December 4, 2014, - 12:29 pm

Eric Garner Might Still be Breathing If . . .

By Debbie Schlussel

New York City Comrade-In-Chief Warren Wilhelm, Jr. a/k/a “Bill De Blasio” (yes, he changed his name to sound less Nazi-esque . . . or something) said, yesterday, that he had to train his half-Black son to be prepared for police reacting to him the way they did to Eric Garner. And he said it in a negative/against-the police way. But Wilhelm/De Blasio apparently didn’t train his son to do something that Eric Garner’s (and Michael Brown’s) parents also didn’t train him to do–something much easier and less likely to incur a bad result: obey police and respect authority.



Yes, it is tragic that this father of six died, but Eric Garner, who died after a New York police officer used a chokehold (which didn’t cause his death, by the way), would be alive today if . . .

. . . he obeyed the police who approached him.

. . . he answered their questions about allegedly selling unlicensed cigarettes.

. . . he put his hands up and didn’t resist arrest.

. . . he wasn’t a morbidly obese asthmatic prone to specific medical reactions when under stress or in trauma.

None of these things are mentioned nor are they taken into account because throngs of Black and racist, self-hating, far-left White protesters want to bitterly cling to their hateful fantasy that America is a racist country and that White people are evil. They want to think that a morbidly obese man with a criminal record who resisted police is the same as an innocent Black man in the Jim Crow South decades ago. Heck, I even had people tweet at me (follow me on Twitter) that Garner’s experience was like Nazi Germany, which is patently absurd. Most of my family on both sides cooked in the ovens or died of hard labor in brutal conditions in Nazi camps. To compare these officers to Nazis or Eric Garner to Holocaust victims is outrageous and disgusting. Had he calmly complied with police, he’d probably still be here . . . or maybe not since he was a morbidly obese asthmatic who was walking on eggshells with his health. Having six kids to support and a criminal record can’t have helped his stress level, with the latter item being a reason why he didn’t exactly submit to police.

Eric Garner was suspected of selling unlicensed cigarettes (which is also what Hezbollah does, FYI). He was approached by police who had a lawful right to approach him and ask questions. He resisted them and he’s a big guy–over 300 pounds. Yes, it looks bad on the video that there are several people and at least one has his knee on Garner. But, again, he’s giant. Were they overzealous? Maybe. But it took several officers to subdue him. Every single one of the 50 states allows police to use force to effect a lawful arrest. And there was nothing illegal about the arrest. Yes, it is true that the officer in question, Daniel Pantaleo, used a chokehold, which is against NYPD policy, but NOT a crime. And there is no evidence whatsoever that this is what caused Garner’s death. In fact, just the opposite. The autopsy and other evidence showed no crushed windpipe.

Do I think Eric Garner deserved to die? No. But I don’t think any of the cops who arrested him wanted that either. I don’t think any of them thought that would be the result. It’s just not the expected result . . . unless the arrestee has a medical condition that is not visible or known. And that’s probably what happened here. A morbidly obese guy with asthma and six kids is under a lot of stress and trauma just walking on the street or even sitting. But when you add to that resisting police and struggling with them, even if he ultimately was down on the ground, that adds a lot more stress and trauma that exacerbates the situation.

Another thing to consider: Eric Garner was not new to police. He knew the drill. He had a history of arrests–31 of them from the age of 16–dating from the 1980s to the day he died at age 43. He was arrested for assault, resisting arrest, grand larceny, driving without a license, pot possession, and selling unlicensed cigarettes multiple times. He was not new to the criminal arrest procedure or to police. He knew better than to resist police instead of calmly speaking with them and maybe submitting to arrest. But he also knew that if he was committing a crime and selling illegal, single cigarettes, of which he was suspected, he might do jail time, given his long rap sheet. And that’s probably why he resisted.

If you look on Twitter, where an estimated 30% to one-third of participants are Black, the trending terms and hashtags as I write this are: #CrimingWhileWhite, #AliveWhileBlack, and #ICantBreathe. All of these are sympathetic to Garner, and the first two are racist, attached to mostly race-baiting, racist, and race-grievance tweets. Did Garner’s death have anything to do with race? There is no evidence of that. The fact that the cops were all White and Garner was Black does not mean there was racism . . . except in the minds of those who see racism everywhere. Yes, there is still racism in America, but most of it is sadly coming from the most racist group today, Blacks. They have affirmative action, a Black President, minority set-asides, and a Justice Department and White House focused almost exclusively on telling us (and they mean White people) how racist we are.

Is it racist to point out Black crime rates (versus that of Whites) and the high percentages of Black victims of those crimes? Yes, because truth is racist and racism in today’s climate. Is it racist to teach your kids to disrespect and resist police and other authorities, when you know your kids are of one race and most police in your community are of another? Doesn’t that say that you are racist?

My parents taught me to respect police and other authorities and to do what they say (something a lot of Black parents–most of them single parents–probably don’t teach their kids). And, strangely enough, I’m still alive and breathing. Yes, I am not a Black male, but I also am not a 300 pound asthmatic man with six kids to feed (and an extensive criminal record). Yes, there are some bad police, but they are the minority, the very small minority. We’re not talking police who asked someone for sex or bribes in the Garner case, but police who legitimately approached a man whom they believed was committing a crime. And there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that any of the police here had any bad intent. It’s just what the minority and Raaaaaaaycism! crowd want to believe. Facing the truth is bad for their agenda.

Bottom line: if Eric Garner were not 300 pounds and asthmatic, if he had calmly responded to and answered police, he’d probably still be here.

That’s not a Holocaust. It’s not Nazi Germany. It’s not police hunting Black men. It’s just a tragic incident in which a life was unnecessarily, tragically lost, and six children lost their father.

All because of the way he reacted when police approached.

Eric Garner, Rest In Peace.


One other thing: there were many Black jurors on the grand jury that voted not to indict Officer Pantaleo. I wonder, if we polled the jurors, one by one, if their votes went along racial lines or not.

74 Responses

Of course Debbie is 100% correct in all aspects except the notion that all but a tiny minority of cops are good citizens.

In fact, many cops, I would say fully a third, conservatively, are sociopaths and/or psychopaths who have found a legal outlet for their aggression. They pray for the opportunity to kill “on the job” and are gleeful that they actually get paid for it. They delight in abusing citizens and bask under the cover of supposedly protecting society, which in fact they hold in contempt.

Absolutely Garner asked for it and absolutely many cops are grateful that there is an endless supply of morons like him.

DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Your claims are very comprehensive. Can you prove anything of what you just said or are we all to presume it as self evident like you do.

    JayPee on December 4, 2014 at 1:59 pm

      No proof, purely anecdotal, but I have an extensive and diverse database of experience – including professional – dating back to 1976 as a juvenile delinquent where I was able to observe cops in situ from the perspective where they weren’t inhibited to converse freely among themselves in front of us.

      DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    While I don’t know where DSR gets his figures, I certainly agree that a substantial portion of cops fit his description.

    Let me tell you why. A couple of decades ago, LAPD was notoriously anti-gay. By this I mean they would verbally harass gay patrons leaving bars and sometimes beat some of them up under very suspicious circumstances. But unlike blacks, gay men are not disproportionately criminal. (That’s why gentrification often starts with dah gayz.) This example provides a way to “control for” background criminality of the population being policed.

    I also don’t trust police as an institution because they are not liable for their INACTION in the case of crime. A citizen has no legal recourse for police who do not bother even to visit a crime scene. So, they can spend their time “fundraising” by writing tickets, and that’s what they do. (This is facilitated by the hiring of policewomen.)

    That said, I trust the po-leese more than the black community. But that’s a low bar.

    skzion on December 4, 2014 at 5:50 pm

      That said, I trust the po-leese more than the black community. But that’s a low bar.


      And as an aside, the civil disturbance/riot – type job components (where they actually have demonstrable value to citizens)are the least favorite of rank-and-file cops.

      DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Sociopaths form about 2% of the population therefore it’s highly unlikely that any reputable vocation would be comprised of anywhere near 30%.
    There are however a disproportionate number of sociopaths in prison instead of your home because of the police.
    Although they are a minority even in prison they are responsible for as you might have guessed a disproportionate amount of crime both inside it and outside.

    Police work would generally not be very appealing to sociopaths because of the responsibility and discipline involved.

    They are however particularly attracted to jobs in the media were they are significantly over represented as you might have guessed if you knew how to guess.

    japple on December 4, 2014 at 5:57 pm


      japple on December 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm

      just to make myself clear.
      you might have guessed it because that’s where you got your stupid ideas from in the first place.

      japple on December 4, 2014 at 6:03 pm

        You talkin’ to meee, japple?

        You throw around even more “statistics” than DSR, but, unlike him, go on the attack against regulars here, and without any evidence.

        Police are largely self-selected for a job that provides special powers and relative freedom to exercise them. They surely differ from the average member of the subpopulation they grow up in.

        I suspect that the key problem with the poh-leece is that a whole counter-legal bureaucracy has grown up around facilitating lawlessness in high-risk (largely black and hispanic) populations. This only enhances the tendency of the poh-leece to bypass legality. It’s a vicious circle. In addition, ineffective police cannot be sued.

        Anyway, most of us by now have seen a many, many cops committing moving violations blatantly. Some of us have cops in our extended family. We learn that cops regularly drive drunk and virtually never suffer consequences for it. Stuff like that.

        We can condemn the ‘hood without writing love letters to the police.

        skzion on December 4, 2014 at 7:08 pm

          Maybe some of the negative remarks about police could be true. But, “…Police are largely self-selected for a job…”, is a bunch of bunk. There isn’t a law enforcement organization in this country that lets any Tackleberry waltz in with all his neat gear and head out on patrol, of his own volition, in their police cruiser.
          I too am disillusioned that police departments can shun their responsibilities to the communities they promise to protect and not be held legally liable for inaction. It chaps my ass that I pay them to show up when I need them. Policies that defer to insurance companies, such as non-injury traffic accidents and home burglaries, make me want to agree with you. However, I would bet a month’s wages that it wasn’t beat cops who established those policies.

          nadie on December 5, 2014 at 12:21 am

          Oh, Skzion what a surprise. Now why would you think I was talking to you in particular is what I want to know.
          Actually there were no statistics in my response and I’m not usually statistics heavy by would that intrude on your little rebuttal?

          Anyway the main problem with the police I’m increasingly starting to believe is that they have to answer to jerks like you. That’s their job I know but I have a feeling Obama’s going to fix that thankless task up much better for them. Good luck bozo.

          japple on December 7, 2014 at 3:48 pm

          Apart from the 2% figure which is widely accepted.

          japple on December 7, 2014 at 3:54 pm

        you might have guessed it because that’s where you got your stupid ideas from in the first place.

        Yeah, I knew you were talking to me the first time – lol.

        And of course they’re guesses, but they’re educated guesses based on nearly 40 years of close, voluminous and inside experiences including but not limited to three years as a 95B, an AS in AJ as well as the aforementioned -and most valuable, IMO – experience as a delinquent who regularly interacted and surreptitiously observed poe-poes in their own element and with their guards down.

        So, my ideas may indeed be “stupid”, but not quite as obviously stupid as one who mindlessly defends the status-quo, popular opinion using haggard, suspect slogans and vapid regurgitation of righteously indignant rebuttals.

        DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 7:43 pm

      Sociopaths form about 2% of the population therefore it’s highly unlikely that any reputable vocation would be comprised of anywhere near 30%.

      I suspected that someone would pick up on this, and you’re right as far as DMSR definitions.

      I actually think that the cops who I’m referring to have a specialized, perhaps not previously analyzed, form of analog or pseudo-sociopathic behaviors, specifically leveraging and thriving in the popular and professional perception of them, their stature and their jobs to gain their neurotic, selfish and predatory satisfaction undetected.

      DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 7:23 pm

        Sorry, I don’t really want to invent a new hitherto unknown to science category of sociopaths particular only to the police just to let you win the argument.
        Call me crazy.

        japple on December 7, 2014 at 4:04 pm

I’m an Hispanic male in an overwhelming Caucasian German area.
The police,Sheriffs and HWY Patrol here are nearly 100% white.
I’ve never had any problem with any of those policing authorities and they’ve always been very kind and helpful to me whenever I’ve called them for assistance.
I think those men and women have a difficult job and do the best they can under those circumstances.

Kindness begets kindness.

ebayer on December 4, 2014 at 1:21 pm

The ones who hashtag for Garner are more fronts for groups that are blatantly pro-criminal, who seek to turn back the clock to the days when violent crime was through the roof, and it was worth one’s life to go to the nearby corner store to get a container of milk, a carton of eggs or a loaf of bread. Behind every one of those anarchist “protesters,” I can guarantee you, is a violent felon, or a drug dealer, or a gang member, or a cop killer, or a carjacker, or other criminal elements. It is sickening that Bill Bratton who, under Rudy Giuliani, begat the process by which crime rates began going down in the 1990’s, is now under a far-left “mayor” who is intent on reversing these gains and dragging us back to the “bad old days.” (And that’s not counting the City Council, many of whose members are likewise pro-criminal and many of whom represent districts that consider Mumia Abu-Jamal a “hero.”)

But as to the point about most of the jury that voted not to indict the officer being Black – I wonder how many of those will report that, and if they do, if they are smeared as “Uncle Toms” or worse.

ConcernedPatriot on December 4, 2014 at 2:16 pm

I’m white and was in a very bad car accident with a cop and it was totally his fault. I was lucky because I walked out of the hospital about 4 hours later without any long lasting damage. The cops made up a BS story, gave me a ticket and I had no recourse. I don’t really know the racial makeup of this police force, but I would never claim racism or anti-semitism. They are just corrupt cops who know they could get away with blaming me.

Hillel on December 4, 2014 at 2:18 pm

    On a “day to day” basis,my interaction with the police have been pleasant and positive,even when I’ve been stopped.
    When they pull me over I know the drill and am courteous and polite and they’ve been professional.

    ebayer on December 4, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    I’m white and was in a very bad car accident with a cop and it was totally his fault. I was lucky because I walked out of the hospital about 4 hours later without any long lasting damage. The cops made up a BS story, gave me a ticket and I had no recourse.

    This fits exactly into that category of pseudo-sociopathic behavior.

    What type of cretin would leverage his power to blatantly abuse the innocent party, rationalize it by dehumanizing the public (the “thin blue line” mentality) and then “reward” himself by issuing a ticket towards his quota with nary an afterthought or tick of conscience? Only our “finest”, of course – lol.

    DS_ROCKS on December 4, 2014 at 7:50 pm

DS, thanks for this, now yes Mr. Garner shouldn’t have died in any perspective, I saw the video and he was pretty calm and didn’t force his way towards the officers (like in the Michael Brown situation), at the beginning, the officers were questioning him on what he was doing, due to him doing something mildly illegal, via, selling tobacco by the “black market”.

During the course of the video, Garner became hysteric and uneasy, he did resist arrest, however though, it doesn’t mean that one of the officers should use militarization force on him. Debbie and everyone, “police militarization” here is the problem, NOT the cops or the Police Department per-se, had this officer been trained better when he was in Police Academy (police schools), he wouldn’t have used a submissive hold on Eric Garner, think about that.

And BTW, I also didn’t know that EG had other criminal offenses to his name before his death many months ago, plus this incident has NOTHING to do with race (and neither did the Michael Brown case), none of the officers used racial slurs or epithets at Garner and so forth. Make no mistake, both extreme ends of the left and the right have race-baited in the past, the hard-left using anti-white racism of taking advantage of folks of my ethnicity (black people) and the hard-right uses white-supremacy racism for their agendas on some occasions!

Sean R. on December 4, 2014 at 4:02 pm

Debbie bangs us once again with the facts. No one can argue those facts. This case then breaks down to the interpretation of those facts and the visual we get from the video. This case is not a racial case. However every single article you read, its “Unarmed BLACK” by a “WHITE” officer, over and over and over and over again. These newspapers and online media sources need to stop, they exacerbate ad nauseum.

This was a case of police brutality. In my opinion, jumping on the back of that man, choking him for a such a long time wasn’t necessary. The attention he got from medics was embarrassing.

The cop didn’t set out and say, ‘Hey let’s go choke out a negro today” but his over the top tactics resulted in a death that was definitely avoidable. I do not know what the grand jury based their decision on, but with the coroner ruling it a homicide, with the cop using a prohibited subduing tactic, they’re should be a trial, regarding negligence.

Now tell the truth, when you all seen the video for the 1st time a couple months ago, didn’t you think Biggie Smalls was back, “Yo, I ain’t do nuthin’ offisah I ain’t do nuthin'” ( I know many on here, are thinking, Biggie who?,) its ok.

MrBigBrain on December 4, 2014 at 4:05 pm

I am not surprised at the behavior of the Democrats, both the politicians and the rabble-rousers in the streets — pardon the duplication.

After all, felons are part of the Democrats’ developing constituency, especially black felons. One of the attractive features of this constituency to them, is that, unfortunately, it is growing.

So we have the spectacle of refraining from challenging criminals out of proportion to their demographics (down with racial profiling), not using ‘excessive force’, not even SHOWING excessive force, monitoring police behavior more and more — it started half a century ago with civilian review boards; now there are police cameras, etc., etc.

In a broader sense, the rise of criminality is not surprising given the fact that for the last century or so, since the end of the Victorian Era, we have primarily been a government of men, not of laws. With the downgrading of law, of course criminality increases.

Not only are the Republicans not seriously challenging any of this, but they are practicing their own brand of affirmative action, participating in fundraising for the colored woman (OOPS, I mean woman of color) who lost her bakery in Ferguson to the rioters.

I sympathize with her, but shouldn’t people with businesses have insurance? Has anyone checked to see if she has insurance? And, on a broader scale, it is a little irksome to see the Republicans implicitly accepting affirmative action in concentrating on this woman. “See, we are sympathetic to Black people too.” Of all the victims, this is the one they concentrate on.

If they had any real character, they would center their fundraising efforts around Darren Wilson, and the other victimized police officers instead of trying to prove they are more affirmative-action orientated than the Dems.

Little Al on December 4, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    The other problem stems jointly from political correctness and from the massive expansion of bureaucracy. Virtually every police unit in the country is subjected to multiple layers of oversight, both from governmental bodies and internally within their own organizations. Thus, if the Black Community wants to destroy a police officer, any and all of these multiple bodies can launch one type of investigation or other.

    We saw it with Rodney King, and will likely see it with Darren Wilson, and now the police officer in New York. Internal reviews, municipal reviews, state reviews, various types of governmental reviews, one for each of the expanding number of oversight agencies, until, sooner or later, a guilty verdict against the police officer is accomplished.

    Little Al on December 4, 2014 at 4:52 pm

Isn’t this the kind of crime the ATF was designed to encounter?

So,that being the case,the NYPD should’ve deferred the case to the ATF.

From their website…”The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeks to reduce alcohol smuggling and contra-band cigarette trafficking activity, divest criminal and terrorist organizations of monies derived from this illicit activity and significantly reduce tax revenue losses to the States.”

ebayer on December 4, 2014 at 4:40 pm

The man behaved like a thug. Too bad.

In other news— UAB is cancelling its football program. UAB has an outstanding world class medical school. The football team was a drain on resources. UAB ain’t Tuscaloosa.

Here’s hoping that UAB goes onto the academic reputation of another school that discontinued its very successful football team decades ago—Chicago. (Without the Leftism, of course.)

Occam's Tool on December 4, 2014 at 4:41 pm

Another deification of a street thug.

Occam's Tool on December 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm

The whole #ICantBreathe thing is a lie. The very fact he said that proves he could, and was in fact, breathing.

I_AM_ME on December 4, 2014 at 5:20 pm

Or, as Chris Rock outlined “How NOT to get your ass kicked by the police.”

MominMinnesota on December 4, 2014 at 6:00 pm

One thing I didn’t know is that a pack of cigarettes cost $15.00 in New York. No wonder he was hustling loosies (loose cigs)

MrBigBrain on December 4, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    Thank God for MrBigBrain !! Finally !!! FINALLY, ONE SINGLE WORD is mentioned — ANYWHERE — about the fact that it is a policy of CONFISCATORY & OPPRESSIVE/TYRANNICAL TAXATION that DIRECTLY led to ANY of this happening, in the first place !

    The people ACTUALLY responsible for Eric Garner’s being DEAD today, are the tag-team sc*mbags, ANDREW CUOMO & KAISER COMRADE VILHEM VARNER DIBLASIO. THEY are the ones who have not only maintained, but AUGMENTED the obscene level of taxation, and it was CUOMO who stepped-up the “attack-force” approach to its enforcement. They BOTH should be hung by their testicles, until they are dead. BOTH of them. They are both fascists (although Kaiser Vilhelm prefers to think of himself as a Communist prick — but who am I, to split hairs?) yet, throughout the ENTIRE mass media — and sadly, unfortunately, here as well — I have heard NOTHING said of the taxation directly leading to this confrontation, IN THE FIRST PLACE. Consider that, if the taxes were stripped away from that $15.00 pack of cigarettes, they would cost $2.38. That’s an 84% rate of taxation on a legal product. Would YOU put up with 84% taxation being FORCED upon you, on a product or service that you use on a daily basis? or, on ANY basis whatsoever? Unfortunately, we apparently haven’t learned the lessons from the Prohibition Era well enough. Too bad. Those lessons couldn’t have been MORE clear than they were made. But that’s what you get — that’s what happens, when you’re dealing with Idiots. And in this case, not even “Useful” Idiots: more like UseLESS Idiots ( actually, even worse: DANGEROUS Idiots, because as a consequence of their political stupidity and voting habits, WE ALL SUFFER the consequences: take a look at the society we live in RIGHT NOW, and there’s your proof of that! ).

    Still Educating the Idiots on December 5, 2014 at 11:24 am

      btw: It’s only “84% taxation” if you consider that, of the selling-price ($15.00) “84%” of it is taxes. However, if you calculate the tax-rate the way it usually IS calculated (i.e., in relation to the $2.38 pre-taxed value of the item) then it is a taxation-rate of 530% !! And, btw, THAT is ALL BEFORE the NYC 8.875% SALES TAX is applied! So the FINAL price of the pack of cigarettes is ACTUALLY not $15.00, but $16.33 — effectively (in comparison to the $2.38 base value) a tax-rate of 636%.

      Still Educating the Idiots on December 5, 2014 at 11:59 am

        excuse the typo, above: it’s 686% (not 636%)

        Still Educating the Idiots on December 5, 2014 at 12:04 pm

        also btw: just another interesting tidbit — do you know who is responsible for originally starting all of this selective-prosecution insanity on the part of the government? Although he has magically escaped getting “credit” for being the Primum Mobile of it all (as he has, in the cases of so many other things, as well) I’m sure the answer will absolutely SHOCK you: John “the Sc*mbag” McCain. Yes — it was he, who first initiated the idea of official Congressional action against “Big Tobacco” — ‘way back when. Before that, there had been NONE of this. It’s just too bad that the Viet Cong didn’t finish the job on him, when they’d had the opportunity to do so. They’d have done our country an incalculably-huge favor, had they done so. But I guess they figured he was too valuable of a hostage for them, alive — given that his Daddy was a high-profile, all-important Admiral, don’t-you-know! Personally, I can’t WAIT for a Convention of the States, when we can finally get to repeal the 17th Amendment . . . ( and the 16th, as well . . . )

        Still Educating the Idiots on December 5, 2014 at 12:16 pm

        Still Educating, I want to explain how to correctly do these kinds of calculations. What you did was a common mistake. If the base price is $2.38 before taxes and the final selling price is $16.33 after taxes, then the total amount of taxes is $13.95 (or $16.33 – $2.38). To compute the implicit total tax rate you divide that $13.95 total taxes by the $2.38 base price, which amounts to a 586.13% tax rate. You check this with a calculator by first entering the base price, $2.38, then the “+” key, then 586.13 following by the “%” key. The result is $16.33.

        Ralph Adamo on December 5, 2014 at 4:46 pm

          Yup! — thanks for that, Ralph — much appreciated 🙂

          Still Educating the Idiots on December 6, 2014 at 10:36 am

I knew I wasn’t crazy. I just found this. Those E.M.Ts sucked ass big time. That shocked me more than the police.

“The two EMTs and two paramedics who responded to the Garner call have been suspended without pay because they neglected to help Garner while he was unconscious, according to video of the situation. The EMT can be seen checking Garner’s pulse, but a source told the New York Post that she should have placed Garner on a stretcher immediately and checked his breathing passages. He was never given an oxygen mask, or even checked with a stethoscope.”

MrBigBrain on December 4, 2014 at 6:44 pm

Actually, he was not obligated to answer their questions. He could and should have invoked the 5th and stayed silent. Any good lawyer would tell you that – you never say anything that might be incriminating to police. And you never know what they will use as incriminating evidence, so if police stop you as a suspect comply but keep your lips sealed.

G: Agreed, but law-abiding citizens have nothing to hide. This guy was a career criminal. And invoking the 5th Amendment doesn’t mean you are entitled to resist arrest. It wasn’t not answering questions that led to his being on the ground with several cops. DS

Greg on December 4, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    I think his behavior may have been different had his friend not been filming the episode. He probably thought, “I can behave badly and the police won’t be able to do anything because it’s all on video.”

    The lefties who imposed these draconian cigarette taxes are too dumb to realize that were, at the same time, creating criminal networks of cigarette smugglers and sellers. The government shouldn’t be in the business of fostering organized crime or helping terrorists to make money, and the police shouldn’t be used to control these networks of government-created criminals.

    adam on December 5, 2014 at 11:23 am

The liberal losers are whining about a situation that was made possible by them and their stupid high cigarette-tax anti-smoking legislation.

theShadow on December 4, 2014 at 10:45 pm

As an asthmatic, with a lifelong history of respiratory difficulties, including 8-10 years suffering from Deteriorating Asthma, I’m fairly well qualified to address certain things.

Let’s not get silly here. An asthmatic can certainly gasp out the words “I can’t breathe.”

But a smart, self-aware, law abiding asthmatic would not exacerbate a confrontation with the police. Nervousness, sudden, emotion laden stress is one of the last things an asthmatic needs to deal with. Asthmatic or not, one should do what I said on the previous thread when approached by the police, and what Debbie said in this article.

If you’re not doing anything wrong, don’t give the cops a hard time. If you ARE, or HAVE, done something wrong, . . .

don’t give the cops a hard time. It will only lead to you perhaps DOING hard time. And THAT, will not be the cops’ fault, . . .

if you give them a hard time.

Anyone ever hear the old saying “you catch more flies with honey?” It really works, try it some time.

As for what DS_ROCKS and skzion said, I cannot totally disagree, although I question the “one-third” statistic about sociopaths from DS_R. Still, the man has had his life and experiences, and anecdotal or not, I believe he’s level headed enough to formulate well founded observations. I have certainly seen, heard, and heard of, cops being totally wrong, and totally assholish. I also have known many cops personally, very close personally in some cases.

There’s good and bad everywhere. Look at the all the stories about teachers and sex with students. I also have known of school custodians who have molested students, including me. We can’t indict all teachers or school custodians.

The Bible talks about the full measure of sin. There are certainly more evil people thinking, saying and performing more evil deeds in today’s world. There are also more people in positions that we are supposedly to place more trust in who appear to be more and more evil, priests, teachers, bankers, cops, politicians. This is no accident.

The complete breakdown of the civil society is upon us. This is all in the Bible. The civil society is based on the honor system, but honor, humility, and righteousness are looked upon as outmoded concepts to be snickered at by people like Jon Liebowitz, in favor of being a smartass.

Because of the collapse of the civil society in America, worldwide tyranny will soon set in, because America will be completely dismantled soon. This is all from God, to prove once and for all, that the people we give authority over us are not the ones to turn to for leadership, or help in times of trouble.

ONLY God and His Government can lead, help and save us. That’s what these lessons being played out in our culture are supposed to be reminding us of. Instead we are turning on each other, doing Satan’s bidding of divide and conquer.

Soon, tomorrow, think like it, speak like it, act like it, as distasteful, frightening and horrifying as it is to think of; TOMORROW, we, Americans, will be stabbing each other at the corner store to get the last candy bar.

They said it couldn’t happen here. I said it could, decades ago, so have others. Welcome to Clockwork Orange, American Style.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time 36 years ago, two black, plainclothes detectives on the Lower East Side, investigating some suspicious foot traffic in a building I was buying pot in, actually, after frisking me, having frisked a bunch of others coming out of the building before me, . . .

actually put the bag of pot BACK IN MY POCKET!??!?!!!!

It made shitting in my pants a lot more pleasant when I headed for the subway, glum, out of my money, when I put my hands in the pockets of my winter coat, and felt that bag.

ROTFLMAO!!! Nice cops, good cops, nice cops, VERY nice cops.

They thought they had run in to a heroin operation. LOL!!!

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 4, 2014 at 11:41 pm

Sk- doesn’t trust Blacks, Ok, and this is germane to the article how? Exactly. Pointless bigotry.

After thinking about this more, I think the cop should be restricted to desk duty for a decent amount of time, I think this isn’t his first screw up, but more importantly, I think a lot and I mean a lot of responsibility needs to be on the E.M.Ts. They were ridiculously negligent.

MrBigBrain on December 5, 2014 at 12:47 am

    BDD, sk doesn’t trust “da ‘hood.” Too many “niggas” there–according to a participant here. Forget his name.

    skzion on December 5, 2014 at 9:46 am

Seriously, if he wasn’t obese? So being obese is a reason to die.

Fan of Me on December 5, 2014 at 1:33 am

I guess that if the police officer, instead, had decided to spend his time tying up traffic, looting stores or setting fires, nothing would have happened to him, and no charges would be considered.

Little Al on December 5, 2014 at 7:35 am

I also wonder if Mr. Garner smoked. Duh, if he was selling cigarettes…

But of course our politically correct politicians are not taking advantage of this tremendous opportunity to discuss this clear example of how smoking can contribute to premature death.

Little Al on December 5, 2014 at 8:27 am

One fact that is missing from this narrative is that there was a black, female police officer, a sergeant, who was at the scene. As a senior officer she was in command when the take down took place. Is she also a racist cop who targets blacks?

Jerry G on December 5, 2014 at 9:45 am

I guarantee you if anyone was put in a chokehold yos also wouldnt breathe and die if you held on long enough. A choke hold. Don’t you get it Debbie? Choke, it cuts off breathing. If MMA fighter Ronda Rousey put you in a chokehold and you tapped out and she didnt let up you too would be suffocated and dead. And we could just blame it on you that you were too skinny. Sad excuse.

Fan of Me on December 5, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Not JUST cutting off breathing; it ALSO cuts off the blood-supply to the brain, from the carotid arteries. No air to the lungs, & no blood to the brain. So what’s the big deal ??

    Still Educating the Idiots on December 5, 2014 at 11:41 am

Eric Garner would also still be breathing if he hadn’t lived in a totalitarian, socialist society that makes it illegal for private citizens to resell a commodity on the open market.

T: While I oppose taxes on cigarettes and the inability to resell them, since that is illegal and since we tax them, how is this fair to legal sellers who must charge and pay the taxes? You think it’s okay for these people to flout the law and have an advantage over law-abiding businesses? This is the same black market that Hezbollah money launderers use to fund terrorism. You support them being able to break the law like this? If it were not illegal for private citizens to resell cigarettes (that are UNtaxed), then everyone would be doing it, and Eric Garner wouldn’t have been b/c he wouldn’t be able to make money off of it. DS

Tribuckeye on December 5, 2014 at 11:04 am

@ Sk-Zion- Touchè.
@ Alfy- see you make someone’s argument valid. You possessed some weed, they put it back in your pocket why? It was weed. Just as Garner supposedly had cigs. Take them, destroy them, go about your day? Simple enough right? That’s what Tell lie Vision shows us, cops giving people passes, also shooting to wound lol.

Another question, did E Garner have cigs on his person? Where are the cigs he was suppose to have? He’s too big to stash them quickly. Where are the cigs, cigs cigs come out come out wherever you are. Ally ally ally cats free. Where are the cigs?

MrBigBrain on December 5, 2014 at 12:16 pm

A criminal is a criminal. To hear the media, it’s as always, white man = black hating murderer, black man = innocent hunted victim. I guess the St. Louis Rams will have players running out on the field with a cigarettes now.

William on December 5, 2014 at 4:03 pm

It is incredible how few individuals and commentators calling themselves right-of-center understand that the basic unifying issue in the Ferguson and New York cases is the animalistic behavior in the Black Community, both among those the police stop and among those individuals who have been rioting, looting and generally causing mayhem.

Amazingly, a cut-and-dried issue seems to have become a litmus test that few are passing. We saw that after Obama’s victory in 2008, seemingly conservative commentators such as Peggy Noonan (if you want to dignify them with that description) went over basically to Obama’s side. Kathleen Parker was another example during that time (does anyone even know who she is now?)

Today, the Republicans have won a landslide victory, rather than having experienced a landslide defeat, and Republican after Republican, columnist after columnist, is bending over backward to criticize the New York grand jury in the face of this victory, with evermore tortured reasoning. The wanton violence, racism, thuggery and politically-correct brainwashing of Blacks is ignored, and the respondents dredge up incidents from their lives, completely irrelevant to the circumstances in New York, to criticize the police and grand jury.

Perhaps opportunism is at work here, too. Perhaps these public figures understand that the Republicans won only a pyrrhic victory in 2014, and that their general drift is to more and more become water carriers for the liberals. They see where the money and consulting jobs and speaking engagement are. I’m sure Ms. Bush (who chose a slightly different issue to attack conservatives on) realizes she will get more money in speaking engagement fees by following the liberals rather than the conservatives, and politicians realize they will get more Federal largess by attacking conservatives who seem to be lacking even one representative on a national level.

What is harder to understand is the extent to which this liberal feeling permeates the discussion on this blog. Confronted with the riotous behavior of suspects who are stopped, and of supporters who act like little children, some contributors seem to have dredged up personal ‘traumas’ experienced with the police irrelevant though they be,in order to criticize the Grand Jury. I guess it just shows that the ‘conservative’ politicians and commentators know where their bread is buttered. Their polls probably predicted this sort of reaction. The miseducation of more than a century has shown itself alive and well among some of the discussants here.

Little Al on December 5, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    Little Al, which “discussants” do you have in mind, besides BigD? BigD is no conservative, by the way.

    Speaking for myself, I have not criticized the grand jury at all.

    Please elaborate.

    skzion on December 7, 2014 at 1:05 am

Oh, its ally ally ally oxen free, lol, I never knew what the hell those kids were saying ha ha ha, but you get my funny, where are the cigs.

Lil Al- This is about police brutality.Police over-reacting. He was out on bail, why not make him turn around, put his hands on the wall, search him for the cigs, if found, cuff him, did they say anything, nah they just attacked. Screw Ferguson, people with brains know that was madness and the kid did wrong. Ferguson and New York do not have parallels.

MrBigBrain on December 5, 2014 at 4:11 pm

Incredible — you dare question the emotionalism of a seemingly conservative contributor and you get gibberish that a 3rd grader would be ashamed of. Just shows the brittleness of the ‘ideas’ held by such people.

Little Al on December 5, 2014 at 4:28 pm

A parallel is that if you fuck around with the police you will mosty likely get in trouble and may get killed. I think these two individuals black or not should be the example of how not to act when confronted by a police officer. I have as well as many others have been confronted by police and we did not get into trouble because we respected the police authority, did what they asked us to, etc.

Panhandle on December 5, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Michael Savage once again has proven Debbie’s low opinions of him, by swallowing the “chokehold” party line and attacking the jury that decided not to indict. Just as with George Zimmerman.

ConcernedPatriot on December 5, 2014 at 9:05 pm

If fault lies with anyone on the city payroll, it’s De Blasio himself. HE’s the one who told the police to aggressively focus on this (let’s face it, relatively minor) offense. And he made that demand only a few days before the guy died.

How amazingly convenient that the very same mayor now wants to have a “conversation about race” (whatever that means). Diversion, much?

J. Craig on December 6, 2014 at 7:47 pm

Mayor DeCommio, fixing the plantation, . . .

one honky mofo at a time.

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock,
that’s the sound of Amerika’s clock, . . .

counting down to zero.

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 6, 2014 at 9:04 pm

This is the most ignorant nonsense I’ve read in my life. This twat is basically accusing Garner of being obese and asthmatic.. this is his fault.. shame on him. NO. BITCH. Those cops should’ve considered this before crushing his trachea. But maybe they’re too moronic to realize or comprehend something like this. Are you implying that he’d be alive today if, instead of gasping “I can’t breathe”, he should’ve known better and said “I’m an obese asthmatic.” Again.. NO. BITCH. He was peddling cigarettes; he didn’t murder an entire school bus of children. But apparently you fuckers think the same apprehension techniques are appropriate in each situation. Give me a break. He was murdered by those incompetent EMTs and deadbeat policemen. This is the saddest thing ever. Black or white, this man and his family was done wrong. All of you would be devastated if the same exact scenario happened to someone in your family. You’re a damn liar if you say otherwise. I’m so sorry this happened to you, Eric. May your soul rest in peace.

Debbie Ufckinkunt on December 7, 2014 at 12:26 am

    WELL, DU, you make a powerful case. I don’t see why anyone could, in good conscience, criticize the typical behavior of such upstanding black communities.

    skzion on December 7, 2014 at 1:09 am

    Ummmmm, . . .

    Decredited University of Celiac/Peanut Allergies/Disorders.

    We are familiar with your kind around here.

    (i) That was not racial, but I’m sure you’ll find a way to take it that way;
    (ii) Yes, I’m baiting you;
    (iii) What I meant by your kind, is trolls;
    (iv) All trolls can read, but not all trolls can use paragraphs, spell with proficiency, or use proper grammar;
    (v) You did well on everything except the paragraph thingy;
    (vi) I am not being condescending, because I am less than what’s on the bottom of your shoe;
    (vii) I STILL don’t know if it’s chicken or fish, so who’s more dumber than a box of rocks, me or Jessica Simpson?;
    (viii) I DO know, that you’re dead wrong about what you said.

    WHEREAS, Decredited University of Celiac/Peanut Allergies/Disorders has undertaken to slander and accuse The Hostess of things which were neither said nor implied, it is hereby, . . .

    UNDERSTOOD and AGREED that Discredited Underling of George Soros/Al Sharpton has failed miserably in the attempted task of accusing The Hostess and Membership of this honorable web site of things that are simply untrue, . . .

    BECAUSE, Discredited Undertaker from Bulgaria did not read for context or address issues specifically without resorting to personal attacks and foul language, it is hereby . . .

    UNDERSTOOD and AGREED, that Decredited University of Race Hucksters has, like almost all trolls, failed to substantively address the particulars in the above stated article, and is . . .

    THEREFORE RELEGATED to the annals (or is it ANALS?) of the . . .

    Decredited University of Trolldom (a/k/a Trolldumb).

    Alfredo from Puerto Rico on December 7, 2014 at 7:15 pm

    Du, it is sad to see a child in an adult’s body. Your rage is that of a child, rather than of an adult.

    Worry01 on December 9, 2014 at 5:36 am

The Eric Garner story only proves that one way or another, cigarettes will get you killed.

Ralph Adamo on December 7, 2014 at 6:16 am

    Mr. Adamo, this is on the topic we discussed a few days ago.

    Did you notice that in the last two days there were reports of a new, major whistleblowing case involving the Social Security Administration?

    Marcus on December 7, 2014 at 7:11 pm

      If you are referring to Michael Keegan, and the $300 million computer system (processing disability claims) that has yet to launch, the outcome remains to be seen. I don’t know enough facts about his disclosure. If it involved his job duties, then the SCOTUS Garcetti v. Ceballos ruling kicks in and Mr. Keegan will be out of luck insofar as legal protection is concerned. However, if he disclosed his findings to Congress before they took retaliatory action against him and they knew they he did that, he might have a claim under the First Amendment. So we’ll have to see if he, in fact, gets any protection and compensation under the law. Either way, I commend him for taking action, and I hope that he has a case and is ultimately successful. There may be some political forces favoring him that could also play out positively for him, but those too remain to be seen. But thanks for bringing this case up.

      Ralph Adamo on December 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm

*but why* would that intrude on your rebuttal –

Even as he makes you rodeo clowns do a victory dance over bogus police brutality issues. Jerks

japple on December 7, 2014 at 3:52 pm

“First they came for the blacks…”

Wise up, Debbie.

S M Tenneshaw on December 7, 2014 at 9:48 pm

Given Debbie’s points about how HAMAS CAIR worked behind the scenes to help spur the Ferguson riots, how much is anyone willing to bet that they also have or had a hand in the recent disturbances in “response” to the Garner case in NYC and elsewhere? In any event, NFG can come out of it.

ConcernedPatriot on December 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm

And NFG = no effin’ good.

ConcernedPatriot on December 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm

Even though Ms. Garner downplayed the racial issue, the Rev. Al Sharpton, who also appeared on “Meet the Press,” said questions need to be asked as to whether Mr. Garner’s race contributed to his death.

There was also a story about how Al Sharpton was going to attend the funeral of the guy who was killed on that New York stairwell, but the family told him to stay away. Called him an opportunist among other things and that he was fake and insincere, see people, Blacks are learning, seeing him for what he is. I thought that was a good story.

I always see people bringing up Al and Jesse, Jesse is impotent as a “so called Black leader” Blacks don’t pay attention to him anymore, actually for a long time. Jesse doesn’t say much or do much anymore, so fraudulent. As for Al, sometimes he does well then other times he regresses right back to that B.S. Picking and choosing, making things racial when they are not.

You see in the above paragraph, Eric’s wife, says, “this was not racial” but Al, is saying, “yes it is, we need to explore this” lol. His wife clearly says, “my husband sold loose cigs and the police knew him and always messed with him.” Al, that’s not racial, that is a man who repeatedly breaks the law, so the cops, police him. That’s all, but this last incident was over the top, extreme force, unnecessary. Has anyone found the cigs he was suppose to have been selling? Still nothing huh?

MrBigBrain on December 9, 2014 at 7:32 pm

Has NYPD released the cigs to Garner’s family along with the rest of his property? Has it been proven beyond a reasonable doubt Garner was selling cigs. The cop in the vid only alleges. He told Garner he was ‘taking him in’ after Garner (a guy they are familiar with) says he didn’t have ID on him.

The reason I keep sounding like a broken record people, the man didn’t have cigarettes on him. Which makes this crime much worse. MUCH.

MrBigBrain on December 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm

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