July 5, 2013, - 3:34 pm

David Horowitz Says “Zimmerman a Guilty Liar;” Wants Concealed Gun, Stand Your Ground Laws Repealed – Black Panthers Never Change

By Debbie Schlussel


A Black Panther doesn’t change its lack of spots. And so it goes with past Black Panther enabler/supporter/financier and now self-proclaimed “conservative” (apparently for business reasons) David Horowitz. Looks like he’s back on the bandwagon with his Black Panther pals. Horowitz, today, declared that George Zimmerman is a guilty liar and cannot be trusted in the court case against him. He says conservatives are wrong to support Zimmerman’s self-defense claim. He also wants the repeal of Conceal and Carry gun and Stand Your Ground laws, putting him smack dab in the midst of the gun control crowd. You’ll recall that the reconstitution of David Horowitz’s Black Panther gang, the New Black Panther Party, is the racist, hateful organization that is the reason Zimmerman was even charged.


“Conservative” Liberal David Horowitz Now Pimping Us on “Guiltless Young Man” Trayvon Martin, Repeal of Concealed Weapons, Stand Your Ground Laws

I’m not surprised by Horowitz’s declaration, today. As you know, I’ve told you in the past about how David Horowitz and his site hypocritically gushed over and lamented the death of HAMAS supporter and vocal anti-Semite Robert Novak, who said Israel was behind 9/11. Horowitz regularly calls out the left for this same kind of anti-Semitism and Jew-hatred, but remains silent or–in the case of Novak–even celebrates when those on the right do the same. When I called David out on the Novak piece, he got indignant and mad at me, claiming he is not responsible for what goes up–and, to date, remains up as the gushing Novak piece does–on the site where HE is the EDITOR IN CHIEF. Hellooooo . . . . ? Yup, the website that he uses in frequent urgent fundraising schnorrer [Yiddish for “mooch”] letters for his non-profit (which seems to have profited him quite well), using the site as his Exhibit A for why donors should fund him (so he can pay himself over $500,000 per year plus outside speaking fees galore) because he’s so “pro-Israel and outspoken against anti-Semitism and the Islamic threat.”

I laughed when I noted that Daniel Pipes and his organization, David Horowitz and his organization, AND the Thomas More Law Center (which praised and promoted Muslim death, rape, and torture threats on my life and anti-Semitic Holocaust-denial) all tried to raise money for themselves at the same time, with each of them claiming that each alone paid for the legal defense of plagiarist blogger Joseph Kaufman against CAIR in the same lawsuit. And yet, Kaufman’s lawyer sent me an e-mail telling me he defended Kaufman in that suit for free. Cha-ching! Cha-ching! Cha-ching!

You should note that Horowitz’s organization also pays Slobbert Spencer nearly $200,000 per year, so he can spend his time sending me crazy, unsolicited e-mails late at night calling me, “evil,” and so he can contact various websites demanding that they stop promoting and linking to my work. Oh, and so Slobbert can rip off my work and admit to me in writing that he has but refuse to give credit for his theft. Horowitz also gave out some stupid award to Scamela Geller, the car loan fraud scammer who paid off Muslim straw buyers at her car dealership and has two murders in her path, including an investigating cop and her one honest employee–a father of four–who was apparently telling on her to police. (Her mansion was raided by the NYPD because she illegally kept the business’ real books there.)

And the David Horowitz Freedom Center also handsomely pays certain bloggers to just regurgitate what they read on this site, nearly word for word. I’ve had to repeatedly call David and his employees out and demand credit for my work that they lift (I have the e-mails to prove it and the discussions with him in which he admits they stole from me). His minions have also cut and pasted much of my original work from here for their “Discover the Networks” profit center of plagiarism, another item he uses to schnorr money off the work of others. Yes, that’s what liberals do: they take your property so that they can profit off of it without remuneration or any work whatsoever of their own.

I’ve known David for many years and used to like him a lot more . . . when I naively bought his act. When I was an undergraduate student at the University of Michigan, he and his then co-author of best-selling celebrity books, Peter Collier (who now runs his Freedom Center organization), came to visit campus. They visited myself and some other students who were involved in supporting aid to the Contras, the Nicaraguan Freedom Fighters who opposed Communist dictator Daniel Ortega. They supported us, and we appreciated their help and moral support in a sea of Marxist liberals in Ann Arbor. My, how things have come full circle. Ortega is back in power in Nicaragua. And David Horowitz is back to being a liberal.

Horowitz’s love letter to Trayvon Martin and his gushing over Jew-hating Bob HAMAS Novak aren’t the only things he’s done to indicate he’s not who he says he is. Right after 9/11, David wrote an accurate, spot-on piece attacking anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, pro-HAMAS/Hezbollah Hussein Ibish, then the spokesman for the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. But Horowitz not only removed the piece, he publicly apologized to Ibish and retracted it, saying he was wrong and that the openly anti-Semitic Ibish was a nice guy. Why? Because the anti-Israel Christopher Hitchens told him so. When I e-mailed David to question why he did this, he said he did it because Hitchens told him to and that it would be up to me and Daniel Pipes (yeah–I know–hilarious!) to make up for this and publish the real story on Ibish.

In other conversations, David defended Matt Brooks, the chief-for-life of the Republican Jewish Coalition, who repeatedly invites Jew-haters and anti-Israel scumbags to speak at RJC events. When I questioned why Matt repeatedly gets paid over $700,000 in salary (plus benefits) so he can pig out on shrimp and lobster and hang out at poker tournaments, while large percentages of Jews vote Democrat, David got upset. After all, RJC and its associated organization (also headed by Brooks), the Jewish Center for Policy Analysis, often pay David Horowitz mega-bucks for speeches. At one of these events, David Horowitz said (and I have the video to prove it) that Jonathan Pollard should rot in prison for life, etc.

As readers know, I’m no fan of George Zimmerman (though I don’t think he’s a racist in the least). I agree that he lied about his legal defense fund fundraising and didn’t listen to his first set of attorneys, who justifiably fired him as a client. I wrote about that on this site. And I’ve noted how he bragged on the jailhouse phone to his wife that they would become rich and famous off of all of this, which is quite unseemly, not to mention stupid. But it is quite clear that he killed Trayvon Martin in self-defense, and the case should never have been brought, regardless of what I or anyone else thinks of him personally. Yes, the sleazy scumbag Trayvon Martin who sent out the most disgusting tweets, was suspended from school, was an apparent drug user, tormented the homeless, etc., attacked and brutally beat Zimmerman, or he’d be alive today. But to White Black Panther David Horowitz, he’s a “guiltless” angel who did not fight with George Zimmerman or bash his head to create gashes, scars, and draw blood (I guess ghosts did that). To David, Trayvon Martin is:

A young man who was unarmed and guiltless of any crime is dead. And shouldn’t there be some penalty to pay for that?

If someone beats David Horowitz and he fears for his life, I hope he doesn’t try to defend himself. Because if he does, then we’ll have to use his sordid logic that “there should be some penalty to pay for that.”

And I’m just completely disgusted that David Horowitz–who lives in a giant mansion in the comfort of fancy, celebrity-infested Pacific Palisades, California–wants to take away my right to defend myself in the unsafe, urban neighborhood in which I live. And he wants to take away my right to conceal and carry firearms because, according to reverted liberal David Horowitz, I’m not capable enough to be trusted to handle my gun appropriately and it will lead to “guiltless young men” getting killed.

The Stand Your Ground Law should be rewritten to apply only to home invasions since then it is clear that the intruder is the aggressor and the response is self-defense. Second, Neighborhood Watch guards should not be permitted to conceal and carry. If you are carrying a weapon it changes your attitude and can well lead you into dangerous situations (such as following someone who doesn’t want to be followed) that you would otherwise avoid. And worse it can lead you to take the life of someone who whatever he did, did not deserve to die.

Are you bleeping kidding me? I and my Second Amendment rights should be limited because David Horowitz doesn’t like how George Zimmerman acted? That’s the idiocy of liberals. NOT conservatives. (That’s not to mention the fact that it doesn’t matter if Zimmerman “wrongly” followed Trayvon Martin. Once Martin was on top of him, beating him, it was Zimmerman’s legal right to defend himself. Period.)

And David has proven, yet again, that he isn’t the latter–that he’s not a conservative. For him, that’s just an act. Because he once was a successful author selling thousands of books on the Kennedys and the British royal family, and that dried up.

A new schtick was needed. Cha-ching.

But he doesn’t really believe in any of it, as he keeps proving. And now he wants to take away my right to defend myself unless it’s at my home and my right to conceal and carry my gun.

Please tell me how those views differ from those of Barack Obama, George Soros, and the rest of the gang he’s made a mint off of pretending to oppose.

By the way, David, since you no longer support my Bill of Rights freedoms, including my right to carry a concealed weapon and my right to defend myself from violent thugs, you might wanna delete the word Freedom from your “David Horowitz Freedom Center” money machine.

Clearly, with his call for the taking away of my freedoms and rights, David Horowitz couldn’t care less about freedom, yours or mine. Not even a little.

I learned something from David Horowitz:

Once a Black Panther, Always a Black Panther.

Even if your skin pigment happens to be White and FOX News and mindless thousands of conservatives blindly pay you money.

*** UPDATE: There is so much stuff on which David has been hypocritical and/or just plain liberal that I did not remember everything as I wrote this column. As reader and commenter Charles Rector reminds me, below, David and his “Freedom Center” hired at least three anti-Semites–Jenn Taylor (who is now “editor” of Michelle Malkin’s self-masturbation site, Twitchy), John Hawkins, and Cassy Fiano–to blog for him on his FrontPageMag site at $100 per post. Those three praised, promoted, and supported deranged Thomas More Law Center attorney Emily Zanotti in her praise and support on her blog for Muslim death, rape, and torture threats on my life and that of my Holocaust survivor grandmother (who has since died) and Holocaust-denying anti-Semitic comments. They repeatedly attacked and bullied me for complaining about it and they supported Zanotti’s mocking of me for contacting the FBI over the death threats. David and his website editors were made aware of this and didn’t care. These same cretins also attacked me for being against Arab Spring. They kept paying them and featuring their crap on the blog, until the blog ultimately failed and much does from the mis-named “Freedom Center” a/k/a David Horowitz Luxury Retirement Fund.

At this point, I’m sad that my late father was a donor–multiple times–to the various incarnations of David Schnorr-owitz’s self-promotion enterprises, from the Center for the Study of Popular Culture to the vanity project, The David Horowitz Freedom Center. My dad stopped his support when he saw Horowitz’s comments about Pollard. But I know my dad is really turning over in his grave now, because he really believe Horowitz was a conservative. At one point, many of us did.

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154 Responses

OT, Deb:

…you were right:


Nick Fury on July 8, 2013 at 10:33 am

I have read nearly every Comment posted as of this moment. Subsequently, a search was done to find what I believe all of us – readers, commentors, competing bloggers, etc. – must keep in mind when evaluating contrary opinions, challenging facts, and “personalities – famous and infamous”:

“I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

Robert A. Heinlein

David Horowitz must answer for himself. My experience with Debbie’s responses to my questions and to my takes on certain topics has been forthright and honest. She has my respect.

I reside in Florida. I am from Detroit. I lived in the City and worked in Detroit in 1967, in the 1990’s Malice Green-Buddsen-Nevers incident, as well as other news events. Here, in Florida, I believe people are edgy re the trial’s potential outcome and what reactions it may engender.

Remember two things: HE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES and
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” – Mao Zedong at …

Debbie,continue to educate us – your readers. Thank you.

Dennis on July 8, 2013 at 11:59 am

more OT:

local ChicagObama media keeps entertaining:


Nick Fury on July 8, 2013 at 12:00 pm

Great work, Debbie. As always. Will forward to those I know who support Horowitz. There are so few trustworthy people out there these days. Glad to say that Debbie is one of them.

phillip slepian on July 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm

I found this post to be informative. I occasionally read things on FPM – and agree with some (usually Greenfield) while I find some others off the mark or watered down. I recall commenting there when Novak croaked that they were out of their minds in praising him. I recall seeing Horowitz on TV and my wife (an expert in reading human nature) saying that there’s something about him that rubs her the wrong way. I, too at that time came away with the feeling he might or might not be genuine. Thanks, Debbie, for some guidance on this guy.

Not Ovenready on July 8, 2013 at 5:14 pm

Interesting quote about Horowitz by a prominent left-winger:

I respect the astute and rigorously unsentimental David Horowitz as one of America’s most original and courageous political analysts. He has the true 1960s spirit – audacious and irreverent, yet passionately engaged and committed to social change.
Camille Paglia
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/camille_paglia_3.html#0YL1MtJOhIOmRuYh.99

Charles Rector on July 9, 2013 at 5:27 am

You know things are not going well for the pro-Trayvon useful idiots and prosecution when AOL doesn’t have a prominent story about the trial today.

Dad and Trayvon’s biological mom (Trayvon spent 14 of his 17 years with his stepmother) collected over $1 million from the homeowner’s association or its insurance carrier(s). Outrageous (Florida has very punitive bad faith laws that apply to insurance companies) but I am not surprised. Dad and the biological mom should split the money up with the MSM, the prosecution, judge and of course his majesty, Obama.

Concerned Citizen on July 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Reply to Debbie Schlussel’s Fanciful Accusations
I would have thought that Debbie Schlussel has attacked so many good conservatives, and in such extreme terms that people would by now simply dismiss her screeds as expressions of derangement but friends have informed me that I am wrong, and consequently I have agreed to provide a partial response to her recent attack on me. It’s only a partial response because the attacks are so absurd I am hoping that most people will see how bizarre these accusations are and I won’t have to go through the time-wasting tedium of answering the rest.

Begin with the title of her attack:

David Horowitz Says “Zimmerman a Guilty Liar;” Wants Concealed Gun, Stand Your Ground Laws Repealed – Black Panthers Never Change

False on all counts: I have never said Zimmerman is guilty of the charge against him, or used the words (in quotes) “Zimmerman a guilty liar.” I never said I want concealed gun laws repealed, and while I did say I thought the Stand Your Ground Law should modified, after reading the responses of my critics I conceded that my understanding of the Stand Your Ground Law was faulty and retracted even that mild statement. I was never a Black Panther. I am not a gun controller as Schlussel alleges but am a defender of the Second Amendment and a supporter of the NRA. She utterly distorts a statement I made that Neighborhood Watch guards who are not trained policemen should not carry concealed weapons so they do not get themselves into risky situations that require them to use them, and falsely concludes I am against concealed gun permits generally. I have since been informed that the Zimmerman shooting is virtually unique and so have had second thoughts about even this very limited statement which in typical fashion Schlussel has blown out of all proportion. I am a supporter of gun rights for citizens to defend themselves.

While I think with most conservatives that the legal case against Zimmerman is unwarranted and was the result of pressure from the “lynch mob that the civil rights movement has become” (words I have used in several articles, and sentiments expressed in my article on the Zimmerman case and in a previous article on Paula Deen), I don’t think that Zimmerman should have followed Martin but merely called 911 and that should merit some penalty (not a murder charge). My articles were not really about the legal issues in the Zimmerman case; they were about conservatives who had jumped to conclusions about Trayvon Martin’s character that were not warranted.

I did point out (and many paragraphs down in her screed Debbie agrees) that Zimmerman lied about the amount of money he had and had his bail revoked for it, and that he had made other false statements. But “guilty liar” is a wildly inaccurate statement of my views on the Zimmerman case. Others can read my article decide for themselves.

But Schlussel goes on to a much broader attack on my character. She somehow links me to the fascist New Black Panther Party because it is a “reconstitution” of the old Black Panther Party, which I supported. Yes I supported the Panthers when I was a leftist more than forty years ago, but since then as everyone ought to know I have been the leading voice exposing it for the criminal gang it was (something I learned at great cost to myself forty years ago). Moreover, the New Black Panther Party and its psychotic leader have no relation to the old, and indeed have been denounced by the aging members of the old Party, let alone by me.

Frontpage is edited by Jamie Glazov. I do not generally see Frontpage articles in advance of publication. , Frontpage did print an obituary of Robert Novak, which praised his work as a conservative and did overlook his anti-Israel positions. When made aware of it, I didn’t see that as the big deal that Debbie does and didn’t have Frontpage write another, negative, obituary because after all Novak was dead and no longer a problem. I myself did not write the Novak obit but that doesn’t stop Debbie from claiming that I gushed over an anti-Semite as Debbie maliciously claims.

I do not have to defend the work I and my Freedom Center have done in behalf of Israel and the Jews – which Debbie implies is non-existent and just a scam for raising money — because it is accessible to anyone who cares to look for it. I will say that the Zionist Organization of American chose me to keynote its annual dinner last year, and the speech I gave about my views on Zionism and Israel, which received a standing ovation, is available on our website for anyone who cares to read it.

Joe Kaufman, a brave defender of Israel whom Debbie assaults along with my Freedom Center which paid for his legal costs, was the target of a suit by Islamists for protesting a Muslim Day at Six Flags. Debbie is a lawyer and knows full well – but chooses to ignore — that there are legal costs around any case that run into the thousands of dollars even if the lawyers work pro bono. The principal lawyer represented Joe Kaufman but the charges for the lawyer who assisted him ran to more than $40,000, which the Center paid from the monies it raised.

I’m going to stop at Debbie’s vengeful attack on Robert Spencer, someone who has done more with a single one of his books on Islam (and he has written 9), and in his courageous appearances before hostile audiences to educate people about the nature of Islam and the jihadist threat, than Debbie has done with all her rants against good conservatives with whom she disagrees. The vitriol in her attacks on conservatives is obviously driven by envy and an out of control fear that they are getting more attention than she is, and that she thinks she deserves. Every time she has complained to me – which is maybe three or four times in the 25 years I have known her – about not getting credit for something she has written, I have seen to it that this oversight was repaired. All of us who work in media have seen our work used by others, and almost all of us except Debbie have regarded that as part of our missionary efforts. After all we are supposed to be serving a cause, and the more people who receive our information the better. But Debbie is virtually alone in accusing people of stealing her work and in neglecting to acknowledge that the cause may have been oversight rather than intention to steal. Others generally acknowledge when an injury has been repaired rather than barreling ahead with accusations that amount to character assassination.

Debbie’s rant against me could have been written by a Marxist-Leninist there is so much contempt for the market system and envy towards people who get rewarded for what they do in her river of bile. I never defended Matt Brooks’ selection of speakers, whatever they may be. I did defend the right of the RJC to pay him the salary he receives. What I said was that if Matt’s board thinks he is worth his salary for the benefits he brings to the organization that’s their business, that’s the way the market system works.

Because I rejected Marxism long ago I am not going to answer her attacks on the rewards that I or individuals who write for Frontpage receive for their work except to say this about her treatment of the facts. She accuses me of receiving “mega bucks” for speaking at RJC events. If $500, which is what I received, is mega bucks, so be it. I earned it.

Ken Kelso on July 13, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Debbie has a way of turning an expose into a screed, but that doesn’t mean she is wrong. She might be right about Scamela Gellar and Slobbert Spencer, but I know she’s onto something with David Horowitz since the Diana West thing got going. No way no how are the critiques of her book making any sense, and from what I heard Horowitz has been right in the middle of smearing her.

    James Solbakken on October 7, 2013 at 7:55 pm

Damn, I had NO idea that Horowitz went left.
Thanks for staying consistent, Ms. Schlussel.
Shabbat Shalom 🙂

The Mad Jewess on July 19, 2013 at 10:36 am

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