June 10, 2009, - 6:00 pm

So What if Holocaust Museum Shooter is White Christian: We Know Who Crescented, er . . . Created This Atmosphere; 9/11 Truther

By Debbie Schlussel
Much is being made by Muslims and their many defenders on the left–and the ignoramus “conservatives” at Hot Air (who lecture us that hate has no ideological bounds, which I already learned not from those clueless ones, but from Sarah Palin e-mails wishing me cancer)–that the shooter of several people (one now dead) at the U.S. Holocaust Museum is not a Muslim but a White guy, James W. Von Brunn, who is a neo-Nazi.
But that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, it is because of Muslims–who are the biggest contributor to the worldwide rise in anti-Semitism to Holocaust-eve levels–that neo-Nazis feel comfortable–far more comfortable!–manifesting their views about Jews. Until 9/11 and our resulting new tolerance for Islam, the neo-Nazi types were marginalized and howling at the wind. We know who has been targeting Jewish museums and centers affiliated with Jews in recent years. And it hasn’t been, in general, 89-year-old White guys.

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Holocaust Museum Shooter James W. Von Brunn:

Islamic Anti-Semitism Made Him Feel Comfy

Mr. Von Brunn has been on this planet for 89 years, and he didn’t feel comfortable shooting up a Holocaust museum until now–this new era of “tolerance,” in which we must tolerate the most extremist Muslim behaviors and sentiments. It’s, in general, not 89-year-old White guys telling people at churches worldwide and in religious schools that the Jews are the devil incarnate, a filthy tribe, the sons of pigs and monkeys, subhuman, etc.
No, it’s guys with names like Mohammed and Ahmed on our own American streets who make Mr. Von Brunn far more at ease in 2009 than he was even in 1999 to attack places associated with the Jews. They created the comfort zone for James W. Brunn to engage in today’s shooting.
The rash of anti-Semitic attacks in America, with a frequency unheard of in previous contemporary U.S. history–on synagogues all over the country, a Jewish community center in Seattle, and now this Holocaust museum–have all happened since 9/11 and our new tolerance for Islam and all of its intolerant extremism. This is no coincidence. It is a correlation.
And trust me, they’re cheering him on, on the streets of Lahore and Riyadh and Damascus, but bummed out that he only got some poor working class guard, instead of . . . . the JOOOOOS.
Make no mistake. Muslims created this atmosphere where hatred of the Jews is okay and must be “tolerated” as a legitimate point of view. The shooting today is just yet another manifestation emanating from that viewpoint–another manifestation of the welcome mat that Muslims rolled out for fellow anti-Semites of all stripes to no longer be afraid to come out of the closet.
Moreover, not only do White supremacists and neo-Nazis work with Muslims in many, many documented cases and investigations. But they are basically one and the same. The only difference is that one guy is named James and the other guy is named Ahmed. And the former only has a few thousand discredited, marginalized compatriots.
Whereas the latter has over a billion followers and a U.S. President kissing their collective ass.
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Von Brunn was also a 9/11 Truther, so he has even more in common with his Muslim brothers in arms and their left-wing buddies than any White Christian American.
We know where the 9/11 Truther movement got started. A few e-mails started going around the Muslim Mid-East telling the complete lie that Jews knew about the attacks ahead of 9/11 and didn’t show up for work. As we know, in fact, the Jews didn’t get the memo.
But James Von Brunn got the Muslim memo. And even though he, himself, doesn’t worship Mohammed (and there’s still time for that, yet, in prison), he did the bidding of those who do by listening to their propaganda.

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Debbie:
Not to divert the topic, but this anti-semitic guy hated Christians too.
James Von Brunn did not get the Muslim memo, I think the Muslims got the James Von Brunn memo. Muslims are never original even in their destruction, they tend to copy from others and make it a pattern (suicide bombing from LTTE, kamikaze from the Japanese, etc).
Anyway I hope he meets allah before the trial.
My condolences to the family of the dead security guard.
[AT: I'VE REMOVED THE LINK YOU POSTED BECAUSE THAT BLOGGER DEFENDED A WOMAN WHO SUPPORTED MUSLIM DEATH THREATS ON MY LIFE. SHE WILL GET NO TRAFFIC FROM THIS SITE. DS]

anonymous twit on June 10, 2009 at 6:30 pm

DS I agree with you 100%. History has shown this over and over again. Jews are being targeted because Americans are bending over backwards not to offend the Religion of Islam. This is not only outrageous, its puts innocent Americans, especially Jews directly in harms way. This is exactly what happens when a nation panders to the ruthless Muslim murderers who attacked our nation on 9/11/2001. America needs to wake up NOW. Electing Obama has ramifications far beyond the economic disaster he is bringing upon us.

bonzerwolf on June 10, 2009 at 6:50 pm

Yup. No difference indeed. In fact, in Egypt, German Nazis who absconded there after the Second World War II converted to Islam. And there is the Mufti Husseini’s meeting with Hitler and admiration for the Holocaust, etc. Its not just ancient history. What’s happened is the world’s sympathy for Jews has expired and it is OK to hate them. A while back, Debbie posted those pictures on a thread now in her archives showing Pakistani Muslims carrying “I love Hitler” signs. James W. Von Brunn has quite a respectable pedigree he’s descended from and has a lot of friends whom the world kisses up to. With all this history, you would think Jews would know better and sadly, that’s not the case at all. In this day and age that’s where Debbie is doing the thankless and politically incorrect but still very important job of getting the truth out about Islam and the danger it poses to the Jewish people and the world.

NormanF on June 10, 2009 at 7:02 pm

NormanF – I was just about to post something very similar. Nazis and Muslims are the same. You mentioned Egypt, but that was not the only Muslim country to hide Nazis (and Syria still has at least one).
Also, not only did the Mufti meet Hitler, but he also organized a Muslim unit in Croatia to fight for the Nazis. To top that off, he spent the war in Berlin where he was Hitler’s special guest.

i_am_me on June 10, 2009 at 7:08 pm

I_am, yes that is a matter of historical record and the Arab World has had no compunction about sheltering Nazis. Mein Kampf is a perennial best-seller in Arabic and Jew hatred is mainstream in the Arab World.

NormanF on June 10, 2009 at 7:18 pm

The liberals will call for censoring the internet and taking our guns. Sorry I will take my chances, I want to live with freedoms and know some kooks will abuse those freedoms. Liberals want to take freedoms and you still have to live with the kooks. Guess what there will be more killings and guess what I still want my freedoms, not less. Do we stop flying planes because a plane crashes?

californiascreaming on June 10, 2009 at 7:57 pm

I’m all for bashing muslims when they’re up to no goodbut how are they some how responsible for this attack? This guy is 88 years old, from a different generation, i don’t think he could give a rats a– about muslims either, same with White supremacists, you think think they’re shaking hands and having drinks with the muslims?
This guy wrote a book about the “destruction of the White Race”, so yeah his hatred was pretty wide-spread, and this whole notion of muslims being worser than the nazis is just absurd, let be real here, god forbid when the day comes when when muslims start rounding up millions of jews in camps then you can compare them

ctevez on June 10, 2009 at 8:15 pm

Debby this guy has been an anti-semite, black, government hater for a long long time. Long before 9.11. A brief read of his web site would have given you a hint. Don’t forget he has already been in prison and blamed the jews and blacks for it. Next he is a hero on the white supremacist site storm front.

yak3043r on June 10, 2009 at 8:25 pm

I fully agree with you, Debbie and with NormanF and my friend, BonzerWolf above! Thank you for an on-target analysis of today’s tragic event at the DC Holocaust Museum.
While the President has another “date night” – the focus of the bizarre, state-run mainstream media – the USA descends into the monstrous depths of anti-Semitism that bears the mark of Islam.
I am praying for the family of the slain Museum Guard, the Jewish people, Israel and the USA!

crazycatkids on June 10, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Let’s not forget that 0-Bama’s mentor and Reverend for 20 years, Rev. Wright, only just today said that “them Jews” wouldn’t let him talk to 0-Bama, and that there was a “ethnic cleansing” going on in Gaza.
http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story
I blame him for inciting this attack….

Mohammed the Teddy-Bear on June 10, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Do we stop living because of human evil? We should fight it and get on with our lives.

NormanF on June 10, 2009 at 8:48 pm

Mohammed, those who hate Jews don’t need reasons to attack them. We can thank G-d a Jew wasn’t killed today but its small consolation to the museum guard’s family. The taking of an innocent human life is enough for sorrow.

NormanF on June 10, 2009 at 8:51 pm

Wow, Debbie… What’s next? You’re gonna tell us Muslims invented anti-semitism? Hitler was an Arab? How about you ask your evengelical friends who killed Jesus? You won’t like what you hear from your Born Again friends, kapo. In the exception of extremist Jews, most extremists are anti-semites.
Go read a book.

sirkowski on June 10, 2009 at 8:55 pm

By the way, little Debbie, nice to omit that the guy tried something similar in 81. I imagine it was Carter’s fault at the time, amirite?

sirkowski on June 10, 2009 at 9:01 pm

I agree completely with your contention, Debbie. The current American political climate is increasingly anti-Israel and philoislamic, which emboldens antisemites of all stripes to openly attack Jews. An event of this type would have been far less likely ten years ago, and I predict that more such attacks will be attempted by inveterate Jew-haters, both Muslim and non-Muslim. It cannot be emphasized enough that Islam (which Hitler greatly admired, in contrast to Christianity, which he deprecated as “soft”) is doctrinally anti-Jewish at its core, regarding Jews as reviled and hated by Allah, more loathsome, even, than the Christians and Zoroastrians, the other “peoples of the book.” Jews are regarded as vile because, inter alia, they killed their prophets, broke the Sabbath, practice sorcery, and denied Mohammed as the Seal of the Prophets, changing their scripture to expunge all references to him where they occurred. The conclusion many Muslim scholars, jurists, and clerics draw from this portrayal is that Jews must be fought and killed because of their offenses to Allah. There is a famous hadith, often invoked to justify the killing of Jews, found in several variants in Sahih Muslim, to wit: “The Day of Judgment will come only when the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, until the Jew hides behind the tree and the stone, and the tree and the stone say: “O Muslim, O servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him – except for the gharkad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, No. 6985)

commonsense on June 10, 2009 at 9:21 pm

Number 1: Obala IS A MUSLIM. Why can’t anyone understand that? In addition to not being a US citizen.
Number 2: Muslims typically “partner” with neo-Nazis such as David Duke. They are cut from the same cloth.

lexi on June 10, 2009 at 9:24 pm

I think the following link is on target:
http://www.littlegreenfootballs2.com/2009/06/10/holocaust-museum-shooter-von-brunn-a-911-truther-who-hated-neo-cons-bush-mccain/
At the link, the case is made that the hate views of many White Supremacists actually lean more left than right. Then there is a bit about the hate alliance between the left and radical Islam.
There is also more. It is worth reading.

i_am_me on June 10, 2009 at 9:40 pm

I really have a heavy heart for the security guard, that will never go home again to see his family.
Other than pure hatred for people of color, and Jews, it’s hard to figure what motivates sickos like James Von Brunn, and how many more are out there in waiting.

Jackson Pearson on June 10, 2009 at 10:32 pm

Seems this guy is an equal opportunity hater.
He hated Christians too.
For obvious reasons I won’t link to his site, but here is a portion of one of his screeds:
The Gospels profess that only Christians may enter Yahweh’s Kingdom of Heaven. To qualify, among other demands, Christians must LOVE THEIR ENEMIES (Jews); give away their personal belongings; eschew knowledge; judge not, despise nature, abandon earthly pleasures, acknowledge that all YHWH’s children are equal; and above all else worship YHWH, the jealous, wrathful, vengeful, unforgiving, genocidal, anthropomorphic tribal god (Jesus’ father) created by Hebrews in their image and likeness. Omnipotent, omniscient YHWH promises Hebrews that they alone shall inherit the earth, that it is commendable to steal from Gentiles, better yet — kill them. Whereas Gentiles, if they fail to worship YHWH, are transported straight to Hell. And it is written, “A little child shall lead them.”
These dangerous, imbecilic, concepts, tenets, and teachings, often treasonous, DESTROYED the Roman Empire and drenched the soil of Europe with Aryan blood for almost 2000 years!
The Big Lie technique, employed by Paul to create the CHRISTIAN RELIGION, also was used to create the HOLOCAUST RELIGION … CHRISTIANITY AND THE HOLOCAUST are HOAXES.
“Christianity” destroyed Roman Civilization. The “Holocaust” Religion is destroying Western Civilization. The Aryan gene-pool dies, “unwept, unhonored and unsung.”
Link:
http://www.whatswrongwiththeworld.net/2009/06/antichristian_white_supremacis.html

Aye Chihuahua on June 10, 2009 at 10:36 pm

There is more tolerance for anti-Semetism now than at any time since World War II. Leaders, like the President of Iran, can make some truly outrageous statements about Jews and condone genocide, and there is hardly a squak about it now. Such an environment emboldens marginal people to ocmmit acts that they would otherwise have had only have fantasies about in the past. When mainstreat academics like Norman Finklestein validate conspiracy theories about Jews, it eventually percolates down to the likes of von Brunn and his ilk as a welcome validation of their views.

Worry01 on June 10, 2009 at 10:53 pm

There is more tolerance for anti-Semetism now than at any time since World War II. Leaders, like the President of Iran, can make some truly outrageous statements about Jews and condone genocide, and there is hardly a squak about it now. Such an environment emboldens marginal people to ocmmit acts that they would otherwise have had only have fantasies about in the past. When mainstreat academics like Norman Finklestein validate conspiracy theories about Jews, it eventually percolates down to the likes of von Brunn and his ilk as a welcome validation of their views.

Worry01 on June 10, 2009 at 10:54 pm

Another death for sake of the mythical Aryan’s.
Just a reminder; the greatest of the NAZI’s, the Waffen SS were not Christians and neither were most of the party members. They believed in a mixture of psedoscience, paganism, and sorcery. They worshipped themselves and their ultimate goal was to recreate a master race out of the healthier German people – the mythical Aryan of La Tene celtic times. Murder, genocide, and eugenics were all part of this.
Remember, it wasn’t only the Jews that were targeted in the Holocaust: any race not close to Aryan ideals and the mentally and physically handicapped were all targeted. The Jews were specifically targeted not just for their numbers, but were believed by some to be the reason the Aryan was bred out thousands of years ago. The Priories had no influence, but did give a stronger pretext to action in the NAZI’s minds. Anyone who got in the way of their perfect work was eliminated: this meant many were sent to the concentration camps or outright murdered – just like today.
All the shooter did was practice his religion. All the more reason to end this bull#$%& once and for all.

bhparkman on June 10, 2009 at 10:55 pm

Unfortunately, I was thinking along the same lines today. The Islamic-Nazi connection is well established though infrequently referenced and virtually ignored in the media. While the Mufti el Husseini was certainly instrumental in indoctrinating the M.E. with Nazi propaganda, the sentiments were quickly snapped up and integrated into burgeoning movements such as the Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-kuntzel-s05.htm). In fact, it is no coincidence that the Protocols of Zion and Mein Kampf are some of the best selling books in the Muslim world today. Ignoring the Muslim-White Supremacist connection is not only misguided, it is extremely disingenuous.
There is no question that the “open season” mentality spurred on by Islamic anti-Semitism and the far left has facilitated and empowered the neo-Nazi groups to action.

Bubbaman on June 10, 2009 at 11:05 pm

White supremacy, neo-Nazi’s, ultra-national fascists are all part of the right-wing.
They are ALL yours.

donsmith7777 on June 10, 2009 at 11:10 pm

Good grief, you people had me going there. For a minute I thought no one at this site had ever heard of the Lohamei Herut Israel. Why, a complete imbecile reading this might actually think that Muslims invented terror, or that Muslims didn’t save tens of thousands of Jews from the Nazis, or that places like Baghdad, Tehran, and North Africa weren’t safe havens for Jews during the 1500 years of their relentless persecution and murder by Christians in Europe. Everybody remembers where Maimonides went to college, right? Of course, you aren’t idiots, after all.

Atlas Scruggs on June 11, 2009 at 12:53 am

The above is ahistorical nonsense.
“The nation of Ishmael…persecute us severely and devise ways to harm us and to debase us…None has matched it in debasing and humiliating us. None has been able to reduce us as they have. We have done as our sages of blessed memory instructed us, bearing the lies and absurdities of Ishmael. We listen, but remain silent…In spite of all this, we are not spared from the ferocity of their wickedness, and their outbursts at any time. On the contrary, the more we suffer and choose to conciliate them, the more they choose to act belligerently toward us.” -Maimonides, Epistle to the Jews of Yemen (1172)
(Found in the Introductory Quotes, page 11, The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism, Andrew Bostom, ed.)

commonsense on June 11, 2009 at 1:52 am

As someone pointed out, he tried to kidnap members of the Fed in 1981 and served over six years in prison.
He has been part of the neo-Nazi movement for decades.
He wrote his book which has a chapter denying the Holocaust in 1999.
This had nothing to do with Muslims.
It seems he wrote similar things about Obama not being a citizen as one of the comments above.
Ahmadinejad was strongly condemned internationally for his statements and may lose the election in part because of it.

ari on June 11, 2009 at 3:15 am

Debbie criticizes Muslim intolerance and hatred yet she herself is seething with. she’s just another “hater”, that is obvious.

Elaine on June 11, 2009 at 4:24 am

Norman –
FWIW, the Bible clearly shows that from the start of Jesus’ “career”, the High Priests plotted to kill him BUT it was the Romans and only the Romans who had the power and the authority to kill him. It was Romans who drove the nails and the spear through him.
The Jews plotted to murder him but it was Gentiles that killed him therefore his blood was on everyone’s hands.

kaporet on June 11, 2009 at 7:05 am

Norman –
It was the High Priests that plotted to murder Jesus but it was the Romans,and only the Romans who what the authority to kill him. He was crucified and speared by Roman soldiers. The Jews wanted him dead but the Gentiles killed him.
The blood was on all hands.

kaporet on June 11, 2009 at 7:08 am

One old dude acts out his fantasy, MSM has wall to wall coverage shaming everyone and everything because because people “hate”. He was a lone wolf, has no armed posse or militant group. MSM goes off and tries to make society feels like all conservatives are racists. I voted for Alan Keyes in the primaries, I voted for a Black man too. They keep saying conservatives cant handle a Black president. I can! I voted for Alan Keyes. The MSM is racist to think I can’t handle a Black president. MSM continues to ridicule conservatives and emasculate this country. Hell I’m not surprised more people haven’t gone off. How many homicides happened last nite in America? 50 or so. Let’s have wall to wall to coverage of why they lost it. MSM has people hiding under their bedsheets and wetting their pants. Dont fall for the hype.
I see liberals coming out of the woodwork, puffing up their chest, raising their voices hoping it is going to get conservatives to think twice about their thinking. Blaming Limbaugh, blaming talk radio.
Did Jeremiah Wright or Farakhan represent the view of all liberals. This nut had no political affiliation with any Republican. Well KING HUSSEIN COBRAMA had an affiliation for an avowed supremacist. He was listening to the hate of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years.
GOT HATE? Looks like COBRAMA had doses of it for 20 years in J. Wright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqkMfToY9Pk

californiascreaming on June 11, 2009 at 7:51 am

The Anti-Defamation League notes that in 2000 there were 1,606 attacks on Jews or Jewish institutions in the US. In 2008, there were 1,352. The high-water mark was 1994 with more than 2,000 incidents. 2008 was, in fact, the fourth straight year of declining incidents. So, there’s no new RASH of anti-semitic violence, in fact, there’s an ANTI-rash.
Ms. Schlussel, you’re welcome to your own interpretation of the facts, but you are not free to create your own facts. I look forward to your revised essay about how, despite a 30% drop in anti-semitic incidents since 1994, this is, in fact, the most anti-semitic time in the US since the eve of the Holocaust. It will certainly be interesting.

Greg on June 11, 2009 at 8:22 am

Von Brunn pretty much says it all…and it has nothing to do with Muslim “tolerance”…Jew-hating is as Amerikkklan as baseball.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/26/nyregion/26swastikas.html

EminemsRevenge on June 11, 2009 at 9:07 am

I agree with EminemsRevenge.
Ms Schlussel: Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be creating a “comfort zone” for not only attacks on law-abiding Muslims in, say, the Detroit area – because you blame them for a violent mindset that clearly existed before political Islam and the creation of the State of Israel (see the Holocaust and various pogroms, the blood libel, etc) – but attacks on law-abiding Jews and Jewish symbols, by giving guys like Von Brunn an alibi? What you’re doing here is seeking to “explain” and “empathize” with his behaviour.
It’s very liberal, and the Jews will suffer. I think you should apologize.

stevebeadle on June 11, 2009 at 9:24 am

“No, it’s guys with names like Mohammed and Ahmed on our own American streets who make Mr. Von Brunn far more at ease in 2009 than he was even in 1999 to attack places associated with the Jews. They created the comfort zone for James W. Brunn to engage in today’s shooting.”
That is astonishingly incorrect. Please do not forget that the American neo nazu element has been active since the early 1960′s. You also seem to forget the 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting, when a derranged white supremacist Buford O. Furrow, Jr. walked into the lobby of the North Valley Jewish Community Center in Granada Hills and opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon, unloading 70 shots into the complex woundeding five people: three children, a teenage counselor, and an office worker. He murdered a mail carrier, as a target of opportunity (he was of Philippino descent).
Tying this tragedy to serve any political agenda is exactly what the shooter was trying to do. Do not use the death of an innocent man to further yours.

buckwheat on June 11, 2009 at 9:34 am

That neo-Nazi thug looks like “Paulie Walnuts” from The Sopranos, except without the “wings”.

Thee_Bruno on June 11, 2009 at 10:40 am

So this crazy white supremacist’s murder of an African American security guard at the Holocaust museum is all the fault of teh Islam?! WTF?

Bulworth on June 11, 2009 at 10:52 am

Will the Jewish community rememeber “some poor working class guard” as you — Debbie — refer to him because he was protecting Jewish interests? I can’t see how he could be addressed as such when he put his life on the line,– front lines — to be exact. Our grade 8 students from the Hewbrew Day School are visiting DC this week and the Holocaust museum was on their list of places to visit. Now, because of this shmuck – the museum is closed for the week.
The Jewish community should eulogise and honour the “poor working class gaurd” as you refer to him whose name is Steven Johns. At least Sara Bloomfield(Museum Offical) will close the museum and lower the flags at half mast.
[P: NOW "POOR" AND "WORKING CLASS" ARE INSULTS? PLEASE GET HELP. DS]

Pesach on June 11, 2009 at 11:02 am

I agree with Debbie on the rise of anti-semitism and Muslims. I would argue that both the left & the neo-nazi’s have felt emboldened by the muslims. Witness the rise of leftist anti-semitism. Granted it probably always existed to some extent – but 9/11 made it acceptable to ‘come out’ and feel more comfortable expressing anti-zionist & anti-semitic remarks.

sandy on June 11, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Sandy, since you think there’s been a rise of anti-semitism, maybe you can explain why 2008 was the fourth year in a row that there was a decline in anti-semitic attacks and why such attacks are down 30% from a high in 1994?

Greg on June 11, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Recently I was in East Cleveland and on a mural outside of gas station/liqour store Anti-Semitism was proudly on display. Blaming Israel and Jews for all of America’s ill. Now if that was done to any other race or group of people there would be an outcry. However since in some areas it is o.k. to blame Jews for everything there isn’t an outcry. If this is tolerated why wouldn’t it embolden other to openly support others in their own Anti-Semitism? Jeremiah Wright, Farakhan supports it, the KKK supports it and many Muslims support it. So a crackpot now feels he isn’t alone because society openly talks frankly about Anti-Semism and feels even more righteous in his own acts.
http://picture.vzw.com/mi/404734788_1402259049_0.jpeg?limitsize=345,345&outquality=56&ext=.jpg&border=2,0,0,0

californiascreaming on June 11, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Right. The 9/11 terrorists are stand-ins for all Muslims just like Dr. Tiller’s murderer is a stand in for Christians.
Malice or intellectual laziness? I can’t really decide.

phlebotnum on June 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Liberals are at it again. Dr. Tiller murder was not state sponsored. Dr.Tiller’s murderer was not called on as a jihad or Christian crusade. Sorry we live in a free country and with freedom comes whack jobs. Do you loathe freedom? Do you want state sponsored control of people? Are you afraid of freedom? Guess what I will guarantee with my life there will be isolated incidents of Christian whack jobs who will take it on their own to kill innocents. I am able to live with freedom knowing there are whack jobs. I wouldn’t have it any other way. State sponsored religious killings or religious congregations killing isn’t happening now in Christian faiths. In certain Muslim faiths and mosques it is happening now. Did you see what happened in Pakistan the other day? A Western hotel was car-bombed. A group, I said a group, took responsibility for it. Did a group of Christians take responsibility for Dr. Tiller’s death or this von Brunn shooting? NO!!
As much as liberals want to create a boogy man of Christian terrorists it doesn’t exist. There are those that are White Supremacists and not one group of mainstream Christians support their actions.

californiascreaming on June 11, 2009 at 1:46 pm

I think you might be trying too hard to fit Muslims somewhere into this story to further your own agenda, Debbie. Had this been Mr. von Brunn’s first public act, you would have had a better case for your argument. As its stands, he has served jail time for attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve in the 1980′s, and his own writings clearly show his feelings. This man is not just an anti-Semite (which really, is bad enough on its own), but is a White Supremacist.
def’n white supremacist- a belief that white people are superior to ALL OTHER RACES and racial backgrounds.
Von Brunn makes his ideas about this no secret, from his “Kill the Best Gentiles” to lamenting the “browning of America”. Ironically, he would likely be offended by the idea that Muslims had anything to do with his actions at the Holocaust Museum unless they were targets. A sad statement, but likely true.
This man’s age also is a factor. He’s 88 years old, and by the sound of it, a white supremacist for probably longer than some, if not many posting here, have been alive or old enough to know what that means. I also haven’t seen anything relating to him being a Christian (his website is down, though I’m loath to visit to check this even if it wasn’t). In fact, the post by Aye Chihuahua leads more to the idea that he is ANTI-Christian, as he seems to be anti-just about everything else.
I was really hoping to see in your post a decrying of the continuation of white supremacy and anti-Semitism within the U.S, as well as perhaps a better mention of the security guard who lost his life due to this madman. Instead, you use this as another way to further your own interests about Muslims. I’m kinda disappointed. Von Brunn’s actions are disgusting enough already, leave your own political crap out of it.

LeoMel on June 11, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Good for you for calling out the ignoramus conservatives at HotAir; it does take guts for one conservative to criticize another in 2009. Expect to be subjected to vile attacks on your character, ability, and conservative credentials. Expect to be told to kindly shut up.
While you’re calling out people for anti-Semitism, I wonder if you’ll take a look at Pat Buchanan’s writings. He has been a longtime anti-Semite, and he has not been shy about it. In fact, arch-conservative William F. Buckley took him to task for his views in the National Review in Dec. 1991, writing: “�I find it impossible to defend Pat Buchanan against the charge [of] anti-Semitism…”
More than 15 years later, Buchanan’s still at it. And as we all know, he’s no Muslim.
I find your statement: “our new tolerance for Islam and all of its intolerant extremism” extremely puzzling. I find the opposite to be true. There has been an extreme surge in anti-Muslim sentiment in this country and throughout the world, with even the Pope condemning Islam a violent religion. Now, more than ever, people, particularly those on the right, feel absolutely free to say utterly vile things about all Muslims. On 9/12/01, Ann Coulter, a rightwing Christian, said: “We should invade their [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” Coulter, btw, also wants Jews to be “perfected” by converting to Christianity. Maybe the only “good” thing one can say about Coulter is that she’s an equal-opportunity hater. On another point, Pat Robertson has long advanced the a one-world conspiracy view regarding the Illuminati, a group combining Masons and Jewish bankers (according to Robertson). The white supremacist who shot up the Holocaust Museum also believed in the powers of the Illuminati.
None of this is to say all conservatives are neo-Nazis or anti-Semitic. Or that some Muslims are not anti-Semitic. Both statements would be absolutely absurd. But it would be equally absurd to say that tolerance for Muslims has increased since 9/11, or the just left loves all Muslims, including avowed Muslim terrorists. Some on the left seek to defend peaceful Muslims, especially American Muslims because of the rabid hate-filled anti-Muslim rhetoric since 9/11. Please explain to me why you want to vilify people who are not terrorists? Or do you truly believe that all Muslims are, at heart, terrorists?
[K: YOU MUST BE A NEW READER. I'VE ATTACKED PAT BUCHANAN'S BLATANT ANTI-SEMITISM (AND SEAN VANNITY'S CONSTANT PROMOTION OF IT) ON THIS SITE, REPEATEDLY. TRY GOOGLE-ING MY NAME AND HIS. DS]

katydid on June 11, 2009 at 2:09 pm

I’m still curious how there can be a correlation between our new post-9/11 “tolerance for Islam” and a “rash” of anti-semitic violence when, in fact, anti-semitic violence is down significantly. Down approximately 30% since a high in 1994, and also down since 2000. Correlation generally means that as one variable goes UP, another variable also goes UP. So, you’d expect that anti-semitic violence would have gone UP in this period, not DOWN!

Greg on June 11, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Hey Greg maybe if you post your bull shit one more time you will get and answer. First off if you believe any staticĂ­s provided by law enforcement then you really are gullible. Do you see anything in the paper about killings being hate crimes if it involves white people being killed by black people or Jews killed by black people. Or white people killed by Muslims? No it always race involved when a black person gets killed by a white person never the other way around. Or a Christian being killed by a Muslim no it’s always the other way around. Let me be honest with you I don’t believe a word out any government employee or politician.
So my point is they did not register them as Jewish places. I know you think Obamanation is the next coming of Christ, unfortunately he is just the opposite he is a Muslim devil!

ohboyohboy on June 11, 2009 at 3:57 pm

The ADL isn’t law enforcement. They aren’t government. They’re a Jewish organization. What possible motivation would they have to undercount anti-semitic violence? And why would they have undercounted anti-semitic violence MORE in 2008 than in 2000? Shouldn’t they be undercounting at about the same rate in 2008 as in 2000 or 1994? Make some sense, man!
As to your other point, that they don’t count black on white crime as a hate crime, well, that’s demonstrably wrong. The FBI reports 749 anti-white hate crimes. 57 anti-protestant hate crimes. 61 anti-catholic hate crimes. If you look up one of the most famous Supreme Court case about hate crimes, Wisconsin v. Mitchell, you’ll find black on white hate crime.
Facts are terribly stubborn things, obviously that’s why you have chosen not to know any of them!

Greg on June 11, 2009 at 4:08 pm

Oh thanks Greg I see so many reports of murders of white people in the paper being reported as hate crimes! And as far as the FBI statistics there only as good as the person who records them and picks what column to put them in. Just like filling out census sheets and trying to decide what you are? Again I stand by what I said I don’t believe in anything put out by the government or any other group because just like researches done by various groups or corporations you skew it to be what you want it to be. As far as why they were more back then, I still say many probably went unreported by the victims or were not considered as a crime against a Jew or a Jewish establishment.

ohboyohboy on June 11, 2009 at 4:33 pm

LOL. I found a better table at the FBI for 2007.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2007/table_05.htm
It shows 871 anti-white hate crimes in 2007. Of those hate crimes, 161 were committed by, presumably, self-hating whites. 394 were committed by blacks. 22 were committed by Native Americans or Alaskans. 6 by Asian/Pacific Islanders. 21 by a multi-racial offender or a group. 47 were by an offender of unknown race. 220 were committed by an unknown offender. 17 of the anti-Jewish offenses in 2007 were committed by a black offender. 16 of the anti-Islamic offenses were committed by a black offender. So, yeah, someone’s writing this stuff down.

Greg on June 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm

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