May 5, 2011, - 3:45 pm

Gay Activist: “We Love Siding w/ Muslims Who Kill Us (v. Israel)”

By Debbie Schlussel

Last night, I told you about City University of New York trustee and former FBI counterintelligence agent Jeffrey S. Wiesenfeld, who had the guts and the courage to stop the university’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice from giving Jew-hater and Israel-boycotter Tony Kushner an honorary degree.  He’s written an excellent piece about this, “Tony Kushner, an Extremist, Can’t Represent CUNY.”  Kushner is gay, and as I pointed out, he proudly hates the only country in the Middle East where he could actually be gay and live to tell about it.  In his comments and reasoning for denying this bigot, Kushner, the degree, Wiesenfeld noted that the countries surrounding Israel are anti-gay, unlike Israel.

Since then, Wiesenfeld has come under attack for his Maccabeean courage, and he’s received a number of hatemail messages. They include this absurdity from gay man, Stephen Clark, who tells Wiesenfeld, how dare you lecture me against embracing my wannabe murderers?!  Wow, what a frickin’ moron:

As I’ve pointed out before,  gays caused riots and mercilessly attacked Mormon churches and donors to California’s Proposition 8, which outlawed gay marriage, and yet they said nothing about mosques and Muslims, which are all openly anti-gay and advocate the execution of gays.  And this is the further extension of that insanity.

Maybe this jerk, Stephen Clark, and all of the other Tony Kushners out there who embrace homophobic–and homo-murdering–Muslims, should go on vacation to Gaza and see how how many living gays they can find there. . . and see if they live to tell about it. Elton John knows better and proudly performed in Israel, recently.


Gays Not Allowed in Islam or Islamic Countries

By the way, Facebook friend (join me on Facebook) Alice Lemos writes:

I am so happy to hear this [DS: about the denial of the honorary degree to Kushner]! Jeffrey Wiesenfeld is wonderful! Kudos to him. Kushner is a self hater who wrote the awful screen play “Munich” which Steven Spielberg foolishly directed. I did not like Angels in America – it attempts to rewrite history. Too bad for Kushner!

These “artists” think they can say and do anything without consequences. Ezra Pound was doing broadcasts for Mussolini during WWII and ended up in an asylum.

John Jay is the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and it trains many kids for the police and for the courts. Why on earth would that kind of college want to “honor” somebody like Kushner? You would think that they would want to honor somebody in law enforcement.


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45 Responses

I now understand the intolerance many people have towards Gays

Not only is their lifestyle fruity, but so is their politics.

They punish their Friends (Israel) and reward their enemies (or maybe they think enemies is really enemas). In any case, it does not pay to give people like this any special rights in Israel or elsewhere

Jonathan E. Grant on May 5, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Jonathan sez:

    “I now understand the intolerance many people have towards Gays.”

    I forgot who first said that IQ drops whenever religion is discussed, but surely the same can be said for gay-related issues. Violently anti-gay behavior and intolerance occurred well before the issue of Islam became salient. One cannot use X to explain Y when Y comes before X.

    BTW, I think you know where I’d suggest you put your enemas.

    skzion on May 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm

Your candour is refreshing!
Out here in S.E. Asia, conservative expats have our own blog, and you might like to link. /2011/05/05/islamonazi-assegaf-assails-america-dont-overlook-his-blood-thirsty-record/

It was recently knocked out, not by any regime but by expat antis! But it’s back.

Connie on May 5, 2011 at 5:04 pm

It’s disgustingly clear to me that this asshole Stephen Clark is part-in-parcel of the militant “gay-mafia”? Hey Stephen Clark you prick, the reason Mr. Wiesenfield didn’t give your butt-plug friend Kushner the honoray degree award was NOT because he’s gay, it’s because where he stands on Israel and jewish people in general. Clark, your supporting an anti-semitic moron (who happens to be jewish himself), another thing Stephen Clark, I would like for you send a message to any fanatical muslim on facebook and tell all the damn things you said to Jeff Wiesenfield, if you say stuff like that to any fanatical muslim on facebook, they’ll look for your ass and put the “kabash” on you and they’ll want to kill you because your a gay man, that’s a fact!

Mr. Clark, do you know that Israel is the only country in the middle east that accepts gay people like you, and in muslim countries, they’ll oppress you, enslave you and kill you for being gay. As I’ve said, Stephen Clark, your a white-trash asshole and a putz.

“A nation is defined by it’s borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on May 5, 2011 at 5:35 pm

@Stephen Clark: So the First Amendment applies to gays and anyone who would dare call them out on hypocrisy be damned? GAWD.

Gena on May 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm

this whole topic is just too gay for me…

howard roark on May 5, 2011 at 5:54 pm


pat on May 5, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Harmless fags

#1 Vato on May 5, 2011 at 6:56 pm


Eve on May 5, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    @Eve: By calling Jeff Wiesenfeld a bigot you expose your own ignorance. You know nothing of Jeff or his beliefs. You listen to the haters and you swallow it all. By calling Israel and the US murderous you you expose your vileness. Whomever you are, Eve (I note that your last name is conspicuously absent) you are a hateful, disgusting piece of trash. May your evil soul continue to eat its way out of your body until what is left is nothing but a dusty carapace.
    How’s that, you stupid cow?

    Stuart Kaufman on May 5, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    What was that, Eve? I can’t hear you over the shouting! 8)


    Macker on May 6, 2011 at 12:25 am

I find it sad that these people never learn from history. The Nazis sought out and killed Jews and gays. Who aligned themselves with the Nazis because they supported such actions because they were doing the same thing? That’s right… the muslims. It may be a different time period, but you are dealing with the same people/same mindset.

Pats on May 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Debbie: Thank you for publishing Mr. Clark’s disgusting screed. Here is a person whose entire identity appears to be wrapped up in his sexual preference. What an empty fool. As to daring to lecture the gay community… who the hell does he think he is? I have news for Mr. Clark. I am personally sick of being lectured by the “gay community.” Shut up, Mr. Clark. Go back into your closet and do whatever you want. Just, please, SHUT UP about it!

Stuart Kaufman on May 5, 2011 at 7:20 pm

And in many ways, the gay mafia has many similarities in their tacticology and ultimate political aims with the Islamic supremacists (meaning, the CAIR crowd and their ilk). Both want their respective “values” to supplant Judeo-Christian morality and to be the dominant force in the land (and, in the case of those seeking to shove Sharia law down our throats, totally supersede our own Constitution). Both accuse being those who would stand against their respective insidious agendas of being “bigoted” and “-ophobic” in an attempt to silence any opposition. Both claim their agenda is a “civil rights” issue (yes, Muslims are playing the “civil rights” card to justify imposing their medieval throwback “values” on the West). Notice that Obama is as much a supporter of the homosexual supremacist agenda (i.e. the repeal of “DADT,” his refusal to defend “DOMA”) as he is of the Islamic agenda (his and Holder’s Justice Department relentlessly running interference o/b/o CAIR in their attempts to impose Sharia law in individual states, such as Oklahoma, that have sought to outlaw imposition of foreign laws in their own legislation). To the rational mind, such a support of both freedom-killing agendas would cancel one another out – but as we all know, there is no rationality in liberal-leftism, only insanity as what Debbie brought up in her article.

ConcernedPatriot on May 5, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    CP, has it occurred to you that the Muslims hijacked familiar civil rights language deliberately and deceptively? The so-called “gay mafia” consists of a tiny number of leftist loudmouths who, despite being terribly obnoxious, will not firebomb a church or synagogue. Can you say the same for Muslim “elites”? As for the mainstream, there is no similarity whatsoever between the average gay person and the average Muslim. The latter, for one thing, is treason waiting to happen.

    skzion on May 8, 2011 at 4:30 pm

      With all due respect, have you not heard about gay fascists rioting in the streets and vandalizing churches upon the passage of Prop 8 in California in 2008? And knocking old women to the ground and ripping the crosses off their necks? Not to mention the threats to the lives of those daring to stand up to them? This may not be the same as firebombing, but the difference between them and the Islamonazis, in terms of their tacticology, is in the degrees. They may be “loudmouths,” but they hold disproportionate influence in Hollywood, the media and academia. To paraphrase a former Malaysian prime minister who, it is said, was driven to anti-Semitism by the financial manipulations to the country’s currency by once-and-always Nazi George Soros, it could be argued that the gay mafia essentially rules the world by proxy.

      ConcernedPatriot on May 16, 2011 at 3:59 am

I think we should realize that some people ARE capable of thought, like Sir Elton. The Islamists are NOT anti-gay. They want to kill you, Mr. Clark. It’s a little worse than simply being anti-gay.

Occam's Tool on May 5, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    In a way that’s quite ironic…given that (according to Bosch Fawstin), Islam itself…is Gay!

    Macker on May 6, 2011 at 12:27 am

Keep in mind that one of the most formidable anti-islamist activists in Europe, Bruce Bower is gay, as was Pym Fortyn. Gays are not a monolith. Incidentally, I’m hetero.

Occam's Tool on May 5, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Occam is right, some of us can think. Some of us realize the threat from islam. But this seems to be a gathering for people who feel nothing but contempt for me. I come here for the information (chiefly about the jihad against western civilization but also the decline in morality represented by baby mamas, the slutification of American girls and women, and the culture of celebrity, and so on) that Miss Schlussel provides that is often hard to find elsewhere, but I also know I might have to hold my nose at all the contempt and mockery and schoolyard bullying comments from people who hate me because I am gay, and that, of course, includes Miss Schlussel. So how do I join with people who hold me in contempt? How do I stand shoulder to shoulder with other people who love this country as I do when they hate me and do not feel I should allowed to participate fully in American society as a full citizen? One branch of my ancestors came to America in the early 17th century. The rest came in the waves of immigration in the 19th century. So far as we can determine, all the men served in the armed forces and fought in the wars of their day to make the USA what it is – all but me, of course, as I was not wanted. Viet Nam would have been my war. Still I love the USA. I know there is no other country on earth I want to live in, that none is greater. My grandmother was a DAR, A Colonial Dame, an Indiana Pioneer, and a Member of the Magna Carta Society. One of her proudest possessions was a photograph of Reagan personalized to her when she met him as a representative of the DAR. She and ALL of my family was/are Conservatives. And they all love me and have no problem with my being gay. I was a liberal. Now I call myself nothing as neither side of the aisle seems to be completely in their right minds. I have nieces and nephews and a godson that I want to inherit the USA I inherited – minus Jim Crow, etc. And by the way, my behavior and demeanor are gender appropriate for a man, which is what I am.

R: Huh? I don’t hate gays. I just don’t like gay rights–special rights conferred on gays–and the in-your-face militancy that gay activists practice. Or the weirdness that you must admit more than a few gays have adopted in terms of choice of clothing and demeanor. I mock many people on this site. Those who don’t need a sense of humor. This is a no-PC zone. Thanks, DS

Richard on May 5, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    It just makes NO sense for the Gays to be pro-Islam. That’s why Chick-Fil-A advertises with cows, “Eat More Chicken.”

    I have met many nice posters here, and people. Debbie is awesome, and I just adore Skunky’s work.

    Occam's Tool on September 6, 2011 at 7:42 pm

I want to add one more thing. My father served in the Navy in WWII in the Pacific and re-enlisted for Korea. When the video of the Naval Academy guys was posted here, I watched it over and over, filled with pride, and could only wish Dad was still here to see it too. He fought and nearly died so that I could live free and he never thought I should ride in the back of the bus, nor did/do my 5 uncles who also served in combat in WWII and Korea. Nor my cousins who all served in the armed forces, two of them as career officers.

Richard on May 5, 2011 at 11:06 pm

I am confounded and disgusted by these Jews who HATE Israel. I don’t get it and NEVER will.

I am NOT Jewish, but I support Irael 100%.

I don’t even see them as EVER being out of line.

It makes my skin crawl when someone who ISN’T Jewish can hate Israel and Jews. I get twice as pissed when I see Jews doing it.

I will NEVER side with Palestinians.

I will NEVER side with the Jew Haters!

Skunky on May 5, 2011 at 11:52 pm


    you are wonderful. And not at all skunky.

    Occam's Tool on May 6, 2011 at 11:05 pm

And on the gays. My favourite person in the world is gay…and a proud conservative!

I have NEVER hated gays, in fact, I like transexuals more than any other people because for the most part, they are docile and sweet AND are the most discriminated group (discriminated against by MANY MINORITIES!!!) right now.

I have always had an affinity for the gays, but now I call them on their bad behaviour (they are NOT untouchable!) and I especially dislike the uber political (lefty) ones.

Gays can and should be proud Conservatives. Just as black Americans should. All are welcome, but on the Conservative side, you WILL be judged by bad behaviour, no matter what you are!

Skunky on May 5, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Notice how the “militant, in-your-face” gay activist Left, steeped as they are in the whole leftist “identity politics” racket, has zero tolerance for anyone else of their particular sexual “orientation” that deviates one iota from their political agenda. The “outings” in recent years of the likes of Mark Foley, “Rev.” Ted Haggard (a double sin because he was ostensibly a man of the skin, given the gay mafia’s aforesaid war against Christians, Mormons etc.) and Larry Craig (who really wasn’t all THAT conservative, given his support for illegal alien amnesty) were essentially a warning for fellow gays to toe the politically correct leftist party line they’re pushing without question or else. But notice only with this group is the word “hypocrite” applied by the Left – unlike the numerous canards for black conservatives (starting with “traitor to their race” and down the list to Uncle Tom, et al.), conservative women (denounced as “female impersonators”) and conservative Latinos (“not ethnic enough”).

    ConcernedPatriot on May 6, 2011 at 7:23 am

      Apologies for what would appear to be a Freudian slip on “Rev.” Haggard; I obviously meant “ostensibly a man of the *cloth*.”

      ConcernedPatriot on May 6, 2011 at 7:49 am

I personally don’t care about orientation as long as it doesn’t endanger the whole of civilized, ordered society.

If you act righteously, you’ll be treated righteously.

If you act like a douche, you’ll be treated like a douche.

Kushner and Clark were being complete douches. They should get slapped for being that way.

Richard – you were being righteous. But grow a little more thick skin: it’s how humans survive!

Disclosure: I used to be phobic. Thank Nietzsche I grew out of that. 😉

The Reverend Jacques on May 6, 2011 at 4:05 am

Please explain why large numbers of GAY asylum seekers from the ME are seeking refuge in the West, both male & female. Who is standing up and supporting them. Not this foul mouthed person who can’t put forward an argument without ad hominem attacks. Are these same foul mouthed persons standing up for ‘gender apartheid’, I don’t think so. There’s nothing special about having a sexual difference but there is something special about standing up for others who are different.
Hats off to Jeffrey Wiesenfeld for logical and rational thinking. To Kushner, when you point a finger at others you’ve got four coming back at you. Do you feel anything when Gays are killed for being themselves, obviously not. Remember that ‘Honour killings’ all fit into this category of the Islamic Sexual Box that you are ‘covering for.

Eyes Wide Open on May 6, 2011 at 4:42 am

RE: Eve

Eve gives us a thoughtful lesson in internet message board replying. Eve teaches us that caps lock is cruise control for cool. She also helps us realize that caps lock also means serious business! Eve also teaches that grammar has no place on the internet, and should be avoided at all costs.

DonkeyDonk on May 6, 2011 at 9:06 am

The world was a much happier place when faggots like stephen clark remained in their closet. The faggots want Debbie to mind her own business, yet we find them pushing their agenda throughout every institution trying to turn our entire country into a gay bath house.

joesixpack31 on May 6, 2011 at 11:39 am

    The world was a happier place for heteros, maybe. Joe, if you want to blather like this, you should expect contempt from those much smarter than you.

    skzion on May 8, 2011 at 4:47 pm

The biggest reason that gays hate Christianity and Judaism is that the Bile & Torah teach that homosexual acts are a sin. They don’t want to hear that.

Gay activists don’t just want equal treatment like everyone else (which indeed they are entitled to), they want to be accepted and respected. The problem is that while Jesus taught us to “love the sinner but hate the sin”, Christians & Jews will accept equal rights and treatment for gays but they will never think that their “lifesyle” isn’t sinful.

Thus they just don’t like Christianity & Judaism and it is trendy to support the Muslims who they feel are opprosed as they are by those ignorant Christians & Jews. The problem is they don’t realize what would happen to them under Shariah law.

jimmyPx on May 6, 2011 at 12:26 pm

Thank you for your response. Yes, this is definitely not a PC site – that’s one of the reasons I come to it. Some time ago I realized that I had to get outside the liberal echo chamber, while still realising that the conservative side is often also an echo chamber. This is where the ability to think comes in handy. But, again, I welcome the lack of PC attitudes here. I hate those perp walks where sports figures and others are forced to (most likely insincerely)apologize for expressing their dislike of gay people or other groups. Do we have free speech or not? Do we have free thought or not? And, besides, I want those opinions out there for everyone to see and hear. I can take it and I can exercise my right to stand up to it with my own thoughts. And I hate “hate crime” legislation as it seems to me to be clearly unconstitutional as well as granting special privileges and status to certain groups not to mention contradicting the idea of free speech and thought.

I take your word that you do not hate gay people (some of whom do, yes, dress as weirdly and behave as bizarrley as some straight people). But if I may give one example that leads to my former conclusion. Recently a poster here put up a comment that was reasonable, as I recall, right down to the very end when he called you a “privileged Jew”. You and others rightly called him on his anti-semitism/Jew hatred, because he clearly intended both words as insults. If calling someone a “privileged Jew” is hate, as it was in that case, then is not lumping all gay men into the category of silly billies and then mocking us for it indicative of hatred for gays? Or can you at least see how it could be interpreted as such? And I actually have a very good sense of humor, which often includes myself as its target. In fact, one thing I am grateful for here is that you introduced me to Jimmy Kimmel. And I know some really good gay jokes that skewer our foibles. But I do not see humor in calling someone a “butt plug” or a “fag”, as some of your followers have. Such remarks lack true wit, frankly. They are intended to be insulting not humorous. But again I say to those posters, have at it, it’s your right to express you opinion. Also, I can see the humor in your post on sensitivity training for the armed forces if gays are allowed to serve openly. I bet somewhere some unkown gay stand up comedian is doing a similar routine – many of us actually have a sense of humor about ourselves.

But the most important thing to me is how do we work together against the common threat of islam? Again, I cannot direct most of my liberal friends, straight or gay, to your site. Fortunately there are others I can direct them to, such as Melanie Phillips and Diana West, and, yes, Robert Spencer. (I know you disapprove of him now.)

Anyway, thank you for keeping Dearbornistan and related issues in the spotlight as well as all your other work against the jihad and the decline of American society and decency.

Richard on May 6, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Richard, your point about “privileged Jew” was well taken.

    skzion on May 8, 2011 at 4:45 pm

Reverand Jacques – I do not agree I was being self-righteous (which is what I think you meant by “righteous”) or thin-skinned. Please see my response above. If what I said was self-righteous and thin-skinned then so are the majority of remarks on this site. It is neither thing, in my opinion, to point out that the idea that gay people want to turn the country into a gay bath house is both absurd and untrue, and turns people away who need to hear the other viewpoints that are expressed here. “Listen to me you worthless fag because I am right” is not polictical debate or dialog.

Richard on May 6, 2011 at 12:41 pm

I’ll shut up after this. I just want it to be also known that I do know what side the angels are on in the Middle East: It’s called Israel.

Richard on May 6, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Some of my fellow queers are batsh!t crazy- unfortunately many of them have muscled into the limelight, either via academia or entertainment. Every queen loves a stage, after all…

However, some are a great deal more sensible- as Occam mentioned, Bruce Bawer and Pim Fortuyn, and I’ll also include Theo Van Gogh, who was killed for making a film critical of Islam.

Debbie doesn’t hate gay people. She holds them to a higher standard of compartmentalization/hiding their existence than she does straight folk, and is inevitably disappointed or disgusted when they fail to meet that standard, but she doesn’t hate them. Not everyone can be as awesome as Ann Coulter.

R: Uh, wrong. Reality check: I hold everyone to the same standard. I don’t want in your face PDA or weirdness from heteros, either. I’ve said, “get a room” many times on this site about straights. DS

Robert on May 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    “Debbie doesn’t hate gay people. She holds them to a higher standard of compartmentalization/hiding their existence than she does straight folk, and is inevitably disappointed or disgusted when they fail to meet that standard, but she doesn’t hate them.”


    Absolutely deadly.

    skzion on May 8, 2011 at 4:51 pm

Debbie, thank you for the work you do.

Occam's Tool on May 6, 2011 at 11:08 pm

Al-Bannist (muslim brotherhood) islamofascists accept extermination sharia, viz gays. Wahabis believe in flogging as a means of sex orientation change. Lots of luck.

Vlad the Jihadi Impaler on May 7, 2011 at 8:32 am

Stephen Clark, like all other self-hating kind, would just pretend that gays in the Middle Eastern Islamic countries, Gaza, and West Bank are being oppressed, harassed, assaulted, and/or murdered by Muslim thugs and still think Islam is all wonderful, peaceful “religion” encompassing all peoples, MINUS gays, unbelievers/atheists, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, artists, musicians, and free speech supporters. Stephen Clark is a fool and an idiot digging his own grave in any Islamic country. He should try establishing a gay parade in Gaza and see what kind of reception he’ll get from Hamas.

Rob on May 7, 2011 at 4:54 pm

OT, thank you for your kind words! You’re one of the regular warriors here who (as Ren & Stimpy would say) are “one of the good one! ;D

Skunky on May 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm

Mr. Clark is right. This professor shouldn’t be typecast to think a certain way, or endorse an entity just because one of their policies includes gay rights. Especially if that entity is an extremely aggressive country that constantly harasses its neighbors, in Palestine, ahem, “East Jerusalem.” I’m not a Jew-hater. I grew up in New York city in a very Jewish neighborhood. Even though I’m Christian, I went to Torah Theater camp when I was little and my childhood apartment was literally sandwiched in between a Jewish school and a Synagogue.
Oddly enough, most of the people I know who are anti-zionist are Jewish and even Orthodox (they believe it goes against the Torah). Also, Israel isn’t the safe haven for gays that Debbie claims it to be. Yes, they have policies in place in Israel, but it is a religious state, and within every religion, there are bigots. Gay Muslims would not only be discriminated against because they are gay, but fiercely discriminated against because they are Muslim. That’s why not as many gays in the ME seek asylum in Israel as they do in the U.S. and Europe.

I like reading Debbie’s blog, even though I don’t agree with everything she says. Not everything you read is supposed to make you happy, but it’s supposed to educate you. Even though I don’t agree with her stance on Islam and “they’re coming to get us, they’re all horrible degenerates/pro-terrorist scum” that she throws in, the news is great, funny, and mature (compared to most high-strung liberal blogs. I consider myself mildly lib, but I don’t like the whiny crap that some of them spout).

Bubba on May 9, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    One more thing I forgot to add: On my visit to Egypt, I found that a lot of the people there (real people, not tour guides and crap like that) were very peaceful, open minded, and tolerant of other people’s religion, gender, race, etc., even though they were (gasp!) all Muslims. Even when I told them that I was gay, they were very kind and accepting and treated me the same as they had before.

    Bubba on May 10, 2011 at 3:41 pm

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