November 21, 2011, - 3:38 pm

Obama’s “Liberal Democrats”: Libya’s “Springtime” Arabs Cut Off Qaddafi Son’s Fingers; But He’ll Get “Fair Trial”

By Debbie Schlussel

I told you this would happen.

Let’s hear it for the “civilized” “liberal democrats [small “l,” small “d”] that Barack Obama ushered into power in Libya.  They captured Qaddafi son, Seif Al-Islam, and already chopped off three of his fingers.  But don’t pay attention to that because Barack Obama and the Wall Street Journal’s favorite Shi’ite, Fouad Ajami, say the new “Springtime for Arabs” Libyans are like Patrick Henry, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson.

Thanks, Obama!: Libya’s Islamic Democrats/Amputators in Action on Qaddafi Son

Yup, these “freedom-loving democrats” already chopped off  his fingers, will probably sodomize him endlessly.  But, no worries, they are the “new Libyans” who will give him a fair trial.  So, what was it they were telling us about Muammar Qaddafi being a barbarian?  This is civilized? Aren’t ya glad billions in American firepower was used to hand over Libya to these wonderful “Jeffersonian” Muslim savages? And you think America’s Muslims are different from the Libyan ones because . . . ? Newsflash: they ain’t no different.

Libyan rebels reportedly cut 3 fingers off the right hand of Saif al Islam al Qaddafi, son of Libyan former leader Qaddafi, after they arrested him 2 days ago.

Rebel sources said Saif was captured in the Obari region south of Libya, where he was preparing to flee to Niger. He was discovered in an old house with twelve companions including the son of Libyan former security forces’ chief, Al Sanousi.

Saif apparently did not resist even though he and his group had guns. He surrendered calmly but appeared to be fearful of being killed in the same way his father and brother were killed one month ago.

Saif, 39, appeared in photos and video with what appeared to be heavily bandaged fingers. He told a TV channel that he was injured by a NATO attack.

The current Libyan rulers asked the rebels to treat Saif as a prisoner of war and not to abuse him but it appears that they cut off his fingers in retaliation for the numerous times Saif had threatened Libyans opposing his father’s rule by jabbing his finger in the air or at the people “in a threatening, insulting and provocative manner.”


A Libyan rebel said that his colleagues cut off three fingers of the right hand of Saif Al Islam, surviving son of late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

He did so, allegedly because Saif pointed his finger at the rebel in a threatening manner.

Meanwhile ‘Al Mashahad Al Leeby’ programme in a joint broadcast with ‘Libya TV’ and ‘Libya FM’ reported that Abdullah Al Zentan said he personally witnessed the “cuting off of the fingers of Saif Al Islam”.

Religion of peace, right? How much did we spend to hand Libya over to these barbarians? Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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Look at the blood and treasure we’ve spent trying to democratize these people. Democracy is an alien concept to them just as Islam is an alien concept to us. There are reasons nations have borders. Yes, you did warn us about all this. It was a futile effort from the beginning.

I can still see mosquito man Anderson Cooper’s glowing face when Egypt was being democratized. What a fool.

longshanks on November 21, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    longshanks, this IS Democracy in action. It is rule by the majority. Mob rule. Democracy. 51% majority rule.

    Dr Dale on November 21, 2011 at 7:35 pm

We’ve handed over Libya to Al Qaeda. And now we’re pressuring Egypt’s military rulers to stand down and hand the country over to the Muslim Brotherhood. No one can pretend ignorance. They all saw this coming and didn’t care!

NormanF on November 21, 2011 at 4:13 pm

As you and Rush say,this administration is totally incompetent.

Confederate South on November 21, 2011 at 4:16 pm

I’m not going to cry too much over what happen to Saif al-Islam. From what I’ve heard of him,what goes around,comes around.

G: That’s not the point here. The point is that these guys we put in power are not only NOT on our side (and we had an agreement with Qaddafi and got oil from him), but they are just as barbaric or worse than the Qaddafi crew. They are not liberals or democrats. RIF–Reading Is Fundamental. DS

Ghostwriter on November 21, 2011 at 4:46 pm

I bet he’s thanking his lucky stars nothing awful happened to him like being waterboarded.

I hope every one of these backwards countries has a “Spring” every bloody week until the last of the misogynistic, boy-buggering bunch dies.

Sadly, the Deceiver in Chief supports them + covers for them and we are sucked into a squabble amongst inbred murderous morons.

BD on November 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm

Debbie: you failed to mention, however, that Seif Al-Islam will be tried in Lybia, rather at the appropriate jurisdiction, due to the fact that he feared that he would not get a fair trial at the Seattle Municipal Court.

Ilya on November 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm

Someone probably put those fingers on bread to make a hand-wich.

CornCoLeo on November 21, 2011 at 5:24 pm

I’d like to hear more about Samantha Power’s hand in this ridiculous “Arab Spring” horror-show! Being a big-hearted Liberal who is strongly adverse to genocide (yet, at the same time harbouring a strong loathing for Jews) she can’t actually think it was a success? I know the brain-dead Liberals think it was (good to see some things haven’t changed…being Liberal just means being emooooootional, I reckon, and NEVER doing research!) but being that she was actually sitting at the table when this trial-run at Israel was being planned, I’d love to know what she really thinks.

Also, I would also like to know if Liberals ever think of Lara Logan? I wonder if Lara Logan *REALLY* battles in her mind about what true Islam is about?

The Liberals have forgotten what has happened to Lara Logan and they prolly love to forget about “Arab Spring” BUT not because they are looking at it realistically (because Liberals DON’T live in Reality-ville) but they are so used to not having to really know something and let their retarded “Leaders” tell them how to think.

But then again, look at OWS. It took two months to show that all they love and believe in will NEVER work and failed very miserably. A complete failure. But the Left and the media will never admit to that. They killed their own Utopian plan!

And how many Americans *really* know (and want to know) the truth? That part is scaring me a lot lately. I thought Americans were smarter than that, I really did.

Skunky on November 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm

Not particularly interested in a reply, but it is curious how many of the comments on here attack “liberals” as if they are soley part of the problem. Someone in this comment string (NormanF) mentioned how Libya was put in the hands of Al Qaeda, but there are countless administrations, both Republican and Democrat that have destabilized a region and created “blowback”. It would be nice to see thoughtful commentary that actually reflects actual knowledge of history and politics instead of right wing rhetoric. Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong place, my bad…

Firstly, how soon we all forget. The invasion of Iraq under the pretext of “weapons of mass destruction” merely lead to transitioning a Sunni run country to Shia. I think we know that Iran is Shia. This was the first flaw in our Mid East foreign policy. We (right wingers and left wingers) DO NOT want an Iraq and Iran Shia alliance. Bush II made this happen. Conservatives have to understand that this happened at the hands of Bush II and was a huge mistake. Anyone around during the 80’s remembers Iraq and Iran being locked in a protracted war where both sides lost millions of lives. This was actually good for the U.S. Afghanistan will be reflected upon as a marginal success at best, doomed form the start. Let’s not forget that Bush had fewer troops under his tenure than police officers with the NYPD. Objectively speaking, if Obama is so incompetent, than how did he manage to kill Bin Laden and that other idiot in Yemen, increase the number of troops in the place we needed to be in the first place and not to mention tripling drone attacks over Bush II. Pulling out of Iraq was an agreement which predates his presidency.

Islam isn’t the reason this idiot got his fingers chopped off anymore than Christianity is the reason why Dahmer ate a kidney. His treatment of the Libyan people is the reason for it if anything. In much the same way that his father and brother were taken off the planet. Any people who are oppressed and taken advantage of will visit a horrible vengeance upon those who keep and torment them, if given the chance. To simplify this as a function of religion or race is to reveal your own ignorance rather than to provide anyone reading with real facts.

It doesn’t appear that anyone here knows the spark that started the revolution in Libya. It started with a market owner being so furious and frustrated with unfair taxes that he doused himself with gasoline and lit himself on fire. Anyone on here familiar with unfair taxes? In many ways these people and their beliefs COULD be quite similar to our own. Our revolution was violent and brutal. Our civil war was the worst conflict we have ever had as a country.

Who cares what these folks do with this terd. His father bankrolled the Pan Am bombing. I see it as justice. I hope he gets the rest of his fingers cut off, his toes too. Love the comment about “hand sandwich”, brillilant!

This blog has become a place for bigots to commiserate. It’s unfortunate, because the topics have weight, but they are lightened by the gathering of fools

crazytrain on November 21, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    CrAzY, you indeed are crazy. Anything to keep believing the same Liberal crap that IF you really looked at it objectively, you would realize it’s a bunch of um-gala-gala.

    I think most here DO realize that GWB going into Iraq and NOT fighting Islam as we should in this century is the *REAL* mistake. Instead, we are trying to force-feed them Democracy which is like putting pants on a Mermaid. The Russians are not keen on Democracy so I have no idea why Westerners think the Mooooooslims would love it?

    IF you really think Obama is behind all that is being done to kill the Jihadis, you REALLY don’t know ZerObama.

    LOL and your willful ignorance on Islam is the funniest part of your earnest yet sad post. You. Don’t. Get. It. Oh sure, you think you do but you DON’T.

    And EVERYONE here knows that the spark started in TUNISIA. I don’t care about the human-torch because he may have started the fire but the MB and Al-Queda have hi-jacked (as they are wont to do in any ME conflict) what have *maybe* started out as an ernest movement in Tunisia (but never could have ever stayed ernest). The vendor does not matter anymore ESPECIALLY with the type of dominoes falling.

    LOL. Gotta laugh at a fool like YOU who gets stuck on a flaming veggie vendor when the real flames and heat are all about MB and Al-Queda and all other jihadi entities that will help them dominate and make the ME even more of a satanic hell-hole than it already is.

    Liberals like YOU always get stuck on the silly, shiny thing. That’s what a mental disorder is all about. You’re still on veggies and we are looking to the Caliphate, which you seem to think is a cauliflower!

    Skunky on November 21, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    See my reponse below. You’re one of the dolts I mentioned.

    Con Chef (NB) on November 21, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Reading your posts reminds me of what happens when an overdose of Percodan is taken. There is a mighty flow of verbal diarrhea, but not much content.

    worry01 on November 22, 2011 at 2:59 pm

To those that continue to blame Bush(2) for the war…you’re delusional. We’ve been at war with Islam for a very long time.
Do yourself a favor…google President Thomas Jefferson Barbary Pirates (for starters). Do you know that Jefferson had a qur’an interpreted…from Arabic to English…providing insightful information as to what made this enemy ‘tick’?

As for O(b)ama taking down O(s)ama (notice the BS there)….again, you’re delusional. Osama was as dead as a doornail long before Obama’s fiasco. Hence, THE BURIAL AT SEA!

To the dip that insists that Saddam Hussein had no WMD’s:
GOOGLE THE PICTURES OF THE KURD MASSACRE..via Saddam’s arsenal of poisonous gas. What…did you think it was laughing gas?

By the way…I was a registered/card-carrying Democrat for 40+ years. ‘Was’…is the keyword. Independent now!
**Happy Holidays & Many Blessings To All**

Bill on November 21, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    The truth is pandering to Islam can be found on both sides of the political divide. We’re not dealing with adherents of a moderate or a liberal philosophy. If the Islamic parties were anything like the Christian Democrats, we would have nothing to worry about. We do have plenty to worry about and the truth is people just don’t want to see it.

    NormanF on November 21, 2011 at 8:59 pm

Its not all Obama’s fault, you’re correct he pursued policies began under Bush that weakened Arab regimes that had kept the Islamists repressed. And you had clueless Republicans who believed the Libyan rebels were democrats instead of being the Islamic extremists they were. That said, Obama is taking things further along by training and financing Islamist parties to win elections throughout the Middle East. Democracy won’t happen there but the Sixth Caliphate will be a reality. As for your comments about the Libyan revolutionaries, while I don’t shed tears for Qaddafi’s son – the barbarism of these people is on display for all to see. None of us are having any illusions about what the future holds. Its dark and its going to get worse. Too bad the West and America are living in denial about what’s happening in the Middle East and its fair to say they brought all this on themselves.

NormanF on November 21, 2011 at 8:52 pm

Crazytrain, you haven’t been here long enough, so you’re only assuming that Debbie is being a partisan hack on this issue, whereas in reality is NOT a partisan shill for the GOP or the conservative establishment. Bro, if you were here way back in March, Debbie called out Republicans and conservative commentators on the Libya issue, ie, Sean Hannity, John McCain, Mitch McConnell (I assume if I’m not mistaken) that Obama has to go into Libya and get rid of Gadhafi, etc. As for Iraq (ironically you bought up Iraq and this article has NOTHING to do with Iraq), with us going into there, Iran was the big winner in which it created a larger “Persia”.

Also Crazytrain, DS gave Obama alot of credit for killing OBL, she wasn’t playing partisan politics (like how you did in one of your sentiments) at the time. As for Al-Alwalki and Samir Khan, Obama was slightly wrong on killing them, the reason is is because both Al-Alwalki and Khan were “US citizens” and should’ve been tried in US courts, and yes both Khan and Al-Alwalki worked for al-qeada and stabbed this country in the back and were complete “Benedict Arnold’s”, but as I said, the two of them were american citizens and should’ve been tried in american courts for joining al-qeada, etc.

And thanks for calling me, Debbie and all of us that comments on this blog bigots and fools (truth is all of us that comments here are open-minded, well educated, and living in the real world and see reality for what it is). Debbie Schlussel to her own credit is giving out all of the investigative facts on what’s happening around us all, these are all FACTS bro, there NOT so-called “right wing rhetoic” as you claimed buster. Quit being an assclown and quit being a partisan shill-lackey!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on November 21, 2011 at 8:53 pm


I don’t care if terrorists are American citizens or not, they should be taken out. I don’t agree with Obama on much but it seems to be that’s the one thing he’s gotten right. Terrorists don’t deserve a trial. They’re unique evil and by their plotting to murder the rest of us, they forfeit the right to call on the protections of a civilized society. They should be killed whenever and wherever its possible. The Constitution in a word, is not a suicide pact.

NormanF on November 21, 2011 at 9:04 pm

Study before you speak.
Your war in Libya was very different than th War Beteen the States
Our War has been waged long after Appotomattox.

Confederate South on November 21, 2011 at 9:09 pm

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”…Patrick Henry

Yep. Sounds JUST like the freedom loving participabts of the “Libyan/Arab Spring, if I’VE ever heard it. What a load of crap. Yeah, its a shame Ronnie missed Qadaffi by a whisker. But in light of our actions in Iraq, Qadaffi shut down his nuke/WMD program. And now we find out, according to some reports, that the WMD/nuke program Qadaffi DID have was mostly stuff Saddam practically GAVE to him so as to avoid our finding it. And the rest of what DIDN’T make it to Libya was stashed across the pourous border between Syria & Iraq. In Marcus Luttrell’s book, “Lone Survivor,” he talks about his team finding 2 vans thought to contain some of Saddam’s mobile centrifuges, abandoned on the Syrian border. “Whatever was in there had been removed, and in a hurry.”

I’ll take the word of a SEAL over that of some revisionist historical dreck peddler seeking to tell me there were no WMDs in Iraq. What?After Saddam gassed the Kurds, he just GOT RID of the rest of those munitions afterwards? After the Israelis blew the crap outta Osirak, he just GAVE UP trying? He just had all that yellowcake uranium because he thought it was a baking ingredient? In the words of Keyshawn Johnson, “C’mon, man!”

And now we find that tons of gas weapons are loose in Libya. A Libya where the al Qaeda flag flies. In addition to the barely scrapped nuke facilities? We have given air support & undoubtedly Delta Force/CIA Special Activities Division training, funding, support & possibly arms to yet another enemy sworn to our destruction.

This WILL cone back to bite us in the ass. TRUST me. And it’ll make Pan Am 103 look like an appetizer.

Con Chef (NB) on November 21, 2011 at 10:06 pm

Confederate South, you clearly miss the point. You can’t judge how these people choose to exact revenge on their tormentors, and I personally could care less as to the citizenry of a terrorist. I appreciate others feeling the need to bring U.S. terrorists to court instead of offing them outright, but frankly I like that this President is all for fireing hell fire missiles down the chimnies of terrorists wherever they may be. It took balls to call that play on OBL and it came from the top. Trying to take that from the man clearly shows a distain for OUR president when he makes decisions that we ALL should admire.

It’s a fact that every president inherits the policies of the previous one, and this president inherited two wars and a shitty economy from an incompetent president who was a failure at every venture he had prior to holding office. How soon we forget. Bush II nearly detroyed the founding concepts of this country, reinterpreted constitutional matters that would’ve shocked the founding fathers and had no control over his vice president, who was actually the one in charge. As for the WMD in Iraq, it goes without saying they had chemicals, that wasn’t the issue. The issue was the pretext that they were seeking nuclear capability, which as we now know was BS, and was BS from the onset. Interestingly enough, we also knew that Iran was doing the same thing prior to 2003, but we certainly didn’t invade that country. The level of islamaphobia is unreal. while you remain distracted about a terrorist under every bed, China is taxing the U.S. for money we borrowed from them to fight wars in lands that would be irrelevant if we simply divested. Since when did it become smart to borrow money from a communist country? It’s an insult to the blood spilled in Vietnam, Korea and the countless patriots who toiled during the cold war.

I digress. I personally could care less if you’re left or right leaning, just don’t sound like Archie Bunker when you’re making your point. It sounds stupid and diminsihes the value the topic.

crazytrain on November 21, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Yuck. CrAzYtrain you are silly and boring. Your talking points prove what a moron you are.

    The fact that you think the BIG ZERO had anything to do with taking out Jihadis PROVES that you just don’t get it. Hell, after 3 years you still think BHO is the Potemkin construct that he clearly NEVER was. (Do you still dream of those faux, Greek columns?)

    And if you really knew this site (as Sean pointed out) you would know what DS has said about GWB…and it is NOT good. It’s truthful, but it is NOT about giving him credit or quarter. In fact you BDS sufferers would be CREDIBLE if you took it to GWB as DS rightly does.

    And as someone who has been keeping a keen eye on this charlatan President of YOURS, I will NOT giving him credit when I know that this fool, with his Marxist/Islamo-pandering track-record CANNOT be behind the stuff that is taking it to the Jihadis during his destructive administration. Someone is going over HIS dumb head…and it’s more to save his dumb ass than OURS!

    And there is ALWAYS something that leaks out that PROVES he is merely a puppet when push comes to shove regarding these Jihadi matters.

    Joke is on you CrAzYbrain! Your buddy Prez would not even give you the time of day. He’s a cold narcissist. You ain’t gonna get any lovin’ from that type of bastard no matter how you try to put your lovin’ arms around that cold beast!

    Skunky on November 22, 2011 at 12:03 am


    After reading your post, I say it is good to know that even the mentally handicapped read Debbie’s blog.

    Let me explain this in short easy words so your special ed teacher can explain it to you.

    Obama (he is the president of the US) supported the rebels in Libya, saying that they were nice, and would give Libya democracy and said they were nicer than Ghadaffi. They gained control over the country of Libya, and now they are as bad or worse than Ghadaffi. They are cutting body parts off of their opponents, including fingers, arms, and that one inch thing between your legs. They also want to impose (that means force) Sharia law (ask your teacher what that is), which is a very mean form of law that does not agree with democracy or a fair court system.

    Now, go outside and play, but make sure you put your helmet on before you do in case you fall off of the swing set.

    Jonathan E. Grant on November 22, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Hey CrazyAss here don’t let these facts get in the way of your ficition telling you dumbass!

    Next up, we have the line that tax cuts blew the lid off of our deficit. That’s funny, because during the last year a Republican budget controlled Congress (fiscal year 2007), the deficit stood at a minuscule $161 billion dollars. $161 billion! That’s at least five years into the tenure of those evil tax cuts. And as previously reported, federal tax receipts actually went up while the tax cuts were accelerating. In other words, the United States Treasury received more money not less because of the Bush tax cuts that we’re told ruined America’s economy.

    See for yourself:

    $1.88 trillion in 2004

    $ 2.15 trillion in 2005

    $ 2.4 trillion in 2006

    $ 2.6 trillion in 2007

    The last figure was actually the highest dollar amount brought into the Treasury Department… ever. That’s right, folks. While Democrats wail and whine about tax cuts as the main culprit for this country’s deficit woes, it turns out that we were bringing in bagfuls of money at historic proportions during that same time.

    Doug M on November 25, 2011 at 4:34 pm

Thank you Skunky
Hey crazytrain,clearly missed the point, I think you missed the point a long time ago. As DS, Skunky, and I would say to your face, do your research because you are one lost duck.

You are as lost as those bums are who are with the Occupy Wall Street movement and they are really lost.

Confederate South on November 22, 2011 at 12:39 am

To Crazytrain: ‘It would be nice to see thoughtful commentary that actually reflects actual knowledge of history and politics instead of right wing rhetoric. Perhaps I’m looking in the wrong place, my bad…’

You took the words right out of my mouth. Your scattergun approach to the topic reveals an intention of demeaning the site with ad hominem attacks instead of debating the subject matter. Addressing the thread please let us know what part of right wing rhetoric the behaviour of the NATO backed rebels fitted into when they randomly and viciously slaughtered the Black African migrants working in Libya. Proof of beheadings can be viewed on You Tube. Do you think the nu-govt sent out communiques to African families waiting back home for news of their loved ones, hardly. Why didn’t the WH incumbent call a halt to this evil carry-on, he holds the power.

When the autopsy of the Arab Spring is done, it will be concluded that the blessing for the ME chaos started with the Cairo speech(2009) of Barack Hussein Obama who orchestrated the presence of the MBH. This gave them the first taste of power. Never before in American history has any president stood on the international dias apologising for America’s behaviour. Never before has any American president sided with the Muslims as this one has done and the facts speak for themselves. He has taken BILLIONS out of the fragile USA taxpayers pockets to hand over to the Arabs starting with 1 Billion to Yemen.

‘This blog has become a place for bigots to commiserate’. You’ve certainly offloaded a sack full of unadulterated tosh and before you go off on Islamophobia please ask yourself why travellers are being inconvenienced by large doses of radiation to look into their underpants and diapers. Must be something one of these ‘bigots’ expounded on…..

Eyes Wide Open on November 22, 2011 at 2:20 am

For all the ‘commiserating bigots’, something off subject but of interest


An interesting letter in the Australian Shooter Magazine this week:

“If you consider that there has been an average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq Theater of operations during the past 22 months, and a total of 2112 deaths, that gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington , DC is 80.6 per 100,000 for the same period. That means you are about 25 per cent more likely to be shot and killed in the US capital which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the U..S., than you are in Iraq .

Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington

Facts not opinions…..

Eyes Wide Open on November 22, 2011 at 3:09 am

Bravo Eyes! Your posts were fabulous! Direct hit and so very true!

Skunky on November 22, 2011 at 10:15 am

“And you think America’s Muslims are different from the Libyan ones because . . . ? Newsflash: they ain’t no different.”
You just loooove to generalize people don’t you? It is absolutely fine if you do it but if someone else say anything about Jews you jump up right on it and call people anti Semitic.

James on November 22, 2011 at 11:28 am

    That’s because Jews don’t fly planes into building & blow up pizza shops thinking that “allah” will grant them 72 virgins in paradise,James, you useful infidel, you!

    Good Islamophile. Now bow & face east. Its about that time, ain’t it?

    Con Chef (NB) on November 22, 2011 at 11:45 am

    James (the dhimm-bulb),

    If Libya were populated by Jews (or Christians, or Buddhists, or Zoroastrians, or Hindus), they wouldn’t have had a brutal Muslim dictator for 40 years and wouldn’t have just been taken over by an even more brutal, anti-civilization “government” of Muslim savages. It is the religion, stupid, and that religion is incompatible with the democracy our Christian Founding Fathers set up.

    And the same barbarians who fled their savage Muslim nations to come here to America to plunder are no more civilized than the barbarians who just took over Libya. After all, they practice the same barbaric religion.

    John M on November 22, 2011 at 11:53 am

James, here’s you’re sentiment:

“You just loooove to generalize people don’t you? It is absolutely fine if you do it but if someone else say anything about Jews you jump up right on it and call people anti Semitic.”

James you are indeed a doofus, where in this article did Debbie EVER said that “all American-Muslims are like they rebel’s in Libya”? She never said anything like that buster, she’s only giving a “reference” on how some-to-most muslims in this country behave on their thinking and behavior. Did you also notice that a good number of muslims in this country support islamic terrorist organizations overseas (notice I said a good number of them, NOT all muslims), that is a fact and DS has given out these facts in previous columns.

And since you claimed that your a jewish person, from you’re comments your more of a leftist jew (and a kapo) who would take the side of our enemies who will behead you and throw you’re lifeless body down into the gutter. Dude, you need to WAKE THE HELL UP before it’s too late, you’re naivette is killing us all!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on November 22, 2011 at 11:44 am

Idiots, American Muslims were forced to come to America over 300 years ago and help build this country with their blood. There are good and bad African Americans but you will be bigot if you say all are the same. Ohh, you did not know that large percentage of slaves were Muslims? Now you know!! How can you compare Muslim American group to Libya if they have been here for over 300 years? Are you the kind of persons who tell their kids “all black people are same or all Spanish people are the same” sad that your kids have grow in hating environments. It’s always us vs. them mentality. Isn’t that tiring to walk around hating everything?

James on November 22, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    James, you’re clearly a revivionist and a propagandist, for you to say that American Muslims were forced to come this country over 300 years ago is a LIE! Bro you got it all mixed up and backwards, it was black african slaves who were forced to come to this country over 300 years ago, NOT muslims. In case you didn’t know, the arab-muslims in africa were the original slave traders by selling black africans to white europeans, etc. and go ahead and start libeling and defaming me James, because I happen to be african-american/black myself! And here’s you’re stupid and moronic statement:

    “It’s always us vs. them mentality. Isn’t that tiring to walk around hating everything?”

    You really are a stupid putz James, you need to WAKE THE F**K UP (sorry for the foul language) and see the real world for what it really is you useful idiot, you moron! I am really annoyed and ticked off of people like you James and you’re gullible and foolish ilk, moronic people like yourself are the reason why this country is being dragged down from within, the reason is you imbeciles cannot grasp the truth and facts if it nailed you straight in the face.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on November 22, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Little Jimmy, we do not subscribe to race based religious affiliations here. A Muslim ancestor from three hundred years ago does not make their descendants Muslims. Also, chances are an Arab middleman was responsible for selling off his fellow(black) Muslims to infidels for a tidy profit back then. Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina, did not even bother to outlaw slavery until the 1960’s.

    Also, Islam had a very small footprint in the United States until the early 20th century when Lebanese migrants started flowing in for assembly line work in places such at Dearborn, Michigan. That was definitely not one of the brighter things Henry Ford did.

    worry01 on November 22, 2011 at 3:15 pm

      To WorryO1:’Also, Islam had a very small footprint in the United States until the early 20th century when Lebanese migrants started flowing in for assembly line work in places such at Dearborn, Michigan. That was definitely not one of the brighter things Henry Ford did.

      Henry Ford knew exactly what he was doing. Please read below.
      ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the twentieth century.
      Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.

      Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was Hitler’s primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his “warrant for genocide.”

      And so dear Worry01, therein lies the tale of Dearborn and Henry Ford. These same Protocls are bed time reading in the Muslim countries together with Mein Kampf. If you ever read any of John Loftus books, you’ll realise that Hitler was supported by a large number of influential Americans. One third of American history has been classified, lying in 20 acres of guarded property. Americans had better start joining the dots of history otherwise the legacy left for future generations will be the crumbs of their forefathers.

      EWO: I’ve already written numerous times on this site that Henry Ford brought the Lebanese–AND the Yemenis–to America. But John Loftus is a lying nutjob. You must wake up to his fraud. He’s a complete con artist, and his stuff about Americans who supported Hitler is unoriginal. I’ve written about some of his many deceits here:

      Eyes Wide Open on November 22, 2011 at 3:57 pm

        Thank you for that link DS. I have often wondered what happened to John Loftus…and recently I tried to recall his name and couldn’t.

        I first heard of him back in 2002/2003 when I USED to listen to the “Batchelor and Alexander” show. He seemed credible and then when I did some research on him he seemed kooky…then he seemed to fall off the face of the earth. I had wondered “What Ever Happened To?”.

        And another blast-from-the-past was Hussein Ibish…briefly mentioned in that link. LOL! He used to give me fits back during that same period when I USED to watch “The O’Reilly Factor”.

        My, how the world has turned since then!

        Skunky on November 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm

        DS: Apologies, I wasn’t aware of your previous postings and my like minded thoughts which I posted yesterday. With regard to John Loftus, your opinion is well received. An old saying ‘ Better to be a fool once in your life, than for the rest of your life’. Contents taken on board.

        Eyes Wide Open on November 23, 2011 at 2:35 am

    Folks, we have some real headcases here today, like CrazyTrain and James, who gets Muslims and African blacks confused.

    Muslims in America are a very recent event. Contrary to what Nobama says, Muslims did not build America. They did not invent much in recent times (or in the past–most achievements in the Muslim world were accomplished by Jews). Other than Danny Thomas, there have been no great Arabs in America, particularly those of Arab descent.

    No, what Muslims have done is blow up buildings, kill innocent civilians, commit welfare fraud, attack synagogues, and generally leach off America.

    Jonathan Grant on November 22, 2011 at 3:41 pm

      Jon, when their role model is Nidal Malik Hasan, they don’t have much to crow about.

      I agree with your observations about Libya and let’s just say the Middle East is going to be like that very soon. Any one who had liberal expectations about the Arab Spring has had the shock of encountering the fact the Arabs are the exception to the rest of the world. This is not 1989 in Europe. The revolutions in the Arab World have led to a different result.

      I don’t know why any one expected them to like us and it bears repeating they are the same here only they are skilful at hiding their extremism in our society. That’s the way it will remain for the foreseeable future.

      NormanF on November 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm

The more things change in the Arab world, the more they stay the same.

I think Debbie has a good point here. What Arab dictator is going to rely on American assurances after this and Egypt?

The Israelis have to be looking at this and wondering what U.S. guarantees are really worth. If we can’t back assurances to an OPEC nation, who can trust us?

Recently, the U.S. announced the sale of bunker-buster bombs to the UAE. All these years of American politicians touting the maintenance of “Israel’s qualitative military advantage” over its enemies is once again on display as lacking credibility.

There is NO Santa Claus on November 22, 2011 at 1:17 pm

Backing Israel or any ME country is doom. Israel holds this country by the balls and the ME holds the other end by the throat. Holding hands with either will ultimately bring us down. They are now, and always will be locked in a petty race/religous war that predates this great country by thousands of years. That everyone is so anti islamic reveals how blind you are to how dangerous our alliance with Israel is and always will be. Making a nation for the Jews was a foreign policy flaw. As for the attempts by Libya, Tunisia, Syria, and Egypt to wrestle independents from their own respective dicatatorships, these countries will inevitably replace their governments with the same type of government. What is most important, is that they continue to manage their own issues as independantly as posible. most of these repsonses are comparative to giving the bird in traffic. Folks hiding behind DS to give the finger. Bunch of cowards. It’s ironic that the Jewish and Christian religions seems to get a pass on being “non violent”. Ever heard of the Crusades..? The Muslims got screwed more than not during that era. Saladin brokered peace with Christians, invited Jews back to resettle in the city and gave quarter to Crusaders after they lost. The notion that all or most muslims are blood thirsty, brainwashed lunatics is a function of Fox news more than any book reading. Most Muslims are like most Christians, secular and pray to Allah when they think they’re in trouble. No doubt there will be a a borage of more dumb commentary. Grist for my mill…

crazytrain on November 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    CrAzYbrain, you clearly ARE a nutter. And raging Jew hater.

    Everyone here should just ignore your ass. Go waste the time of the fools on Stormfront. You have your beliefs but you don’t follow reason. Fancy you on trying to lecture to so-called “haters”.

    Skunky on November 22, 2011 at 5:21 pm

Sorry Skunky, but I cannot let crazytrain’s last post go unchallenged.


You write on November 22, 2011 at 4:59 pm:

“Backing Israel … is doom. Israel holds this country by the balls ….”

How so? Any examples?

What, nothing?

That’s what I thought.

You also write in the same post:

“Making a nation for the Jews was a foreign policy flaw.”

Why? How? First, Why shouldn’t the Jewish people have a state of their own? Second, how is having a Jewish state that has made major advances in so many fields a foreign policy flaw? (If you don’t believe me on this last point, I can provide some evidence to back this up.)

Also, (according to you) having a Jewish State is a foreign policy flaw, but yet having twenty plus Muslim States is not? True, you stated some criticism of the Muslim States, but I have not seen you go so far as to say that having even so much as one Muslim state–let alone twenty plus of them–was/is a foreign policy flaw. And from 1920 through the present, what positive contribution–let alone adding an “s” to that–have they made? All I have seen from them have been their unneceesary, unjust, immoral, illegal and evil war against Israel as well as their waging war against other non-Muslim states as well as against each other for various different reasons (it didn’t start with the “Arab Spring”). So therefore, a stronger case can be made that the one Jewish State (Israel) should stay and the Muslim States should disappear than the other way around.

JeffE on November 22, 2011 at 10:27 pm


I wrote my 10:27 pm post before I saw Debbie’s latest (as of this writing) post (On Suha Arafat). So Crazytrains’s answer to my first question is basically spewing the Arabists’ discredited BS line on U.S. policy on Israel which was in turn answered by the various readers there.

However, crazytrain, it still leaves part of my second paragraph and all of my third paragraph unanswered.

JeffE on November 22, 2011 at 11:14 pm

Excellent post as usual, Debbie.

JeffE on November 22, 2011 at 11:28 pm

Crazytrain & James: I understand that you may have watched the “Zeitgeist” series like I had, and I suspect that you have taken everything that has been said in these films WAY TOO FUCKING SERIOUSLY!

As of right now, I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop in Algeria (the land of my late father – Of Most Blessed Memory), Morocco and Mauritania. And the Caliphate of the West – I mean, the United States of North Africa – will be complete.

I wonder what Alex Jones has to say on this? Do you guys have any answers? After all, is not the place for reliable, truthful information?

The Reverend Jacques on November 23, 2011 at 4:15 am

Why can’t the Jews and Arabs be more like Christ?….

SB: Um, Christ was a Jew, moron. And we Jews don’t do this crap. This was Muslim on Muslim violence. Typical. DS

Samson Babayan on November 23, 2011 at 1:31 pm


Why are they reporting that 3 of his fingers are cut off? From the picture, only 2 are. Stop such misreporting! Also, give credit where it’s due – previously, the rebels sodomized and lynched his father, whereas now, they’ll put the son before a kangaroo court before executing him. See, they are improving!

Anyway, Libya is already lost (again) but the good news is – Syria still has the Assads, and what is escalating there is a civil war. Hopefully, Hizbullah sends all their fighters there, because if the Assad regime falls, the Shia domination of Lebanon will be replaced by a Sunni one, and Israel will have 3 Muslim brotherhood neighbors – Syria/Lebanon, Hamastan and Egypt. Rather than that, it’s a lot better if all Shia fighters – Hizbullah, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and the Badr Brigades of Moqtada al Sadr all pour into Syria, and on the other side, Turkey & Saudi Arabia send in as many Sunni fighters from their favorite groups – Hamas, Fatah, and so on. In order to prevent Sunnis from having a cakewalk – and this is important – the objective in Syria is to have a stalemate in a civil war and suck in jihadis – both Shia & Sunni – from everywhere – in order to prevent Sunnis from having a cakewalk, make sure that Turkey & Saudi Arabia are distracted. Iran should encourage the PKK in Turkey, as well as another rebellion in Bahrein following a report released on the repression earlier this year. Maybe even an Iranian invasion. Let Iran & Saudi Arabia fight either a proxy or a real war in Bahrein, as well as one in Syria. That way, Saudi Arabia will be forced to draw in Sunni Jihadis from even other places, like Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, North Sudan, Tunisia, et al.

Remember – the goal here should be to have a permanent Alien vs Predator scenario in Syria so that jihadis are too busy slaughtering each other there to care about either building mosques or indulging in dawa here or elsewhere in the West.

Infidel on November 23, 2011 at 3:48 pm

Is there any one out there who thinks that Malta is a Muslim state?

They think they are catholics and part of the European Union. If they are not perhaps they should be told

c hector on November 25, 2011 at 8:40 pm

Qaddafi son, Seif Al-Islam will be lucky if all he loses are a few fingers. The cruelty, savagery and sadism of the fanatical islamic cults is on a scale with the Comanche Indians and totally unimaginable to most mainstream Americans. For example how many Americans know that a large lucrative area of criminal activity in muslim Albania and Kosovo the past 10 years has consisted of trafficking in human organs… kidnapping young Christian Serbs and “pirating” their vital organs for resale on the transplant market. Can anyone imagine the suffering of those victims as they were kept in holding cells while having organs removed at convenient intervals until they expired. And even more unimaginable…many of our high profile RINO public servants: McCain, Gingrich, Bushes, Dole and many more ALL supported and lobbied in favor the destruction of Christian Serbia and the occupation of their lands in the 2nd coming of the Ottoman Empire…the islamo-marxist muslim brotherhood. They…the RINO’s…along with our very own islamo-marxist democrat party have literally consigned Eastern Europe to a 2nd coming of the Ottoman Empire.

joesixpack31 on November 29, 2011 at 2:50 pm

The people we have placed in command of our military and in charge of our treasury have squandered trillions of $$$’s to create a restored world wide OTTAMAN EMPIRE. The big question: Are Americans simply going to sit back and watch their politicians and public servants transform America into a “grand Fallujah” or are they going to take the ONLY meaningful action to regain their Constitutional Republic…a 20 million man march on Washington DC armed with pitchforks and shotguns??

joesixpack31 on November 29, 2011 at 3:17 pm

Debbie said: “Yup, these “freedom-loving democrats…………………………and will probably sodomize him endlessly.“ Uh…Maybe, if he has more sex appeal than their camels.

joesixpack31 on November 29, 2011 at 6:34 pm

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