May 30, 2012, - 12:59 pm

Poles Were Complicit in Holocaust: Outrage Over Obama “Gaffe” is Fraudulent, Ignorant

By Debbie Schlussel

Barack Obama has done enough legitimately bad things that we don’t need to manufacture phony outrage over things he does that really aren’t so bad. Such is the case with the feigned shock and fake moralizing over his comments, yesterday, about German Nazi death camps in Poland being a Polish death camp. Here’s a tip for Poland and ignoramuses in the lumpenconservatariat who now engage in revisionist history: Poles murdered millions of Jews, they maintained several death camps, and they wiped out almost all of both sides of my family, as well as those in hundreds of thousands of other Jewish families. This wasn’t just the Nazis. It was tens of thousands of eager Poles and more. Obama made no gaffe here. Poland’s willing executioners took their significant place among Hitler’s willing executioners.


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There is a reason why Poland was so easily occupied by the Germans. Yeah, I know–they were “just taking orders.” Just taking orders when they helped round up Jews and helped man gas chambers. As if Nazis from Germany did this alone! Polish police all too happily worked with the SS to round up Jews. Polish police all too easily took their place in helping run and operate the death camps. Facts are stubborn things. But, sadly, not as stubborn as morons and blind partisans.

I had to laugh when I read this:

Poland’s Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Wednesday Obama’s words had hurt all Poles and he expected more from Washington than just “regret”.

Are you kidding? Someone needs to remind Mr. Tusk that his people were the ones doing the hurting and the turning over to the Nazis and the mass murder of at least half of the six million Jews killed in the Holocaust, some of them from my family. You are “hurt” by calling Nazi death camps, “Polish”???? Um, where were they? Who helped operate them and round up and turn in the camps’ Jewish occupants, soon to be turned into ash and fumes?


There is a reason that President Obama, yesterday, awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously to Jan Karski, the former Polish underground officer who provided early eyewitness accounts of Nazi Germany’s genocide of European Jews. And that’s because Karski was unlike most of his fellow Poles, who hated Jews just as the Nazis did and proudly turned them over to the Nazis and/or participated in the mass murderous Judenrein. Even in the Polish underground, hatred of Jews was legion. My great-uncle was in the Polish underground, until they slit his throat while he was sleeping because, one day, the head of the Polish underground demanded a cleansing of its Jews, too.

My paternal grandmother had eleven brothers and sisters. Only one brother survived the Holocaust after the Poles murdered the rest along with her parents, after Poles seized their farm. (Grandma Marilyn was brought to the U.S. before the Holocaust began.) My maternal grandmother had only one surviving sister and brother, out of ten siblings. All the rest–and her parents–were murdered by the Poles. My maternal grandfather’s entire family was wiped out by the Poles. Grandpa Isaac’s father was mayor of the town and owned a hardware store. He hid in the haystacks of a Pole who owed him money and had bought tools on credit, but my grandfather escaped and was ultimately rounded up to the camps, after he heard the Pole tell neighbors he was going to trade my grandfather to the Nazis for a bottle of whisky.

My family and the millions of Jews wiped out in Poland never identified as Polish because the Poles never treated them that way. They were subject to centuries of pogroms and extreme anti-Semitism by the country in which they lived, before they were ultimately rounded up to the camps and mass-murdered with Polish cooperation. They were treated as subhuman all along the way, never as fellow “Polish.” So it’s beyond hilarious now to hear that the Poles are “hurt” by Obama’s description of a German Nazi death camp as “Polish.” As if there weren’t any Polish ones or as if the Poles had zero part in the Holocaust they all too eagerly participated in. Read the 93 pages of “Bystanders, Blackmailers, and Perpetrators: Polish Complicity During the Holocaust” for just a taste of what the Poles wrought on the Jews.

Yes, it is laughable that the Poles, Rush Limbaugh, self-hating Jew Matt Drudge, and a gazillion Republicans and incredibly obtuse and ignorant members of the lumpenconservatariat–most of them no different from the Obamabots in their lack of intelligence, knowledge, and common sense and decency–are incensed over this “gaffe” that really ain’t a gaffe at all. It’s intellectual dishonesty to insist that these death camps on Polish soil were not at all Polish and merely “German Nazi.” Here’s a list of the Polish ones–did they not exist? Did they exist in Poland only because the Germans did this and the Polish had no part? Only a liar or a moron would make these claims. The White House should have made no apology to Poland. These major death camps existed in Poland for a reason: Polish complicity in the Holocaust and willing cooperation with the Nazis.

* Auschwitz

* Belzec

* Chelmno

* Gross-Rosen

* Majdanek

* Plaszow

* Sobibor

* Stutthof

* Treblinka

Keep these names in your mind when you read this quote:

Poland’s government keenly watches the global media for descriptions of former Nazi German death camps as “Polish” because it says the term — even if used simply as a geographical indicator — can give the impression that Poland bore responsibility for Nazi Germany’s World War II genocide.

Although located in Poland, Auschwitz for example was set up and run entirely by German dictator Adolf Hitler’s occupying forces from 1940 to 1945.

Huh? The Poles were not just forced into this by the Nazis. They were active participants, many of them gleeful and eager to murder Jews. To call these camps Polish is no “gaffe.” Poland DOES bear responsibility for the Nazi genocide of Jews.

It’s just fact. And it’s denial and fraud for Poland and others to argue otherwise.

Yes, there were a few righteous gentile Poles who saved Jews. A very tiny few. The majority were all too happy for the Judenrein, especially in the way it took place.

That was the real Poland during World War II. Anyone who says otherwise is a fraud.

And if you wonder why so many Jews are liberal and won’t vote Republican, BS, like the absurd denial that Nazi Death Camps were Polish, certainly doesn’t help in endearing Jews to the GOP.

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2,076 Responses

Such a style of journalism killed Michael Jackson. Where is the honesty?. Debbie Schlussel did not know that in the concentration camps prisoners were also Poles. Uprising in Warsaw: Polish Jews in 1943 and the Poles in 1944. Ruined city. The liquidation of the Polish intelligentsia by Nazi Germany.

Paul from Poland on June 8, 2012 at 7:16 am

    I am an American Jewish male who lost relatives in Poland during the Holocaust. Having read several books about the Holocaust I do not agree with Debbie Schlussel. While some Poles did assist the Nazis, Poland is known for being a country where relatively few non-Jews were complicit in the Holocaust. Many Jews did not assist the Nazis and risked their lives to help Jews. Furthermore, many Polish Christians were killed in the death camps as well as Polish Jews. While there was and is anti-Semitism in Poland, Poland is in no way, shape, or form responsible for Germany’s war crimes. Poland has the right not to be blamed for what Germany did.

    david on December 2, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    I am an American Jewish male who lost relatives in Poland during the Holocaust. Having read several books about the Holocaust I do not agree with Debbie Schlussel. While some Poles did assist the Nazis, Poland is known for being a country where relatively few non-Jews were complicit in the Holocaust. Many Polish Christians did not assist the Nazis and risked their lives to help Jews. Furthermore, many Polish Christians were killed in the death camps as well as Polish Jews. While there was and is anti-Semitism in Poland, Poland is in no way, shape, or form responsible for Germany’s war crimes. Poland has the right not to be blamed for what Germany did.

    david on December 2, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    To say that all Poles are complicit in the Nazi-perpetrated genocide of European Jewry is like saying that all Jews are responsible for the Holodomor- the genocide orchestrated and engineered by Jews Lazar Kaganovitch, Genrikh
    Yagoda and Lavrenty Beria- absurd!! Calling Dearborn Dearbornistan is like calling the Big Apple Newyorkberg, Vancouver Chinatown or Chicago Chicagobrzeg! Ms. Debbie Schlussel, you might be interested in this link on a Jewish website,www.ynetnews.com: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html with the byline- “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish” referring to the dastardly, ruthless and cowardly act of the Cheka, GPU, NKVD. The authors of the piece go on to say, “In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.”- on a Jewish website no less. On a side note- for the sake of balance- let us all remember that the numerically greatest “Holocaust” in all of recorded human history is the Mao orchestrated killing, in China, of over 40 million people, (with some estimates up to 78 million) in the late 1950s and into the 1960s.

    Krzysztof Dobrowolski on February 19, 2013 at 7:02 pm

Stupid lying bitch, if you claim that Poles killed millions of Jews during the Holocaust, then stop to admit to his Polish roots. From what I can read about you in Wikipedia are from a family of Polish Jews who lived in this country for hundreds of years. Now suddenly here was so bad your family? You had not come here, probably Jews who survived the Holocaust to be ashamed that this is a dumb idiot nonsense he writes on his blog. Your family probably too. Yes, they were collaborators, but also among the Poles and the Jews have not been lacking. The former Polish police who had to collaborate with the Nazis, but it was also the Jewish police in the ghettos, which was more cruel than the Nazis. If you went to school, not a university degree has bought a pig would know about it. Surprised by the fact that in Poland there are anti-Semites? I did when I read such nonsense fabricated.

Grzegorz on June 8, 2012 at 7:42 am

can’t you tell the difference between Polish death camp and German death camps in Poland? if you can’t, then I’m very sorry for your lack of knowledge. even more sorry that you dare to call yourself a journalist because being a journalist should be all about telling the truth. your ignorance is perplexing and I am convinced that something should be done about the level of teaching at the American schools and universities as it is simply outrageous!

kju on June 8, 2012 at 8:17 am

We are trying to explain to you how it was, but like you and the consciousness of not taking, or do you want to humiliate specially all Poles are, unfortunately, but I had a crappy here to express.

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Mariusz ?wierk on June 8, 2012 at 9:23 am

You are stupid

I hate u on June 8, 2012 at 11:03 am

could you explain what do you mean by “There is a reason why Poland was so easily occupied by the Germans.” ?
when you ever go to Poland, especially in Warsaw, you will see plenty of places with massive executions, sometimes almost on every corner of the street, the number of people killed by hundreds doesn’t make even impression – so what really meant in your eyes that “Poland was easily occupied” ?
Not mention the strongest underground army with the most achievements in the whole occupied Europe – even Jan Karski deed itself is a proof of the resistance, also smuggling V1/V2 missile to Britain.
I think that you confuse countries: in Hungary or Romania – those countries weren’t defeated by Germany – they voluntary agreed for cooperation (with one exception: Hungary didn’t complicit to pass all hungarian Jews to Germans).
There is why polish victims to 3 millions Jews added another 3 million of non-Jews. And believe me or at least check or ask somebody – there was no Polish government, no traitors collaborating with Germans as were in France or Norway. Poland at that time was nothing different but big, bloody slaughterhouse.
You suppose to be also aware about Warsaw Uprising (not Ghetto Upraising, but the big one, which last for 63 days mercilessly fight with Nazis).
As the matter of fact I believe you may be shocked about also other unknown in New York bubble balloon facts, like for example : Jews were not the nation , which suffered the most during II WW – compare and check how many Belorussians or Russians were killed and check with common (unfortunately, partially thanks to Spielberg) belief that american army did most of the job to defeat Germans. Nope, Stalin push his own people for big losses but also the main area was east from Germany, not Normandy or couple of western countries liberated by Allies. There is why you should not compare what was going here with what was going there.
No wonder, that American choose ignorance about all details of WWII preferring only those fact, which seems to please them. That make them looks like clowns for those, who know what was going on east from Germany. As you pointed out – that was also the soil, where most of the Jews were killed (but not only them).
Hope you see from that discussion how weak is historical common platform built in New York and how fed with pleasant propaganda and lies and half-lies.
If you remember series from 70-ties “Holocaust” – you should know how ridiculous and out of reality was that production, making rather parody of the whole very sad event then worthy document.

Kaz Klimek on June 8, 2012 at 1:40 pm

You should know, that my grandmother, who is Polish, hid a jewish man in her house during the World War. You should know, that many people helped the Jews bringing them a food, and other essential stuff to the Warsaw Ghetto during the World War. You should know that lot of Polish people were in camps too, because they helped Jews. You should know, that you could be Jewish only because you had red hair. Why do you pass over all those thing that I wrote above and only talk how bad people Polish were. You know nothing about polish and World War history. And even not. You don’t know nothing about all world’s history, because in camps were not only Jews, Polish, but also other foreigners, like Russians, English and so on. You must be a big ignorant, writing not exactly truth and you don’t even wan’t to read more about world’s history.

Cloe on June 8, 2012 at 2:11 pm

Its not about the nationality of someone you ignorant woman, I’m sure if you knew about a muslim death camp you’d be straight in there.

Jade Smith on June 24, 2012 at 3:51 pm

WHY did most Jews CHOOSE to live in Poland for ONE THOUSAND YEARS if Poland is as bad as Jewish anti-Polish Bigots like Debbie Schlussel say it is?

Why did MOST Jews CHOOSE to live in Poland? on July 2, 2012 at 8:33 pm

The only fraud is you, Ms.Schlussel. My father spent six years in a SS slave labour death camp. And Poland did not fall easily- your ignorance of military history seems to be quite evident. This is insulting.Before the Nazis came my mother was enslaved by the Soviets, led by Jewish Red commissars- and local Jewish collaborators who helped to round up people they didn’t like. She witnessed numerous slaughters of schoolboys, priests, any intelligentsia. (So this is personal, Ms.Schlussel) Then the Nazis came and took her away from eastern Poland to be a slave- hardly co-operation. Perhaps, you have forgotten, the Nazi-Soviet non-aggression pact of 1939,von Ribbentrop- Molotov. You imply a National Socialist -Polish conspiracy? Laughable. What you conveniently ignore is the Jewish element in the RED Holocaust- the Gulags.
Six million Poles died in the concentration camps- three million Jewish ones and three million Catholic Poles. Thirteen million people died in the Holocaust- six million Jews . Why are the others ignored and forgotten? What are they chopped liver?
As earlier commentators have pointed out how many aided Jews.But somehow you, Ms.Schlussel demand perfection. And that only you can judge. Who appointed you as judge over the weak and imperfect?
I won’t reason with you as you are beyond reasoning with. Evidence you chose willfully to ignore.
What about mass murderer Shlomo Morel and his cohorts (many like him who later fled to Israel) – who tortured and murdered Germans and Poles in the Western territories appropriated to Poland from Germany thanks to the Stalin? See John Sack’s book- ‘An Eye for an Eye’, which documents Jewish atrocities against Germans out of vengeance. Never again? Hardly and so long as it happens to non-Jews or goyim.
So what can I can conclude is your motivation Ms.Schlussel? Why it’s nothing but hate. After all it is a virtue for Jews. This is according to Rabbi Meir Y. Soloveichik in his article “The Virtue of Hate”-http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/05/the-virtue-of-hate-26
And this is nothing new for the hatred of Christians – Poland – has been around since the inception of the Talmud.
Your article is disgusting and hateful and full of lies. And you get paid for this? Btw is your hair really blonde?

Richard on July 4, 2012 at 4:06 pm

Maybe you a are Jewish but not educated at all plus you have some serious problem girl not with Jews,Poles or Germans but with yourself.Polish people suffered second world war too.My family is polish-jewish and polish side of my family helped Jews.You always find people who can commit a crime during war look in Milgram experiment.Looks like you you want to write a new history,your own.Do not spread hater around.Shalom!

marsey on July 6, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Ms Schlussel: please provide the sources of the comments you have made. You do not appear to have done any serious research on the topic of Polish collaboration with the Nazis. Your comments play right into the hands of unscrupulous Holocaust deniers, who will gleefully quote your remarks as evidence of Jewish lies and misinformation. Perhaps you will take that into account in future before making a fool of yourself and, even if unintentionally, making a mockery of the accuracy of Holocaust history.

CuriousDave on July 10, 2012 at 2:04 am

    “Ms Schlussel: please provide the sources of the comments you have made. You do not appear to have done any serious research on the topic of Polish collaboration with the Nazis.”

    She did, CuriousDave. Her post includes the link to Jacob Flaw’s “Bystanders, Blackmailers, and Perpetrators: Polish Complicity During the Holocaust” which Debbie says is “just a taste of what the Poles wrought on the Jews.” If you are really curious, you will go back up to Debbie’s post, read the link, and then respond to that post including trying to counter what the link says. However, I won’t hold my breath.

    JeffE on July 10, 2012 at 10:19 pm

I am of Polish Catholic decent. I just got back from D.C. a half hour ago. I visited the National Holocaust Museum today. I was disappointed that the three million Catholic Poles murdered were too briefly covered during the exhibits. Why do the Jewish refuse to acknowledge these deaths? The “Jewish” National Holocaust museum covered Gypsy deaths much more even though their death toll pales in comparison. I just don’t get it. It’s almost as if Jews want to solely “own” the Holocaust although millions of others were murdered. I went to public school with many Jewish American classmates. In third grade, one Jewish boy once mockingly told me that Hitler would love me because I had blonde hair and blue eyes. I wish I would had the knowledge then to tell him, “No, Hitler would have had me killed.”

Oh, and this article seems to be written by an emotionally disturbed ten-year-old. No, seriously, this woman belongs on Fox News.

James on August 7, 2012 at 12:28 am

How.Dare.You.
This is absolutely Ridiculous. Utterly Disgusting. Truly, terrifyingly shameful. Again, How dare you!!!!!!!
Shut that foul mouth of yours. Jews weren’t the only ones to be massacred by the Nazi’s! If you put you, probably over 5,000 people in the position of where you had to chose to lead innocent strangers to their death or to lead your own precious also innocent family, people and your own self, to their death? What would you choose? Surely you won’t tell me you’d choose strangers over your precious ones you also have done nothing wrong? The choice is practically mentally impossible! and yet, the polish were forced to make these choices. Anyway, grouped by nationality, Polish were the ones who rescued the most Jews! but still you insist to insult us. Do you expect us to save each and every last Jew?! Do even know how much the Polish have suffered as well!! Jews were not the only victims! I can’t say I don’t respect or understand your anger, but aiming your anger at Polish is not the right thing! I mean, if some of them did that, yes what, they was not the right thing. But again I state, In war if you are given that choice it can oh so thoroughly mess with your mind! You shouldn’t even be angry at Germans, the only one who deserves such a hatred is Hitler.
Please take down this post if you do not wish to receive millions of complaints!

Gabrielle on August 7, 2012 at 4:12 am

Please, this is a lot of rubbish. Did you find some time to study history between plastic surgeries? Or are you lying on purpose?

Please on August 14, 2012 at 1:10 pm

This is pretty funny. Why not talk about the Jews who funded Hitler?
Jew Max Warburg was a top financier of Nazis.
Jew Max Warburg funded Nazis through Warburg Manhattan bank & Warburg controlled Mendelsohn bank

Jew Max Warburg was on the heavily Jewish board at I.G Farben who I.G Farben was the number 1 funder of the Nazis while Jew Max Warburg & the heavily Jewish board at I.G Farben decided to fund Nazi Germany so much through I.G Farben.

Which I.G Farben was created by Jew Rothschild’s just a few years before Hitler came to power.
(Rothschild’s had a financial controlling interest over IBM who helped to create the tracking devices to track Jews)

But it gets better! Jew Max Warburg was on the board of the Nazi Reichbank from 1933 – 1938

Jew Max Warburg also along with many other Jews was involved in paying off Nazis in the Haavara agreement.
In which Jewish bankers paid off Nazis to send 60,000 Jews to Palestine to help create Israel.

Actually it is estimated that as many as 150,000 Jews fought for Hitler.

With the ideal Nazi soldier Werner Goldberg being half Jewish!

Matt Stefanowicz on August 15, 2012 at 6:36 am

Auschwitz concentration camp was created by Nazi Germany to detain Polish Catholic prisoners of war from Nazi Germany. (Learn history)

3 million Polish Catholics were murdered in the Holocaust.

As many as another 3 million Polish Catholics were enslaved in Nazi labor camps.

Nazis had destroyed Warsaw to the ground & Nazis destroyed Poznan to the ground & many other Polish cities.

(But apparently Polish people were being a Nazi ally while they were killing, enslaving Poles by the millions & destroying entire Polish cities.

Yes sorry Polish Catholics couldn’t help Jews all the time as they had their own issues to deal with.

Germany didn’t beat Poland easily.

Germany had annexed Austria, Czech republic & then got Soviet Russians, Ukrainians & even Slovaks to invade & kill Russians.

Germany had an upper hand because Germany was an ally of the Soviet Union in Molotov Ribbentrop pact which gave Germany raw supplies from Russia from the masses.
(Which Poland was not & was cut off being invaded from all sides)

But of course let’s not talk about the Jews of the Soviet Union!

95% of the original Bolsheviks were Jews!

Including Lev Bronstein (Leon Trotsky)
& Lenin was partial Jew with Jewish supremacist views.

Which Jewish funding funded the Bolshevik revolution with such bankers as Jew Jacob Schiff,Rothschild’s , Warburg & Bethmann Jewish banker families funding the Bolshevik revolution.

Not only that!

Jewish Bethmann banker family were behind Germany sending Lenin & the Bolsheviks on a train to Russia to create the Soviet Union.

While Jewish Rothschild’s sent Jew Lev Bronstein (Leon Trotsky) was sent to Russia from New York to help create the Bolshevik revolution.

This was an obvious Jewish scheme to create the Soviet Union in which about 62 million people died.

It was Jew Lazar Kaganovich who created the Holodomor genocide where 4-12 million Jews starved to death in planned genocide.

it was Jew Genrikh Yagoda who created the Gulag system where up to 18 million were imprisoned in slave labor.

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Let’s also not talk about how the Russian mafia is run by Jew Semion Mogelivich & Jew Ludwig Tarzan Fainberg.

Matt Stefanowicz on August 15, 2012 at 6:44 am

I hope the Polish government files a Defamation lawsuit against you ASAP.

Chuck Lester on August 15, 2012 at 1:22 pm

To Debbie Schlussel – What you should know !

?As a reporter or journalist it’s crucial to understand the basics of libel and libel law. Generally speaking, the United States has the freest press in the world, as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. American journalists are generally free to pursue their reporting wherever it may take them, and to cover topics, as The New York Times motto puts it, “without fear or favor.”
?But that doesn’t mean reporters can write anything they want. Rumor, innuendo and gossip are things hard-news reporters generally avoid (as opposed to reporters on the celebrity beat). Most importantly, reporters do not have the right to libel the people they write about.
?In other words, with great freedom comes great responsibility. Libel law is where the press freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment meet the requirements of responsible journalism.
?In law, libel is the written communication of a statement that makes a false or deceptive claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts where one person reveals information which is not of public concern and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy.
?Two torts that involve the communication of false information about a person, a group, or an entity such as a corporation or nation. Libel is any defamation that can be seen, such as a writing, printing, effigy, movie, or statue. Slander is any defamation that is spoken and heard.
?Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one’s good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.
?To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication.
?To prove that the material was defamatory, the plaintiff must show that at least one other person who saw or heard it understood it as having defamatory meaning. It is necessary to show not that all who heard or read the statement understood it to be defamatory, but only that one person other than the plaintiff did so. Therefore, even if the defendant contends that the communication was a joke, if one person other than the plaintiff took it seriously, the communication is considered defamatory.
?In general, there are four defenses to libel or slander: truth, consent, accident, and privilege. The fact that the allegedly defamatory communication is essentially true is usually an absolute defense; the defendant need not verify every detail of the communication, as long as its substance can be established.

marc on August 16, 2012 at 9:29 pm

I simply think that European history is much too difficult, long and complicated for people in the USA to understand, and not really interesting.
It is a reason why people like Debbie “create” their own one, and try to do it interesting – it’s easier. They don’t need to learn.
It’s not worth getting upset about it!!!

HThG on August 24, 2012 at 3:06 am

You really should visit the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in D.C.- towards the end of the exhibit they have a wall listing the Righteous Among Nations (in the same style of the Vietnam War Memorial) and you’ll be able to see, physically, how long the list goes on and on for Poland. Yes, it’s true that Poland had a lot of people who were anti-Semitic and helped turn in Jews, but Poland also has the HIGHEST number of Righteous Among Nations- Yad Vashem recognizes 6,339 Polish individuals for having saved Jews during the Holocaust. Also, to give that number some context, Poles had the most to risk out of any other country occupied by the Nazis for helping Jews- Poland was the only occupied country in which being caught helping a Jew would result in immediate execution without trial or investigation. So just think about that, despite the fact that Poles faced the highest reprecussion for saving Jews, more Poles stood up for them than any other group of people in Europe. Surely that’s something that deserves recognition.

Beyond that, to say that Poles were complicit in the Holocaust is extremely insensitive considering three million Poles were murdered either inside concentration camps or in mass shooting by the Nazis. Although there were six million Jewish victims of the Holocaust, the total number including non-Jewish victims is much higher. Six million people were murdered in Poland alone- three million Polish Jews and three million Polish non-Jewish (mostly Catholics). Anti-semitism is, undeniably, wrong, but so is belittling what Poland suffered through in the war as well. It’s pretty sick to blame the Holocaust on Poland when so many Poles of all ages died in mass shooting and concentration camps as well.

Sarah Kravitz on October 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm

Yeah, there were Poles who were anti-Semitic and handed their neighbors over to the Nazis…but that happened everywhere in Europe, and let’s face it, if this history occurred in the United States, there would be Americans who would do the same thing. By focusing only on Polish complacency, you’re callously ignoring the fact that Poland has the largest number of Righteous Among Nation out of ANY country. Yad Vashem recognizes 6,339 Poles for rescuing Jews during the Holocaust (http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/righteous/statistics.asp). Also, since you clearly didn’t know that, I’m sure you weren’t aware that Poland was the only country where aiding a Jew always resulted in the death penalty. In other occupied countries, you could get let off with a less severe penalty (take, for instance, Miep Gies in Austria who was not punished at all for helping hide the Franks), but in Poland, you were killed immediately. Despite the fact that Poles faced the harshest repercussions for saving Jews, they still saved more Jews than any other country. Clearly, there were anti-Semites, but there were also over 6,000 impossibly brave people who risked death to save Jews.

Furthermore, you can’t say that Poles were complicit in the Holocaust, because next to the Jews, they are the second largest ethnic group murdered by the Nazis. Six million Jews died in the Holoaust, but the overall total of Holocaust victims is much larger when you factor in non-Jewish victims. In fact, six million people were killed from Poland alone- three million Polish Jews and three million Polish Catholics. With that in mind, it’s pretty sick that you say the Poles were complicit in the Holocaust. If you were to pick up any history book on the Occupation of Poland, you’ll be bombarded with quotes by Hitler and Himmler of their intentions to annihilate the Polish people as well. They categorized Poles as racially inferior as well, and they wanted their land for German living space. I mean, honestly, how can you go through even high school and not learn about “lebensraum”? That was primarily Poland Hitler was talking about- so what do YOU think he planned to do with all the Poles already living there?

This article is so incredibly offensive, and it’s a disgrace to ALL the victims of the Holocaust.

Sarah Kravitz on October 1, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Je suis obligé d’intervenir sur ce forum afin de vous empecher de vomir votre inculture historique. Votre victimisation va jusqu’à deformer la verité historique. La Pologne n’a jamais été pays antisemite mais avec des propos comme le votre, risque de le devenir.

Madame, je ne vous salue pas

Marta on October 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm

“the vast majority of 35 million poles who were mostly jew-haters and accessories”

Earlier you claimed that the population of Poland was 35 million.
The most accurate population statistics available for Poland come from the 1931 census. My copies of the census list a total population of 31,9i5,900, of which 22,102,723 were Poles and 9,813,177 non-Poles. With a growth rate of around 15-20% being identified for the years 1931 – 1939, the Polish population in 1939 was around 23.5 million.
For the period October 1939 to June 1941, 5.5 million Poles living in the Soviet sphere of interest must be subtracted from this total, giving 18.5 million Poles. Subsequent to the German invasion of the Soviet Union around 3 million Poles need to be added to that total giving 21.5 million Poles.
Is it your contention that in addition to the 23.5 million Poles, around 11 million non-Poles, including slightly over 3.5 million Jews,all of whom must be included in your given statistic for the population of Poland were complicit in the extermination of the Jews in Poland?

” I deal in facts not the fantasies of Polish apologists like you”
In order to support this contention, could you explain the inconsistency between your claim that the population of Poland was 35 million and all of these were exclusively Poles, with contemporary records which indicate that around 34% of the population were non Polish and consequently the actual population should be around 41,000,000, a figure which does not have any evidential underpinning?

For anyone interested, the census can be accessed online under a search for ‘spis powszechny 1931′. The population figures are given in section X of the General list and in each of the individual county lists. For those who do not speak Polish, the French annotations give a clear guide to the different ethnic groups.

oldpops on October 17, 2012 at 8:09 am

Ms. Schussel.
You make two statements.
“Poland had a population of 35 million” and ” The vast majority of 35 million Poles who were mostly Jew haters and accessories”

All of the population statistics for Poland 1n 1932-1939 are based on the census of 1931. My copies of the census show that in 1931 the population of Poland was 31,915,177. Of this total 22,102,723 were Poles and 9,813,177 non-Poles. The population growth for this period was estimated at around 10%, giving a 1939 estimate of around 24.3 million Poles and 10.7 million non-Poles. Included in the last category are 2,822,501 Jews
(3.1 million in 1939).
Between October 1939 and June 1941 13.4 million inhabitants must be subtracted from the total since they were living in the Soviet sphere of interest, giving a total population of some 21.6 million. From June 1941 around 10 million people can be returned to the total ( the remainder having perished, been deported or had left the area) giving a total of 31.6 million.

“I deal in fact, not the fantasies of polish apologists like you”
In order to establish fact, is it your contention that the entire population of Poland was exclusively Polish and was complicit in the extermination of the Jews?
How do you explain the existence of a large non-Polish population resident on the territory of Poland, which is not included in your assertion that the population of Poland was 35 million of whom 35 million were Poles?
Can you explainthe apparent contradiction contained in an inference which can be drawn from your statements, that the presence of 3,1 million Jews on the territory of Poland in 1939 all of whom must be Poles were complicit in the murder of at least 3 million Jews, who are recorded as living in Poland and who were not Poles, but living on the territory of Poland?

For anyone who wishes to check the figures the Polish 1931 census is also available on line under a search for ‘ drugi spis powszechny 1931′. The figures are given in a general record and also by individual counties and the ethnic composition of the population can be found under section X in each. Although in Polish, a French translation is include and this easily identifies each ethnic group.

The Polish campaign ended on October 5th 1939. German records show that the extermination camps in Poland were constructed as follows.

Auschwitz 1. Built during the interwar period and serving as the barracks for the Polish army. Taken over by the Germans in 1939. Commenced operations against Jewish prisoners in 1940.

Auschwitz -Birkenau complex. Constructed in 1941. Commenced operations in 1941. Subsequently expanded and enlarged.

Chelmno. Constructed in 1941. Commenced operations in 1941.

Belzec. Constructed in 1941. Commenced operations in 1942.

Majdanek. Constructed 1941. Commenced operations in 1941.

Sobibor. Constructed in 1942. Commenced operations in 1942.

Treblinka. Constructed in 1941. Commenced operations in 1941.

Records are available, which indicate that the Endlosung der Judenfrage or final solution,was decided upon and implemented in 1942.we are also able to establish that from around that date, the camps listed were part of the idustrialised machinery utilised to achieve the destruction of a variety of ethnic groups but wuth the greatest emphasis upon the jewish population of Europe. The available records demonstrat that the whole process, from the building of the camps to the selection, transportation and extermination of humans under this programme, was decided upon, controlled, managed and implemented under the directcontrol of the Nazi state. Furthermore we are able to acces documents which clearly indicate that the Nazis considered the Polish population as hostile to the Nazis, unreliable and therefore notfit to be utilised as anything but slave labour.

In order to establish fact, Is it your contention that evidence exists to demonstrate, that the Poles of their own accord,whilst under an Nazi occupation that was severely repressive, built camps, staffed these, managed and implemented a programme of the destruction of the Jews,which was not connected to any similar steps taken by the Nazis?

Would you be so kind as to furnish me with the names of the organisers of such a programme, as I would then be able to access the archives, recover the material and publish it so that the history of the Jewsish holocaust could be made more complete?

oldpops on October 17, 2012 at 9:50 am

Anti-Semitism in Europe was spawned from a combination of widespread ignorance, half-truths and outright lies to become, like the monster of Dr Frankenstein, a thoughtless killer. It is regrettable that Ms Debbie Schlussel, in making her unfounded theory about the so-called Polish complicity in the mass murder of its Jews may have created another abomination. At best, Ms Schlussel is being irresponsible. Human civilization has for centuries suffered from too much pain, thanks to persistent lies told at the expense of millions of people. People like he should be more circumspect.

Marion Lupp on October 22, 2012 at 5:13 am

Reprehensible, complicity?? Really?? Hundreds of thousands of Poles were slaughtered as well as Jews. My family fled Ploand for their lives. Poland was maybe the only country where harboring a Jew ment death for your ENTIRE family. Sound complicit to you? JEWS WERE NOT THE ONLY VICTIMS OF HOLOCAUST…Death camps IN Poland were for POLES AS WELL AS JEWS. STOP ACTING LIKE YOUR PEOPLE WERE ALONE IN SUFFERING. AND DON’T POINT THE FINGER AT OTHER VICTIMS. YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF DEBBIE!!

Elaine on December 4, 2012 at 7:55 am

By the way, my family was persecuted because they were POLISH LAND OWNERS….

Elaine on December 4, 2012 at 7:58 am

You Didnt have to be Jewish to be worthy of death at that time…

Elaine on December 4, 2012 at 7:59 am

You are too stupid for words. I would like to logically debate you based on this article but can only think of what Thomas Jefferson said, “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them…” Your ideas are not only wrong and fail to grasp any basic facts or history, they are willfully ignorant and hateful and this article offensive and disgusting.

stunned on December 28, 2012 at 3:42 am

Have you ever had history lectures, or you just acting brainless stupid alass, who got no clue what is writing about.
Even people in blody China got more knowledge than you.
I am sorry for your parents, and grandparents, who possibly run to USA before they even seen any Nazi in Poland.

Sam Yee on January 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm

I cannot simply say how stupid and untrue this ” article ” is. Debbie Schlussel has no brain or idea what happened. You are one of the most ignorant and uneducated people I know.

Julia K. on January 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm

Wow did i wake up yesterday? When has Poland ever been some super power? Lasr I knew Russia is one, and Germany, not too far behind. We where stuck in the middle of them fighting, and building camps all over Poland. Best part here is you think Polish people wanted them there, just to kill jews, oya thats right and there own kind themselves. Does that even sound any bit logical too you? I think you are truley the most ignorant, delisonal, person alive, or someone who hates Poles pumped your head up, with a whole lotta bullshit. My grandfather who is 100% Polish had 9 brothers and sisters a mom, and a dad, and like yours they lived on a farm. My grandparents family had been taking away by Russian soldiers, they all died in Siberia. My grandfather lived bc he was away fighting in the underground Polish army. Maybe he killed your family? Hmmm…. No he did not… lol I am not happy that happened for me or you, but you dont hear me bitching, whinning, complaining, and throwing a pity party. I bet i would have a much bigger family today, but i dont, and it happened. I however could act like you, and blame the jews for being in Poland to begin with, but will I no. Idk, but maybe just maybe 6 million of the really bad Poles wanted to die too. Also how many polish jews are there many. Yes there is many polish jews. So no i will not tell you every Pole was innocent, nor was every jew, nor did every German agree. We all just did not wanna die, but we all did. Mainly Poles, and Jews. Someone who has been born into a family that has suffered from hate crimes, you should know better, bc all i hear is hatred coming out of your mouth. Makes you no better then Hitler, or Stalin, but enjoy your atten for writing a ignorant blog…..

kate on January 31, 2013 at 9:11 am

I think you’re provoking people & causing Anti-semetic responses from Polish people. Maybe you’ve forgotten but lost just as many non-Jews as it did Jewish people. If you know anything about warfare, which I highly doubt you do. Your father being a veteran does not make you General Patton. I’am a former Marine, and I’ll tell you Poland had no chance, and you can’t blame people for their sense of self-preservation. Besides 6000+ Polish nationals have been awarded by Israel for their contribution in aiding Jews from extermination during WWII. I really think you’re overly self-righteous Debbie & attacking people isn’t the Jewish way to deal with people. “Live well that is the greatest revenge.” – The Talmud

Robert G. on February 7, 2013 at 10:30 pm

Funny and stupid “girl” – not more !!!!

Ojeju on February 12, 2013 at 11:00 am

jak nie wiadomo o co chodzi
to chodzi o pieniadze

ile za takie idiotyzmy placa?

poland on February 13, 2013 at 3:02 am

To say that all Poles are complicit in the Nazi-perpetrated genocide of European Jewry is like saying that all Jews are responsible for the Holodomor- the genocide orchestrated and engineered by Jews Lazar Kaganovitch, Genrikh
Yagoda and Lavrenty Beria- absurd!! Calling Dearborn Dearbornistan is like calling the Big Apple Newyorkberg, Vancouver Chinatown or Chicago Chicagobrzeg! Ms. Debbie Schlussel, you might be interested in this link on a Jewish website,www.ynetnews.com: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html with the byline- “We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish” referring to the dastardly, ruthless and cowardly act of the Cheka, GPU, NKVD. The authors of the piece go on to say, “In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.”- on a Jewish website no less. On a side note- for the sake of balance- let us all remember that the numerically greatest “Holocaust” in all of recorded human history is the Mao orchestrated killing, in China, of over 40 million people, (with some estimates up to 78 million) in the late 1950s and into the 1960s.

Krzysztof Dobrowolski on February 19, 2013 at 3:21 pm

Ca?a prawda o ?ydostwie jest w “Protoko?ach M?drców Syjonu” !!

Polak on March 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust – in your face.

Janek on May 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust – in your face

Janek on May 26, 2013 at 5:32 pm

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_Jews_by_Poles_during_the_Holocaust

Janek on May 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm

The following disproves Debbie Schlussel’s thesis of Polish anti-Semitism:
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/113941/at-krakows-jewish-community-centre-90-cent-volunteers-are-catholic

Chrobry on January 13, 2014 at 4:38 pm

Feeling outraged about somebody calling the extermination sites “Polish” is the proper reaction (if outrage ever is proper). The sites were not Polish. The fact Poles were victims of both the Nazis and the Soviets in their time, and the fact they have paid heroic armed resistance to both, is undisputed. Trying to lay a ground for identification of young Poles with antisemitism like this article does, is an evil and inefficient propaganda. Men should not care so much about the possible moral failures of the former generations of their nation (like those few or more than few who collaborated with the pagan fear-worshipers and biochemists who ran the Reich), as they do about their present life. Even Germans, who are without doubt the descendants of the Reich citizens who participated in the war, and some, sadly, in the holocaust, have shown us they could reach a just and democratic political system that respects human dignity under American custody. Now Poland is democratic and largely pro-western, and the other Slavs including the Russians will come there too! Love Jews, they really are the light of the nations, and their preference of justice, righteousness, mutual respect, and free trade over obedience, fear, socialist policy, and tyrrany is the founding principle which sustains the World and keeps it from reverting to bloody barbarism and/or serfdom.

Petr Heger on February 2, 2014 at 10:21 pm

I am an Canadian Jewish male who lost relatives in Poland during the Holocaust. Such a style of journalism is childish. Where is the honesty and dignity? If you read history you will find that not only Poles but Jews did assist the Nazis. If you say NO then you should not called yourself a Jew. If you like expose the truth make sure that is real truth not only your point of blind view. You cannot change truth but if you will do then there is no different between you and Nazis!
You must be a big ignorant, writing not exactly truth and you don’t even wan’t to read more about world’s history.
Your article is disgusting and hateful and full of lies. And you get paid for this?
I hope the Polish government files a Defamation lawsuit against you ASAP.
http://www.antypolonizm.com/

Mark on February 21, 2014 at 12:12 am

SHE IS SAYING OBVIOUS STUPID LIES – THERE ARE MILIONS OF DOCUMENTS DATING BACK FROM SECOND WORLD WAR THAT JEWISH HOLOCAUST WAS THE RESULT OF N A Z I THIRD REICH GENOCIDE WHO KILLED EVERYONE AND POLISH PEPLE WERE VICTIMS THE SAME AS JEWISH . PERIOD

Karl on February 25, 2014 at 10:04 am

STUPID GIRL

Karl on February 25, 2014 at 10:05 am

Deb, you’ve watched far too many Hollywood produced documentaries and movies portraying Jews as the only victims of the Holocaust. Many Poles risked their lives hiding and feeding Jewish children. Never see a movie about that. Close to 2million Poles died in the camps. Put out another victim movie around the same time Israel kills more women and children with the occupation.

Ed Dobz on April 25, 2014 at 7:28 pm

Ms Debbie’s comments are insulting and destructive. She does not refer to any resonable sources in her ‘prattle’ on Holocaust and her knowledge of the history is non-existent. Since she speaks with such an authority she could at least present some bibliography on which she bases her false information about Poland, Holocaust, Polish and Jews.

I feel particularly offended as my Father (not a drop of Jewish blood)spent four years in the concentration camp (from the tender age of 16), his brother was killed by Nazis, his two aunts also lost their lives in Majdanek and and their neighbours were shot because they kept Jewish woman in hidding. My Mother suffered more than you can imagine, Ms Debbi but I find it pointless to make you understand unimagible loss of everyhting that Poles valued, had repect for including their the dignity.

I suggest you read books (documents with sources and bibliography included!!!) by Norman Davies. It would be good for you to learn at least a bit from the Polish history rather than spending your time writing unreliable ‘information.’ It would be time well spent!!!

I wonder what/who made you hate Poland/Poles so much? American Jews have money and they consider their ‘memories’ the only valid memories; its easy to accuse others without looking at yourself. Many Jews in US have derogatory opinion about Poland; why? even post-war generation of Jews that grew up in Poland, got their degrees in Poland (FOR FREE) constantly accuse FALSELY Poland and Polish people about the consequences of the Second World War. I heard accusations from Mr Gross that Poland should stand up for Jews during Second World War. We lost over 3 mln Polish people in that WA although in spite of the records we will never know the TRUE number of those killed. It was a war, Jews were also againtst Jews, people wanted to survive, as you know the will to live is a very strong instinct.

I feel pity for your Miss Debbi.
I just wish people like you who make such important statements made them in a responsive and informed way.

Miss Debbie, your commnets are deeply insulting to the memory of MY FAMILY…not that you care…..

proud to be a pole on December 15, 2014 at 7:30 pm

Hatemongers and rabble rousers like you don’t deserve an answer.
Shame on you!

Jane Doe on December 26, 2014 at 2:16 pm

Why are you doing this? Do you have a soul?

Dora on January 16, 2015 at 11:21 pm

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