May 27, 2008, - 2:27 pm

About Obama’s Newly-Surfaced “Auschwitz Liberator” Uncle

By Debbie Schlussel
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When he’s not saying a whole lotta nothin’, Barack Hussein Obama is usually making stuff up, changing his story, or engaging in some other sort of lying.
That’s why I’m skeptical–along with many readers–of Obama’s Memorial Day comments yesterday about an uncle who allegedly liberated Auschwitz:

“In World War Two we didn’t have the concept of post traumatic stress syndrome. People had to basically handle it on their own,” he said. Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: “The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic.”

Bill Warner sends this photo of Auschwitz Liberation . . .

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Which One of These is Obama’s Uncle?

Soviet troops liberate the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp on January 27, 1945.

Photo credit: Meczenstwo Walka, Zaglada Zydow Polsce 1939-1945. Poland. No. 538.

After all the anti-Israel and anti-Semitic stuff he and his advisors and cronies have uttered and engaged in, what better way to try to get back some of that “stubborn” Jewish vote he’s squandered, than to suddenly conjure up an uncle who liberated Jews from the Nazis?
And it seems to have worked with at least one (and actually the majority) of my gullible fellow co-religionists:

Afterward, Paul Weinbaum, 66, beamed his approval of a candidate who had captured both his frustrations and his desire.
“There is hope for America,” he said. “The sincerity comes through.”
He wore a straw cowboy hat, a Star of David necklace and, on his lapel, the crossed rifles of an infantryman, which took some explaining. Weinbaum served in the Navy during Vietnam, but after the war emerged into an economy that could not give him civilian work. “I got out of the Navy, went to college: No jobs. So I joined the Army.”

We’ve never heard of this unnamed, anonymous, allegedly Auschwitz-liberating uncle before. So, it’s odd, he suddenly “remembered” this person (if the person even exists).
Either way–imaginary uncle or not–no Jew, no American should vote for a guy based on whether his uncle saved Jews now mostly dead or dying from Nazis now mostly dead or dying, when Obama, himself, comiserates with and wants to appease the new Nazis of Islam around the world, including Der Fuhrer Ahmadinejad.
Who cares if your relatives liberated people, when you want to break pita with the modern incarnations of their murderers and tormentors?
Oh, by the way, did you hear? Michelle Hussein Obama’s aunt was in the Haganah.
**** UPDATE: Reader Craig writes:

Umm, Deb, Auschwitz is in POLAND and was liberated by the Soviet Red Army in Jan or Feb of 1945 . . . . Was his uncle in the Red Army?

Yes, and his aunt had an office in the Kremlin. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
**** UPDATE #2: FOX News reports this as being Obama’s exact quote–surely a lie:

I had a [sic] uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps and the story in our family is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he did’t leave the house for six months, right. Now obviously something had really affected him deeply but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain.

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66 Responses

So…Obama’s uncle fought with the USSR ??
I read that Auschwitz was liberated by soldiers of the Soviet Union in the First Army of the Ukrainian Front, under the command of Marshal Koniev, on January 27, 1945.
Comrade Obama, anyone ???
Wait….Obama must be just seeing Dead People again…

Shootist on May 27, 2008 at 2:46 pm

“Barack Hussein Obama is usually making stuff up”
The nonsense never stops.

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 3:13 pm

For the record, he didn’t actually say his Uncle liberated Auschwitz.

Antonio Gramsci on May 27, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Debbie, can you print the quote where Obama mentions an uncle who “liberated” Auschwitz. If not, kindly print a retraction. I know you wouldn’t make stuff up.
[A: THE EXACT QUOTE IS POSTED ABOVE IN UPDATE #2. DS]

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 3:36 pm

This is for Audacious, courtesy of The Ace of Spades HQ:
Update [ace]: The WaPo quotes him as claiming his uncle was one of the first US troops to enter Auschwitz, with no claim of liberating it:
“In World War Two we didn’t have the concept of post traumatic stress syndrome. People had to basically handle it on their own,” he said. Referring to an uncle who had been one of the first U.S. troops into Auschwitz, the concentration camp, Obama said: “The story in the family is he came home and just went up in the attic.”
No matter what… this guy is either a massive pathological liar or he is delusional… he believes his own hype, true or not. What an idiot, what a joke he makes of us for the world.

FreeAmerican on May 27, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Liberals are able to recognize past evils with amazing aplomb. Too bad they fall short in dealing with contemporary evils that imperil our world.

NormanF on May 27, 2008 at 4:46 pm

FreeAmerican, I don’t understand your point.
Obama did not say his uncle liberated Auschwitz. He only said that his uncle was one of the first American’s to visit Auschwitz. In what way does this conflict with the fact that the Russian’s liberated Auschwitz?
Or are you trying to suggest that no Americans ever visited Auschwitz??

Antonio Gramsci on May 27, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Next it will be an aunt or great aunt (a “distant” relative) who co-founded the Red Cross with Clara Barton; or who, along with Susan B. Anthony, was one of the first suffragettes; or who beat Marie Curie to the discovery of radium; etc. ad nauseum.
The lying never stops in the Dhimmicrat Party, especially with their presidential candidates . . .

theendisnear on May 27, 2008 at 5:00 pm

“The lying never stops in the Dhimmicrat Party, especially with their presidential candidates . . .”
..and the fact that we have just demonstrated that he hasn’t actually lied, fails to register with the brain-dead morons who support the Repugnant Party.

Antonio Gramsci on May 27, 2008 at 5:22 pm

Thanks, Free American, for the clarification. But it will make no difference to this website, or Malkin’s, or Little Green Footballs, or on Hannity’s show, where the ’08 Presidential election in America, the greatest country in the world, will continue to be reduced to trivialities.

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 5:53 pm

Of course the implication of being one of the first to enter Auschwitz suggests that he helped liberate it. Given the dumbing down of people in this country, few will pick up the small nuance of difference. And even many of those who pick up the difference will vote for him because he supposedly shows a sensitivity towards Jews, form over substance over and over again. Just like the phony conservative talk show hosts; if McCain would only MAKE A GESTURE towards conservatives — whether it means anything or not, just some lip service so they can push for him. Pathetic.

c f on May 27, 2008 at 6:03 pm

ONCE AGAIN, COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT B.O. STINKS. WONDER HOW PROUD HIS SKANKY MAN/WIFE MUST BE.

samurai on May 27, 2008 at 6:29 pm

It’s testimony to the blind loyalty of B.O. supporters (as well as stupid/hateful libs) the kinds of defensive posts they write. The defending they do are ALL weak and misleading if not out and out lies. This guy hates his country with it’s 57 states:P

samurai on May 27, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Apparently, it was Obama’s great-uncle who participated in the liberation of BUCHENWALD and not AUSCHWITZ.

Tordenvaer on May 27, 2008 at 7:16 pm

AUSCHWITZ, BUCHENWALD…what’s the difference?
It’s all ancient history to Obama, and as we have seen, learning from history is for loooooosers!
Anyway, anything that happened before the 60’s is irrelevant…right???
OMG! But doesn’t he look so cute when he smiles! All so multi-racial and everything! Like I feeeel so gooood about him, I just wanna scream…!

nodog on May 27, 2008 at 8:30 pm

The video is all over youtube. And the quote is not “surely a lie,” as Debbie writes. His uncle was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz . . . and liberate the concentration camps. The clarification came hours ago as he had a great uncle who participated in the liberation of Buchenwald.
But I’m sure you’ll be running a recap later in the year of all of Obama’s supposed “lies,” according to you, and this will surely be on the list.

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 8:39 pm

I can understand Obama’s uncle liberating Auschwitz because Obama is an Islamo Marxist and his uncle or grandfather was probably a Commie fighting for the Red Army (snicker).
All these gaffes b. Hussein Obama is making. Maybe he is using cocaine or meth amphetamines as detailed by Jack Wheeler, http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/is-obama-on-dru.html
There’s no need to fear. Underzog is here!

Underzog on May 27, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Audacious, you are one of the best examples of being dumbed down that I have ever seen. Anyone with an IQ higher than a moron would see that whatever his uncle did or didn’t do has nothng to do with Obama’s policies; as I said, whether this story about his uncle, or great uncle is true or not, it just serves as wish-fulfillment for people who have already been brainwashed into voting for Obama & just need a little push because of all the anti-Semitism he is associated with and that he supports.

c f on May 27, 2008 at 9:46 pm

American troops never entered Auschwitz. It was part of the Soviet zone of occupation, and in fact, American troops didn’t get to cross the Elbe River, let alone the Oder!
Deal with it, Obamatrons. He’s making this up and pandering to a Jewish audience. Buchenwald is NOT the same as Auschwitz: Buchenwald was established to hold political prisoners; Auschwitz, Birkenau, Majdanek, Theresienstadt…basically the camps in Austria, Poland and Czechoslovakia were the extermination camps. Dachau, Buchenwald and Bergen-Belsen became death camps LATER in the War. As much as you might want to, you CAN’T CHANGE HISTORY because you don’t want Obambi to be shown as a pandering, lying, empty suit!

Sharps Rifle on May 27, 2008 at 10:12 pm

Hmm, funny how no one seemed to notice the timing of this “revelation”. I have an idea, maybe people should study history books and archival films and first person accounts. Better still find a survivor and ask that person.

OneIrishJew on May 27, 2008 at 10:38 pm

c f,
There really is no need for hostility.

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 11:08 pm

OK, here’s the Washington Post’s quote from the Obama campaign itself:
“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,” said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton this afternoon in a statement, which also clarified that the great-uncle “Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, the First Camp Liberated by Americans, on April 4, 1945.”
But hey, Buchenwald, Auschwitz — they both have “U” as the second letter, right? And great-uncle, uncle, third cousin twice removed — it’s a big family!
Obama’s point was that his relative’s experience so deeply impressed him that his is committed to “giving the same priority to building a 21st-century VA as to building a 21st-century military.” He made the point about this highly charged experience in his sole appearance on Memorial Day.
Let’s not upset Audacious by pointing out the fact that this is sheer pandering, that if it had made the impression he says it did he’d have gotten the details RIGHT — especially in his ONLY speech of the day.
At this point, Obama could claim that he threw himself over Jackie to protect her in Dallas, found Hussein in the spider-hole, and invented edible underwear and Audacious would still defend him.

DocLiberty on May 27, 2008 at 11:18 pm

“At this point, Obama could claim that he threw himself over Jackie to protect her in Dallas, found Hussein in the spider-hole, and invented edible underwear and Audacious would still defend him.”
No, I wouldn’t do that, Doc. But I will defend him on this minor gaffe. The point is he did have an uncle who had a difficult time re-adjusting to society. This is pandering?

Audacious on May 27, 2008 at 11:34 pm

The Soviets didn’t share their victories with anyone. A Presidential candidate should know that. Obama is a charter member of the Jesse Jackson school of Fraud. I don’t suppose Jackson would let BHO wear the shirt – stained with Martin Luther King’s blood – that Jackson insisted on wearing for 3 days after that assassination. Anything for “creds.”

supercargo on May 27, 2008 at 11:38 pm

c f,
I just re-read your line that Obama supports anti-Semitism. Missed it on the first read.
Where do you get this crap? Let me guess. This website.

Audacious on May 28, 2008 at 12:05 am

Excuse me, you filthy F**K Aud*******
To begin with, you concider this a minor gaffe?? How dare you even comment on this story! One, it was NOT an Uncle perhaps a great Uncle but not an Uncle, his mother had no brothers! and no one from his Arab-Negro family ever served in the United States Military-so get that fact straight before you type anything!
Secondly, His statement was to provoke an emotion not a fact. One, 90% of our population in this country doesn’t even know what and where Buchenwald was or is or how it related to the war. He deliberatly used the word AUSCHWITZ because everyone has heard of that place-it would immediatly invoke an emotion of a DEATH CAMP and somehow his Uncle(twice removed from BO bastar*) would spark in people’s mental sphere that BO would know what it must have been like to be a JEW in Germany-He created a personal connection to the willing sheep.
Thirdly, It wasn’t even BUCHENWALD his supposed Uncle liberated, it was Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, not a DEATH CAMP but a work camp, evil yes, but not a camp with ovens killing my relatives. His whole statement was misleading and a lie pure and simple and no amount of your insideous bullsh*t will change that fact.
I find BO and you repugnant for even bringing up this story to garner votes-You both deserve to rot in HELL!

wolf2012 on May 28, 2008 at 12:41 am

Audacious, you silly old cutthroat. Good to see you’re still not able to properly debate. Makes taking you down a peg easier.
Here’s something we LDS folk have perfected to a near science – geneology. We do it for many reasons, but HOW we do it is important. Whenever the neighbors come over to socialize, conversations always drift on our ancestors. That is when the file folders and downloaded images come in.
We always have to have the records of our ancestors to back up our claims of them. We always bring out our vast collections of portraits, photographs, legal documents, service records – anything that is tied to that ancestor.
The reason is many fold: this ancestor could be linked to your neighbor in some way, and thus helps them to find more family; or the ancestor may be significant to your community’s history; or even just to back up your claims for credability reasons. There are countless reasons to have those records on hand.
Now, I understand B. Hussain is new to the whole geneology art and I’m willing to give him a temporary pass on one condition: he must bring out his uncle’s records to the public domain. If he can’t, then I can only surmise that this is just the usual history manipulation: Lincoln was gay, so gays are honorable and demand special treatment; the founding father’s were secretly Muslim, so Muslims should rule your country – and this is just the recent bull plop used to legitimize sin and atrocities. So why not tie an uncle into the Auschwitz Liberator history – especially when Obama bin Laden’s die hard fans won’t check the facts themselves…
Or count on Liberal SS officers like Maxwell Audacious to speak PC-ese to those brainwashed slaves of the DNC.
Sorry, Audacious; I don’t speak PC.

bhparkman on May 28, 2008 at 1:01 am

My late father ended WW2 reporting to Patton. He wouldn’t talk much about his experiences liberating a POW camp.
But I know what his response would have been to a politician attempting to use such events to get elected.

NickFury on May 28, 2008 at 1:54 am

Audacious, I guess you must have memory deficit disorder also. You’ve obviously forgotten all the anti-Semitic comments of Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, all the interfaces with Farrakhan, and his reluctance to disassociate himself from that creep, his consistent encouragement to Israel to undertake measures that would hasten its destruction, the involvement of Nation of Islam Nazis in his campaigns present & past, and open attitude towards Iran. Anti-semitic terrorists have taken over Lebanon, and not a peep from Hussein. Durban II is taking place in Switzerland and not a peep from Hussein. Actions speak louder than words.

c f on May 28, 2008 at 3:10 am

[QUOTE Samurai]
ONCE AGAIN, COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT B.O. STINKS. WONDER HOW PROUD HIS SKANKY MAN/WIFE MUST BE.
Posted by: samurai at May 27, 2008 06:29 PM
It’s testimony to the blind loyalty of B.O. supporters (as well as stupid/hateful libs) the kinds of defensive posts they write. The defending they do are ALL weak and misleading if not out and out lies. This guy hates his country with it’s 57 states:P
Posted by: samurai at May 27, 2008 06:44 PM
[END Quote Samurai]
Samurai, you call Liberals stupid and hateful, but look at your first paragraph there. You don’t see a dichotomy?
It’s you far-right types that hate America. America is starting to terrify you. That’s why the rhetoric on these threads is becoming more hysterical by the day.
Your worst nightmare is approaching. There is a very real chance that a black man will be the very next president of the USA. Almost as scary for you is the fact that the world in general, and America in particular, is turning their backs on the nasty brand of extreme conservatism that you espouse. Finally, the catastrophic failure of the Iraq war has put the lie to the idea that America can do what it wants, wherever it wants.
Now all that’s left for you is to come to websites like this and rage impotently against a world and a nation that you increasingly don’t understand.
Welcome to your nightmare people, I hope you never awaken from it.

No Pasaran! on May 28, 2008 at 3:37 am

Once again we are subjected to the mindless commentary from the blowholes of Bodacious (as in bodacious idiot) and No Chingaron to support B.O. and his rhetorical BS. You two dweebs can’t get your pin-sized heads out of your respective anal orifices to see that nobody wants to put any credence in what Obama says because it’s all lies. Here’s a puke who can’t separate fact from fiction yet you’d put your blind faith in him to lead the greatest country in the free world.
God help us.

1shot1kill on May 28, 2008 at 10:00 am

Maxwell Audacious wrote, “The point is he did have an uncle”
No, he did not.
“who had a difficult time re-adjusting to society.”
Since he had no uncle, this is also untrue. But let’s be charitable and extend it to the great-uncle: we have no one’s word but his on this. Given the factual nature of the rest of the “minor gaffe” I’d guess “had a difficult time re-adjusting to society” translates to “got a job, got married and became a productive member of society.”
“This is pandering?”
Yes.
Oh, for NoPar: what are the chances of a “black” (using the Jim Crow “one drop” rules) man being elected leader of any of your crappy little Euro-failures?

DocLiberty on May 28, 2008 at 11:12 am

“Once again we are subjected to the mindless commentary from the blowholes of Bodacious (as in bodacious idiot) and No Chingaron to support B.O. and his rhetorical BS.”
1shitikill, you are so stupid you can’t even do insults properly.
**
“You two dweebs can’t get your pin-sized heads out of your respective anal orifices to see that nobody wants to put any credence in what Obama says because it’s all lies.”
See what I mean? Your stuff would have been dated 30 years ago.
I mean ‘dweebs’!! WTF? Are we back in high school now?
Oh and as for “nobody wants to put any credence in what Obama says…” How do you account for his lead in the opinion polls? Do you think your KKK or National Socialist candidate could do any better?
**
“Here’s a puke who can’t separate fact from fiction yet you’d put your blind faith in him to lead the greatest country in the free world.”
I think you’ll find his running for President of the United States of America, so nothing to do with the greatest country in the free world.
**
“God help us.”
Here’s the news. God doesn’t exist.

No Pasaran! on May 28, 2008 at 1:27 pm

Well, the dynamic duo are at it again. I feel sorry for No Pasaran though. This person obviously has severe mental disorders, as shown by extremely disorganized and disjointed thinking. This incoherent, disjointed rant, characterized by a flight and severe disconnectiveness of ideas seems to be psychotic or at least borderline psychosis. Even the delusions about Hussein are not as significant. It is a well known fact that radical left-wing politics attracts misfits who have difficulty functioning in normal society. They tend to blame society (capitalist ‘pigs’) or people like Bush for their own personal shortcomings and inadequacies. Hopefully they can get help.

c f on May 28, 2008 at 1:45 pm

To add insult to insult:
In the quest to find an actual concentration camp liberated by US forces, the BO camp found and issued their clarifing statement to support BO.
“Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically,” said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton this afternoon in a statement, which also clarified that the great-uncle “Served in the 89th Infantry Division that Liberated Ohrdruf, a Subcamp of Buchenwald, the First Camp Liberated by Americans, on April 4, 1945.”
In their haste to find an actual camp, they found Ohrdruf, and the horrors of this place are well documented-To BO and his camp this would clarify things to the unsuspecting public, ie. The 89th Infantry division liberated this camp-end of story.
What they failed to recognise was the fact that people would actually research this more closely.
His great uncle Charles W. Payne was not assigned to the 89th Infantry Division of the US Army or any of the other Infantry Divisions that helped in the liberation of this death camp.
Here are the enlistment records of Charles W. Payne, brother of Madelyn Payne, great uncle of Obama:
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10 Nov ’42, Navy, 6293977 REgistered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
According to geneology records this is the brother of his grandmother-Charles W. Payne was abord ship in the North Atlantic not in a Infantry Division of the Army. As I stated earlier, I find this story repulsive and repugnant-One telling the lie to begin with, and two, creating another lie to cover up the first one. But this isn’t the first time BO has lied about family members and their “heroics” in the military.
Everyone is talking about the recent Obama gaffe about how his uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz death camp at the end of World War II. But the fact is, this is the second time Obama made the same statement.
From Obamaís 2002 speech:
ìMy grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Pattonís army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.î
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obamaís_Iraq_Speech
1. The only US Army WWII enlistment record that could possibly be Obamaís grandfather has him enlisting in January 1942, not December 1941.
2. In his autobiography Obama claims his grandfather never engaged in combat
ìGramps returned from the war never having seen real combat, and the family moved to California, where he enrolled at Berkeley under the GI bill. But the classroom couldnít contain his ambitions, his restlessness, and so the family moved againÖî
3. Auschwitz *and* Treblinka were BOTH liberated by the Red Army. Anybody who knows anything about history knows this. Particularly since both Auschwitz and Treblinka are both in Poland!
I’m sure tomorrow the BO camp will issue another statement to clarify the other two statements-and then it will just boil down to he never acually said anything, it was all made up by the Hillary camp to smear his good name.
The AUDACITY of this story is overwhelming and any service member should be repulsed about this, along with the Jew’s and any sane American casting his or her vote come November.

wolf2012 on May 28, 2008 at 2:45 pm

“Well, the dynamic duo are at it again. I feel sorry for No Pasaran though. This person obviously has severe mental disorders, as shown by extremely disorganized and disjointed thinking. ”
Ahh bless. someone’s brought c f a dictionary for his birthday. He’s now using words with two and sometimes even THREE syllables…
Ooohs a clevah boy den?
**
“This incoherent, disjointed rant, characterized by a flight and severe disconnectiveness of ideas seems to be psychotic or at least borderline psychosis.”
Oddly that description sounds exactly like the typical KKK inspired rant you rightist nutjobs have been posting here this last couple of years.
**
“Even the delusions about Hussein are not as significant.”
Ohhhhh kaaaaay – I’ll give a Ä5 prize to anyone who can understand the relevance of this last sentence.
Answers on a postcard please…
**
“It is a well known fact that radical left-wing politics attracts misfits who have difficulty functioning in normal society.”
Well I function pretty well in normal society thank you very much. I’m happily married to an American wife (well someone has to be) with two great kids. I’m Director of Account Planning at an Advertising Agency that I own 50% of, and I coach little league cricket.
All very normal, unless viewed from the perspective of a racist scumball like you.
**
“They tend to blame society (capitalist ‘pigs’) or people like Bush for their own personal shortcomings and inadequacies.”
Actually I don’t blame my society for anything, I’m a big fan of my society. It’s your society that scares the shit out of me. But seeing as i live 7000 km. away, it’s not that much of a problem for me.
**
“Hopefully they can get help.”
Don’t need any.
You on the other hand…

No Pasaran! on May 28, 2008 at 3:17 pm

No sense of identity either; your mimicry and multiplicity of dialects betrays a weak sense of self. It also seems strange that someone supposedly living in Europe feels so acutely the issues of American politics; quite likely explained in part by a sense of alienation. Re your lack of reading comprehension, I was saying that your delusions about Hussein are less significant than your overall departure from reality.

c f on May 28, 2008 at 3:59 pm

One more thing — we keep hearing about Hussein’s uncle, great-uncle or whoever he is who may have walked past a concentration camp — no relevance for tody.
What DOES have relevance is Obama’s worthless rabble-rousing cousin in Kenya who is trying is best to steal elections and weaken Kenya’s pro-Western orientation. What do you two clowns think about Obama’s cousin? More immediate than his uncle, a player in current events, someone Hussein will interface with? We all know the answer.

c f on May 28, 2008 at 4:09 pm

“No sense of identity either; your mimicry and multiplicity of dialects betrays a weak sense of self.”
ahhh bless. Someone’s brought him ‘Psychology for Dummies’ for his birthday. So now he can hold cliched, hackneyed, and superficial opinions on an even wider range of subjects.
Ooohs a clevah boy den?
**
“It also seems strange that someone supposedly living in Europe feels so acutely the issues of American politics; quite likely explained in part by a sense of alienation.”
Alienation from what exactly? Your racism? Your hatred of your fellow man? Your hatred of America?
Yes it’s true. I’m alienated from all those things.
**
” Re your lack of reading comprehension, I was saying that your delusions about Hussein are less significant than your overall departure from reality.”
My reading comprehension is fine, it’s your twisted logic that is at fault.
I have no delusions over Obama, he’s a moderate conservative, and though his views are less disgusting than yours, I hold out little hope for him or an Obama presidency.

No Pasaran! on May 28, 2008 at 4:34 pm

One clarifing point Pasaran,
You state that obama is a moderate conservative, you must have him confused with Hillary and McCain. Both of them can be conciderded moderate, McCain “conservative” and I use that term loosly, but BO is a hard line Liberal-Democrat.
Conservatives are Republican. If you’re going to preach about our government, at least get the terms correct.

wolf2012 on May 28, 2008 at 4:41 pm

“Conservatives are Republican. If you’re going to preach about our government, at least get the terms correct.”
Oh, but I did.
Political compass did an analysis of all the stated positions of the candidates and their voting records, and he came out a Conservative. Of all the candidates only Kucinich and Nader are just about left of centre.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

No Pasaran! on May 28, 2008 at 4:55 pm

As mentioned above American soldiers were not allowed in Soviet territory. I had two uncles who by chanced met in Berlin. They spent the day taking photographs of each other and of friends. That night they left the photographs at a German store to be developed. The next day they found the Soviets had grabbed every film in Berlin. Why? Who knows, it is just the way the Soviets worked. Nothing on the photographs of any real value.

Burt on May 28, 2008 at 5:57 pm

Wolf, ya gotta relax there, brother. It’s Obama’s goal, in ’08, to deal with post-traumatic stress disorder for veterans in more efficient and humane ways that were available years ago. And related his concern in terms of “The story in the family is . . .”
I would hope you can see the honor and humility in Obama here, as he does not want to see “veterans sleeping in the street.” But I doubt it, as you fall over yourself poring over the internet to prove or disprove the mundane details behind his family’s story.
See the big picture here, wolf. Do yourself a favor here and stop with the trivial distractions.

Audacious on May 28, 2008 at 6:14 pm

NoPar: still waiting for the list of “black” (as I said, using your own Jim Crow “one drop” racist definitions) candidates for the highest elected office in your oh-so-enlightened, “7000 km away”, cricket-playing remnant of a once-great nation.
Audacious: we see the big picture. As I said, it doesn’t matter how many lies BHO tells or how brazenly he insults your intelligence, you’ll still support him. Hey, that’s your right — just don’t expect to be taken seriously.

DocLiberty on May 28, 2008 at 7:15 pm

BTW, just for giggles, here are the first six statements from the “test” NoPar references so reverently.
“If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.”
“i’d always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.”
“no one chooses his or her country of birth, so it’s foolish to be proud of it.”
“our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.”
“the enemy of my enemy is my friend.”
“military action that defies international law is sometimes justified. ”
“there is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.”
In other words, the “test” is worth about as much as the rest of NoPar’s posts.

DocLiberty on May 28, 2008 at 7:21 pm

You gotta laugh at no PasaraniÖhe truly believes his own ìgarbleî. Garble being a combination of babble and garbage.
Political Compass does not decide what conservative are, only conservatives can do that.
As a Catholic, which of course has the most conservative moral viewpoint possible, hereís how I judge Obama.
Barack Obama is as amoral as they come.
Obama is AMORAL because you canít be conservative and support:
ï Abortion
ï Partial Birth Abortion
ï Embryonic Stem Cell Research
ï A Womanís Right to Choose
ï A ìNOî VoteÖPreventing Parents Being Informed When Their Children Procure Illegial Out-Of-State Abortions
ï Promote Artificial Contraception
ï Have a Pro-choice Outlook and Allocate Funds For That That Outlook
ï Endorse Gay Civil Unions
ï Believe Gay or Lesbian Is Not A Choice
ï Believe Its Alright To Burn Your National Flag In Protest
ï Anti-Semitism
ï Islamist Political Structures
ï Associations With Islamist Ideology or Religiousity
ï Believe Recreational Drug Use Is Okay
ï Aid and Abett Drug Dealers By Repealing Harsh Penalties For Convictions (just ask the parents of any child ìlostî to drugs, on this oneÖ IF they are ìokî with Senator Obamaís liberalism on this issue, and others related to it)
ï Support ACLU Ideaology
ï Support Illegial Aliens Who Compete Against Americans For Jobs
ï Worship Of The Divine, Separate From An Objective and Realed (Apostolic) Morality
ï Etc. (I could draw up a complete indictment but Barack stands condemned from just this little blurb and glimpse at how he assesses the world he finds himself in)
IDIOT ALERT!!! OBAMA never was, and never will be, a conservative.
And Pas, brother, your just an argumentative assñ

The Canadien on May 28, 2008 at 7:25 pm

His weird site was mentioned by him before, several months ago. It is a lunatic left site. Just about everyone is conservative who doesn’t believe in socialist revolution or Stalinism or totalitarianism. People like this are not dangerous in normal times, but in tense times, they can get large followings, like Hitler & Stalin. Granted these two don’t seem to be able to attract many followers, but others like them may. Lots of conspiracy theorists around, and some people like Pat Buchanan really seem to have crossed the line recently into being complete nuts.

c f on May 28, 2008 at 7:51 pm

The Canadien: “OBAMA never was, and never will be, a conservative.”
Thanks for clearing that up.

Audacious on May 28, 2008 at 7:53 pm

Here’s an old LDS idea: show us the geneology.
Whenever we have guests over and the conversation goes into our ancestry (this happens a lot in our community), we just get out the file folders and family tree database.
Obambi can easily give a photo or service record of his relation to his press supporters. That information is public domain, anyway. No harm can come from proving his heritage…
Oh – Wait! YES IT CAN HARM HIM!

bhparkman on May 28, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Pasaran, my comments are nothing next to the left wingers that call for murder of the president. Last I checked no right wingers called for the death of Carter after he sold out the Israelis in his book and by speaking to Hamas. I dislike anti patrits like this Stalinist B.O. And this isn’t my nightmare. My nightmares consist of my family members being harmed some way. Not of the political landscape being screwed up for ONE TERM LIKE CARTER DID. I WOULD VOTE FOR ALAN KEYES OR J.C. WATTS AND LAST I CHECKED THEY are BLACK YOU HATEFUL TWERP. I get a kick out of the guilty white libs paying the race card. I ALSO LIKE LARRY ELDER BUT I HAVEN’T READ HIS LATEST BOOK BUT I WILL. I AM NOT IMPOTENT BEHIND MY COMPUTER, I GOT YOU PISSED OFF AND THATS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

samurai on May 29, 2008 at 12:42 am

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