May 31, 2012, - 10:15 am

Conduct Unbecoming: If You’re Breastfeeding, You Shouldn’t Be in US Armed Forces . . . Esp if You Pose Topless

By Debbie Schlussel

It’s official: we are Girlieman Nation USA. And it’s infected our Armed Forces.

It was bad enough when male U.S. soldiers were forced to wear fake wombs to feel what it’s like to be pregnant. But now we have breastfeeding chick “soldiers” posing topless, and somehow this isn’t conduct unbecoming? Now, I’m starting to see why gay soldiers wanted the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. They had to do their biz in secret, while these women–who have zero sense of decency or modesty–are letting it all hang out . . . while in uniform. As I’ve said before, if you are a woman with kids, you shouldn’t be in the U.S. Armed Forces. If you are nursing, you definitely shouldn’t be. And if you pose topless–whether you are nursing or not–while in the U.S. Air Force uniform, you should be court-martialed. Male soldiers have been dishonorably discharged for a lot less.

Conduct Unbecoming: US Air Force Natl Guard Exhibitionists Terran Echegoyen-McCabe & Christina Luna Should be Court-Martialed

If I were Al-Qaeda’s chief of propaganda, I’d e-mail the photo below far and wide to show how weak and silly America is. The woman on the right is at least a tad modest. The one on the left–nursing twins–is clearly an exhibitionist ho, and more important, there is absolutely NO way she can be nursing and raising twins and serving our military at the same time. Someone loses, and its probably the Air Force AND those kids. Everyone’s shafted but she gets her slutty exhibitionist fix satisfied. Their names are Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna, and they deserve to be named so that they can be shamed by Google forever (and constantly seen by weirdos with the sick fetish they just satisfied). Sadly, they also shame our brave U.S. men on the front lines. With women like this, I now understand why some people call it the Air Farce. We just got through Memorial Day, remembering the men who died for our freedom and . . . for this???

I’ve already figured out the problem with the chick with the twins and her boobs in full display, Terran Echegoyen-McCabe. She has two last names either because her own father had no testicles and agreed to his daughter’s hyphenated surname to please his masculine, shrewish wife. Or it’s because Ms. Echegoyen-McCabe, herself, is married to such a ball-less “man” and he gave in when she refused to take his surname without a silly hyphen.

These attention-whore chick “soldiers” claimed they did this as a public service promoting breast-feeding awareness. Riiiight. More like they did it to say, “Me-me-me-look-at-me-look-at-my-t–s.” Does anyone think that even one mother who wasn’t going to breastfeed is going to see this picture and say, Okay, I’ll do it. Nope. Won’t happen. We are already aware of breast-feeding. We don’t need your absurd public display to make us more aware. This is nothing more than a vanity photo. Period. But it will inspire more of the continued La Leche League breastfeeding-in-public terrorism that we don’t need. And it’s not the display becoming to anyone wearing the uniform of the United States Armed Forces.

Public displays of affection–even hand-holding–are forbidden while wearing the uniform. If a male soldier gets arrested for exposing himself while in uniform, he now has a precedent for claiming sexism, unless these women are disciplined.

The feminization and chickification of our soldiers’ ranks isn’t anything that’s made us stronger. Photos like this just make us a joke. But they are great for some sicko with a fetish for topless breastfeeding women to masturbate to. So, what makes these women different than those who pose for weird fetish magazines? Nothing.

And that’s the thing: these women have reduced the U.S. Air Force uniform to an accessory in a sexual fetish photo shoot.

Here’s more on this absurdity:

The picture shows two mothers, Terran Echegoyen-McCabe and Christina Luna, both in active service, nursing their babies on an Air Force base.

The striking image has seen a flurry of comments, from supporters who say breastfeeding is a ‘fundamental right’ to another who compared it to ‘defecating in uniform’.

The photos were taken for the Mom2Mom Breastfeeding Support Group, set up by a military wife and mother-of-three to raise awareness of all women’s rights to breastfeed in public. . . .

Robyn Roche-Paull, a lactation consultant and a U.S. Navy Veteran wrote a book and has a blog called Breastfeeding in Combat Boots which aims to make women’s position clearer while breastfeeding and serving their country.

As she writes: ‘There are NO polices or regulations in any of the military branches that either approve OR disapprove of breastfeeding in uniform.’

Well, that’s sad. Even sadder, they don’t have the guts to make this illegal.

The public affairs department at Fairchild Air Force Base did not respond to messages for comment.

Of course the Air Force didn’t respond. They are too wimpy to denounce inappropriate behavior while in uniform. We’ve become a nation of wimps where anything goes, especially if it surrenders to the feminist ridiculous.

Congrats, America. We’ve sunk to a new low. The ghost of Bin Laden: still having the last laugh.


Read these absurd Air Force regulations on breastfeeding from the site, “Breastfeeding in Combat Boots.” (Here’s a tip: if you have combat boots, you shouldn’t be a mom . . .and probably shouldn’t have a vagina.)


AF members who are breastfeeding or pumping remain eligible for field training, mobility exercises, and deployment. However, AFI 36-2110, Assignments, supports deferment from deployment for 6 months post partum. AF commanders may consider supporting deferment of deployment for breastfeeding mothers for 12 months post partum to ensure the full medical benefits of breastfeeding.


The AFMS encourages commanders’ modifications of these activities and/or work conditions for Airmen who are breastfeeding, when possible. Nonetheless, duty requirements may not always be compatible with exclusive breastfeeding. In these cases, the AF member must decide in consultation with her medical provider whether to attempt to continue breast-feeding and/or pumping breast milk. AF Form 469 is not the mechanism for documentation that an AF member is breastfeeding.

Getting a deferment because you are breastfeeding? Um, maybe you shouldn’t be in the Air Force. Do men get deferments like this? No. This is a military organization, not a spa or a nursery. These women clearly cannot serve AND breastfeed at the same time, especially when we are at war.

With BS like this, in the long run we will lose to the Islamic threat we face. The enemy doesn’t engage in this idiocy.

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117 Responses

It you want to start building your family, you should not be in uniform. There are plenty of private and public sector jobs that will accomodate you. A woman who has a young child must decide whether to neglect her child or her duties if she is actually a soldier, and not a disguised civillian in uniform. I consider this child neglect, if not abuse.

Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 10:37 am

I would also agree that the first woman could do that in a fetish porn magazine as a teaser shot without looking out of place. She is an exhibitionist.

Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 10:39 am

These women are as tacky as a community bulletin board and have no business being in the airforce. They should be courtmartialed.

BUT, hyphenated names do not NECESSARILY mean a castrated husband. At one time, particularly in England, a man who married a woman from a socially prominant family would sometimes add her family name to his. Think of Margaret Bourke-White, the photographer, or Gwen Ffrangcon-Davies, the actress.

Miranda Rose Smith on May 31, 2012 at 10:42 am

    That is not the case in the United States. Hyphenated names are a feminist fetish here. It is just a step below ignoring a husband’s existence entirely.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 10:44 am

I served ten years in the military and had a child. AFTER I came back from a stint overseas and had to endure humiliation from my male superiors for choosing to breastfeed when in the civilian side women can do it freely. It truly is amazing when I have to read and hear idiotic rhetoric from people like this that women shouldn’t be in the military if they plan on having a family. How is that any different than balancing a private sector job and a family? It says a lot about how backwards this nation is in the first place that we have to have laws to protect a woman’s natural right to breastfeed and then dumb bimbos like you want to take it away further by limiting who serves in the Armed Forces by their parental status alone. Please go exercise some birth control of your own and suck a dick.

gi_janearng on May 31, 2012 at 10:43 am

    I have a feeling that you are not who you claim to be gi-janearng. If you are, your final comment made Debbie’s point quite well about your sort. You are one crude individual who is indeed a disgrace to the uniform your wore and an even worse mother to the child you bore. However, I suspect you are not who you say you are, since cretins like yourself would have been shown the door.

    Also, spare us how you paid for your extras with sex acts. You seem to suggest this course of action in your final comment. Did you do this on duty?

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 10:54 am


    There is such a thing as decorum, discipline and standards. A military reflects its high ideals. The problem is allowing mom soldiers in the military is that it lowers all of the above. That may not be a problem in the kind of country we have today but its a perfect recruitment tool for Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists – look, the Americans are no longer so tough like they used to be!

    Between sensitivity training for guys to understand pregnant GIs and GI moms, its not exactly saying America is ready for battle. As Debbie wrote back in February, what are we running – armed forces or a social welfare agency? It gets more and more ridiculous and after seeing that photograph, the only thing I wonder is when we’ll really hit bottom! Again, that kinda stuff has NO place in our nation’s Armed Forces. Period.

    NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 12:37 pm

Being a soldier doesn’t mean that you give up what makes you essentially human, or we would prohibit men and women from having families and raising kids.

Also, calling breastfeeding “slutty” or “exhibitionist” is your bias, and not how most people view the mother/child relationship. I don’t know why you would so strongly denigrate what is a perfectly natural, perfectly healthy, demonstrably beneficial activity. The enemy doesn’t engage in this kind of “idiocy” because the enemy is inhuman and exposes a philosophy that is antithetical to what is good and natural about the family and family relationships.

Fritz on May 31, 2012 at 10:59 am

    It is a perfectly normal thing, but it is also a responsibility. Being a parent does entail making sacrifices. Choosing a career where you could be deployed abroad or perform hazardous tasks. These women will not face that most likely. Instead, they will be given duties that could have been performed by a civilian employee. It is an example of bloating the service with underperforming personnel. Someone else, without the encombrance of breastfeeding or constantly tending to an infant will have to take that woman’s place so she can be human. Should a unenbumbered soldier have to go on deployments again and again because the soldier that should have replaced them not is going to be sent anywhere with a nursing infant or toddler in tow. That sounds so very, very fair. Military budgets are finite, and that means recruitment ceilings are as well. Each soldier who cannot fully perform their duties forces another one to assume their load, while still drawing the pay they would have it fhey had. How nice! Finally, a dirty little secret about all this is that woman in the military do quite often get pregnant to avoid undesirable postings or duties. This opt out is of course not available to males.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 11:16 am


    Sex between a husband and wife is also a “perfectly natural, perfectly healthy, demonstrably beneficial activity.”

    Does that mean they should strip, like these exhibitionist sluts breastfeeding, on a park bench and have sex in public?

    People who think because something is “natural,” therefore it should be promoted in public, are fools. Some people need to learn logic.

    JM on May 31, 2012 at 11:29 am

Oh please, Worry1, spare me with the liberal baiting. I have my DD214 and you can easily file an FOIA request to prove my service and my honorable discharge. You and this twat above are the reasons why women have to be protected under federal and State laws to even breastfeed in public. Only fools who have issues with their own sexual nature can look at woman breastfeeding and be ashamed/embarrassed by it. Society has made a woman an object of sex and you both continue to do women a disservice by thinking we need to limit our options based on a perceived notion that we may become mothers. I read good ol’ Deb’s previous post on Jessica Lynch and her rantings (and yours) only prove you both have no clue about how things are done in the military, the regulations soldiers must go by and even the pressures that being in a combat zone can do to a soldier – MALE and FEMALE or the sacrifice many parents make to make sure their children are able to have a happy life while their parents serve in the military.

gi_janearng on May 31, 2012 at 11:10 am

    This is not baiting. You are entirely foul. Should we let others see how you address people:

    “Please go exercise some birth control of your own and suck a dick.”

    I stopped taking you seriously as an adult when you posted that. Even if you have an adult’s body, your mind has not advanced beyond the age of 13. You have really told me all that I need to know about you, and the value of your opinions. I will leave you to yourself, and will respond no more

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 11:28 am

From the article:
As she writes: ‘There are NO polices or regulations in any of the military branches that either approve OR disapprove of breastfeeding in uniform.

Simple reason for that – woman in combat is something that was approved during the Clinton Administration, and even then, it wasn’t foreseen that this would be a problem. They probably assumed that only single women would want to serve in combat, and are therefore now totally unprepared for this.

I too disdain hyphenated surnames. Either adopt the hubby’s surname, or keep your maiden name.

Infidel on May 31, 2012 at 11:17 am

You’re right about our military becoming less fearsome with the more women we have in it. There should be restrictions on what you can publicly do in uniform too. Seeing this really discourages me.

Ed H on May 31, 2012 at 11:18 am

Infidel, stop believing everything you read and do some research of your own. There are policies in place to make sure women AND MEN aren’t going around willy nilly in combat and getting laid. There are also regulations spelling out that women who are pregnant are not placed in a theatre of combat operations, as they are classified as non-deployable and remain so during their post-partum leave. Ms. Schlussel’s rantings would have you believe that there are women in Iraq breastfeeding. This I can assure you, is not the case.

gi_janearng on May 31, 2012 at 11:24 am

    If gijane really is who she claims, she is an outstanding example of the deterioration of our armed forces. If we didn’t have such superior technology we’d be in great danger.

    skzion on May 31, 2012 at 9:51 pm

Thank you Debbie. I saw this and thought….OMG! They’re actually surprised at the outrage? Look, the military isn’t like every other workplace. If you choose to defend your country, just understand that you will have to give up some freedoms for the good of the service. The decline of America is also seen in the decline of our armed forces. Guess what ladies? Even if you want to nurse your children, you don’t get to do it anywhere you want, IN UNIFORM. Or you shouldn’t. But I’m sure the AF will find some excuse to say they have a right to nurse their kids wherever and whenever they want.

Sean M on May 31, 2012 at 11:36 am

You hit all the right points Debbie. Thank you for connecting this to our enemies – because with these idiots in the Air Force, we’ll surely lose.

Karl on May 31, 2012 at 11:38 am

Typical USAF…U Suck At Fighting

BilboBaggins on May 31, 2012 at 12:12 pm

I have been breastfeeding my daughter for 8 months and am in the military. I manage to do my job just fine. Until you have done both at the same time, don’t judge me and my fellow service members for doing what is bet for our families. How dare you. It’s people like you that I work for every day so you can run your mouth about something you know nothing about. Your welcome, you ignorant douche nozzle.

Heather on May 31, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    No, Heather, it is the men in the military in combat zones that our enemies fear and who keep us safe and protect our liberties. . .not some female “soldier” who gets herself knocked up and breastfeeds in public.

    JM on May 31, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    “Your welcome, you ignorant douche nozzle.”

    Keeping it classy Heather? Or, are you just the same person switching nicknames? You are really making Debbie’s point for her.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 4:41 pm

A male soldier can be disciplined for far less and some things don’t comport with military service.

A woman can either look after her kids or serve her country. She can’t do both.

We don’t have the guts to prohibit this disgrace in our Armed Forces! And no wonder Al Qaeda and the Islamic World is laughing at us.

They’d never let soldier moms define THEIR warrior ethos! Sad to say, people have a hard time saying “no” to indecent and inappropriate behavior in our nation’s military – when its the women who exhibit it.

Only in America.

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 12:25 pm

The woman on the right, Luna, is fine. The other one is exhibitionistic and vulgar like the recent TIME cover and is not really about breast feeding. Women who want to serve should be in support positions. There’s nothing demeaning about that. Someone has to do those jobs to support the combat troops. My Ex husband did ROTC during Nam but pulled Adjutant General’s Corp. He kept paperwork and organized parades and ceremonies. At one point he was the base “theater” officer which meant he arranged movies for the troops. How would it be any more menial and degrading for a woman to do these things? We were in Germany, totally safe. He remained in the Reserves for his 30 and took a “demotion” to do so when they decided then didn’t need any more weekend Majors. He worked back up to Sgt. Maj. and transferred over to Finance where, interestingly enough, he saw action in Iraq as paymaster during GW1. So there are jobs that women could do with no more interference with their mothering than any civilian job would entail.

Italkit on May 31, 2012 at 12:38 pm

My son was in the U.S. Navy and was assigned temporarily the duties at a “snack bar” on the base because of his background in working in convenience stores and because all the female sailors who worked there got pregnant once they had received their orders to be transferred to ships. So much for morale, efficiency and cohesion.

Concerned Citizen on May 31, 2012 at 12:53 pm

Females should be segregated from male soldiers (like the old WAVEs and WACs) and they should receive a general discharge the second they become pregnant.

DS_ROCKS! on May 31, 2012 at 1:17 pm

“But they are great for some sicko with a fetish for topless breastfeeding woman to masturbate to”

Really counselor, there’s much better stuff than this on the internet. And now you’re an expert on male masterbation too, eh? LOL!

FrenchKiss on May 31, 2012 at 1:27 pm

@gi_janearng on May 31, 2012 at 10:43 am

Thanks for your service. Um, what was your MOS? Did you ever pick up a weapon and stand post? Ever serve on a frontline? And BTW, the military is not a social engineering laboratory for leftwing nutjobs to experiment with. Homosexuals, women, and cowards need not apply. Defending this nation is serious business and requires strict discipline. You are an example of what’s wrong with the military, its become feminized. And you can’t win wars that way.

FrenchKiss on May 31, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    I agree FrenchKiss til an extent, as I said in my comment a few minutes ago, if woman wants to serve in the military, atleast in the Air Force to fly jet planes, not in combating on the ground on what I explained my message at 1:45 pm (5 minutes ago).

    And as FrenchKiss said gi_janearning, defending this country is serious business, it’s all about “National Securtiy”, NOT social engineering which is an equivalent to affirmative action. And as DS said, hamas, hezbollah, al-qeada, taliban, PLO, PLFP, etc. would be e-mailing this photo of these two girls in uniform breastfeeding their kids, sending it to Al-Jazzera TV network and use it as propaganda in the muslim world in the middle east and southeast asia to show how weak this country has become. And to you Ms. gi_janearning, do you think for one minute that hamas, hezbollah, al-qeada, taliban, etc. invite female suicide-bombers to join their terrorists group and have them breast-feed their infants in public? Think about it!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on May 31, 2012 at 1:56 pm

For the few posters that commented here and quasi embarrased themselves (I’m looking at you gi_jearning), first off did any of you few posters read the WHOLE article? Nowhere in this article Debbie stated that women shouldn’t serve in the military, she never said anything like that, for starters, she only said that if you’re pregnant and raising kids, you shouldn’t be serving, that’s a little than saying you shouldn’t serve.

BTW gi_jearning, Ms. Schlussel isn’t ranting, you’re the one who’s doing the damn freaking ranting lady. And I also assume you think that both men and women are equally physically, right? That’s NOT a anti-female misogyny comment from me, that is plain old common sense, and Debbie is using common sense here, you should read her articles more often instead of being defensive and using emotions and feelings, because that’s what I read in you’re comments, feelings and emotions with NO critical thinking skills.

If a female wants to serve in the military, that’s fine with me, they can serve atleast in the Air Force or be contractors, but as fighting in combat, what if a male soldier who weighs over 200 pounds is injured and hurt, I’m sorry but physically the female soldier cannot lift him up, because she doesn’t weigh as much as the male soldier does, that’s common sense what I just used there, it’s NOT ranting, NOT misogyny, and NOT me being a so-called neantherdal, etc.!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on May 31, 2012 at 1:45 pm

There is nothing wrong with breast-feeding in private. Its not too much to expect modest behavior in public.

I’ve seen men peeing on walls in public. Is this the kind of behavior we should celebrate?

No, I’m not advocating we adopt the ways of our barbarian Islamic enemies who do far worse and who are hypocrites on the subject of decent manners.

But we could stand to treat not only our bodies but those in our society around us with appreciation and respect. That’s not too low a bar to meet in America.

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 1:55 pm

The US military is no place for some soldiers to promote/exhibit social or personal issues while in uniform and serving. I’m sick of liberal progressives trying to shove these nonsenses upon the US military to cater to small percentages of “me-me-me” people and to please liberal progressive fools who never served in military uniform.

Bob on May 31, 2012 at 1:59 pm

“The public affairs department at Fairchild Air Force Base did not respond to messages for comment. ”

I doubt the Air Force will do anything to challenge the priority du jour: Diversity. If a senior officer questions the wisdom of serving while breast-feeding, it could be a career ender. Recall what the General in charge said after the Fort Hood shootings that left 13 soldiers dead and 30 or so wounded. He feared how it would impact the Army’s (wait for it) Diversity. He didn’t want to discourage Muslims serving in the Armed Forces. But is that the mission of said forces?

Or consider, as a parallel example, what’s become of NASA in recent years. No longer are they tasked with advancing technology, exploring the stars, or promoting the US security interests. No, Obama tasked the Administrator with … Muslim outreach – making them proud of their contribution to science, etc. So the Shuttles are now housed in museums, we’re hitching rides to the Space Station with the Russians, thousands of scientists and engineers are now jobless. No one discusses that “outreach” program, but I doubt it’s been shelved.

As to the question of name hyphenation, folks do increasingly silly things to be deemed “progressive”. Some guy named Ruderman married a woman named Wilgoren (related to someone I know) . They now go by the name Rudoren. And *she* is now the New York Times correspondent in Jerusalem.

Raymond in DC on May 31, 2012 at 2:04 pm

If this doesn’t convince God fearing people that the end of the world is nigh, nothing will. May God have mercy on our souls.

Dr Dale on May 31, 2012 at 2:07 pm

Debbie… What took you so long to ban the nasty, perverted, foul-mouthed, “lady?”

This was another great article written by a real lady who refuses to compromise her on ethics, morality, beliefs, and upbringing in any way. That is why you have so many fans. Thanks!

PDMac60 on May 31, 2012 at 2:10 pm

There is a lot of absurd political correctness in our nation’s military.

Do I expect the sexist double standards feminists have imposed on it to be dropped? No – I don’t.

Let’s be honest: this is a co-ed class cum adult romper room, not a military institution. I’ll be surprised we’ll still have any Armed Forces left after the chickification makeover its undergoing is complete.

America, the writing is on the wall.

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 2:11 pm

This has got to be the worst article I’ve ever read. If the writer has proven she knows not a damn thing about being in the military, this is it. Breastfeeding isn’t a social experiment, folks. We live in America, land of the free. We should be grateful there are women willing to balance a homelife with the rigors of serving in the military. Are there bad apples who use it for their own gain? Yes, I’ve seen it personally, but it is a huge injustice to women everywhere to paint them with the same brush. If the jihadists are laughing at anyone, it’s you folks for even trying to make this petty argument.

;ean on May 31, 2012 at 2:18 pm

Standards are not a petty argument! The military is supposed to be an elite fighting institution. Do those women look like tough soldiers to you?

That’s exactly the point. When we have to accommodate nursing mothers, that means less time for remaining personnel to do their jobs.

We have to decide whether we want a glorified social welfare agency with a uniform or whether we want a military to defend the country.

Trying to have it both ways can’t work in the real world and that is why our enemies are laughing at us!

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 2:26 pm

Right on DS. If disgusting idiots like the mums above and the rough-trade “GI Jane” can spotlight their lack of class, we can put the spotlight back on where it really ought to be…on a society and culture that has proper pride, character, morals and CLASS and kicks against the classless.

Thank feminism (and PC rot) for all this dysfunction on display. I agree with DS 100% as a FORMER militant feminist. Crap like this and human stains like GI Jane make me KNOW I have found my proper way.

We all know what female breasts are for and BOTH instances are highly private matters that should be done in private. If you can’t deal with it you have big problems and you should be see a medical doctor and a shrink. We also know the male biology is VERY different than female so if you’re a “let it all hang out” kinda skank then you deserve all the looky-loo men staring at you when you breast-feed. Especially if you’re like National Disgrace Number One Terran Echegoyen-McCabe. And they will stare because some men can’t help it and have no class. You get what you deserve and the people in society who do have a sense of decorum look down on you because you’re lesser than and don’t know enough to not act in a debase manner.

Skunky on May 31, 2012 at 2:40 pm

And I apologize for the spelling. It should read “civilians” and “men and women.”

;ean on May 31, 2012 at 2:41 pm

Wrong, wrong, wrong !! The military is a instrument of social change. Forward comrades !!!

templar on May 31, 2012 at 2:46 pm

Yup – right down to becoming Bachazi boys and girls in training!

That’s the exactly the kind of image that doesn’t instil fear and respect in our enemies.

Conduct Unbecoming is too kind a description about what Debbie wrote today!

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Last night while watching my Celtics loose again and while doing my online homework I came across this picture. I thought to myself here we go again. Let me start by saying to the mush headed liberals posting onto this board. This aint about breastfeeding. This is about the continuing feminization of our Armed Forces. Being in the military means you’re under a strict standard and your uniform and appearance must be impeccable at all times. Public displays of affection are forbidden so what makes liberal weenies think that breastfeeding while in uniform is ok. I was in the Navy for 20yrs and have had the honor of serving with some of the best female sailors you could meet. They knew what was expected of them. Then you had those like the two in the photo. The look at me attitude with inappropriate behavior in and out of uniform to match. These were the ones who got preggers either before or during a 6 month deployment. It’s like they think replacements for them just appear out of thin air. This hampers the mission and I could imagine how it is in the Army, Marines or the Air Force. Dopey liberals should wake the heck up and realize that the US Military is not a regular 9 to 5 job sujected to normal rules or the social engineering whims of libtards. If it were then there wouldn’t be a UCMJ of a Military Code of Conduct.

Ken b on May 31, 2012 at 2:53 pm

Norman, if you equate breast feeding with peeing, please take all your meals in the bathroom from now on.

I need to add something to my earlier comment however as I was being distracted by someone as I was trying to type. I think the picture is wrong and when I said Luna was ok, I meant in terms of what she is revealing or not. However, I do object to the pictures as propaganda and I strongly object to the one on the left. There is something smarmy about it regardless of what the mother’s occupation is. I would not call Ms. Luna a slut for being misguided about promoting breastfeeding in this manner. The other one, um, somehow qualifies. It’s embarrassing.

Another interesting thing I just remembered is that because we were stationed in Germany, we had to have an evacuation kit ready in case those damn Russkies crossed the border suddenly. On the instruction/info sheet it actually told us that if we were pregnant to plan on breastfeeding. This was in the early days of the “revival.” They also told us not to worry about our babies getting enough food because even men could breast feed enough to keep a baby alive. Apparently, if a baby is put to a man’s nipple, it stimulates the production of colostrum which is the key ingredient of breast milk. I don’t know if this is true or not or if they were just trying to reassure the dependent wives but I guess they Army never did have a problem with soldiers breastfeeding even when they were all men.

Italkit on May 31, 2012 at 3:07 pm

    Italkit, I have no idea where you got the notion that Norman was equating breast-feeding to going to the loo (peeeing). I read all of his posts and nothing he said came across as that insane. Norman takes care to make sense and the regulars know that and respect his opinions.

    Funny, you seem to be walking back your Liberal leanings on the disgusting Time cover. If I recall rightly, on that thread I called you out because you tended to NOT think it was a big deal and I wanted post what you had posted was not the proper way a classy human thinks. Where you shamed because it finally dawned on you that it was crossing a line?

    Skunky on May 31, 2012 at 6:54 pm

And that’s why kids don’t deploy to a combat zonme with their parents. Serously, I think you are having a hard time understanding that having a family during noraml duty is not the same as being in combat. Either way the kids stay at home with a caregiver or the spouse and there are proper measures in place to ensure a man or woman with kids can deploy without worrying who is taking care of their kids. I mean, you *do* realize that men can’t deploy that have kids if they are single and have no one to care for them right? Your reasoning is senseless. By your standards, then no man or woman who is of childbearing age should be in the military. The only people distracting our fighting men and women from doing their jobs are the closeminded civilians who are trying to make a case out of this issue.

;ean on May 31, 2012 at 3:11 pm

Ken, the old strawman about “those nasty women who got pg while in theatre.” is overused. Blanket stereotyping all women for a few bad apples does nothing to uphold your argument. And let’s be serious here. You make no mention of the doofuses willing to take their weiner out and knock up those sailors. It takes two to tango and it *all* takes away from the effectiveness of unit cohesion.

;ean on May 31, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    “Bean” we are here to tell you that YOU are the one that doesn’t see it proper. Ken B wrote a great post and you did not comprehend it as you should have. Read it again and you will see he nicely sums it ALL up.

    Read the posts by AF Vet, Norman, WORRY, Ken B., Raymond and DS_Rocks because they get it. You don’t.

    Skunky on May 31, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Listen “friend” unlike the Gungan in Chief I do not need a “straw man” to “uphold” an argument. I guess to a dimlib like you reading aint fundamental. My point was not about miltary women as a whole it was about the fact that ones like the two in the photo and the ones in the Navy that I described think that good order and discipline are just words to be ignored. And to be “serious” like you say I know it takes “two to tango” moron. You and other liberal nuckleheads can’t seem to grasp that while that may be true in this case only one of “tangoers” gets to leave the dance hall via an off ship transfer.

    Ken b on June 1, 2012 at 8:28 am

Even when not describing themselves as such, sorting out the left leaning posters is always easy pickings. Usually they let fly with the venom right out of the gate; sometimes, for a laugh,– ours, that is– its held in till the final sentence.
With a puffed out chest full of pride they proceed, obliviously, to exhibit the mental framework of a teenage liberal.
Sadly, they overcome any ill effects of a rabid disposition. But if age exceeding IQ became a fatal disease, liberal types would be on their way to extinction.

lee, of the lower case "l" on May 31, 2012 at 3:42 pm

Well, these women definitely are not wearing their uniforms properly, they should do this in private. They are representing the Air Force, even they have some standards.

Jarhead on May 31, 2012 at 4:28 pm

I am not happy with your comments about these women.
What they are doing is not offensive it’s natural. What is not natural is feeding a human baby processed cows milk designed for a calf. I don’t find the picture offensive. What a sad society we have become. What an ignorant person you are. Ranting on about breastfeeding as if it’s something sexual!! Again another problem with our society- a woman’s body has a purpose to grow and nourish a child not just a sex object. Are you a mother yourself?

Gaynor on May 31, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    The comments are getting pretty repetitive Gaynor, and are not made more persuasive with overuse. I suspect that we are not dealing with multiple posters, but perhaps only one or two who go through different nicknames. Some Muslims like to do the same thing while posting here, but the nearly indentical syntax and repetitive nature of the comments gives the game away.

    You and your “friends” are not persuasive, due to the crudeness and belligerance of your language. Your argument is fairly weak to begin with, and is made weaker still by the way you have chosen to express yourself. I suspect that you are already acquainted with failure, so just add this to the list.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Gaynor, get a clue. Breast feeding is “natural.” So is urinating, so is having sex, so is changing clothes, so is bathing, and many other “natural” things in a civilization you don’t do in public. That is why we have restrooms, houses, locker rooms, etc.

    So what makes breast feeding any different or more “natural,” except for sluttish exhibitionists that can’t find a private place to nurse their babies? Go to a private place and be discreet if you want to breast feed your baby, just as if you would if you doing other “natural” things.

    JM on May 31, 2012 at 4:57 pm

      Agreed – we can’t do away with the animal aspects of human nature – so we elevate them to be like G-d – imitatio Dei. Human modesty is a reflection of our desire to be like Him.
      Humanity is imperfect and flawed – and people ask why would G-d create a creature that eats, sleeps and eliminates its way in life to be in this world? To perfect it and to transcend nature. Being human is about mastering both our baser impulses and the world. No other beast on earth is capable of it. Yes, I do see us becoming like G-d and joining Him one day when we will no longer have need of a physical body. Our existence now is more or less the childhood of mankind.

      NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 5:35 pm

    Gaynor, can you get more dumber and stupid? Lookit Gaynor, you’re missing the WHOLE point maam, Debbie is NOT criticizing women who breast-feed their kids, she’s NOT attacking them you stupid bimbo, she is ONLY pointing the fact about our Armed Forces being demasculated, feminized, weakened, etc. that’s what this topic is about.

    Another thing Gaynor, do you find it natural that men urinate in pulic against a wall? Do you find it natural if kids watch pornography? Do you find it natural that some folks smoke marijuana? Do you find it natural for people to engage in sexual acts with animals? Do you find it natural that folks have sexual-relations in public? If you want to breast-feed you’re child, do it in private, NOT in public infront of numerous people, please get that through you’re thick head and use some phucking critical thinking Gaynor!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on May 31, 2012 at 7:00 pm

    Gaynor it is YOU who do not get it. On many realms, but I will start with the differences between men and women and how they process sexual feelings. The nature of men and women are NOT just the way you want to see it. Facts will always trump your version every time…whether you see it or not.

    Lots of men have no problem with women breast-feeding in public because they like a good perv on it. They readily admit that they are not offended and quite like it if they like the look of the woman and if her boobs look good. Sorry, that’s not the way I want it but the way it is.

    Keep trying to make something not right (doing it in public and not being discreet AND doing it in a Military Uniform)…it just proves that you’re the one out of touch but you feel bolstered by the sad PC state of the USA and feminists. Don’t, because we’ll set you straight every time!

    Skunky on May 31, 2012 at 7:06 pm

Let’s say there was a photo or video clip taken of a US Air Force member feeding a malnourished child a spoon of food after finding the child starving in a war zone. The person (if male) would probably be saluted for their humanity and there’d probably be some kind of uplifting music playing in the background on a Youtube video with some hallmark type words saying what a compassionate hero they are. Right? And you’d all eat it up, shed a tear. Possibly stand up and say ‘God bless America. Aren’t we marvellous’. If female, you’d say: ‘Why is she feeding children on the frontline when she should be fighting the bad guys?’

Then you’d see that same person fighting hard, doing whatever Air Force people do, and possibly it would cut away to them returning home the hero, with a child running up to them, hugging them, looking up at them with adoration. If it was a dad, you’d all think ‘what a guy’. If it was a mother, you’d all think ‘how could she put herself in danger?’

You have massive double standards.

What these women are doing is feeding a child. It’s not sexual. They are being human, much the same way the soldier feeding a refugee is being human. Whether it’s from a spoon or a breast, it’s food. How do you think people were fed before formula? Is the heroic dad returning home to his family any less of a soldier because he has family commitments? Does he love his children any less than the mother of his children? So why should only mothers not be allowed to go into service once they have children?

I am genuinely gobsmacked that there are people like you (original writer and all the supportive commentators above). Appalled that your thinking is so archaic. I am sure that these women do not normally spend their lives ‘getting their tits out’ in uniform. They were making a point to try and overcome some of the fantastically outdated thinking obviously apparent in the USA, as demonstrated on this blog.

And one more comment. Have you ever seen a mother when something happens to her child? Have you seen the lengths she will go to protect her child? Don’t you think that a mother who would absolutely fight to the death to protect her child would have the same fire in her to fight for her nation? It’s her defence of the nation that is protecting her child.

gobsmacked on May 31, 2012 at 4:52 pm

Oh well……

Here we go again. While there is nothing wrong with breast feeding it should be done in private and put on public display.

Funny, there used to be an emotion called shame. It was a response to behavior that our society used to deem as unacceptable. Those days are gone however.

If I recall the job of the military is to kill and defeat the enemy. It is not to be used as a lab enviroment for social experimentation.

Not only are terroists seeing these images, but also the Chinese, North Koreans and other potential adversaries.

Peter on May 31, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    What the hell do that have to be ashamed about? They’re feeding their children for the love of God. If they weren’t feeding their children, that would be something to be ashamed of. Do you eat in private? Why should babies eat in private? I am genuinely not a big breastfeeding fanatic. I just can’t quite believe how deeply ingrained the idea that breastfeeding is something shameful of.

    Then again, if you’re the kind of person who believes that all the military does is to ‘kill and defeat the enemy’, instead of say providing a peacekeeping force and help to regain stability in a region, then it’s not massively surprising that your views are what they are.

    gobsmacked on May 31, 2012 at 5:09 pm

      Godsmacked, you’re just being a schmuck and a jackass, Peter is right in his message from this afternoon, not only are the islamists-terrorists (ie, hamas, hezbollah, taliban, al-qeada, etc.) looking at this and laughing at us with this, also the Chinese and North Koreans are going to use this specific image for propaganda against this country and show us how weak of a country we’ve become, that’s what Peter is saying.

      Enough with you’re stupid liberal clap-trap nonsense, it’s getting old, boring and tiring. As all of have said, there is NOTHING wrong with breast-feeding in general, but doing it in public infront of hundreds of people is a problem, if you want to breast-feed you’re child, do it in private. And WTF are you appauled of, you’re appauled for us using what the good lord gave us all, a brain and using critical thinking skills? You know what godsmacked, my former HS teacher said to me and the rest of the students in one my classes, “when you guys get older in life and live in the real world, you’re going to have to use alot of critical thinking”. And that’s what where doing buster, using critical thinking and living in the real world, NOT living in a personal ivory tower!

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on May 31, 2012 at 7:13 pm

I just can’t quite believe how deeply ingrained the idea that breastfeeding is something shameful of.

gobsmacked on May 31, 2012 at 5:09 pm

That is a straw man. No one is saying that breastfeeding is shameful.

If you breast feed, do it in a private place and discreetly and not in public.

Having the need to urinate is also “natural.” I guess gobsmacked and the other feminist posters wouldn’t mind if a soldier whipped it out and pissed right in front of them. After all, why should he piss in private? He is just doing something “natural.” It is nothing to be ashamed of.

JM on May 31, 2012 at 5:25 pm

I went into the Navy as a single woman. I can tell you I was quite naive. I ended up getting married and having two children before I got out. I had a position that would not have taken me to battle. However, when I finally realized there were places that I could not take my children, I opted to get out and rear them as a home maker. Being older and wiser now, I understand completely what Debbie is saying. Women can be in the military – sure, you have that choice but if you make the CHOICE to have a child, that child deserves to know that his mother has made the CHOICE to be around for his needs. Oh! Don’t get me started talking about women that have kids and leave them for grandmother to raise (rear, whatever)!The military should have a reputation for being badass. I’m sorry pictures of breast feeding mothers should be kept in medical pamphlets or women’s magazines but pictures of breast feeding moms in uniform does not leave me quaking in my boots. As a Christian, I don’t agree with the derogatory remarks made against these women but I will say that values are not being taught in many American homes today.

Kristy on May 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm

    I indeed have no problem with women serving in the military. My concern only arises when women do not realize that certain activities are not compatible with military service. If a woman cannot put off those activities or decide to do without them, even a relatively short military career is a very bad idea.One does not have to be a full-time homemaker if one wishes to have a family. What is important is that a family should not detract from one’s work, or force others to regularly pick up the slack for you. A full time job as a corporate attorney or civil engineer is not a good idea until one’s children have grown up to to the point where they do not need constant tending or direction. That stage is usually reached when they are in middle school hopefully. Finally, some of the disparaging comments about women here came in response to some very foul/vile language and general crudeness shown by some of the first female posters on this article. It truly soured the atmosphere quickly, and gave many a very low opinion of women serving or who have served in the Armed Forces. The sense of personal entitlement was very hard to swallow, as well as their indifference to imposing on others. Frankly, to be honest, I suspect that many of them would be horrible employees in any position, whether civilian or military. That may have been their attraction to the military to begin with. Other employers would have shown a belligerent and demanding new employee the door.

    Worry01 on June 1, 2012 at 2:05 am

“Let’s say there was a photo or video clip taken of a US Air Force member feeding a malnourished child a spoon of food after finding the child starving in a war zone.”

You are indeed just rambling now.

“And one more comment. Have you ever seen a mother when something happens to her child? Have you seen the lengths she will go to protect her child? Don’t you think that a mother who would absolutely fight to the death to protect her child would have the same fire in her to fight for her nation? It’s her defence of the nation that is protecting her child.”

Congratulations! That is the most incoherent mass of gibberish I have seen today It is maudlin, inane, and endeavors to equate things that are not equatable. Your whole piece is a splendid example of pure narcissism.

Finally, when you hear someone bewail outmoded thinking, it is generally a strong hint that a real whopper is coming. Preemptive shaming is a tiresome tactic that only works on the unprepared.

“You have massive double standards.” Yup, you can always expect this one to be used as padding for any stale speech. It is akin to, “I stand before you to stand behind you.” In both cases, you are dealing with a yawn inducing piece of rhetoric. The speaker is usually so riddled with inconsistencies that they would topple like an unstable lego piece on a table if confronted with their own “double standards”. The “Double Standards” line would be marked down as a cliche in any public speaking or compostion class.

On the whole, it is a very poor welding job that would be rejeced on an assembly line as substandard. If a line worker put out too many of these “things” they would be sent packing by the shop floor manager, whether they were breastfeeding or not.

Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 5:32 pm

Jm – there really is no arguing with you. Obviously having a piss is exactly like feeding a baby. You’re right. How could I not see that? More fool me.

gobsmacked on May 31, 2012 at 5:34 pm

worry01 – sue me for rhetoric. Your own isn’t much better.

I’ll leave you Americans to it. It’s bedtime where I am. Congrats on confirming just how narrow minded you are and why a huge part of the world is kinda pissed off with you.

gobsmacked on May 31, 2012 at 5:41 pm

    Yawn. You seem to have poor reading comprehension as well.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    If the likes of you are pissed off gobsmacked, it is indeed a compliment. Also, you have admitted that you are foreign. lol. So, your personal knowledge of what transpires in the U.S. Armed Forces is zilch. Play your fraud with someone else.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 6:27 pm

There is a reason human beings do certain things in private. If we want to go around nude in public, no one is exactly stopping us! It may be a facetious point but what Debbie says is where do we draw the line? Why stop with breast-feeding? After all its all “natural” isn’t it? And if that’s our criterion La Leche League porn isn’t the only thing we’ll see inflicted upon our society.

Count on it.

NormanF on May 31, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    Norman, I am sure some people would just like to walk around release and their bowels and bladders in public. Such natural freedoms tended to disappear when humans began to live together in communal groups or villages. The remainder of the population that was unable to come to terms with the new order of not letting it all hang out and flow tended to be driven away. In our more humane era you find them under bedding in parks or under psychiatric care. These little restrictions tended to expand over the centuries to include not having sex in public and not walking around stark naked. The people who adopted these regulations felt that these nicities separated them from the wildlife or livestock which surrounded them. Also, clothing and other such organized habits to some extent desexualized the relationship between men and women, which made it easier to work together or become acquainted without their being explict sexual overtones to such encounters. In turn, this gradually reduced the tensions between men, as well as those between women. When it became commonplace to assume that men and women working together were not automatically cheating on each other sexually, another societal advance was made. All of this represented a gradually increasing distance between humans and the regular animal world. We are now in the process of walking this back.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 10:00 pm

Another avenue of this that I haven’t heard much about is the safety issue. In this day and age of paroled sex offenders, and mental patients being free to roam our society due to budget cuts, does it make much sense to put ones “assets” out there like that? Last week a crazy guy down the street from my parents was parading around his back yard nude. Off this meds? Pushing the limits of free expression? The man was soon visited by the local PD but it could’ve ended worse. Fact is there are a lot of weirdoes out there to be dangling nude breasts in public.

samurai on May 31, 2012 at 6:52 pm


    Also, depending on the the available pool of recruits, there will be an inevitable sprinkling of people with some real psychological problems. These people might be functional in jobs in civilian environments, but the military quite often does not furnish that environment even when the new recruit is not deployed. Annoying, disturbing, or even arousing(for some)situations are often unavoidable. A civilian worker could ask for a transfer or simply quit the job if the situation became unbearable. That is not a ready option in the military unless you want to blot your record or get something nasty like a general discharge. For a person who is psychologically marginal, these constraints can become unbearable over time. There have been and will be people who snap in such situations, and the consequences can range from upsetting to lethal. Why bait such people for “feel good” reasons?

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 7:30 pm

      Worry, Only a sliver of news out of the military community makes it off base. Some things are very effectively smothered. COMSEC is necessary for several things. Our military has an impossible task, and as a result, they are effective in keeping a lot of stuff out of the news. This story is pretty light compared to the real issues. LIke all the wisdom in having joint patrols with the ANA that result in repetitive tragedies of our troops being gunned down by troops that are supposed to be allied with our own for example. What’s the hold up with Major Nidal Hassan being prosecuted for his murders? These women are part of the reason a lot of Marines refer to female U.S. Air Force members as Marine mattresses.

      samurai on May 31, 2012 at 10:05 pm

        I am not disagreeing with you. It was an effort to stay within the scope of Debbie’s post. Mentally unstable people do manage to get into the military, and various pressures and situations that would be odd in the civilian world sometimes push these people over the edge. Partial or full female nudity(not talking scantily clad)and the increasingly unclear boundaries probably has or could lead to some really nasty outcomes that would leak out despite COMSEC’s best efforts. This is not pilfering cash from the post exchange or snagging some entrenching tools.

        As for Major Hassan, it is fairly evident what is going to happen. After the November election, if President Obama wins, an insanity defense will be accepted. Even though there is really no evidence of mental aberration or breakdown prior to the massacre, this conclusion will be pushed through. Major Hassan was remarkably clear about what his views were of the United States and its Armed Forces for years, if anyone had cared to listen. Also, his emailing that lovely man in Yemen had been monitored by the FBI long before Major Hassan did his dirty deed. There would be no other justification for delaying Major Hassan’s trial other than to have Major Hassan plead to diminished capacity or insanity. No one is claiming that there are any loose ends regarding the man’s guilt. What is amazing is the Republican complicity in allowing the silence to continue.

        Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 11:29 pm

          Oh I know you weren’t disagreeing. We cool, we cool. You’re on it for sure. You’re posts are always pretty much a mirror of my own opinions.

          samurai on June 3, 2012 at 5:47 pm

Well, first of all, as a taxpayer, I resent having to pay the salaries of these exhibitionistic women. It is a sign of the degeneration of any type of military standards that there is even the need for a discussion about the inappropriateness of their actions. But I guess it is academic because our (mis)leaders are departing from the idea that the military should even be a factor in international relations — I guess they just want to see it as a subsidized form of welfare with the trappings of the military to add a good PR twist.

But in a sense, I can’t blame these women for what they are doing, and I can’t blame the Air Force for not taking any action against them. Think of the recruiting potential of this photo. I’m sure the Air Force (and lots of the women who are there) hope that photos like this will attract lots of guys to join up. More sex, more babies, more welfare, and of course, less fighting.

Just like the photo on Time magazine’s cover was designed to increase circulation, I expect the military to use this photo as a means to increase recruitment. Sex sells. And we know the elite doesn’t care about military standards. How many of them have served?

Little Al on May 31, 2012 at 8:29 pm

    Personally, I could not respect a woman who used her gender to impose on others unfairly. If sex is all you want, there are escort services. If some of the women who posted here are examples of what is available in the military, paying for something would be preferable. You would at least be dealing with someone who was honest about who they were and what they did, despite all of the other issues involved with them. The military should not be an institution whose functions include breeding and breastfeeding as part of its core mission. Those who apparently turn to it for such things are not serving their country, but themselves.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 9:03 pm

But would anyone even pay for these women? If you pay you’d probably want something better.

Little Al on May 31, 2012 at 9:06 pm

    As I said, you would at least be dealing with a more honest person, despite their profession.

    Worry01 on May 31, 2012 at 9:08 pm

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