of human vessels that the Lord continues to reveal the power of His love.”
    -Terence Cardinal Cooke

    poetcomic1 on February 2, 2010 at 6:08 pm

Note to Ashton Kutcher. Don’t you think it’s time to take a stand for what is right instead of what (you think) is popular? You want to be cool but you just made yourself look like a complete dufus. Thank you for that. It helps some of us know we won’t be watching anymore of your flicks until you mature. Thanks again.

Diane on February 2, 2010 at 6:00 pm

poetcomic1… thanks for tidbit about the original Alfie… I now want to see the original.

Over I million people follow Ashton Kutcher on Twitter.

Only an army of airheads would care about what Demi’s little toy does, or thinks, about anything…

As a Catholic, I don’t share Tim Tebow’s reductionist religious perspective but he lives true to his own lights, and does it with class, something we know Ashton will never have. And Tim’s message about abortion is bang on.

Christians have been letting pagans control the media for far too long.

Abortion. The morally bankrupt Pro-Choice crowd keeps trying to bury any talk of abortion, but they never will.

The Pro-Choice crowd have always been in the wrong, and somehow, they know it ~

The Canadien on February 2, 2010 at 6:41 pm

Debbie– are you kidding me? What kind of idiotic logic are you using?

Whether I agree with you politically or not, Tim Tebow– as an athlete– is no more qualified a political spokesman than an actor. That’s not to say he SHOULDN’T be a spokesman or have an opinion, but you bash Ashton Kutcher and discredit his opinion by claiming he’s a “stupid, failed” actor who “hasn’t been in a good movie since… well, he’s never been in a good movie,” then claim Tebow is qualified because he’s “a Heisman Trophy winner, and expected to be a top pick in this year’s NFL draft.”

Well, aside from the fact that you happen to agree with Tebow, his Heisman Trophy and athletic standing have NOTHING to do with qualifying his political views… just as Kutcher’s success or failure as an actor have nothing to do with HIS political views.

Would you be as supportive of a Heisman winner who DISAGREED with you? Does winning a Heisman somehow raise the validity of someone’s political opinion? Or would you dismiss a liberal Heisman-winner as a mere athlete who knows nothing of politics? And if Tebow turns out to be a failure in the NFL, will you then disavow his politics?

I don’t think so.

(And the truth is, Ashton Kutcher is hardly a “failed actor.” You don’t have to like his movies– and frankly, I don’t– but he’s still an A-list actor who commands huge fees, stars in blockbuster movies, and has a successful production company. Tim Tebow, on the other hand, is a COLLEGE STUDENT who has yet to prove himself as a professional ANYTHING.)

(Not to mention… say what you will about Kutcher’s personal life, but he IS a husband and stepfather, which certainly gives him a different perspective on parenthood and children than a 22-year-old student who’s never been married or a dad. I mean, if you really want to deconstruct who’s more “qualified” to be a spokesperson for political parenthood issues, I think the professional businessman/husband/father probably trumps the amateur athlete/student/bachelor.)

Anyway, all of this is just to say:

If you’re going to discredit and dismantle the Left, I would suggest doing it with logic, intelligence, and integrity… rather than the same kinds of baseless, ignorant, and subjective attacks that so often undermine arguments on both the Left AND Right.

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 7:09 pm

Pro-Choice is the way too say pro-abortion….if a possibility of another choice (like adoption, raising a child etc) is presented then you must be “anti-choice.” I don’t understand….is the only ‘choice’ to be made the choice of which murderer to have kill your child? KWIM?

Mari on February 2, 2010 at 7:33 pm

Okay, so 1. Tim Tebow is so hot. (i’m a teenage girl, no worries) 2. I am so proud of him being such a role model and for standing up for this. 3. Come on, he was in one good movie, Cheaper By the Dozen, of course, he had a really really small role haha.

kara on February 2, 2010 at 7:44 pm

Check Tim Tebow on facebook and see how many friends he has. I bet its more than Ashton has.

Harold on February 2, 2010 at 8:03 pm


You crack me up! And sadden me, because it’s exactly that kind of “pro-choice-means-pro-abortion” thinking that has so the Right in such disarray. (Not to say the Left isn’t also in disarray…)

Whether you’re pro-abortion or anti-abortion (I happen to be anti), Pro-Choice means exactly that… that you believe in GIVING PEOPLE A CHOICE.

It’s funny to me when people on the Right say that America is about freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility… and they want the government to stay out of people’s personal lives… and they then deny people the right to make choices.

You can abhor people’s choices… you can think their immoral monsters… but you can’t do it in the same breath as DENYING THEM CHOICES. And whether you hate it or not, abortion IS a choice. It may be a horrible choice. It may be an evil choice. But it IS a choice.

Isn’t the right that claims they want the government to stay out of health care so people will have MORE CHOICES? If the government creates a public option, it will limit choices?

Yet enter the abortion debate, and suddenly you want the government to get involved to ENSURE people have fewer choices.

I’m not saying any of this as a comment on morality of abortion. I’m just saying that if you want to win arguments and defeat the Left, you should try consistent logic rather than hypocritical moralizing.

Unless, of course, you’d prefer a country where the government is allowed to moralize… which is fine, it’s just not American (according to a conservative perspective).

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 8:22 pm

Question…How come the parents of all these ‘pro-choice’ speakers didn’t have an abortion? Maybe if they knew how rabid they have become, they might have had one. Tim Tebow is one great human being and you can expect the lesser to take issue with anything he stands for. While we all hid behind blogger names, it gives the gutless a great soap box to spew their garbage.

arejaymack on February 2, 2010 at 8:48 pm

Naturally, life is making choices. But we can and do attempt to regulate all kinds of choices to ensure the protection of our all persons in our country. It’s called the law, and there are laws about EVERYTHING from property, marriage, driving, substances, etc. Stealing, murder, speeding? Well, let’s leave that up to the individual. Pro-choice. People will still chose to do all these things, but that doesn’t mean you legalize it. The irony here is that the pro-life supporters, who range from religious to non-religious to not sure, are scientifically and logically united on the beginning of life, which is held in the highest regard and the basis for all our other freedoms. That fact alone entitles that life to protection. This consistency, and an incredible sharing of information in recent years, has most likely led to America becoming a pro-life majority. The morality enters into the picture when the pro-abortion element wants the power to decide (many times uninformed or without even a consideration) when along the way of the child’s path to birth is that life valuable. You get a whole range of “theories”(or none at all.) Very random and unscientific. Pro-choice, in a sense, is pro-abortion, because it is recognizing the choice as a perfectly acceptable alternative to choosing life. Statistically speaking, more and more people are acknowledging it’s not.

Mary BE on February 2, 2010 at 9:04 pm


Did you actually just call people using blogger names “gutless”… while calling yourself “arejaymack?” Again– it doesn’t give you much of a leg to stand on when you root yourself in hypocrisy.

Secondly– and maybe you weren’t aiming your criticism at me, personally, but as someone who recently wrote about Tim Tebow’s credibility on the issue, I’ll go ahead and respond– I have NEVER said that Tim Tebow is not a “great human being.” I haven’t noticed anyone else here saying that, either. HOWEVER…

I do disagree with Debbie’s misguided logic that his Heisman Trophy and his professional football potential have ANY bearing on the validity of his politics.

I happen to think Tim Tebow IS a “great human being”… and an outstanding role model. But it doesn’t help ANY of our political missions to say that because he’s a successful athlete makes him a more valid spokesperson than a successful actor.

If you– or Debbie– want to make a logical, articulate claim for why he’s a great spokesman, make it on the basis of his eloquence, his rhetorical prowess, his leadership.

But NO ONE here… including you and Debbie… has bothered to make that argument. In fact, Debbie’s main argument supporting Tebow’s political stance is “Tebow is a Heisman Trophy winner, and expected to be a top pick in this year’s NFL draft.” Your main argument is “Tim Tebow is one great human being.” Neither is particularly insightful or poignant, and, frankly, when the Left attacks these as vapid, meaningless perspectives– they’ll be right.

(Debbie is also simply uninformed. Her saying Kutcher is a “failed” actor whose most “‘memorable’ acting gig is ‘Dude, Where’s My Car” says more about her own tastes, ignorance, and inability to support her positions than anything else. I am NOT an Ashton Kutcher fan, but not only is “Dude, Where’s My Car” 10 years old… he’s been the main star in 6 movies since then… and 4 of them have out-grossed “Dude, Where’s My Car.” Which, like Tebow’s football credentials, has NOTHING to do with the validity of his political views… I’m simply pointing out that A: “Dude, Where’s My Car” is FAR from Kutcher’s “most memorable” movie, and B: if Debbie wants to discredit people she disagrees with, she should do it with factually accurate information rather than grossly negligent generalizations that can be easily researched and refuted. She may not like Kutcher, his movies, or his views… but “failed” he is not.)

Anyway, none of this is to comment on your views, my views, Debbie’s views, Ashton Kutcher’s views, or Tim Tebow’s views. It’s just to say that if you’re going to HAVE a view… and stand up for it publicly… at least have the balls, the integrity, the factual information, and the logical follow-through to back it up.

Otherwise, as well-intentioned as you may be, you do nothing but hand your opposition a silver platter full of political fodder. Basically: DO BETTER, arejaymack.

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 9:29 pm

So sick of these overpaid over praised celebs and their “self importance” they think they have over life. They are just a bunch of uneducated dolts. Could care less what Kutcher thinks..and it is obvious he doesnt on nearly all occasions.

Charles on February 2, 2010 at 9:36 pm

Craig, on almost every other issue pro-lifers would agree with you that we should allow people to have choices and keep government out of it. When it comes to women’s issues, no pro-lifer is trying to interfere with their choice to get a mammogram, pap smear, body piercing, tatoo, get implants,…or whatever. The difference with abortion is that abortion creates a victim–the unborn child, whose life has begun. We’d all agree that gov’t should and mostly does play a role (via police, military,..etc) in protecting potential victims. We have rape laws, incest laws, child pornography laws,..etc because we seek to protect the innocent. The pro-life community, in acknowledging the unborn child as human, seeks to protect that life. Roe v Wade and Doe v Bolton, the twin 1973 court cases which legalized abortion for any/every reason throughout all 9 months of pregnancy had the same effect on babies that the Dred Scott case (1800’s) had on black people….it made them less than human and equivalent to mere property. But thankfully, via President Lincoln and the Civil War, we ultimately had the Emmancpipation Law which treated blacks as fully human and with dignity. That’s what the unborn child needs, to be treated as human.

jc on February 2, 2010 at 9:42 pm


First of all, that’s the most cogent, lucid argument I’ve read in this whole thread.

I do, however, find it amusing that you say “on almost every other issue pro-lifers would agree with you that we should allow people to have choices and keep government out of it.”

However, last time I checked, abortion wasn’t the only issue “pro-lifers”– or, at least, people on the Right, whether pro-life or not– wanted the government to get involved in. They certainly want government’s involvement in gay marriage… or that banning of it. And while they’re against government regulation of the health care industry, they’re also AGAINST the government offering citizens another CHOICE– the public OPTION (which isn’t a public “mandate,” it’s a public OPTIN).

None of this is to say that I’m pro-gay marriage… or pro-public option… I just find it interesting when people say they want smaller government… except on issues where they believe they have a moral highground.

The truth is, all Americans– on the Left and Right– want people to have freedoms and choices… unless those choices conflict with their own beliefs.

As soon as we’re faced with others having the ability to make choices that disagree with our own views– whether abortion, gay marriage, health care, you name it– NONE of us are pro-choice… about anything.

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 9:53 pm

Dude marries a has been, makes camera commercials, and anyone should care what the douche bag has to say about anything?

ashton is worthless on February 2, 2010 at 9:56 pm

When life begins is not a debatable issue. When life begins is not an opinion. Nature has defined when life begins. Life begins when anything starts to grow. Nothing dead ever grows. Anything in nature including a human being is alive when it begins to grow. Any species growing is alive and grows to maturity and lives its life dictated by nature and then it dies and begins deteriorating. That is not debatable. That is a fact. To debate when life begins is as retarded (Dictionary.com defines “Retarded” as: slowness or limitation in intellectual understanding and awareness, emotional development, academic progress, etc.) as debating if a human being can fly or if a human being can live without breathing. It is a fact that a human being cannot fly. It’s a fact that a human being cannot live without breathing. It is a fact when anything is growing it is alive. No one intelligent debates facts. To do so would be retarded.
The constitution, paraphrasing, says all men are created equal and have the right to pursuit of happiness. Human beings are created when the sperm units with the egg, conception happens and they begin to grow. That is a fact. It is not debatable. To do so would be retarded.
Nature dictates what kind of life it is. An Elephant bred to an elephant has never given birth to a Giraffe. A human egg conceived with human sperm has never given birth to anything but a human. That is not debatable. To do so would be retarded.
The very fact that they have to kill the baby to keep it from growing screams it is alive! How retarded are these people?
Anyone want to jump up and down screaming I’m flying and contradict this?
A woman should absolutely have the right to do what she wants with her body. If she want to have her breast enlarged, a nose job. Her finger cut off her reproductive organs cut out what ever that’s her right. HOWEVER, A BABY IS NOT PART OF A WOMAN”S BODY! Ever hear of DNA? A baby is a separate human being. No one has the right to kill a human being regardless of whether it is living and growing in a woman’s body or living and growing outside a woman’s body.

Wesley Wood on February 2, 2010 at 10:02 pm

Craig, having legitimate discussion on how to best deal with different issues (health care, national security,..etc)is good for our nation and thankfully we are allowed to have our opinions. That said, when it comes to abortion, we’re not just dealing with a petty preference, but rather with preserving or destroying a life which has begun. I think that’s why there’s so much passion on this issue versus most others. Have you ever seen an actual abortion and its victims? Priests for Life and other websites show one for those courageous enough to watch. Sometimes “seeing is believing”. Just like with pictures of the Holocaust which exposed just how tragic the killing of the Jews was, so pictures of abortions bring home the awful truth in America–50 million LEGALLY killed babies since 1973.

jc on February 2, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Wow, great comments and post. I love Teebow and what he stands for. He is a true male role model. If only I was younger…& single ehhe

freedom4usa on February 2, 2010 at 10:07 pm

Recent news story of a Planned Parenthood Director who resigned after seeein an actual abortion for the 1st time:

Abby Johnson had worked at Bryan’s Planned Parenthood facility for eight years and been its director for two when she resigned on October 6th.
Johnson says that she was given her first opportunity to witness an abortion when she assisted at a rare ultrasound-guided abortion. As she watched the ultrasound video, she says she recognized the side profile of the 13-week-old child’s face.
“I saw a full side profile, so I saw face to feet on the ultrasound machine,” said Johnson. “I saw the probe going into the woman’s uterus, and at that moment I saw the baby moving and trying to get away from the probe.”
“And I thought, ‘It’s fighting for its life,” said Johnson. “And I thought, ‘It’s life.’ I mean, it’s alive. …
“My mind was racing, my heart was beating so fast, and I just was thinking, ‘Oh my gosh, make it stop.’ Then all of a sudden, it was over. I saw the baby just literally crumble, and it was over.”
Johnson recalled that the image of the child reminded her of the ultrasound image of her own daughter at 12 weeks gestation.
“If clinic workers saw what was happening on that screen, they would be running out of those clinics,” Johnson concluded. “This is what the abortion industry does not want their workers to see … they don’t want people to see what’s actually happening in the woman’s womb.”

jc on February 2, 2010 at 10:17 pm

Wesley– thank you for a great argument. You really power-hit your point home with nuggets like “It is a fact that a human being cannot fly” and “It is a fact when anything is growing it is alive. No one intelligent debates facts. To do so would be retarded.” You do your side proud.

J.C.– Since you make such a compelling argument for why abortion is such an outstanding issue– more important than health care, gay marriage, etc.– and that ultimately, pro-life conservatives DO want people to have more choices and less government, let’s make a deal:

I’ll forever argue the pro-life stance, if you do everything you can to convince conservatives to embrace gay marriage and a public option.

After all, if we want to shrink government and protect the liberties and choices of individuals, I have no problem protecting the liberties and choices of unborn babies… as long as gays and the uninsured get the same choices and protections.

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 10:22 pm

Craig, thanks for the kind words. I’m not a politician, so I’m not in the business of packaging deals together. However, since this post is dealing with abortion and we’ve also mentioned health care reform, it’s important to begin with the question of WHY does our current senate version of health care allow taxpayer funding of abortion. Granted, they’ve cleverly fashioned it in an indirect manner. But indirectly or directly, it covers abortions with taxpayer funding. This is so obvious that even many pro-life Democrats have exposed this and call their own party on the mat for it. I find that disgraceful–not just because I strongly oppose abortion and taxpayer funding of it—but even worse is the audacity of the current administration and the Dems in Senate to try and pull the wool over the citizen’s eyes. If they’re going to want the American people to trust them and their leadership, they need to earn it with integrity and honesty.

jc on February 2, 2010 at 10:31 pm


“My doctor told me I was being selfish for going through with it.”

Is that why you had three doctors? Because I would have fired anyone who said that to my wife.

Pinandpuller on February 2, 2010 at 10:33 pm

“I don’t want to hear what Tim Tebow thinks about abortion.” Okay, then turn the volume down, change the channel, plug your ears–whatever. The real issue here is the orchestrated attempt by Hollywood elites (read “pompous douche bags”)to sabotage Tebow’s right to voice his opinion publicly. Just image the outcry if their free speech was subverted….

DOH! on February 2, 2010 at 10:37 pm

To all fellow pro-lifers reading this….please continue to lift your voice on behalf of the unborn. There is wonderful pro-life momentum right now. Two Gallup polls and a Marist poll in 2009 show for the 1st time since polling has been done that a clear majority of Americans now consider themselves pro-life. THis is great news. And, also encouraging is that 58% of young people between 18 and 29 call themselves pro-life. The lies of the abortion industry are being exposed (calling babies “blobs of tissue”, promising women they “won’t regret their abortion”,..etc. Ultrasound is showing the beauty and wonder of human life at even 10 or 12 weeks. May God use the Tebow commercial in a powerful way and may our nation reject the culture of death and begin to honor the sancity of life.

jc on February 2, 2010 at 10:40 pm

Craig Gandling

“say what you will about Kutcher’s personal life, but he IS a husband and stepfather, which certainly gives him a different perspective on parenthood and children than a 22-year-old student who’s never been married or a dad. I mean, if you really want to deconstruct who’s more “qualified” to be a spokesperson for political parenthood issues, I think the professional businessman/husband/father probably trumps the amateur athlete/student/bachelor.)”

Tim’s mom is the one relating the story. She’s actually given birth to kids. She chose life.

Kutcher might become a father in his own right after the Egyptologists are thru studying his wife’s womb.

Pinandpuller on February 2, 2010 at 10:51 pm

First of all, to “DOH!” and “ashton is worthless”–

I’m going to apologize on behalf of “arejaymack,” who may or may not have been referring to you directly when he called you both “gutless” for “hiding behind blogger names.” I’m sure he wasn’t including to people who agree with his own beliefs.

Secondly, you’re clearly not gutless; it takes a lot of courage to call an actor a “douche” for having a differing opinion, especially while lionizing a football player. And “Doh,” I’m not sure how Ashton Kutcher is trying “to sabotage Tebow’s right to voice his opinion publicly.” Last time I checked, he didn’t say Tebow shouldn’t be allowed to “voice his opinion publicly,” he just said he disagreed with the opinion and didn’t want to hear it… which is EXACTLY what you’re saying about Kutcher.

J.C.– I’m in total agreement with you, 100%. Abortion should NOT be covered by the health care bill. But you and I both know that this isn’t the main sticking point. The main sticking point is still the Right’s resistance to regulation of the health care industry, an industry that– right now– is legally denying healthy lives to more people than Roe vs. Wade. No matter how you slice it, there are many millions more uninsured Americans trying to live healthy lives than aborted babies.

And I am NOT NOT NOT saying those people’s lives are more important… or we should be sanctioning abortion… I’m simply saying that if abortion were removed from the health care debate– which it should be– I still don’t believe the Right would be on board with passing the bill.

So if you want to protect the lives and choices of all human beings– which you should– then stand up, step up, and protect everyone. Until you do that, your claims of wanting to protect SOME people seem, frankly, hollow and politically agendized.

Craig Gandling on February 2, 2010 at 11:06 pm

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