August 1, 2008, - 1:11 pm

About that Beheading on the Canadian Bus: The Cowards Who Fled & Did Nothing

By Debbie Schlussel
Many readers sent me the story about the beheading in Canada on a bus. I waited for a while before addressing it because I wanted to hear more details.
Most troubling to me is that, instead of pouncing on the beheader and stopping him from murdering an innocent person, the passengers on the bus all fled like cowards. A beheading from what I know from the videos we’ve been “treated” to, by our friends in the “Religion of Peace,” is not an instant thing. Hate to be graphic, but it’s not as quick and easy as cutting soft butter. And there was a lot of stabbing of the victim before that. It could have been stopped and no-one tried, from what I can gather from the story:


A man sleeping on a Greyhound bus as it rolled across the Canadian Prairies was killed and decapitated by his seatmate as horrified passengers fled to safety in the night, witnesses and police said on Thursday.
“All of a sudden, we all heard this scream, this bloodcurdling scream,” said Garnet Caton, who was sitting just in front of the victim on the bus. Caton said that when the attack was over, the knife-wielding killer displayed his victim’s severed head to the onlookers. . . .
Witnesses said the victim and killer, who apparently did not know each other, had enjoyed a casual cigarette break with other passengers only minutes before the attack.
Witnesses described a scene of bloody mayhem that erupted without warning on the bus, which was traveling east to Winnipeg, Manitoba, on a routine scheduled run.
“The attacker was standing up right over top of the guy with a large hunting knife — a survival, Rambo knife — holding the guy and continually stabbing him, stabbing him, stabbing him in the chest area,” Caton told CBC Television.
The attack continued as other passengers fled the bus and waited for police, Caton said. He said he, the driver and another passenger desperately tried to hold the bus door closed to prevent the attacker from leaving.

So, they stopped him from leaving, but didn’t dare try to stop him from repeatedly stabbing, then beheading someone?!

“He calmly walks up to the front (of the bus) with the head in his hand and the knife and just calmly stares at us and drops the head right in front of us,” Caton said. . . .
Police praised the calmness and cooperation of the passengers.

Praise them for WHAT?! They should be ashamed.
That was in Canada.
I contrast that with the shoe bomber, Abdul Raheem a/k/a Richard Reid, on the Air France flight to Boston. American men on the plane–including a minor league basketball player–pounced on this guy and beat him black and blue like he deserved, saving the day.
In that instance, though, the people on the plane knew that if they didn’t stop him, they would all die. On the Canadian bus, they knew if they just ran away, only the victim would be hurt–in this case, fatally.
Would this happen in America? There’s the story of the rape/murder of Kitty Genovese, where people ignored her screams and did nothing, but that was then. I’d like to think people would be different now, but with so many people unwilling to do the right thing, I wonder. What do you think?
While I do not know if it has anything to do with nationality, I’m struck by what I can imagine was a bunch of scaredy-cat people (in this case, socialist Canadians), who didn’t want to risk of themselves to help this innocent victim of a brutal murder.
If I were in that situation, I’d probably run, too. But that’s because I’m a woman, and I’m tiny. I could not possibly overpower this murderer, though perhaps I’d try to kick him in the cojones to temporarily neutralize him. I don’t know. But in America–unlike Canada–I’d have the ability in most states to carry a concealed gun with me, and that could be the equalizer in such a situation.
I’m still dismayed that none of the men on the bus tried to stop this guy. How could they just run away and do nothing while a man is being beheaded? Disgusting.
G-d Bless Tim McLean, the innocent victim of the beheading. G-d rest his soul.
Perhaps he might still be alive, if courage wasn’t such a rare commodity.
**** UPDATE: This info makes it even worse:

Passengers exited the bus, and a trucker who stopped provided wrenches and crowbars to several of them so they could keep the suspect on the bus until police came, witnesses told Canadian TV.

They get wrenches and crowbars and instead of using those to hit this murderer and put him out cold, they use them to keep him on the bus. Very sad.
**** UPDATE #2: Listen to the police scanner audio. These Canadian cops are just standing there matter-of-factly communicating about how this guy, Vince Weiguang Li, is hacking off parts of the victim’s body and eating them. Meanwhile they’re doing nothing.
Have they no sense of decency? They should have shot the guy to hell, so the victim’s family would at least have some sort of semi-recognizable body to bury. But I guess it’s against Canadian manners to interrupt lunch. I guess they only have the guts to stop guys like Hannibal Lecter in the movies.
**** UPDATE #3: Reader Sean writes:

In honor of the Canadian “heroes” who let the guy on the bus get butchered….ALONE with his murderer….I give you the lyrics from Sir Robin’s Minstrels in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail.”

Brave Sir Robin ran away
Bravely, ran away…away…
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin . . . .
He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering off
And chickening out and pissing off home, Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.

Sounds like another symptom of the Nanny State. “Let’s all flee and wait for our protectors to show up.”

75 Responses

….I’m not too sure I’d want to tackle a guy whose holding/using a ‘Rambo-knife’…..unless I had a baseball bat…..or a Desert Eagle. A bus is a confined environment, and this animal was already stabbing/hacking away at the passenger. The passenger was probably already beyond help after the 2nd or 3rd stab. The guy was described as ‘calm’, but no physical description is given. The screaming, the blood, the panic……I can’t fault the passengers for this one.

guitarguy on August 1, 2008 at 1:51 pm

I normally agree with you on most things but on this you are wrong. The knife that was used would have put the victim beyond help by the third stabbing.
By the time the other passengers knew what was happening the guy was beyond help. The only thing to do is to get everyone of the bus and contained the killer.

FIVEOFNINE on August 1, 2008 at 2:02 pm

The vermin Liberals have turned most people into sheeple. We are disarmed and the predators are armed. No wonder no one did anything to stop this maniac. Liberalism is a mental disorder. They should lock them up with their precious murdering anti-social mental cases.

FreethinkerNY on August 1, 2008 at 2:02 pm

Deb, I love your site and come here every day.
However…..Richard Reid did not possess a knife. He was a much easier target to take down. I’m not sure the same could be said were he brandishing a ‘Rambo knife’. I also would not consider any of these bus passengers as ‘scaredy-cats’. The story states that he came after the passengers while brandishing the knife. And despite that, they did not flee. They blocked his escape. (Yes, they fled the bus, but they made sure he didn’t get away.)
Google ‘Rambo knife’ and take a look at what appears.
On the other hand, that man who stomped that little boy to death a few weeks ago should have been beaten to death. That task should have been easy, as he had no weapon.

guitarguy on August 1, 2008 at 2:09 pm

To be fair it could happen anywhere, but probably even more so in America, Jr.
After all, they have so much of the Frenchy influence, and WE KNOW how zee French surennders at the drop of a hat and hope America does their dirty work.
Then, what a stupid country that sends us losers like Pam Anderson, Celine Dion, Michael J. Fox, and Bryan Adams among others and ends every single sentence with “Eh?”

Jeff_W on August 1, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Debbie I think you’re absolutely right on this one – how is it that the passengers cannot carry a concealed gun, but can carry what sounds like a machete? Maybe the bus driver should’ve been armed…if passengers knew their bus drivers were armed, wouldn’t they be less prone to acts of violence?

C-Hay on August 1, 2008 at 2:37 pm

I struggled with the same thing early this morning. I am familiar with the weapon used and it is damn formidable. However, a quick thinking American probably would have smashed this cat on the head with something strong enough to crush his skull a bit. I agree with FIVEOFNINE, that poor boy was in grave trouble after the first stab wound, but at least his body would have retained its human dignity. As to the barbarian, nothing said about who/what/or where regarding him. Considering the Canadian psychology, I just have to assume he’s a muslim affiliated nut-job. Sorry, I now suspect them all for everything, especially since just about every vicious murder can be traced to them. By the way, anyone heard that they got Aymin Zawahiri?

FreeAmerican on August 1, 2008 at 2:40 pm

It has already happened in America, more than once. When I worked in NYC (during the 70s and 80s) it happed on several occasions. Once, a man waited in an ally and jumped out to ask passersby for money. Those that gave were allowed to pass. Those that refused where knifed to death and dragged into the alley. Some pedestrians saw what was happening and either crossed the street or paid up. Dozens paid up while others stood across the street and watched. My memory isn’t perfect but I think he killed four or more before police were called.

Frank Laughter on August 1, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Pussies!!!! On the bus and posting here. “I’m scared of someone with a knife…” COWARDS!!!!
There are lots of ways to take a knife away. How about some MEN stepping up, you know, like more than one? How about throwing a blanket over him? How about a tire iron? Bussess do hae them. Canadians=pussies.

softwaregurus on August 1, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Pussies. I couldn’t agree more.

undaunted on August 1, 2008 at 3:04 pm

Reminds me of the murders at McGill University, where a French Muslim murdered all those nurses after removing the men from the area. The men milled around outside the murder scene, not helping. A nation of emasculates.

Jewel Atkins on August 1, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Debbie – they did a study about this and when there’s a group of people around a potential victim, it tends to diffuse their sense of moral responsibility. No one feels they have to respond. By contrast if there’s just one decent person around, only one – the odds are good he will act because there’s no one else to serve as an alibi for inaction. There’s something about crowds that makes it easy for criminals to get with away with a crime with impunity and that prevents individuals from doing the right thing. The Kitty Genovese case and that of Tim McLean will not be the last nor the first such situations where large numbers of people stand by and do nothing.
As for a gun, I highly recommend you get one! You should be armed, Debbie and its great equalizer. You might never need it but you can be thankful when you do since crimes don’t always happen in what people like to think of as “bad” areas. A bus, for example, is the first place people don’t think of being a murder scene. So forearmed is forewarned.

NormanF on August 1, 2008 at 3:22 pm

Debbie – in the 1960s people still had traditional values. That’s the world I was born into. So it might have been possible to write off what happened to Kitty Genovese as an aberration. I don’t think we can take comfort today since society has changed so dramatically. Its like people no longer know what right and wrong means. That’s why I’m not really shocked this happened.

NormanF on August 1, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Man up, people. This isn’t going to stroll away into the sunset.

undaunted on August 1, 2008 at 3:48 pm

Well the first two posts are either earth worshipping libs or Canadians. I guess if the guy is wounded we should just allow the bastard to enjoy his human remains lunch. I am also going to assume that everyone on the bus and the first two posters are NOT card carrying concealed weapon permit holders. Translated, that makes them all sheeple for the next maniac with a $10 knife their personal executioner. On the other hand me and my Glock 27 40 caliber pistol will be writing a statement at the police station and going out for a stiff tequila with friends to celebrate planting a homicidal maniac.
On the other hand in Israel a maniac attacks a bus with a forklift and when the po po are standing there in shock a young man comes forward and blows his brains out.
Also when a partner of mine is attacked by an inmate I am the gentleman that acts to subdue the attacker, immediately.

samurai on August 1, 2008 at 4:13 pm

WellÖinteresting replies.
THIS STORY should become the ìposter childî for allowing Canadians to carry concealed weaponry.
This lunatic could easily have turned on the other passengers as well! Sheer luck, that he didnít. How could they have stopped that? By returning fire from concealed weaponry!!!
The trucker had the right idea, he was the hero here, but psychotics can be difficult to contain. A handgun would have brought quick resolution to the matter.
A nation that allows bones from aircrash victims to remain in a farmerís field (Flight 621) for thirty-eight yearsÖproduces cops that donít understand the affront to human decency and thereby allow a perp to consume the flesh of his victim while they stood down, and watched.
Was there somehow more entertainment in allowing the freak to manifest his illness entirely? Those officers certainly disgraced the proud RCMP tradition.
There are many brave Canadians my American friendsÖjust none that happened to be at that scene.

The Canadien on August 1, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Guitar guy should sell a guitar and go buy a nice compact glock. That guitar ain’t doing much for your families safety or your masculinity at this point.
Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

samurai on August 1, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Yea, what samurai said. The Canadien, too, eh.

undaunted on August 1, 2008 at 4:48 pm

My, my, my first of all Debbie you paint everybody in Canada as socialists. May I remind you that our current Prime Minister is a Conservative.
Second, it’s easy to sound so brave when you’re outside looking in. I’m sure all of you “bashers” would have been right in there shooting the crap out of this guy if you were there.
Jeff_W why don’t you go play hide and go “F” yourself. There are more losers in the entertainment business from the USA than from Canada you pantload “eh”!

TonyfromHamilton on August 1, 2008 at 5:03 pm

I’m with The Canadien… lots of brave Canucks, God bless them, everyone.

undaunted on August 1, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Methinks we have a few people on this thread who have a Dylan Avery mentality. (“The hijackers had boxcutters? Measly little boxcutters…? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! I woulda kicked their asses and laughed at them!”)
I’m neither a lib nor a Canadian, nor a card-carrier.
And Samurai, your glock would’ve been useless had you been sleeping next to that guy. And forget the glock for a moment…what would you have done?How would you have nailed this guy (sans Glock)?
Crowbar? Tire iron?
From where?
You’d have to get off the bus to get access to them.
You’re on a crowded bus….people begin screaming (and you don’t know why)….it’s a madhouse in a confined space…..what do you do?
A guitar is made of solid maple and ash…..makes a real good club…..the guitar’s case would also do damage…
But I don’t rely on my guitar to define my masculinity, Samurai….
…but if you need your Glock to reinforce yours…..welllll….
….and let’s try a ‘what if’ news blurb:
“The passengers had blocked the assailant inside the bus, but let him out (before the Police arrived) so they could beat him to death. However, several of the passengers were seriously maimed before the Police could subdue him. Three passengers lost a limb, and two received life-threatening injuries when their arteries were severed.”

guitarguy on August 1, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Wow. Amazing how you can judge others that are in the midst of a horrific, unthinkable crime all from the comfort of your laptop. Debbie, isn’t a more apt definition of a coward someone who can’t even spell out the word God? What exactly is G-d? How brave of you to ask G-d to bless them, all the while degrading Canada and stereotyping it’s citizens. Based on past facts you would most likely be the first to cry “anti-semitism” if someone “stereotyped” you a whiny, ignorant Jew.
But yes, it is apprarent from your picture that you haven’t run from a knife.

JPCG on August 1, 2008 at 5:46 pm

Dear retard (Posted by: JPCG at August 1, 2008 05:46 PM)
Being an errant ignoramus, like yourself, does have its drawbacks. Observant Jews don’t spell the G-word because, according to tradition, if the G-word is on an object that can be destroyed, then its equivalent to destroying the Lord. Its a sign of respect numbnuts.
Also, Debbie is right, Canadian are diffident feckless creatures. They certainly lack a backbone as evidenced by this incident. Oh, and its not bigotry to make fun of a nationality you schmuck, since nationalites comprise diverse ethnicities. Its apparent from YOUR post, that you would run from a knife. Which just proves my point. Canadians are pussies.

softwaregurus on August 1, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Guitar guy, and thejcpg or whatever your face is. I haven’t had the pleasure of combat with a knife wielding maniac but I work in a prison everyday and use my hands or objects in defense of myself and others, believe it or not. I have never ran FROM an attack and have the scars to prove it, idiots. Not from my laptop do I feel better. I feel satisfaction after a fight by smoking a cigar outside the unit with a fellow warrior that just assisted in keeping some would be convict from hurting a nurse or other officer. Guitar guy and Jcpg go f–k your cowardly selves and thanks for the Molson and the cheap oil. I would recommend checking out Commando Krav Maga on youtube or google. That may help you understand the world we live in today at least MY world you limp wristed sissies. Without the Glock I would possibly still have seen the attack brewing from the beginning. Possibly an unresolved argument from their smoke break. Maybe the guy goes into his luggage for something with a little extra gusto. Little things give away attackers intentions to a trained observer, like myself, you pansy. A piece of luggage or a large handbag could be employed to nail a guy in the head from behind or the side. A ball point pen to the neck. Judging from the police response the rest of Canada’s response in being heroic, you people are in fact quite like the french with the surrender or surrender motto.

samurai on August 1, 2008 at 7:34 pm

Why blame the passengers? By the time they could register what was happening, the victim was surely dead. He was not beheaded until some time after already being killed. If you want to brand a group of cowards, how about the police? The CNN story said there was a stand-off of several hours before he was captured after breaking a window and attempting to climb out. What were the dozens of armed cops doing for several hours? Probably, hiding behind their cars waiting for him to come out. The passengers were more proactive than the police.

pokermik on August 1, 2008 at 7:39 pm

I know there are some bad dudes from Canada. George St. Pierre, David Louasou. But you pansies know who you are. A lot of UFC fighters come from up north. You guys need some guns though.

samurai on August 1, 2008 at 7:39 pm

Posted by: softwaregurus
[Oh, and its not bigotry to make fun of a nationality you schmuck, since nationalites comprise diverse ethnicities.]
You stupid twit, softwaregurus! Go look up the word ‘bigotry’ if you know how to read.
To all Canadian readers, I’m sorry you have to read such crap. I’m embarrassed that so many conservative Americans are very stupid, arrogant, and bigoted. Hopefully come this year’s election, good Americans will prevail.

Norman Blitzer on August 1, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Retard? ignoramus? Thanks for the Molson? No comment. By the way I’m a US citizen, but I do love Canada. And I think the definition of bigotry is your exact wording above?
I agree with pokermik, blaming the passengers is absurd. Not one of us here (except Samurai of course) can honestly say how we would react, being asleep not even withstanding. Where is the anger toward the guy who actually did this? This hatred of Canada is so unfounded and ridiculous. And my apologies for the G-d ignorance, I didn’t realize they didn’t spell it. When I’m wrong, I’m wrong.
I too can’t fathom why the police didn’t do something sooner. Perhaps they knew the victim was already dead? I actually feel sorry for the passengers. I can’t imagine witnessing something like that.

JPCG on August 1, 2008 at 8:20 pm

Isn’t it ironic that the most judgemental comments come from a country where crime is so high? It doesn’t surprise me that a bunch of Americans have nothing but rude,judgemental things to say. None of you were there…so who are you to judge? You people disgust me…you have reinforced why I will NEVER step on American soil. Do you know why you all react with this ‘If I were there, I would have charged the guy attitude?’ Because you are so used to violence in your country that you have to be ready to jump into action. Funny thing is if this had happened to you guys, we would be shocked and absolutely mortified and our deepest sympathies would go out to everyone affected by this horrific crime….what do you guys do? Judge and make rude remarks. No wonder you guys are the target of so many others. Ever since I have gone online time and time again I have witnessed you Americans tear others apart. Is it any wonder that your country is in the state that it is in? Oh well, as the saying goes….You reap what you sow.

Diana43 on August 1, 2008 at 9:03 pm

Isn’t it ironic that the most judgemental comments come from a country where crime is so high? It doesn’t surprise me that a bunch of Americans have nothing but rude,judgemental things to say. None of you were there…so who are you to judge? You people disgust me…you have reinforced why I will NEVER step on American soil. Do you know why you all react with this ‘If I were there, I would have charged the guy attitude?’ Because you are so used to violence in your country that you have to be ready to jump into action. Funny thing is if this had happened to you guys, we would be shocked and absolutely mortified and our deepest sympathies would go out to everyone affected by this horrific crime….what do you guys do? Judge and make rude remarks. No wonder you guys are the target of so many others. You reap what you sow.

Diana43 on August 1, 2008 at 9:07 pm


Diana43 on August 1, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Diana 43: Our country is violent unfortunately. But with practice makes perfect in some things. Pardon us if we don’t cry over your lack of patronage to our country. The country that is responsible for keeping you safe. Yeah, without us you’d probably have been swallowed up by Russia by now. Or the Japanese back when they were hoping to take Alaska back about 60 years ago.
I haven’t been to Toronto soley because I happen to know that gun violence is a problem there. Didn’t used to be but it is now. If I can’t take my gun for self defense purposes I usually don’t go. Therefore I will only go when I go to Niagara Falls again. I won’t go to Windsor though. A lot of drunk disorderly Americans roaming the streets with the Canadian drunks.:) That place is a zoo on the weekend. Your country is ok but Utopia it ain’t.

samurai on August 1, 2008 at 9:14 pm

IIRC, the passenger directly in front of the victim was ex military. Initially he asked another passenger to help him stop the attack – only to watch him turn without responding and fleeing with the remaining passengers . A small child was handed over seats to other passengers for evacuation.
In those circumstances, and being unarmed, I don’t know what more you could expect of that one passenger. But at least one passenger is on record as wanting to try.
I’m far more upset with the police not taking this attacker out with a bullet. They witnessed part of the mutilation. The police had every reason to shot him on site.
Tim McLean, rest in peace son. Prayers go out to his family and friends.

justamomof4 on August 1, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Debbie, I like your site and agree with most of what you have to say. Having said that, you do have a tendency to paint all of Canada with the same excrement colored brush. While I do understand the negativity to Canada what with all of it’s USA bashing. I’m Canadian and am almost going nuts listening to some of my fellow countrymen and their bullcrap statements about the great USA. Please don’t follow my dopey countrymen/women’s examples. Realize that we are not all like that. Just like you are not all like George Bush (who I would have voted for twice. A choice I would have then lived to regret. Although what were the other choices really).
Your liberals make me want to puke, but I don’t blame any other Americans but the liberals themselves.
Now about that little beheading thing. What a bunch of bull being thrown around here. Of course if someone had a gun with him, he’d have jumped at the chance to put a few into this guy. That kind of opportunity doesn’t come by very often. Unfortunately carrying a handgun here in Canada will get you tossed in jail. We don’t all agree with it, but for now that is the law.
On a bus crowded with screaming women (maybe a few men as well) and some children, coming up a very narrow aisle on some guy swinging a 6 or 8 inch blade is a recipe for disaster, for you. Why throw your own life away to save a dead man? My family needs me alive more than they need a dead failed hero.
The police I suspect would be prosecuted if they simply shot the killer. That is definitely a problem here in Canada. Shooting that maniac should have been a priority. We are what our governments make us I suppose. Yes a bunch of my fellow Canadians voted our liberals in for years. Many of us voted otherwise, but that’s democracy. Hopefully obama won’t get elected, but what if he does? Will that make all of America suddenly stupid and butt licking? Of course not.
We will need each other before all this islamism is over with.
That was a lot of typing. I need a nap.

Svend on August 1, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Guys, be honest with yourselves, don’t be idiots.
These people were on a travel bus. The passengers included moms, kids, elderly, etc. Maybe 5 or 6 “able bodied” men capable of challenging the attacker scattered throughout the bus. It was getting late in the evening and darkness was setting in. Most of the passengers were sleeping, dozing off, listening to music or watching a movie with their headphones. One psycho path at the very back of the bus stabs a sleeping passenger in the neck with a “Rambo knife”, the scream the people heard was that poor kids last breath, the first strike would have been a fatal wound, even if it was the only strike. The only people who knew what was going on would have been the 3 or 4 rows at the back, someone starts screaming “stop the bus, everybody off the bus”. Dazed and confused people heed the warning without knowing what is going on at the back of the bus. I don’t know the exact dimensions of a greyhound, but I would guess it is about 60 feet long with a 3 foot center aisle. Anyone in this situation who says they would have helped, yeah ok, so you would have awaken from your slumber and jumped over 15 bus seats or bulldozed 20 passengers cramming the aisle moving in the opposite direction to get to the back of the bus to investigate a scene in which you only knew that “someone” has a knife and then proceed to “Chuck Norris” the Rambo knife wielding attacker and saved the effing day huh? I think you guys play to many video games.
Only a couple of people on that bus would have had the first hand knowledge of what was happening in real time, it was not a case of 37 hockey players standing in a circle scratching their balls and watching someone get murdered and decapitated. The BRAVE CANADIAN men made sure that the women, children and elderly were off the bus and safe. Then they decided to go back on the bus with crowbars to see if they could help the victim. They made sure that the attacker never got away.
Oh and another thing about guns, say if this attacker had a gun at the back of the bus with 36 sleeping or non attention paying passengers. I GUARANTEE that I could have emptied 3 clips before anyone of you would have been able to fire a single round back at me, yes sir, if this happened in the US of A, it would have been more like 12 dead and 15 wounded. Guns in a dark, confusing and confined area would not have made this situation very pretty. Remember Virginia tech?, Columbine?, random employees freaking out at work? Hmmmmm, so lets bash Canada eh?

Moose on August 1, 2008 at 10:36 pm

It provides an account in much greater detail. Apparently one of the passengers did in fact attempt to help, but another man who he approached fled. Moreover, it seems that McLean died rather quickly given that he was stabbed repeatedly in the throat. Read it and let me know whether you still think your article is entirely accurate. Just so you know, I actually agreed with you until I found the Globe and Mail article.

Jason C. on August 2, 2008 at 1:37 am

Quote: From
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called yesterday’s incident horrific and said his heart goes to the family of the victim. However, he played down the possibility of enacting tough security measures in Canada’s bus terminals, similar to what exists in airports. End Quote.
This is unexceptable.
These busses have outside storage for harmful cargo.
It should be the same as airlines for any public transportation.
These attacks will now happen world wide as they see it’s easy to do randomly with little disturbance to them.
The attackers know they can no longer use aircraft, but use trains, busses, ships, to carry on and transport the deadliest of weapons.
Whether they are Muslims, or what ever, they will need to do their crap by smaller means which makes them easier to stop.
This bus attack watched by Police could have been tear-gassed-to low level gun shots to subdue the attacker from more humility of the victim.
If it was their child on the buss, they would of opened fire non-stop. I want to see this fkg animals face and where he came from, and what his whole life history was about, and where he’s been.
This is not the first time he’s done this. You just don’t wake up on Meth, and decide to mutilate a human being. Paranoid Yes, but incapable of this level of attack without a lot of practice.
I’ll bet any amount, there is a trail uncovered of death.
If security is done as airlines, then bus driver’s should be armed. They are out there in the middle of the night, in the middle of no where, when the only on duty cop is sucking down donuts, and is afraid to pull out pepper spray in fear of being sued. Let alone a gun.
Better wake up God Dammit, it’s not 1956.
Our FKg pansy azz governments let these scum bastards in here from the early 80’s
All you have to know is when the one with the Gun says Get the Fk Down, only the Attacker with weapon will be standing as the primary target. This is standard CIA hit. The attacker doesn’t need to answer any questions to any court. We will know enough answers even when he’s dead.
Will Have Gun, Will Travel, trained by Armed Forces to never miss by single bullet.
To prove my point of PANZY AZZ.
Look at all the innocent victims of high speed chases, never fired on by several Squads in pursuit.
They could remove all the air in all tires with-in the first 100 feet, just to start with.
But No, they let the Azz Hole drive head-on into a loved one.
The Cops love the instant anxiety attack of the chase.
I ended one such chase with my own vehicle before they could possibly do it again.
This was a Tragic Loss, now take action.
It doesn’t matter what you believe, it’s all about common sense.

Philscbx on August 2, 2008 at 5:44 am

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Philscbx on August 2, 2008 at 6:00 am

I was also horrified that some official praised the passengers as “brave” and for not letting the guy kill anyone else!! Like one is okay?
Yes, he had a weapon, but couldn’t someone at least have tried?

PJ on August 2, 2008 at 11:57 am

Don’t be surprised if multi-millionaire “man of the people”,and Marxist coward,Michael Moore says the same racist things about this, that he spewed about the 9/11 victims; that if the passengers had been Black, they all would have overpowered the terrorists.

OldSchoolW on August 2, 2008 at 3:03 pm

The West keeps importing barbarians from primitive societies and then they express shock when these savages commit all kinds of evil acts.

Thee_Bruno on August 2, 2008 at 4:03 pm

Debbie, I, too, was very disturbed when I read that no one tried to immobilize the maniac, but after reading various accounts of the atmosphere on the bus, I realize that everyone did what they could. Yes, maybe if Rambo had been sitting in the seat directly across from the maniac, and had been awake and aware, and had a weapon of some sort, this could have turned out differently. As it was, there were circumstances that conspired against the passengers. I am not going to judge them. I wasn’t there. I feel terrible for the ex-military guy who wanted to help, but was abandoned by the other male whom he asked for assistance. He will likely be haunted by feelings of responsibility and failure (and he shouldn’t be — I hope he will find peace of mind). I also think that the three men who reboarded the bus with tire irons are heroes. They went in to see if the victim could be saved.
If anyone is to blame (in addition to the maniac, obviously) it is those who created Canadian laws that stifle citizens from using violence to quell violence. The maniac should have been slaughtered at the first opportunity, but anyone who tried that would have been prosecuted, most likely. And THAT is what I would hold Canada in low regard for, though to be fair, our own country is becoming pussified and wussified by our laws, too.

BanishThem on August 2, 2008 at 4:12 pm

In Israel, of course, this would never go down this way. There would usually be a few men or women with guns around and the attacker would be dead in a New York minute. Even without guns, there would be well trained young veterans to jump the guy. Canadians don’t pack heat. Too bad.

Oddpot on August 2, 2008 at 5:39 pm

I’m with Debbie. After the V-Tech shooting, I decided if I ever ended up teaching in a class room, it would be my duty to my students to carry a gun. Get strapped Americans.

Word-Drum on August 2, 2008 at 6:12 pm

Its not fair to brand Canadians as cowards because a few frightened passengers fled a bus as a madman rampaged. And please don’t mix English Canadians with the french element that exists in this country.
In fact when WWII broke out many thousands of English volunteered for military duty and a lot of french Canadians ran and hid in the woods to avoid service. These Quebec people were cowards then and largely still are today.
Canada is a socialist country but that does not automatically make us all cowards.

Chuck W on August 2, 2008 at 7:11 pm

Revolting. They basically locked the killer inside so he could behead his victim in peace.

Madame Vengier on August 3, 2008 at 2:13 pm

Reverse the situation:
Psychotic WHITE man beheads an Asian man,on a bus full of Asians =
IMMEDIATE national news,on the CBC,CBS,ABC,NBC,MSLSD,CNN,every disgrace that we’re told is a “major” newspaper,and onnnn and onnnnnnnnn, with endless Leftist/Marxisr preachings about Intolerance and Racism,because a White Man did it.
Psychotic ASIAN man does same thing on bus full of Whites =
brief mentions at best,then quickly tossed down Memory Hole and burned, never happened.

OldSchoolW on August 3, 2008 at 2:47 pm

This is how people react when there is no sense of “community”. No one feels that this is their neighborhood, their town, or their country anymore. If Westerners settled it, it belongs to EVERYBODY.

John Harper on August 3, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Um.. if Canadians carried guns, the killer would have had one, and he would have shot the victim as well as everybody else on the bus. The gun argument only works if only some of the people (namely the good guys) have guns.

fucku2 on August 3, 2008 at 4:22 pm

When I first heard about this story, my first thought was “why didn’t anyone step in to help?”
Obviously, this is a tragedy. Yet to paint all Canadians with the same brush, and make this an American vs Canadian debate is grotesque and insensitive. It’s a “what if” scenario. You know, kind of like “they may have weapons of mass destruction”. “Americans would have saved him”. Why, because they have guns. After reading the play by play scenario that occured,there may have been merely nano seconds to save the dying man.
All we can do is send our thoughts and condolences to the family, friends, and witnesses. These people need support, and not to be further second guessed by their actions or inaction. There are three sides to every story, and unless you were there in the immediacy of the situation, you cannot possibly know what you would do, or how you would do it.

vinylgirl on August 3, 2008 at 4:57 pm

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