December 29, 2011, - 3:37 pm

GREAT Ron Paul Cartoon!

By Debbie Schlussel

My favorite new political cartoonist is the multi-talented Fred Taub, the author of the “Pepy’s Coffee Shop” cartoons.  Below is one of his best, and it’s spot on.  Fred is also the expert behind Boycott Watch and the author of “Boycotting Peace: Why Divestment Is Turning Truth On Its Head,” the groundbreaking book on the pan-Muslim boycott against Israel and the anti-Semitic Boycott/Divestment/ Sanctions movement.  Fred is also a computer genius who did work for NASA. Aside from all of that, he also has a witty sense of humor. And this is just one example, with great commentary on Ron Paul.

Check out new cartoons regularly posted at “Pepy’s Coffee Shop.”


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129 Responses

DS, I love Fred Taub’s satire and humor, at the beginning of this year Debbie, Mr. Taub did a quasi satire of you in a dress-outfit with the “Star of David” on when someone emailed you and claimed that he’s a “white-nationalist” and that person who emailed you made tons of anti-semitic jew-hating rhetoric towards you, etc.

And I like this one that Mr. Taub did about Ron Paul and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and FT is correct about those few quotes Ron Paul claimed over the years.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on December 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm

Restore America! America First! Ron Paul 2012

Jerome on December 29, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    All you Paulbot vermin and scum—Pulling back INVITES attack, it does not discourage it; Washington’s America was vastly different from our international powerhouse America—we need allies to continue to predominate, and being a worthless ally will not help us in the long run, and finally—I don’t support child rape, marriage, honor killings and threatened/actual murder of dissenters—why do you?

    For the record, I was a YAF VEEP at TCU in the early 1980s. I’ve been a Conservative a long time. I also lived in Paul’s district when I went to medical school in 1984-1988—it’s a shithole, and so is Paul—and his rancid supporters. Oh, and by the way, I’m a Board Certified Psychiatrist who works with Native Americans predominantly—legalization of drugs is a crap idea, and Paul is talking WAY out of his specialty—he should stick to birthing babies.

    Clear skies and temps in the 30s predicted for next Tuesday. The L-rd of Hosts conspires against Paul.

    Occam's Tool on December 30, 2011 at 1:04 pm

      I am sorry—that should be “child rape/marriage. I support marriage—just not to 9 year old girls, like Paul supporters do.

      Occam's Tool on December 30, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Yes, I have heard all the stuff that Ron Paul believes. Some of it has been debunked and some has not. I still like his politics and economics. He is my choice for 2012. I am Jewish, so sue me. I read and listen to everything about this guy, not just heresay.

    IlikePaul on December 31, 2011 at 10:26 am

      Well, if you are Jewish, you should read about StormFront and Paul. It would also help if you lived in Paul’s district for 4 years, like I did, and realized what a craphead he was up close.

      Occam's Tool on January 1, 2012 at 10:56 pm

Jerome,why would you want someone like Ron Paul in the White House? The man lives in a fantasy world. He need leaders who live in the real world,not a fantasy one. Unfortunately,both Ron Paul and Barack Obama don’t live in the real world. They live in the Land of Make-Believe,not ours.

Ghostwriter on December 29, 2011 at 5:31 pm

It took me about a minute to understand this cartoon. The problem is, there should be a question mark after “Ahmadinejad” instead of a period.

Irving on December 29, 2011 at 5:46 pm

What I don’t get about these neocons is they really won’t do anything about Iran, the only way to stop Iran from getting the bomb is to destroy them completely.

Even crappy North Korea got the bomb, there is no way to stop them from getting it unless you kill them all and these neocons don’t have the stomach for it, so they should learn to make peace instead.

Rick on December 29, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Wrong, Rick—Occam’s Tool has supported the use of nukes on Teheran. Check my American Spectator bloggings. It will take a beatdown like that administered to Imperial Japan to win, and peace is impossible.

    For next Hanukkah, I’d like a shard of trinitite from Teheran, if you could help. I’ll put it in a lead lined container.

    Occam's Tool on December 30, 2011 at 1:08 pm

The Ron Paulbots (soon Zog-bound…I hope…) are at their most nuttiest right now. They are whipped up in a nutter frenzy.

I will NEVER support an old crank that hates Israel, that did not think OBL was a liar because it was never proven he was, someone who is a 9/11 truther and someone who will not denounce the Nazis he gets money from.

He’s a nut-nut and will NEVER be President, thank the Lord.

May the Craft going to Zog scoop ‘em all up ASAP. Now, for those of us who have to endure these nut-bars every 4 years, just enjoy when they call in to talk shows and see who can be the nuttiest of the hour. I used to get annoyed by them but now I just laugh and laugh at them and see if they can top themselves and each other.

THe hornet’s nest is below every Paulbots arse right now and I like kicking it!

Skunky on December 29, 2011 at 6:07 pm

Ron Paul. Cuccoo, cuccoo, nut case

Truth on December 29, 2011 at 8:06 pm

until Israel becomes the 51st state we have no responsibility to be the nanny of Israel and to state that is not an anti-symetic statement but I am sure it will be charicterized that way. If you would pay heed to George Washington’s farewell address and stay out of affairs that do not involve us then we would all be better off. now I know that some one will say that if we had done this hitler would have won ww2 but if you go back just a little further and we stayed out of ww1 likely there wouldn’t have been a chance for the nazi party to rise to power. I would also like to add that a pullback of our military would discourage attacks against us because we wouldn’t be spread so thin and a overwhelming and crushing response would be possible. think back to Teddy Roosevelt ( although I disagree with most of his policy) he had a brilliant saying “speak softly and carry a big stick” well we have the big stick part down we haven’t been able to master the speak softly part yet

dean on December 29, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Dean, Israel is NOT the 51st state and some who have no interest in Israel *MAY* not be anti-semitic (but I am always quick to think so) but plenty of other things point in the direction to anti-semitism when one engages with a Ron Paul fan/supporter.

    It’s hard to get past that he will NOT denounce the Nazis who have found a home in supporting him. He takes their money and doesn’t denounce them. Because he is of one mind with them and his former aide has come out and confirmed that. Reminds me of Mooooslims who are supposed to be “moderate” but will not denounce Hezbollah and Hamas.

    Ron Paul does not seem to have a problem with Iran. You know, the country that wants to annihilate Israel. He thinks that them having nuclear weapons is a grand thing.

    Ron Paul’s newsletters were openly racist and anti-semitic. His name is on them so he can’t say that he was ignorant to it (like Barack Hussein Obama says he was in his 20 membership of his church in Chicago led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and was into Black Liberation Theology). The buck stops with him. He can’t run and hide from that embarrassment.

    His most ardent fans are strongly anti-Israel. One said to me (not in a declarative statement but in ad hominem) “You are a Jew”. I happen to NOT be Jewish but I was just as offended. And it shows one can be a strong Israel supporter and NOT be Jewish. Doubt if one can be a strong Ron Paul supporter and NOT be anti-semitic. The person thought I was Jewish and furthermore, it was a dirty word to him. That is pretty disgusting. But that is how the Ron Paul fans roll.

    And that is how one connects the dots to why Ron Paul is a anti-semite nutter.

    Skunky on December 29, 2011 at 9:10 pm

Hmmmm.
Oh, the irony!
It’s amazing how many “conservatives” *and* “leftists” claim that “Ron Paul is unelectable”, and then proceed to try and discredit him.

Whatever else may be said about Paul, there is simply nothing in his track record which makes him even remotely as anti-Israel as US foreign policy generally – One can view a chronology at http://www.hirhome.com/israel/hirally.htm

If the worst skeletons in the closet on Paul are a 20 year old newsletter and claims by a former aide which should be treated with scepticism then frankly, intelligent political observers (I know, that phrase is almost oxymoronic!) should be smelling a rat. My only surprise is that more substantial skeletons apparently haven’t been found – Paul is a politician after all.

If it turns out Newt Gingrich’s people are behind this latest smoke puff, I wouldn’t bat an eyelid. Gingrich has very successfully appeased the pro-Israel market with his recent statements regarding the falsity of “Palestinianism”. Don’t be fooled! For a start, will Gingrich’s words translate into policy should he become president? Furthermore, now that the US/EU/NATO has successfully manouvered the Muslim Brotherhood into power across North Africa and handed Iraq over to Iran, the whole Palestinian State spectacle – designed in part to demoralise Israelis and distract from the abovementioned manouvering – is no longer so important.

A very large part of politics is about producing spectacles in order to create a decoy to distract target audiences away from real policy objectives.
As this latest spectacle about Ron Paul is largely fluff (regardless of whether One likes or dislikes him), and is being perpetuated primarily by pundits who claim to be pro-Israel, I think it is safe to dismiss it as a decoy, and then move on.

Nigel on December 29, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Nigel,

    Agreed. It’s good to know there are others who follow Gil-White’s and Jared Israel’s thorough analyses.

    Meir on December 30, 2011 at 6:14 am

    Paul votes with Kucinich, and opposed Israel defending itself against Hamas. Look not at what he says, look at what he does—follow the THOMAS votes, Nigel. He’s QUITE anti-Israel. The last time he did anything that could be construed as pro-Israel was during the 1980s.

    Ali Khan—yeah, no compulsion in faith—but the infidel has to pay jirzyah if he does not convert. Thanks for lying, Ali.

    Pitandpen—waiting until a bad guy hits us hard is not a good recipe for military defense. Thank goodness you aren’t a public health doc. Controlling epidemics and madmen have much the same MO in approach.

    As usual, Paulbots are scum.

    Occam's Tool on December 30, 2011 at 6:59 pm

Ron Paul said the white house caused 9/11? When did he say that. I remember him repeating what the CIA said, it was blowback for our foreign policy. Have any of you really wondered why Iran hates us? You really need to check history. Iran once had an elected democracy. Our CIA along with the British gov and (British Petroleom) yes that BP, Overthrew their government and installed our own dictator (the Shaw). Go to youtube and type in the history in Iran and get the whole story.
Ron Paul never said he wouldn’t go to war, he said he has no authority to to wage war. Read the Constitution. Only congress can declare war. So none of you believe in the Constitution or are you like the rest of the neo-cons and only believe in it when it suits you.
I hardly can’t stand listening to the neo-cons on talk radio or Fox. 1st he wasn’t electable and all the sheep repeated it. Now they decided he is dangerous and all the sheep jump on board and repeat it.

Jim Hoff on December 29, 2011 at 10:37 pm

Thank you all for the kind words.

Fred

Fred Taub on December 29, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Superb work. Happy New Year, sir.

    Occam's Tool on January 1, 2012 at 10:58 pm

All drugs(with the exception of antibiotics) should be fully legal and accessible by adults with no mandatory prescriptions or other gov’t restrictions whatsoever. Antibiotics that are misused would become ineffective for everyone, not just the person misusing them. They’re the only exception to my drug policy.

The gov’t has NO right to protect people from themselves.

Ron Paul cops out on the drug issue by saying it should be handled by the states.

Paul is a LYING anti-Semite and RACIST who most definately knew what was in those newsletters. I’m sure the news media has already found evidence of this.

Ron Paul has truly become a cult of personality when you see the blind fanatasim of his followers.

Paul voted AGAINST, not for the MLK birthday holiday. He later voted in favor of MOVING the holiday to Sunday.

He’s a dangerous buffoon who will NOT be president.

Scott on December 29, 2011 at 11:56 pm

To Jim and anyone else who thinks Ron Paul does not blame the 9/11 attacks on the US government, watch the following Youtube video where Ron Paul explains why he had not taken up that issue publicly, thereby proving what he really thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrQVaiFYmcg

Yes, in his own words, Ron Paul proves he is a 9/11 conspiracy theory nut job.

Fred

Fred Taub on December 30, 2011 at 12:09 am

Dear Debbie,

Your continuing demonization of Ron Paul is appalling. There are two points on your blog against Ron Paul that I have not already heard propagated by the mainstream media (that includes both FOX and all of the liberal news channels). First, that Ron Paul rejected a resolution that would’ve stopped aid to Hamas. This is meant to show both that Paul is inconsistent with his views of ending aid, and also that he is vehemently anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. Well when I read that, I was indeed confused because Ron Paul is known to have the most consistent and honest record in all of Congress. So when I read the actual resolution, I was not surprised to see that it didn’t only call for an end of aid to Hamas, but also called for the US to officially recognize this and that about Israel, and officially recognize this and that about Hamas. Remember, Ron Paul does not want to get involved in other conflicts. He wants them to sort it out themselves — so this resolution, which did seek to get involved, was perfectly consistent with Ron Paul.

The second point you made was his visit to the Arab American Institute, as if everyone knows that the AAI is pro-Hamas and pro-Hezbollah, and as supporting those terrorist groups are its main goals. So I looked at the videos of Ron Paul at the AAI — and there was absolutely nothing about Israel mentioned, and everything he said at the AAI was consistent with what he has always said: we need to get out of these unnecessary wars.

Your automatic trust of Eric Dondero amazes me, especially considering that he is supposedly defending Ron Paul. It’s astounding that Dondero was incapable of coming up with such brilliant “defenses” while he worked for Ron Paul’s campaign (“Ron Paul is not completely racist and he’s only half anti-Semitic!”).

It may surprise you that I’m a religious Jew who vehemently supports Israel. In fact, I don’t think the Palestinians should have a state. Both the PA and Hamas are dangerous terrorist organizations. And I think you agree with me on AIPAC, that it’s not “pro-Israel” in any sense of the word, although the US Establishment gives them that title. So I would like to finish off this critique by asking one question: do you really believe a two-state solution is not inevitable with the US being constantly involved with Israeli policy?

Meir on December 30, 2011 at 5:52 am

I’ve been pretty outspoken against Ronald the Paul man. He should denounce the way out extremists but I hope he doesn’t go on national television like a whipped little puppy dog that has been beaten down and start french-kissing the butts of those who support Jeramiah Wright. Please oh please let me explain how I’ve kissed the under tow crack.

That would be disgusting.

wjm on December 30, 2011 at 7:50 am

The “Palestinians” are mostly of Jordanian origin. The Arab nations could easily make a lavish homeland for them. Grant their own kin plenty of land but they won’t because they want to keep fanning the flames against Israel whom they see as an infidel nation (based on race) nestled into their “sacred” Muslim territory.

No two-state solution imho. Only one which allows the Palis to live there IF they will do so peacefully.

wjm on December 30, 2011 at 8:01 am

A last word on Ron Paul, even if he was a “down with the struggle” it’s-all-whitey’s-fault diversity nutter, he still wouldn’t make a good Prez imo.

Isolationism won’t work in the world as it is today. Even monitarily, which Paul has some good ideas on, the world’s financial systems are interconnected. Then the “war on terror” requires a multi national effort. The global intelligence communities are interconnected and so on.

We dont want to be intervetionists in all cases and should be much more carefull about unnecessary international entanglements but Paul’s vision of Libertarian isolationism seems both untenable and dangerous in my estimation.

wjm on December 30, 2011 at 8:45 am

good one and Ron Paul and his Campaign of Liberty deserve to be marginalized and demonized, a nasty and uninformed group of thugs.

bobguzzardi on December 30, 2011 at 9:18 am

fyi There are numerous postings at Red State substantiating Ron Paul’s positions and, simply, Ron Paul is unacceptable to conservative base.

bobguzzardi on December 30, 2011 at 9:22 am

Obama is sitting back and laughing. Look at the two Republican contestants. Ron Paul is a certifiable nut job whose foreign policy is incomprehensible (sure let the Iranians have a nuclear bomb) while Newt Gingrich is someone who should have been thrown into the recyclable bin years ago. G-d help us.

Jerry on December 30, 2011 at 9:58 am

After the killing of Osama bin Laden, Schlussel wrote on her blog “1 down, 1.8 billion more to go”.Iran got a nuke to save itself from such judeo-xtians.I am also one of those 1.8 billion & i dont want to die .

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Yeah Ali Khan YOU don’t want to die but you want the whackiest in Islam to kill us all. You’re looking forward to the Caliphate.

    Go boo-hoo somewhere else. And covert to a REAL religion and not some dodgy Death-Cult. Go play with the freaks at “Islamophobia Watch”. They are right up your sicko alley!

    Oh, and Ron Paul didn’t want OBL killed by the USA and he did not see OBL as a liar because it was never proven that he had lied. Those are that nutbags own words.

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 10:48 am

      Exactly Skunky, this whackjob Ron Paul had plenty of sympathy for Osama Bin Laden when the US Navy Seals killed him back on May 1. Once again Ali Khan, I am calling your ass out, what do you think of the death of OBL? Are you going to condemn your co-religionist muslims who last week pyshically attacked an ex-muslim who converted to christianity and poured “acid” onto the poor man’s face because he left islam (rightly so)? And are you Ali Khan going to condemn all atrocities committed by your muslim co-religionist, or are you going to sit there and try so damn hard to convince us with you’re taqqiya, and demagoguery, etc.?

      I called you out the other day, and you STILL haven’t responded to what I exactly said in another thread on this blogsite! Prove’s to me Ali Khan that deep down inside you do indeed support islamic terrorism but you don’t dare express it to us, you’re more dangerous than the jihadist themselves assclown!

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on December 30, 2011 at 10:56 am

Despite Debbie’s convincing case against Ron Paul, and I’m sure (as many of those who read her posts to find facts one will never find in the corrupt MSM are) that she has little, if any, control over what paid ads are posted on this site, Paul’s campaign has a “click here” banner strewn in the course of this article as I type this (on Dec. 30, 2011 at 10:46 am).

And Ali Khan – typical hatemonger who would not lose a wink of sleep if 5 million Jews in Israel were to be annihilated by an Iranian nuclear bomb . . .

ConcernedPatriot on December 30, 2011 at 10:46 am

And just as a side this cartoons are not really that good. Over heard dialogue and clip art do not great art make.

petebone on December 30, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Mr. Bone, allow me to reply. First, please capitalize your name. Second, your photo is off center. Thanks.

    skzion on December 31, 2011 at 10:43 pm

Ali Khan, once again you’ve proven yourself to be a utterly stupid schmuck. When DS made a little statement during OBL’s death, in the parenthesis she clearly claimed that “I have NEVER called for the deaths of muslims, until many muslims stop supporting islamic terrorism, etc.”, when she made that sentiment, she was ONLY making a reference to the islamic terrorist (again, Debbie Schlussel has NEVER called for eradication of muslims to all you anti-DS trolls).

And also Ali Khan, I’ve been on this blog for two years and counting, and I’ve read all of DS’s archives from many years back, and she’s NEVER called for bombing of the muslim crescent. Typical of muslims like yourself man, you use taqqiya and LIE about people you disagree with and don’t like!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on December 30, 2011 at 10:50 am

I m not doing any sort of taqqiyya when i talk of having a dialogue. I know we are aliens to you & you are aleins to us but better to talk rather than to kill each other.Talk is what muslims & non muslims will do after they have exhausted all other options, like bombing cities of iraq or bombing streets of israel.
Talks failed because both sides were biased .Jesus was a Jew & that makes you side with jews & arabs always looked at jews as unwanted people & burden thrown on them by europe.
Well i never been to israel & i have met a few jews(by accident in mcleod gang,himalayas) but i have met many arabs.I m not a arab nor belong to middle east but i can speak /read/write arabic & that makes discussions with arabs in gulf states very open & result oriented.
i was not much aware of jews/israel/zionism before meeting arabs & since those gulf economies are business driven & people are usually very busy ,we talked of politics very rarely but even those small discussions indicated what sort of anger exist in all levels of society against the jews. Government in arab states are totally lame & virtually their pygmy kings are slave to america & need america to save their thrones.People want someone who can give a fitting reply to autocratic dictatorial israel & thats where OBL ,hezbollahs & Co. come into picture.Its confirmed nothing hearsay that Israel destroys bedouin villages to make settlements for its people —WHAT kind of religious people do this?? & jews are doing all this in name of religion!!! Making homes for polish jews who look as weird in mid east as thames wil look flowing in jerusalem ,destroying locals & relaocating polish,russian etc.
OBL was a nut in some ways but at least he was doing SOMETHING like participating in afghan war against soviets( though afghans are competent to face any opposition by themselves)& the shia hezbollah was at least resisting israeli occupation.
If you are angry at muslims in US ,you should BAN muslim immigration but why vent your frustrations at muslim community worldwide. I am not american & i dont need to show my allegiance to any judeo-xtian. If you dont like muslims that doesnt mean that muslim land is no longer belongs to muslims in a legal manner.20000 kms is just too much,not even 1 inch belongs to those polish jews. Even the right of easement survives for a few decades & not 10 centuries & how can they prove that their ancestors were from jerusalem.This is a question of principle,but should be solved in a peaceful manner – no suicide bombings ,no airstrikes.
If you found my answer complex ,so is the problem.

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 11:48 am

Ron Paul hates Israel? He wants Iran to have nukes? He had sympathy for OBL?

What in the world are you people talking about?

Because he doesn’t put Israel’s interests ahead of the U.S. Constitution; he hates Israel?

Because he doesn’t propose attacking other countries we don’t like (such as Iran); he wants Iran to have nukes? What about China? What about NK? I could list dozens more countries that are dangerous and we don’t like. Paul asserts that we shouldn’t be bullying the world, and our military is for defense… (he has never said he would not respond militarily for an attack on the U.S. proper)… he is a “kook”?

Because he questions our government assassinating people (if that is what happened with OBL, never did see a body…), or he asserts that American bullying/interference in the Middle East (Glenn Greenwald wrote a devastatingly accurate piece about the Middle East here: http://www.salon.com/2011/10/31/middle_east_propaganda_101/) MAY have (legitimately) contributed to Arab hate for Team America (thanks Trey n Matt)… he is “sympathetic” to evils?

While you might not exactly agree with Paul, the type of vitriol posted here is not what I have come to expect from DebbieSchlussel.com, or some of our regular posters. It’s the type of fanatic, irrational talk I expect from liberal buffoons.

We can’t even have a civil conversation about the ideas Paul stands for? Namely, liberty and adherence to the GD U.S. Constitution. Which can certainly be construed hyperbolicly as “he wants to legalize heroin!’ *herpderp. That’s disingenuous in the extreme. The War on Drugs, similar to alcohol prohibition, is an abject failure that is nothing more than government INTERFERING IN INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS.

As CONSERVATIVES, that should be the principle of discussion. Not whether Paul panders to Israel (hint: we are Americans and he’s representing Americans), or if he would upset the American Imperialist Empire apple cart.

pitandpen on December 30, 2011 at 11:57 am

    PitandPen, if you think any of us including Ms. Schlussel is lying and making up stories about Ron Paul, I’d advice for you to scroll down way further to the bottom of this website and you’ll find the link about “Eric Dondero”, giving out all of the investigative facts to Debbie and other sources about what Ron Paul stands for. And also PitandPen, he (Ron Paul) gave a speech at the Arab-American Institute (who supports islamic terrorism, etc.), these are all PROVEN FACTS, not lies, slander, etc. And if any of these stories about Ron Paul happended to be slanderous, don’t you think from the very start that Rep. Paul would’ve hired himself an attorney and sued both Debbie Schlussel and Eric Dondero for libel/defamation? It turned out that Eric Dondero was telling the WHOLE truth to Debbie Schlussel herself about who Ron Paul really is.

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on December 30, 2011 at 1:49 pm

      Sean R.

      So you have automatic trust for Eric Dondero, even though he was supposedly trying to defend Ron Paul with defenses such as “He’s not entirely racist, and he’s only half anti-Semitic”? Amazing how he couldn’t come up with such brilliant defenses of Ron Paul while he still worked for his campaign. Even if he wasn’t pretending to defend Ron Paul, the claim should still be taken with a large dose of skepticism (why did Ron Paul limit his racist attitudes to a newsletter, but never once spoke of them publicly? Also, the head of the NAACP who has known Ron Paul for twenty years immediately dismissed the racist charges). And the Arab American Institute? Debbie treats it as thought it is especially known for it’s pro-terrorist stance; as if he spoke at the equivalent of a KKK convention. Well, in his speech at the Arab American Institute, Israel was not mentioned — nor was Hezbollah or Hamas. What was mentioned, was that he wanted to get out of these dangerous wars, as he’s always maintained — and rightfully so.

      Let’s face it — the only problem the “conservatives” have with Ron Paul is his foreign policy, even though the current foreign policy (which Obama has also followed, contrary to his election platform) has made the Middle East more radical and has handed over Iraq to Iran.

      Meir on December 31, 2011 at 11:24 am

    I’m sorry P&P, but Ron Paul is NOT a Conservative. Not at all. Just because he says some things (fiscally) that could easily fit into Conservative ideals does NOT make him one and I reckon he does NOT label himself as a Libertarian these past few years it is because he knows that Libertarian=Losertarian in a genreal election. He is smart enough to know he gets farther with the R after his name. He knows the math works if you have a D or R after one’s name ONLY.

    And really, how can you be so upset with us here when we are just reacting to TRUTH? Ron Paul is exactly how we portrayed him here and I actually heard his interview with Jeff Katz when Katz asked him why he was so off the beaten track when it comes to foreign policy and Iran. Paul himself, in his own words, said it was because he had never known OBL to be a proven liar. It was so zany, it was used as a commercial on the station to promote Katz’s show (so I hear the zaniness quite often)!

    And I think it has been established by collective evidence that Ron Paul is an anti-semite. It’s not just because he is anti-Israel (however, that is always good enough for me). Other variables make the case more secure.

    If you like Ron Paul I can see how you can be upset but I cannot and will not support someone who has such kooky foreign policy ideas and who dislikes Israel so much and thinks OBL should have been given the benefit of the doubt after 9/11. And who has open Nazi supporters but takes their $$ and will not denounce them.

    I guess I am shocked you are a RP supporter. Your posts always seemed right-on and level-headed to me.

    Ron Paul supporters are at their most rabid right now and it does NOT endear anyone to his cause because they come off as crazed. RP is a problem on his own and the rabid RP supporters compound it.

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 2:17 pm

I really can’t stress enough how dumbfounded I am to see some of the comments and attacks on Paul here. Irrational leaps of logic (he doesn’t pander to Israel, so he “hates” Israel for example) that I am simply not used to reading here. /shakes head.

pitandpen on December 30, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Read Dondero. Read the Newsletters that he published and made MILLIONS off of (I don’t care that he says he didn’t write it—he published it and made money off it—it’s HIS).

    He hates Israel, supports the Palis, and would let Iran get a nuke, and supports Bradley manning. Sorry, rancid sandwich that writes—you’re wrong. I look forward to the Merkava running that campaign over in NH.

    Occam's Tool on December 30, 2011 at 1:11 pm

@ pitandpen they are afraid of iranian bomb but want israel to bomb iran .These t w a t s want iran to be a sitting duck & do nothing in self defence.
For 1400 years muslims never planned or waged a war against judeo-xtian ,so why would they wage it now ?
But the message is not getting through their thick heads

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Ali Khan, where the hell have you been buster, Ahmadinejad has claimed in the past that when he get’s and build nuclear weapons he will eradicate Israel from civilization, the man is a crackpot and a nutjob, why the hell are you defending Ahmadinejad? Secondly Iran is NOT our friend, last I checked and heard, they happend to be apart of the “axis of evil”! Third, what I said is NOT an attack on Iranian people, majority of Iranian people happened to good/great people and very beautiful looking (especially their women), and just about most of them are seculars and don’t give a rat’s ass about religion!

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on December 30, 2011 at 1:41 pm

i still cant understand how disagreeing to ANY israeli action is NAZISM/anti semitism?. jewish treatment under nazis & a fair criticism of israel are two different things.

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 12:10 pm

Ron Paul is the last hope for this country. If he’s not elected it’s all downhill, sad to say but it’s true. Dems have no backbones and are sell outs.
Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative but won’t hesitate to bankrupt this country with unnecessary war because they’re afraid of their own shadow and is threatened by any country who looks at us the wrong way.
Even though we’ve been meddling in the foreign affairs of countries for decades, overthrowing governments installing dictators etc and we think no one is going to be upset, talk about living in a fantasy world.
Wake up people, America 1st Ron Paul 2012!

Jerome on December 30, 2011 at 12:17 pm

Ron Paul does not express only reasoned constitutionalism. His understanding of the world outside the U.S. is dangerously naive and willfully ignorant.
His dark heart, though not as apparent as,say, Pat Buchanan, is nonetheless there to be exposed in a thorough tracing of his history.
Ron Paul’s popularity with so many people of good will argues for the importance of carefully doing one’s homework. He should no more be a serious candidate for President than should Ru Paul.

lee on December 30, 2011 at 1:23 pm

9/11 is american version of jewish holocaust.Its hard to look beyond it for most americans .A fear which is constantly fanned by pro israel lobby in america. If you blame muslims for 9/11 what can you do ? can you kill all muslims ?. America may be a super power but you cant defeat a global religion,not even in your dreams.You attacked 2 countries-afghanistan was a doubtful case but there was no need to attack iraq. More people are dead in iraq due to disturbance with deliate sectarian fabric than under decades of rule under saddam.Saddam’s regime was already going down but no matter how much you deny it ,oil lured you to wage a unneccessary war.

No doubt 9/11 was a tragedy & it pleased no one to see people jumping to death from that burning building.
Hezbollah & Zionist are two sides of the same coin. Both target civilians – methods are different -Hezbollahs is non governmental beheading organization while israelis adopt a more civilised approach to killing (a missile).
The difference is that muslims dont feel proud of actions of millitant organization while you are proud of your government’s terrorist activities worldwide.
One account from a afghan living in UAE shocked me & i took it as a exaggeration. That afghan man told me which war against terrorism in afghanistan are you talking about ,american soldiers throw candies from their humvees to attract kids near to theri vehicles & then shoot the kids (mostly aged between 3-9 years old) therefore he supports taliban ,at least they dont indulge in such coward behavior-taliban shoots spies & adulterers not kids. Later i checked it on internet as i thought it to be too ghastly to be true — but to my surprise it was true . Pictures were so gory that even a gorish site removed them,Children shot with a millitary grade rifle & run over by millitary vehicles.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42304341/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/t/behind-american-kill-team-afghanistan/
this link has no pictures though.
I ll supoort taliban or anyone over this so called “liberating army “.

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 1:32 pm

not all pics ,but some http://www.bestgore.com/execution/kill-team-photos-showcase-war-crimes-us-soldiers-afghanistan/

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 1:37 pm

Ali Khan, for the third time I am calling you out to condemn an attack in Uganda where you’re co-religionist (muslims) poured acid onto a man’s face because he converted to christanity and left islam, in baseball you’d would’ve been struck-out with a “third-call strike” Ali Khan. And here’s the link about the attack in Uganda if you think I’m pushing an agenda like what you’re doing bro:

http://www.compassdirect.org/english/country/uganda/article_1314828.html

While were at it Ali Khan, condemn ALL terrorist acts committed by you’re muslim ilk over the years, centuries, etc. While I was reading you’re comments, you didn’t condemn the muslim attack in Uganda, all islamic terrorist atrocities, etc., all you did was talk out of you’re ass and spread quasi muslim propaganda, this means that you secretly support islamic terrorism but don’t dare say it to us! Dude, this makes you more dangerous than the jihadist themselves.

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on December 30, 2011 at 1:58 pm

If you dont like muslims that doesnt mean that muslim land is no longer belongs to muslims in a legal manner. – Mohammedan troll Ali Khan

Ali

If you think Israel is Muslim land, then by the same token, the entire Muslim world is stolen land. Iran belonged to the Zoroastrians, Syria & Iraq to the Syrians & Assyrians, Egypt to the Copts, your native Pakistan was largely Buddhist, and some Hindu, while the East Indies were Hindu, and North Africa too was Black Animist.

So if Israel is stolen land b’cos the Jews bought it after the Ottoman empire came apart, then every place from Morocco to Mindanao is non-Muslim, and should be returned to its rightful owners. All of Pakistan, Bangladesh & large parts of Afghanistan should go back to India, Turkey should be handed over to Greece and Turks should go back to Kazakhstan (plenty of land there), and Medina too should be handed over to Israel, since it too was a Jewish city at one time.

Really care to open so many cans of worms?

Infidel on December 30, 2011 at 2:08 pm

@ Sean i dont know how you got that idea that i support terrorist & inhumane acts. No matter how much i feel offended by some propoganda of judeo-xtians but i would never support death of any jew/christian child/adult. I denounce all those who support idealogy of hate.
Killing civilians either by state/non state sponsored terrorism is to be condemned openly & vigorously.
Acid attack is to be condemned in the strongest terms & its perpetrators will be handled by due process of law.Quran like bible punishes apostacy with death but that same quran says “No compulsion in faith ,to me my religion to you ,yours”. May be 1 or 2 muslim nation may be doling out capital punishment for conversion , but most have supported the liberal interpretation of quran.
Quran is same but its interpretations are different. In short you cant change islam as it is a religion but rules of interpretation can vary,either liberal or fundamentalist/literal.

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 2:13 pm

@ infidel! if you are a hindu,then we share same nationality .Islam became the indigenous religion of people of iran,pakistan,bangladesh,iraq etc .The same people became muslim who inhabited that land.While jews came to israel from poland,russia etc & looked so weird in mid east like a penguin in middle of sahara .In short they dont belong there & have no right to stay there.
The examples of greece,ancient india & medina are OBSOLETE. There were no set borders in those times.No nations but empires & their borders were fluctuating every single day.
If you know about jews of medina then you must also be aware that jews left their kids in arab creches in jerusalem before this jewish state nonsense arose,that high was the level of trust!! Can you imagine this or vice versa now??. You must also be aware that muslims never killed jews in such huge number & in such cold blood as christian knights or modern day europeans. Muslims believe in Isa/jesus but muslims dont believe in his crucifixion nor in his dying for sins of humanity theory.Therefore muslims dont attribute the guilt of isa death on jews & jews were not considered evil by muslims at any point in time,though some looked down on them as usurers & held them responsible for monopolistic business practices.
According to torah ,jews and arabs are cousins & many arabs believe in it but The ones who came to reclaim israel were fake jews as per arabs & were not accepted as cousins.God knows whether west created israel as FIRST LINE OF DEFENCE from the so called threat from arab world or the rednecks just failed to understand the complications of that region.
Whatever be the cause of its creation ,its a headache for sure .Its like a cancer for that region in every way & a pill which cant be swallowed nor ejected out.
It may sound philosophical rubbish but israel is killing soul of judaism which was not even killed by thousand of pogroms on jews.

Ali Khan on December 30, 2011 at 2:47 pm

Here is that interview with Ron Paul I have been referencing. Listen to the whole thing or at the 6:00 minute mark where he says the STUPID thing about OBL. (After that, he goes on to disparage Christians. Does this guy have a problem with Jews and Christians but NOT with Mooooooslims? That alone gives credence to the crack-pottery!)

In his own words…

http://www.talk1200.com/player/?station=WXKS-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=interviews.xml&mid=21401696

Oh, and when Ron Paul was on Leno he said that Michele Bachmann hated Muslims. This is yet more proof that RP has great sympathy for the Mooooooslim world and yet sees Christians and Jews as a threat.

All these things added together scream where RP is coming from. And it’s not a sane place.

Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 2:51 pm

I hope the video posted by Skunky is the one containing R.P.’s proposing we (in effect) build a bridge to the #1 Jihadi nation, Iran by “Maybe we should try being their friend”.
Paul/Obama 2012, that’s the ticket!

lee on December 30, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    No Lee, mine is audio of Ron Paul (of the Planet Zog) on a local talk-show back in September.

    But I did hear that soundbite you refer to. Maybe someone can find it and post it.

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    No Lee, mine is audio of Ron Paul (of the Planet Zog) on a local talk-show back in September.

    But I did hear that soundbite you refer to. Maybe someone can find it and post it.

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 3:36 pm

I bet all of you who are cheering for war against Iran were just as enthusiastic about war against Iraq. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

When will the American people wake up? Why are we such tools for our government? War = Money, plain and simple stop listening to the same people who sold our country out in Iraq for cash and contracts. The biggest waste of TRILLIONS of dollars and got us 5000 dead American soldiers and can anyone tell me what we got out of that war? Iraq is now AN ALLY OF IRAN before at least with Saddam they were enemies.

Ron Paul is the last true statesman and patriot in our government, who actually follows and UPHOLDS THE CONSTITUTION and doesn’t destroy it and sell else out for money, like the dems and repubs.

Restore America! America 1st, Ron Paul 2012

Jerome on December 30, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Jerome, I notice you used IRAN to bolster your support of Ron Paul (and where did any of us say we wanted war with Iran??????) because if you were to tackle the other issues that make us NON Ron Paul supporters you’d have to question yourself and why you support a person with hateful ideas.

    Do you hate Israel as Ron Paul does? Or even worse, side with the Mooooslims and all their conflicts?

    How do you feel that skin-head neo-Nazis support Ron Paul and give him $$ and Ron Paul refuses to denounce him?

    How do you feel that your hero says he never thought of OBL as a liar because he was never proven to be one?

    How do you feel about Ron Paul claims (ala Barack Hussein Obama and his association with Rev Jeremiah Wright) that even though anti-semitic and racist stuff was written in HIS Newsletter with HIS name on it that he can distance himself? C’mon! And like the neo-Nazi money, he takes it and then tries to distance himself. THAT alone is a character flaw that repeats itself in the life of Ron Paul. I’ll take the $$$ but not take responsibility for where it is coming from and what something that has my name on it represents.

    And by the way, those of us who did NOT understand what we now know about geo-politics back in 2002 (and the Muslim conflict) HAVE changed our minds and do look back in regret with how the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were constructed. We now know that is is best to go in with all you got and absolutely annihilate in lieu of the PC wars we fight now. We now know that Iraq is Iran’s for the taking.

    And by the way, we are NOT interested in a war with Iran…ESPECIALLY with Barack Hussein Obama as the CIC! No way, no how. BUT we do not want to see a CrAzY Mooooslim nation get nuclear arms…which Ron Paul and his supporters seem not to have a problem with.

    You are willingly tricked by that fraud Ron Paul.

    Ron Paul is NOT the ONLY politician who supports the Constitution. And it’s about time OTHERS who do were named in lieu of that crazy, old crack-pot!

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 6:26 pm

All the rhetoric regarding Iran leads us to the same Iraq scenario, if you don’t see that coming you need to pay careful attention and re-examine what you’ve been hearing. Same propaganda, not falling for it, I’ve seen this movie before. We all believed Iraq had WMDs and had something to do with 9/11 everyone was convinced of that and now we know it all was COMPLETELY FALSE! ALL OF IT!

Yes the Iranians are hostile towards us and no one wants them with a nuke. But they’re ACTING LOGICALLY if we just pay attention and not fall for propaganda, we attacked overthrew their government years ago and installed a dictator, we topelled the government next door to them. What do you think they would do! We need to get real and take our head out of the sand. People don’t dislike us cause we have democracy.

Iran never said it wanted to destroy Israel, it was a misquoted statement. Google “washington post wiped off the map misquote”

The Iranian Mullahs who run Iran are divided on nukes. Some say they are forbidden in their religious law including THEIR SUPREME LEADER the man who actually runs the country not Ahmadenijad. You tube “imam khamenie nuclear weapons”

You’ll probably just say they’re lying but we were lied to about Iraq and it’s not a big leap that we’re being lied to about Iran. None of it makes sense to anyone who seriously and objectively looks at the situation. If the Iranians dropped a nuke on Israel they would kill about a 100,000 Palestinian Muslims who live in Israel not even including the west bank and gaza! It’s all propaganda, same movie different bad guy.

I want Israel protected, Israel has every right to exist but our policies are terrible for everyone and WE JUST CAN’T AFFORD IT. Our country is sinking fast because of all these wars and our over extended army. All empires fall when they over extend their army and their economy tanks. We have to fix our on country before we can save anyone else or we’re no good to anyone. When a plane is crashing you’re told to adjust your own oxygen mask first, then save the next guy, because if you don’t save yourself you’re all toast.

Jeremiah Wright, and other racist are all bad people but these are side issues that really don’t matter all that much. We need to get smarter and prioritize whats most important. Which is our monetary and fiscal strength and maintaining our constitution without the constitution we’re no longer America and it’s being shredded daily by dems and repubs, we have no civil liberties! Dems and Repubs in the last two administrations have literally destroyed our constitution and NO ONE is talking about this accept Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is our last hope to return to the great nation we once were. Everyone else will keep the status quo going, more spending, more shredding of the constitution.

Restore America! America 1st, Ron Paul 2012

Jerome on December 30, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Jerome, enjoy your trog back to Zog.

    Skunky on December 30, 2011 at 8:21 pm

Ron Paul has a 30 year record of upholding individual freedom, rights, liberty, based on the Constitution. He opposes the corrupt over-powered Federal government with things like the privacy invasion of the TSA, the evil Patriot Act, the 4th amendment killing NDAA bill, the internet censorship bill SOPA, the racist and corrupt War on Drugs, and the unjust wars in the middle east. Ron Paul is the only one fighting against those issues.

But the most important thing to you guys is his support (or lack thereof, even though he’s the only one who stood up when they attacked Iran way back when) for Israel? Wow.

Are these groups like “neo-Nazis” not allowed to vote? I’m sorry are they not Americans? Irregardless of what they believe, a vote is a vote. Show me a candidate who has actually turned DOWN a vote.

Every group is “racist” to somebody, you can’t pick and choose one, and then try to somehow connect them to the candidate. Are we going to now not allow votes from certain people? If “Mooslims” support someone, are they now “Anti-Semitic”? Heck, I bet people voted for Obama simply because he was black, isn’t that racist?
Not for nothing, why does Israel even have to come up as an election topic all the time? If you’re not Israeli or Jewish I really don’t see how this place affects you whatsoever.
You know what does? Your wallet.

It’s ok though, more than likely Ron won’t win, but you really think Romney flip-flopper is better, technically he’s just like Obama. In this case, Obama will win again. Paul would’ve been the only guy who really challenges him, but because the MSM and the 1% are scared of him, let’s grasp straws and tell people over and over how bad Ronnie is. His past is REALLY worse than Newt and Mitt, I mean REALLY worse, he’s “racist” OMG and against Israel DOUBLE-OMG!!! /sarcasm

In other news, Ron Paul fights back against “anti-Israel” claims: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45811340/ns/business/

Mugen on December 31, 2011 at 2:51 am

BTW,

It seems the lame-stream-media believes that Dr. Ron Paul is an anti-semite because he believes we should withdraw our troops and foreign aid from Israel.

“My friends, you don’t need to do nation building in Israel. We’re already built. You don’t need to export democracy to Israel. We’ve already got it. You don’t need to send American troops to defend Israel. We defend ourselves.”

~ Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, – May 2011 before the U.S.

Mugen on December 31, 2011 at 2:58 am

Ali Khan

150 million Hindus, Jains, Buddhists & Sikhs died @ the hands of Muslim invaders in India, so spare me the ‘we share the same nation’ nonsense. I have more in common w/ people on this site – yes, Christians & Jews, than I ever will w/ neanderthals such as yourself.

Other point – spare us the taquiyya. The verse in the quran that you cited – there is no compulsion in religion – has been many a time proven to be a fraud: non-Muslims are free to remain non-Muslims provided they recognize Islamic law as supreme, and agree to be subservient to Muslims, pay the Jizia, and enjoy a second class citizen role in an Islamic country. Much like Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, Malaysia, Indonesia and many more Muslim countries.

Also, the ‘Jews left their babies in Arab creches’ – you can spare us that propaganda as well, since everybody here knows that the Muslims very happily allied w/ Hitler during WWII, and today, Mein Kamph is a bestseller in Arab countries.

Israel, as a Jewish state, has far less restrictions on Gentiles than Saudi Arabia has on non-Muslims.

Infidel on December 31, 2011 at 3:09 am

Forgot to mention above – the 150 million who were slaughtered by Muslims were slaughtered over a period of 800 years – from 1000AD to 1761AD.

Infidel on December 31, 2011 at 3:10 am

@infidel- Using abusive language wont rid you or your religion of the deep rooted fallacies. Every minnow invader from central asia succeeded in defeating hindus bcoz hindu society was NEVER one unit. Author Khushwant Singh , a sikh hindu says that hindus were never tolerant ,hindus fought with everyone who came into india but were defeated by EVERYONE. This 150 million number is also made up by some intrinsically confused hindu think tank. Hindu caste system may be weak today bcoz of reforms but when muslims invaders came here it was in full bloom. Hundreds of thousand of people were UNTOUCHABLES.Even a shadow of a untouchable (touching is too far) was considered dirty and the brahmins had to take bath to purify themselves. Look at history ,every war is documented ,hindus fought with everyone & were defeated by everyone . If you are from a LOSER community then dont blame me .Just play the game of TOLERANT community to hide your SHAMEFUL history .
Hindu high caste to this day burns the homes of shudra lowest caste,even after over 60 years of reform after independence. Just one or two muslim rulers considered hindus as kuffar ,rest tried to assimilate in indian culture,britishers never tried to do that ,they were in a hurry to loot & leave.
If your race has been a loser for over a millenia ,try to do some self introspection rather than blaming others .

Ali Khan on December 31, 2011 at 8:06 am

@ infidel – You are neither like a neanderthal muslim nor like a modern xtian.Your folks burned over 100 churches on xmas eve just 2 years back & your hindu nationalist ideas make you burn every man who does not holds allegiance to elephant/rat/monkey god and other demonesses.
Had the orissa pogrom happened in a muslim country ,it would have been reported for over a month 24X7. Estimated thousands of xtians fled to jungles to hide & hundred of nuns were publicly raped & killed & many other xtians were beaten publicly to death.
In short ,you are a PAGAN,you neither belong to the muslim nor to the judeo-xtian fold.If you truly believe in multi culturalism then allow xtian missionaries to practise their religion freely.Entire north east is now xtian ,not bcoz xtianity was any paradise but hindu & hinduism is so mean ,selfish , divided, discriminatory etc.
Muslims are only subdued by hindus in areas where they are in minute minority otherwise as the saying goes- one muslim is equal to ten hindus holds good everywhere. Muslims have one thing in plenty–COURAGE.
No 150 million died,hindu high caste was killing low caste on every excuse before ,muslims & later brits introduced the lowly hindu to the concept of equality ,which you had no idea before. Thank the invaders,you are now eating mughlai food,wearing shervanis on ur primitive wedding customs & speaking english.

Ali Khan on December 31, 2011 at 8:24 am

a video to show how brotherly hindus are to christians ,its not that graphic since it is on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5U_VUxsaqg
have one more video sent by a xtian— it shows crowd poking wooden stick in a nuns genitalia. Well i have no sympathy with xtians either, but you & your kind should be exposed.
Anyways i was discussing mid east here not your pagan land.So stick to the topic

Ali Khan on December 31, 2011 at 8:39 am

a hindu police man is with the crowds & asking them to beat slowly to death.

Ali Khan on December 31, 2011 at 8:41 am

Good Lord! I don’t know who is the most CrAzY, “Ali Khan” or the Paulbots!

Skunky on December 31, 2011 at 9:17 am

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