April 26, 2013, - 4:40 pm

Tamerlan Tsarnaev Triple Murders Were ALL Jews Targeted for Religion on 10th Anniv of 9/11 – That’s ISLAM

By Debbie Schlussel

As you’ve probably read, authorities believe that Boston Marathon Islamic terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev is behind the triple murders of three men, including one who was his friend. But what you probably didn’t know is that all three men–who were stabbed to death on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks–were Jews. It appears that this is why they Tsarnaev murdered them. He targeted them because he was a Muslim, and their “crime” was being Jewish. Their stabbed, bloody bodies were found on September 12, 2011. Remember, THIS. IS. ISLAM. . . .

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They Were Jews: Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s Murder Victims, Brendan Mess, Erik Weissman, and Raphael “Rafi” Teken, Zichronam LiVrachah [Blessed Be Their Memories]

Reports identify Brendan H. Mess, 25, Rafael M. Teken, 37, and Erik Weissman, 31, as Jews. And while some FBI agents and Boston PD officials want to tie the murder of Weissman to drugs, that’s a red herring. The one thing the three had in common is their ethnicity and religion: they were Jews.

That Was Then . . .

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This Is Now . . .

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But the agenda of federal, state, and local law enforcement is to make us believe that Muslims don’t target Jews, that we all “Co-Exist” in America in peace (an absolute fraud), and that we should not fear for our lives around Muslims, the way Jews in France do. I know, firsthand, that that is bunk, since I’ve received multiple death threats from Americans, and every single one of those is from a Muslim–some of them convicted in federal court for it. They are not in Riyadh or Cairo or Tehran or Paris or London. They are on American soil.


As a Jew in America, I know that I am a target of Muslims because on a regular basis, Muslims let me know it in very explicit terms. Sadly, most of the self-appointed, unrepresentative “leaders” of the organized Jewish community don’t want you to know that Muslims on American soil kill Jews on American soil, merely because they are Jewish. But it’s happened repeatedly throughout the last several decades. This isn’t the first time. It’s just the latest.

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131 Responses

Debbie,

A Muslim also slashed the throat of a French rabbi and his son as he screamed “Allahu Akbar.”

They’re not moderate there and they’re not moderate here and they all hate Jews.

NormanF on April 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm

Mohammmed Sheikh, Hamza Ali and Suran Uddin were convicted of forced prostitution and forcible rape of a 13 year old girl in a Norwich, UK court:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2315224/Ipswich-sex-slave-case-Judges-fury-jails-trio-men-abducted-girl-13-forced-sex-slave.html

Something to keep in mind the next Jeff Jacoby tells you how sexually chaste Muslims are and how we must respect their “modesty.” Nothing is quite so halal as Muslims enjoying underage girls.

Yup, the Religion Of Decorum, alright!

NormanF on April 26, 2013 at 5:43 pm

    Like Max Baucus and Harry Reid Isalm has managed to change definitions while retaining the patina of being serious about Morality.

    Nik?? al-Mut?ah – short term marriage, better known as a pleasure marriage.

    It is a private and verbal marriage contract between a man and an unmarried woman and there must be declaration and acceptance as in the case of nikah. The length of the contract and the amount of consideration must be specified. There is no minimum or maximum duration for the contract, so it can be as short as a few minutes.

    So really, either a prostitute or simply hooking up, then all is chaste and blessed.

    Just as Nancy Pelosi is a truthful woman with a clean heart.

    jack on April 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm

    And, of course, bung holes.

    Mike Burke on April 27, 2013 at 12:19 pm

I’m sure it will all be a-ok. Easy Target (who married a Mooooslim even thou’ she is so high on the love of Jesus Christ *choke* *cough*) said when the world hears a love song, everyone listens. I should know! I have every one of Joan Baez’s CDs! And why the hell haven’t we been fighting the Jihadis with “Air Supply” CDs?? It’s gotta work.////

At this point in the game, it’s a game of percentages IF you know the basics of Islam and the world today. Jihadis, Mooooslims and Jews don’t mix because of the first two in the equation.

I am interested in this story unraveling. At the time of the murders I had recently moved from now infamous Watertown (which borders Waltham, where these 3 murders took place) but did not hear about it. That is strange to me. Another city borders Waltham that is very heavily Jewish populated (very high income, Watertown is below that and Waltham is very working class and is not as tony as Watertown or the other town) so it is strange that 3 Jewish fellas being murdered was NOT a major news story.

I know many fools don’t wanna see how a follows b follows c, but it’s all there. And DS summarizes it nicely when she reminds us This.Is Islam. Because it is.

Like I said, I now know Boston is a hot bed of bad, clandestine, Islamic sleeper-cell activity. I had forgotten about the Jihadi Tarek Mehanna of Sudbury but was reminded when I read an article on a very scary Mosque in Cambridge that was the Mosque of all three and other well known Jihadis in the Boston area. The Islamic Society of Cambridge Mosque.

Boston doesn’t even have a clue.

Skunky on April 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    Your absolutely right Skunky, Boston doesn’t have a clue.

    sharon on April 27, 2013 at 12:07 am

Are you saying he didn’t know that his “best friend” was Jewish? Tsarnaev and Mess worked out together at his gym and Tsarnaev introduced Mess to the gym owner as his best friend according to the Boston Globe. Also, wasn’t Weissman a drug dealer? Debbie, You should have come to the realization that the feds and the local police have given out way too much false information about the circumstances surrounding these two accused terrorists. I just wish more people would devote their energies toward fact-checking the ever-changing narrative being fed to us about these two in an effort to demonize them without any discernment of those peddling the dope.

Gary Welsh on April 26, 2013 at 7:50 pm

    Gary Welsh, where is your scary-good blog that will convince us of your point of view? Please post it so we can look at your research and conclusions too.

    Skunky on April 26, 2013 at 9:09 pm

Could anything else be expected from these Euro/Arab Islamists? I actually feel sympathy now for the Russians who have had to deal with these Islamo-turds for generations now. Don’t ever forget the children of Beslan who were slaughtered by these Euro hybrids either.

Canadian maniac on April 26, 2013 at 7:51 pm

Oh and BTW, the lame-stream media left out of their coverage of the Beslan massacre the fact that the children were raped and sexually mutilated before they were murdered. Let that sink in…

Canadian maniac on April 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

Murder, kidnapping, prostitution, rape, incest, theft, lying and what have you – nothing felonious is beneath the bounds of Islam.

NormanF on April 26, 2013 at 8:42 pm

Three Jewish guys murdered on the 10th anniversary of 9-11, lots of cash left untouched and NOOOOOOBODY thought there might be a connection? Wasn’t it known that Tsarnaev was an acuaintance of theirs? Good grief!

Sean M on April 26, 2013 at 9:25 pm

The three victims were athletic. I think more than one person committed the murders. It looks likely to me that an accomplice(s) held the others while each was taken to a different room and murdered.

It is thought the victims knew their murderers. Why would they be upset about the drug dealing? The one theory proposed that Tamerlan was upset that his brother was being supplied marijuana seems plausible.

I hope the police have some physical evidence.

Visteo on April 26, 2013 at 9:35 pm

Skunky, I’ve blogged a lot over the last week raising questions about the narrative. I don’t know about you, but I watched the live coverage of the Watertown shootout being streamed live by the local Boston affiliates. It honestly looked like the media was on the scene of a movie set where a dramatic thriller scene was being filmed. Most of the cops didn’t even act like there was any sense of urgency. There was all this talk about how they had supposedly taken the cops on a wild chase and tossed hand grenades out the window at the pursuing cops. I’ve not heard a single witness say they saw this happen. There was supposedly this massive shootout with high-powered assault weapons and bombs being tossed at police. It turns out the suspects had just one 9 mm handgun in their possession; I’m not convinced about the bombs. Several of the witnesses claim they heard no explosions; only the sound of gunshots. They claim Tamerlan was run over and killed by his brother, but the doctor said his body was riddled with bullets. The local TV cameramen were allowed to videotape the suspect taken into custody at the scene of the shootout, except that guy obviously had not been shot multiple times and run over by his brother as police claimed. Wrong guy, police later claim. We see some handcuffed, naked guy being put into a police car the reporters told us was the suspect they took into custody, who looked remarkably similar to Tamerlan. Wrong guy, police later claim–since we now know the only suspect taken into custody at that time was Tamerlan’s corpse, or so we’re told. We were told the fleeing brother was armed with high-powered guns and bombs. He supposedly exchanged gunfire with cops for an hour before turning one of his guns on himself. We later learned that when he was found curled up in the boat, he was unarmed. He had no guns, no explosives, no nothing on him. They told us he was in critical condition from the life-threatening wound to his neck and the loss of blood he suffered from a gunshot wound to his leg the night before. Yet he’s supposedly communicating to police and offering a confession just a few short days later. I’ve also been reading about this account given by the so-called carjacking victim who wants to remain anonymous. Conveniently, he’s a Chinese national who says he may have been spared because he’s a foreigner. He’s got this story about pulling his brand new Mercedes SUV over to send a text message to his roommate’s boyfriend when Tamerlan walked up to his locked car and tapped on the passenger side window and says he has a gun. Rather than speed off, he unlocks the door and lets him in and follows all of his commands. He first claimed he was later dropped off at a gas station, but later changed his story to claim he made a harrowing escape when they stopped for gas. The suspects had supposedly just gunned down a police officer and bragged to him about doing it, as well as the bombing, and just threw in that they were on their way to New York to do some more bombing. Right after this happens, we see surveillance video showing Tamerlan walking up to pay for the gas as his brother is exiting the gas station with red bull, Doritos and other snacks in his hands. Well, he didn’t actually hear them say that they were going to New York to do some bombing in so many words because they were speaking in Russian; he just heard them say something about Manhattan and put two and two together in between their English conversations about women, CD players and telling him how much they liked his Mercedes. Maybe some people are gullible enough to buy this load of crap being fed to us, but I find it to be little more than a very amateurishly-written movie script at this point.

Gary Welsh on April 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm

    Gary Welsh, let me be the 1st to introduce you to a paragraph.

    Paragraph, this is Gary Welsh. Please acquaint him to how you make reading a much easier endeavor. Especially for unspectacular blabbermouths.

    Gary, where is your blog? Please post it. You forgot to along with forgetting paragraphs.

    Skunky on April 26, 2013 at 10:02 pm

      It looks like Gary had an amphetamine outburst with that load he typed.

      Worry01 on April 26, 2013 at 10:59 pm

      Exactly. Gary is another passionate ignoramus.

      samurai on April 28, 2013 at 1:42 am

    Gary, if this were scripted, Jockhair would have been killed in the boat, a gun would have been found (planted), no police officers would have been wounded and we wouldn’t have homeowner images of the shoot-out. No Gary, this is not a nice and neat well-scripted story. When a story is emerging real-time, sometimes the leads from supposed eyewitnesses and anonymous sources are not reliable. The facts work themselves out.

    Are you one of those that believes there were bombs in the World Trade Center and doesn’t believe in the Holocaust?

    Visteo on April 27, 2013 at 4:28 pm

    Gary,
    That’s the best analysis about the event I’ve ever read.

    I also wonder about the fact that there were hundreds of rounds fired,but noone has come forward to show anyplace where any rounds went.
    No cars with bullet holes
    No broken glass
    No homes with bullet holes
    Nothing
    All these rounds popped off and NOTHING was hit?
    Really?

    ebayer on April 27, 2013 at 5:15 pm

What is most astounding is that the Boston “MusliMonsters” are getting such good press everywhere in America, despite their cold-blood, ruthless mayhem. Even Tom Brokaw seems to be sympathizing with these brazen killers.

Just today Erin Burnette had on CNN show a Muslim who said that these Muslim killers were involved “in a trans-national cause,” and Erin commended him on his perspicacity.

Muslims in America have gotten way out of control since Bush II declared within days of 911 attacks that Islam is a “religion of peace.” And as for B Hussein O, the stealth Muslim in the White House, he has proven to be America’s worst nightmare. The day he was re-elected, was the America died. Now we are like any other debt-ridden country in the third world.

BroncOhBummer on April 26, 2013 at 10:57 pm

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”… Winston Churchill

And so it goes, through time & memoriam. The “useful idiots” of this country will STILL continue to turn to the “blame America/Israel first” crowd. Can anyone tell me why someone like myself, who’s now 34 & READ the Koran as part of a poly-sci class IN 1997, understands what “The Religion of Pieces” is all about?

Granted, I come from a military family, & remember, VIVIDLY, my Dad having to check under his car every moring when we lived in Lisbon during the mid 80’s. And it sure as hell wasn’t Catholic, Protestant or Jews whom would ever be THOUGHT of as capable/REMOTELY probableof doing such things. When will people realize what Jefferson understood all those years ago about Islam?! Oh, that’s right. They don’t teach ANYTHING about it in school.

These jihadi schmucks & their “useful idiots” here in the US will be the cause of many more deaths. Until enough people have the testicular fortitude to stand up & say, “ENOUGH WHITEWASHING,” this crap will continue. And it saddens me to NO END!

Cicero's Ghost (NB) on April 27, 2013 at 1:29 am

I was waiting for Debbie to bring all this up – the three murdered Jewish Boston resident guys, murdered on 9-11 and the fact that their murders were never solved, and that the one was “best friends” with Tsarnaev. The fact that this story is being glossed over by the idiotic MSM is scandalous but par for the course. Tsarnaev started acting strangely, was taking Islam very seriously at about the time of the triple murders, becoming increasingly religious. Those who knew both Tsarnaev and Mess were shocked Tsarnaev was not at the funeral of Mess’s and just drifted off.

American Jews are as likely to be the last people in the US to know or care about these triple murders, they will pay no mind. And things are just going to get worse and worse.

Larry in Tel Aviv on April 27, 2013 at 2:05 am

…one more posting, which is a little eyebrow-raising if true:

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2013/04/saudi-person-of-interest-in-boston.html

Nick Fury on April 27, 2013 at 5:01 am

“what you probably didn’t know is that all three men–who were stabbed to death on the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 Islamic terrorist attacks–were Jews”

Yes I did know about it because I’ve been following the story but don’t worry because as Barney Frank and friends love to point out bible bashing Americans are just as bad.

Aren’t you glad BO leader of the free world while incompetent in every other respect at least knows how to press the button and drone zap undesirables wherever they may be.

You see he’s really still on our side because he loves those drones.

I know I’m sleeping better at night just thinking about it.

Yay Barney, Barney, Barney he’s our man,
Yay idiot progressive Republicans,
Yay idiotic socially conservative Democrat dhimmis that love to whine about FOX news.
Yay.
You don’t get first prize but you do get the consolation prize…
You guessed it…
More drones.

Frankz on April 27, 2013 at 5:29 am

If this is the case then it would be pretty likely that Tsarnaev’s muslima would be an accessory after the fact.

Bronson on April 27, 2013 at 7:04 am

It is not just muslims. In the last fifteen years or so, there has also been an up swelling in anti-Semitism from people of the Christian faith. This anti-Semitism on the part of Christians might be blatant, such as outright violence or discriminatory practices in the work place, or subtle, such as the supporting and reaching out to muslims. The support that Christians provide to the “Palestinians,” and Christians’ attempts in the last few years to paint the Israelis as Nazis are nothing more than thinly veiled hatred against Jews.

King David on April 27, 2013 at 9:11 am

    King David, it would be helpful if you sited some sources.

    Also, I wonder why you would feel it’s necessary to ameliorate the anti-semitism of Moooooslims, which is legion even thou’ much of it is hidden.

    Skunky on April 27, 2013 at 10:19 am

    I know that many denominations teach replacement theology, meaning God has substituted Christians for Jewish folks. Of course, that is utterly RIDICULOUS.

    I also know that a true Christian loves the Jewish people.

    I also know that global anti semitism is growing and that is pure jealously of what Hebrews have accomplished historically.

    I don’t see how you draw your conclusions from these facts :(

    As goes Israel, so goes the World... on April 27, 2013 at 1:30 pm

    King David, you are no King David. How about the leading role nominal Jews in Israel continue to play propping up the Fakestinians?

    US Christians have never led a pogrom. The same cannot be said for the Israeli government.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 2:24 pm

King David,

Christian discrimination against Jews in the workplace? Huh?
While I may partially agree with you on some things, what is the percentage of Christians, relative to their percentage of the population, in Ivy League universities? Compare that with the percentage of Jewish enrollment. How about Christian vs Jewish professors? How about Christian vs Jewish representation in the legal and medical professions? How about the overt Christian hatred from the ACLU and ADL?

It works both ways my friend. Jews have done fantastically well in the US considering they only make up 2% of the population.

Also, and I don’t want to hit this too hard, but there are VERY few Michael Savages and Debbie Schlussels out there in the Jewish community. Most are Lefties working against both Christian AND Jewish interests.

Iron Man on April 27, 2013 at 9:57 am

    It’s subtle. Iron Man but it happens. My husband applied for a job as a teacher in the Tampa schools, actually HIllsboro Co. five years ago. He was wearing a kippa and they asked him if being there for extra curricular activities on Friday night and Saturday would be a problem/ He said yes, and they said, no job. What happened to reasonable accommodation?
    At other jobs he applied for, not teaching, he was told he’d have to “shift bid” and they couldn’t accommodate his religious needs because they “had other Jewish employees who never asked for the time off. The kicker was that EEOC refused to investigate for religious reasons.

    I do want to say that I don’t see King David ameliorating Muslim anti-semitism by saying it ALSO comes from Christians and I also want to mention that most Jews really do not split hairs on the term “Christian.” A “Christian” is someone who follows Jesus, and by that, I mean someone who participates in a church that teaches him, not in the “born again” sense. We believe it’s all ERROR so we don’t make the distinction that Evangelicals are “christians” but Catholics aren’t. So. I think King David is basically calling anyone, Evangelical or nominal member of any church, including Unitarian Universalist, Mormon, Christian Sci, JW or whatever, “Christian.”

    Italkit on April 27, 2013 at 5:29 pm

      There are many who believe Judaism is in ERROR. Yawn. Cry me a river.

      Janet L on April 28, 2013 at 2:16 pm

        Janet, exactly. And Jews believe Christians are in error. But neither Jews nor Christians have much to worry regarding terrorism from the other.

        skzion on April 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm

And yes I know there are some flaming Leftoid Christians too. Especially in some leadership positions trying to reach out to illegal aliens, Islam, and etc.

Dummies to be sure.

Iron Man on April 27, 2013 at 10:03 am

Of course he killed them. He went from room to room and slashed their throats Muslim fashion.Slashing throats is a Muslim trade.
And he did it because they were Jews.Muslim hate Jews.

Cassandra Clearwater on April 27, 2013 at 10:40 am

Skunky: I do not need to cite any sources, as I am the source. Any Jew with open eyes and an open mind can relate to what I said. As far as ameliorating muslim anti-Semitism, I do no such thing, I simply point out that there another source of similar actions in another set of the populace.

Iron Man: Seriously? In an attempt to discredit my statement you use a narrow example of where Jews have held sway for eons—higher education, law, and medicine. I am surprised that you also did not cite jewelers, bankers, pawn shops, and kosher bakeries in your response.

King David on April 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    No sources? Yawn.

    Worry01 on April 27, 2013 at 8:29 pm

    Oh no, King David, you are NOT gonna get away with that on a thread that rightly alludes to Mooooslim anti-semitism ( that is baked in the cake for Islam) and glide over it to crap on about Christian anti-semitism.

    I would never say that Christian anti-semitism does not exist but when we are talking about specific Mooooslim anti-semitism and you wanna pop up and point a finger to Christian anti-semitism you’re walking on the fighting side of me. Especially as a passionate Zionist who would defend Israel and Jews more than JINOS and KAPOS.

    Just because your avatar didn’t show up doesn’t mean I don’t remember you. I remember your avatar and when you posted, your stance was reliably MODERATE.

    So just come out and say what you wanna say, ok?

    Skunky on April 27, 2013 at 9:10 pm

@King David

If you can’t find a source here’s one for you.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/04/25/uk-politician-claims-jews-engineered-holocaust-to-guilt-world-into-establishing-israel/

If you’re referring to general antisemitism amongst people of Christian heritage then this is no surprise to anybody and in no way changes the fact that while these types of people may be facilitators but they in no way need to be the perpetrators.

Muslims tie up that little detail for them.

Sometimes being even handed is also to willfully miss the issue at hand.

Frankz on April 27, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    You are correct about Islam but think on these things:
    The writings of Iranaeus, Chrysostom, Augustine, et alii.
    The Crusades
    The British pogroms under Edward II
    The Inquisition
    Martin Luther (preached systematized genocide against Jews)
    The Cossack pogroms and Tsarist oppressions
    The Holocaust
    There are more I’m sure but none of these were perpetrated by Muslims, nor were they merely facilitated by Christians. They were totally and fully conceived and carried out by Christians, sometimes with the help of Muslims, as with the Holocaust.

    Italkit on April 27, 2013 at 5:37 pm

      Well, you know where Israel is. Dont let the door hit ya’.

      Janet L on April 28, 2013 at 2:09 pm

Finaly the West is awakening up to the realities of Moslems and Islam. Thank God

G. R. Scharoubim on April 27, 2013 at 2:02 pm

    With all respect, GR: the West just stirred up from its slumber, grunted, smacked the offender and went back into hibernation.

    This should have been dealt with way back in the 1200s, 1300s, 1400s – Hell, there had been many opportunities to correct and contain Islamic terror, but they were all derailed by greed, arrogance, national/racial pride, cowardice and stupidity on the part of the Crusaders.

    So, might as well lock and load while you can – the End Times are yet to come.

    The Reverend Jacques on April 27, 2013 at 2:30 pm

Debbie, LEAD THE WAY, COME HOME and bring American Jews with you. You can write your other stuff from here and you don’t need garbage movie reviews to live on.

Italkit on April 27, 2013 at 2:25 pm

    Yes, Italkit, we Jews should certainly move from a democratic republic with a growing Muslim problem to an oligarchy with a massive Muslim problem and a government second to none in pandering to Muslims.

    I, for one, would look forward to distrusting my fellow citizens in a quasi-police-state where I have no chance ever to improve things, and where I would have neither a first nor a second amendment.

    Thanks for looking out for us.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 12:50 am

      skion, I AM INDEED looking out for all of you, idiots tho you may all be. The First of all, I do not put my trust or faith in men and governments of men. I don’t care if they are oligarchies or supposed democracies. As a poli-sci wonk you should know that the US is supposed to be a Republic but it still doesn’t get my faith vote. israel still has a MAJORITY JEWISH population and the difference between us and you is that we UNDERSTAND the Muslim mindset. Americans are only waking up to it and I think it may be too late. They are still shaking off the numbness of slumber. Jews are still better off here than there and always will be.

      Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 6:11 am

    Yes and PLEASE take the sewer peddlers from Hollywood and the porn industry and academia who have poisoned what remains of the Christian West with you. PLEASE DO!

    Janet L on April 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm

      You want them in Israel? That’s a nice Christian Love of Israel and the Jews, Janet. Thank you. The truth always comes out.

      Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      I’m afraid Janet L. is one anti-Semitic Christian.

      Janet, darling, why are you on a site run by a Jew and with many Jewish participants? You’re more of a Stormfront gal.

      Oh, and when Hollywood was in its Jewish heyday, Hollywood was at its best.

      I wonder, though, about all that foreign porn made in Russia and Eastern Europe. Not too many Joooos there, huh?

      skzion on April 28, 2013 at 6:51 pm

DS–
I submitted a comment with a grevious error. I accidently put my e-mail address in the name slot. PLEASE, do not post that as the name! I would rather have the comment not posted at all. Big Oops!
—Thank you!

Lee on April 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm

When people tell me “Jews are just as bad as Muslims” which I do hear in Texas once in a while, I simply look them in the eye and tell them that they don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. I don’t blink and that’s usually the end of an otherwise friendly conversation.

Learn how to protect yourselves in armed and unarmed combat. (Apologies for harping on that all the time, but I’m very serious. Our lives are at risk every day and the world is getting more dangerous by the minute. Have a plan. Always be aware of your surroundings and the people in it/them. Before you get in or out of your car, do a 360. Do a 360 once in a while just for the hell of it no matter where you are or what you’re doing. Trust your gut, your instincts, your feelings. If you’re armed, practice loading and unloading, cocking, safety on/off your gun until you can do it in the dark in a few seconds. Make it an unconscious reaction. Practice shooting, practice handling it until it’s a part of your body.)

Pray Hard on April 27, 2013 at 5:33 pm

    I have an Orthodox rabbi friend who used to teach martial arts. I’m not sure exactly what he does now because he says he does not teach “self defense” but how to kill because when you’re threatened as you describe, it’s either the other guy or you. He is very selective whom he trusts to teach this knowledge to and I don’t know his specific techniques.

    Italkit on April 27, 2013 at 5:41 pm

    Pray Hard, your approach is more Jewish than you know. You pray as if you weren’t packing heat, and you pack heat as if you didn’t pray.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 11:24 am

Italkit, I believe you have inadventently made the case for antisemites. Have you ever read the book HITLER’S TABLE TALK? If so, you would know that Hitler was a pagan who planned to exterminate Christians next.

Incidentally, one of the creepy things about Mein Kamph is when Hitler talks about all Jews as the Jew, as if they were all one organism. I am thankful that you do not speak for all Jews. I hope you will make the same allowance for Christians and not blame all Christians for what some have done.

One of the greatest evils of the last century was Bolshevism. I hope you don’t try to blame that on Christians.

The Seeker on April 27, 2013 at 7:49 pm

    Seeker, Italkit wants validation for her move to Israel, as do a substantial percentage of the Americans Jews who have moved there.

    The biggest mass-murderer of Jews in the West was a pagan sympathetic to Norse gods and Muslims. In the Dar al-Islam, however, every Jew is endangered every moment. One doesn’t have to twist Mo’s teachings to kill Jews in Islam, as Mo encourages it.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 1:02 am

      Ha! After all these years, I got to you, didn’t I, sk? This is the first time you’ve attacked me ad hominem that I can recall. I must be making progress. I don’t need validation for my decision to move here. I am flourishing. I am free for the first time in my life. And what is the Dar-al-Islam? You think it’s limited to the Middle East? WAKE UP! You’re living in it but I’m not. Hashem hasn’t forsaken us yet and He’s not planning to any time soon. Our leaders do what they want but they only think they’re in control.

      Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 6:15 am

        Actually Italkit, you and I have a history of considerable verbal violence, largely spurred by your history of ad hominem attacks.

        Incidentally, you “got to me” because you endangered half of world Jewry by urging us into the fire. You’re also WAY out of line in continuing to proclaim how Jews as a collectivity “feel” about Christians.

        I have no patience for Inquisitors and the like, as I have shown here. But I have no intention of dividing our coalition against Islam because of a few anti-Semitic Christians still around today.

        Finally, as I’ve said more than once, the Jews of Israel, in failing to perform the first three mitzvot (commandments) upon returning to the Land, are in the most extreme violation of Halacha (Jewish law). Now you are in a situation of milchemet mitzva (defensive holy war) because of your failure to kill or expel your Muslims at the founding of modern Israel, but you do not prosecute that war–another terrible sin. Then after all this, you rely on Hashem to save you via a miracle–an even more terrible sin.

        skzion on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 am

        PS, Italkit, I do not live in the Dar al-Islam; I live in the Dar al-Harb, as do you.

        skzion on April 28, 2013 at 11:34 am

        You stay classy with your Christian hatred Italkit. We’re used to it and do consider the source.

        Janet L on April 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm

          Janet are you a Christian or a Jew? I don’t understand that last comment at all. Are you saying I hate Christians or do you think I’m a Christian Jew hater?

          I was not stating my opinion I was explaining how many Jews feel about Christians. Wow! Reading is fundamental. If you can’t parse a sentence, you shouldn’t be commenting. If you don’t want to believe it regardless of which side you fall on, that’s your problem. It happens to be true.

          Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm

          I wish Janet and Italkit would get a room. Far away from us.

          skzion on April 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm

    I didn’t have to read that book, I know all that and in fact among the 16,000,000 he murdered were many Evangelical Christians. NO I DON’T lump all Christians together but most Jews do. Actually we Jews are “one organism” but it’s a “spiritual” organism and if we would understand that, we’d stop attacking each other the way skzion just did me.

    Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 6:06 am

      Then you’re in a lot of trouble, Italkit, if Jews are ‘one organism’.

      I certainly would not want the Libtard, self-hating, Palestinian-siding (and I have NEVER been!), Israel- hating, lets-all-love-the-Moooooslims Jews attached to my organism.

      You’re in trouble before you even move if that is so. You got an enemy right in the core of the object.

      Christians like me see the obvious truth, love Israel, love the Jews, despise the Moooooslims for their anti-semitism and see them as the devils they are (blaming the Jews and trying to take all the Jews have built on). Christians like me will not booby trap and sully the organism like many so-called Jews (JINOS, KAPOS) will.

      THAT is what you need to see. And clearly.

      Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm

        Skunky, I KNOW that and I believe it but damn it! Why can’t Americans be objective? Everything is NOT a personal opinion or belief. I am EXPLAINING. Y’all need to step back and get some objectivity when people talk to you. And yaa, Skunky, the body is contaminated and maybe there are cancers to be cut out but there is a collective consciousness among Jews. Have you not seen how tens of thousands of “strangers” come out when one of us is murdered? There’s a lot of gray between a Meir Kahane follower and a kapo. Lots of people are misinformed and misguided by their rabbis but that does not make them kapos. Hashem will remove those from our midst and while the Sodomite sits and interprets Torah for this blog, he is both right and wrong. No one is relying on miracles but no one who has the understanding of Torah most men are fed in Yeshiva is going to raise their hands in a civil war against another Jew who might yet be redeemable. He’s also wrong in leaning only on Torah because the TaNaKh has this interesting section called Nevi’im or Prophets and there is NOTHING in it that talks about Jews rising up in the End of Days against our own government. In fact The Maccabean Rebellion isn’t even in the “Bible.”
        Do not take Torah from someone who lives a life in violation of it.

        Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm

      Yes, Italkit doesn’t need to read a book. She intuits her knowledge from the aether.

      skzion on April 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm

    Seeker, I agree about Bolshevism. Of course I don’t think they were Christians and they would have denied the connection themselves. I was simply stating how the average Jew, whose experiences with Christians, even “good” Evangelicals has been less than positive has a dirty lens regarding Christianity. Most recently, Christians, pretending to be Jewish have infiltrated Israel for the purposes of missionizing. They come here pretending love while talking Rapture, one of the most anti-semitic doctrines to come thru the church, and telling us we’re headed to hell without Jesus. here’s a clue, we don’t believe in “hell” and we don’t believe God had a son. So if you want to shower us with blessings to show the love of your god, I thank you, just cut the strings that are attached.
    BTW most Jews would say that Hitler was a Catholic, ergo a “christian.” When one enters a death camp that has a sign proclaiming ” we do this in the name of ‘Christ'” it’s kinda hard to not feel that way, especially under the burden of historical experience.

    Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 6:22 am

      I think it’s cute that people on this thread wanna crap on about Christianity when the thread asks the question of did a usual suspect (a Moooooooslim) have a hand in the murderous death of three Jews? Wicked cute! :|

      Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 11:41 am

        I was just going to comment on that very point, Skunky.

        skzion on April 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm

        Um, it was you and your sodomite buddy who jumped on King David.

        Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:38 pm

          Italkit, I am so annoyed you called Skzion a sodomite. Have you been chillin’ with a certain cha-cha-cha-chimpanzee lately? Oy vey! I think you knew you were losin’ so there is the ad hominem you accused Skzion of but was not reality. Projection can be ugly.

          You bet I jumped on your “moderate” pal King David. I still wanna know why he was taking Christians and smearing their faces in feces when Mooooslims are the ones who have the most ragin’ Jew hatred and are actually the subject of this very thread.

          Italkit, you have posted you don’t like my style (I accept that and personally don’t care) but how you treated Skzion is worse than anyone I gave it to. At least I make sure I have a good villain. You get competitive (it’s hard to be a Mensa genius I reckon…) and sometimes it makes your thought process go haywire.

          I really hope you apologize to Skzion. I will wait for it and will judge you accordingly by if you do or not from now on.

          Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm

          Skunky, don’t hold your breath for Italkit’s apology. She is an unpleasant person who will always find a way of justifying her unpleasantness. When her behavior gets bad enough, she changes her screen name.

          skzion on April 29, 2013 at 4:01 pm

I wonder if they had arguments like this in Mecca before they fell to Islam.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Frank, I guarantee it! Disputation is a time honored Jewish way of learning. What is not acceptable is to personally attack a fellow Jew or Israel in front of Gentiles, no matter how friendly they seem.

    Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 9:50 am

      Italkit, you regularly attack fellow Jews here in very personal terms.

      I wasn’t even attacking you personally; I was commenting on the generally annoying American citizens who utter the same cliches, using you as an example.

      As for attacking Israel, I am not required to smile sweetly when a political system endangers half the world’s Jews. I do not badmouth the Land or the Nation; I tell the truth about the political elites and the political system.

      skzion on April 28, 2013 at 11:20 am

        I’ll tell you what, Skzion, Italkit is attacking Christians on this thread. (Along with her buddy “moderate” King David).

        And I read what you wrote a few times and saw NO ad hominem. Funny how sometimes we see what we wanna see even it is not really there.

        Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 11:47 am

          Skunky, you saw no ad hominem because there wasn’t one.

          There’s a annoying habit among Americans who left the US for Israel to parrot Rabbi Kahane’s great concern about anti-Semitism in America. This would be unnecessary if Israel were a more appealing place to live. Since it’s not, relative to the US, fear-mongering is used.

          Kahane was usually right, but he was no prophet. I expect that even he could not have imagined that some vestigial anti-Semitism in America would be erased and that Israel would prove invulnerable to reform. (Near the end of his life, he showed support for a Jewish state (Medinat Yehuda) alongside the Israeli one (Medinat Israel). I think his assassination, officially by a Muslim, occurred under suspicious circumstances.)

          skzion on April 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

          Wow, Skunky, I didn’t think you’d stoop so low. You know damn well I am not “attacking” Christians. If someone here can’t make an objective expostulation of a situation that was brought up, then you’re the ones in trouble. I thought you had a better perspective than to see what I wrote as an “attack” Some serious paranoia going on here if that’s true.

          Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm

          Italkit, now you’re frontin’. I’m not sure why.

          You even pointed out it was me (and my “sodomite” buddy) who had a go at King David. You bet. And you are the one who bolstered “moderate” King David’s (he of the “king card” missing avatar!) anti-Christian (in the face of Moooooslim anti-Semitism) point of view.

          Do not act shocked when I am defending a point of view I initiated or counter-attacked. You know I don’t have a go at you (and I always use restraint with you) unless you say something I think is ludicrous.

          IF you indeed made a mistake in your initial siding with “King David” by all means you can re-explain your position for clarity but PLEASE don’t act wounded and surprised when you took a step in ‘you had better be able to defend your position’ land!

          You and David offended many Christians here who have our Jewish friend’s and Israel’s back. And we always will because it is indeed RIGHT 100% no matter how you slice it and also God’s will.

          Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Frankz, I wonder if they had arguments like this in Eretz Israel before the Temples were destroyed.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm

Skzion, I am convinced by what you wrote here…

skzion on April 28, 2013 at 12:50 am

Italkit, I only WISH Americans were walking up to Islam. I’m as wide awake as you can get and I am DEFINITELY not seeing it. So much so it troubles me greatly. “Boston Strong” *cough*hack*cough*cough* as I am! ///

We are not even close to waking up. What a tragedy after 9/11 it is like this. In fact, I am more fearful than ever.

Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Yaa, I totally agree and that’s why I wrote that Jews will be better in Israel. I’m not saying it’s going to be kunbayah, It’s going to be hell on earth for a while but it’s where we’re told to be. If we have it unimaginably bad, think how it will be for the rest of you. Read your Apocalypse of John if you really think Jews are going to get the worst of it.

    Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:44 pm

@Skunky I think you’re right, there was a time something like the Boston attack would have pulled America together. Now it seems only to galvanize people into assuming politically correct stances. The Islamo fascists see this. They have been waiting a long time.

@Italkit
We are all together now whether we like it or not or even know it or not.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 10:43 am

There should’ve never been any doubts as to how the murders were handled sloppily. What a damn shame so many innocent victims are and will be disregarded due to the system always erring on the side of the scum bags. Even at this point these three Jewish men are not being given justice? Their families are still waiting? I never thought I would see such naked organized aggression against the Jewish people again as was seen in the holocaust, but here we are.

samurai on April 28, 2013 at 10:52 am

@Samurai
Yes unfortunately the multiculturalism that many Jews saw as their salvation is now their undoing because it presupposes a civil society. Many Jews entirely unable to see, recognize or even take seriously this limitation or begin to think outside its confines.

Islam has demonstrated quite clearly that its ideas about what constitutes a civil society are quite peculiar to it and it alone.
This is true even to the extent that they require their own law.
It is no accident that they demand Sharia.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 11:03 am

    That is unfortunately true to a large extent, Frank. The Jews read garbage like Anne Frank’s diary and swoon at how “wonderful” this dopey, Hollywood smitten girl was to believe that “all people are basically good.” You’re going to be a nation of Anne Franks and that includes too many Jews like skzion who still believe it.

    Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm

The main tactic employed by Islamo fascists today is brinkmanship.
This tactic was also employed by Hitler.

“This maneuver of pushing a situation with the opponent to the brink succeeds by forcing the opponent to back down and make concessions.”

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 11:25 am

Not at great fan of Putin but at least he knows how stupid we look in the eyes of the Islamic world.

http://youtu.be/RxB4SOsh1G8

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 11:41 am

..what’s that ‘fishy’ smell?:

oh yeah…Uncle Ruslan was married to the daughter of CIA Kabul station chief:

http://www.progressivepress.net/the-tale-of-uncle-tsarnaev-cia-chief-graham-fuller-and-a-turkish-islamist-who-lives-in-usa/

Nick Fury on April 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm

Thanks Nick,
You’re probably aware of this but here you can see why Zubeidat Tsarnaeva might use her son’s death as just another opportunity to ride her jihadi broomstick.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/russia_caught_boston_bomber_mother_BqmHvvA8mnztmfsJXYSZjP

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 1:35 pm

And now for some definitions:

Liberal Muslim: Hate Jews especially and non-Muslims in general. Does not mind when they are killed (20%)

Average Muslim: Hate Jews especially and non-Muslims in general. Happy when they are killed (50%)

Consevative Muslim: Hate Jews especially and non-Muslims in general. Ready to participate in killing them (20%)

Jihadist Muslim: Hate Jews especially and non-Muslims in general. Kills them any chance he got (10%)

Igot on April 28, 2013 at 2:25 pm

I’m just going to say something here because you all misunderstood my intentions so egregiously. I’m not laying blame, maybe it was my fault but nonetheless you all are wrong about my feelings about Christians and Christianity.
First of all I stand by my statements regarding the feelings of many Jews one reason being that Jews do NOT understand true Christianity for the simple reason they don’t learn about it, the way you guys study Judaism. Rabbis tell Jews to not even pronounce the name of Jesus let alone read the NT so they don’t.
Well, guess what? I did. I went to Catholic schools for all but 3 years including part of my college years, was married to a Catholic and had many questions because I was not raised in a particularly “Jewish” home.
When I got divorced and moved to the South, I met many wonderful Evangelicals. It was because of them that I FOUND my Jewishness. I am NOT a Messianic but I was introduced to the concept and thought I might be my answer to my Crisis of Faith. It wasn’t but I didn’t get to that point without much study of both religions. This has all happened since I turned 40 so it is still a work in progress. I do firmly believe that there are flaws in Christian theology that cannot be reconciled and that Judaism is the core and true religion for Jews. I am conflicted about the Noachide movement because I think something within man longs for ritual and a liturgical means of communicating with Hashem. I also think people want to be guided by teachers who can explain how to live according to a set of laws. If they didn’t, I doubt Islam would be so successful.

What disturbs me about this thread is not that I was flamed, although that’s never pleasant but that there is such a lack of critical thinking and objectivity about the words someone writes. Absent body language and tonal nuance, it is easy to be misunderstood but for a group that by and large grasps concepts well, you really get nutso one on one. You don’t like it when the trolls come on here an criticize you for a lack of credibility but you should listen. If your beliefs have any validity, you can do far better in discussing them and arguing them than attacking personally and expecting everyone to walk on eggshells.

Italkit on April 28, 2013 at 6:13 pm

    Italkit, I don’t know why you feel flamed. Maybe you feel regret that you sided up with the sneaky King David (I happen to remember his posts. I am sure most of you don’t. Skzion may but only because we are annoyed by virtually the same things…) and are now sorry. I will believe that if it’s true.

    I have much, much restraint when it comes to my religion (I’m not offended easily by those who don’t like it). I truly believe in the freedom of thought. But King David took it too far in my opinion and I wanted to expose it. Plus, he is sneaky and I believe has ulterior motives (as most fakers on here do).

    You said…

    “I do firmly believe that there are flaws in Christian theology that cannot be reconciled and that Judaism is the core and true religion for Jews.”

    I have ZERO problem with that. As a Jew, I would only expect that from you. As a Christian WE OURSELVES struggle with our theology. And most of all, we Christians are also supposed to believe we are the one true religion and way to God. Just as you do with your religion. And I would not expect anything else from you (or any other legitimate religion…and that does not include Islam, Scientology or VooDoo or sicko Santeria in IMHO).

    I know how obnoxious people feel that Christians are when they proselytize BUT that is what Christians are suppose to do. Now, I don’t like that at all (that we gotta proselytize) but in being like that I am the one doubting God’s Laws (as my religion sees it). I may not like it but at the end of the day, when up against the wall, I cannot say I am right and God is wrong. I will be in the wrong and may have to pay for it in the end.

    As stated before, if I had my druthers I would convert to Judaism but I cannot forsake Jesus and Jews are not looking for converts anyway. In the end, I don’t say many things because I don’t wanna offend others (like Catholicism is the ONLY way to God) and I don’t feel comfortable saying that (right as it may be…) and in the end, I’ll have to pay for it one way or another if I say it (peeps will be annoyed) or not (God will be annoyed)!

    Consequences are integral to life even if spoiled people in 2013 don’t think so. Life is not so easy and freedom isn’t either!

    Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Italkit, sweety, speaking as a sodimite, I fully agree with you.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    Italkit sez:

    “First of all I stand by my statements regarding the feelings of many Jews one reason being that Jews do NOT understand true Christianity for the simple reason they don’t learn about it, the way you guys study Judaism. Rabbis tell Jews to not even pronounce the name of Jesus let alone read the NT so they don’t.”

    Has Italkit finally gone totally insane? Most American Jews are not Orthodox. Most American Jews know more about Christianity than about Judaism. But what does this have to do with anything?

    Italkit likes to talk through her ass. I have always thought the Torah story about this event was referring to a real talking ass, but perhaps it was metaphorical.

    skzion on April 28, 2013 at 9:32 pm

@Italkit
I don’t think you have nothing to apologize for.

“The Seeker” may also be known as “Truth Bleeper” to me and I think I may know him by other names as well.

Do not be deceived into justifying yourself to him.
He is a fool that sows division either intentionally or unintentionally.

Any Christian that understood or had any feeling for the persecution that Jews have suffered throughout Christian history(the long history of pogroms that made Hitler’s work so much easier) would never be as stridently indignant as him unless he was a categorically stupid or insensitive person. I can guarantee you that.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 6:46 pm

    FrankZ, just for clarity, The Seeker has been here longer than I have (regularly). He/She may not post that much but I can tell you when I became a regular here, The Seeker was already here and contributed frequently at that time (3 years back and more…)

    Skunky on April 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm

**anything** to apologize for

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 6:47 pm

Ok thanks Skunky you’re probably right but I don’t think I like him very much anyway.

Just as another aside to some misinformation he posted.

Hitler did not plan to exterminate the Christians.
He would have had to exterminate a hell of a lot of good Aryans if that been the case.
He planned to convert them to a kind of National Socialist version of the Christian church quite insidiously.
He may have had plans for some of the Christians who weren’t quite as open to suggestion as he would have liked and gave him trouble by doing things like helping Jews.

Also the antisemitism he exploited was based on centuries of Christian tradition if not dogma.

I didn’t say anything before because I hoped people would just ignore “The Seeker’s” garbage.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm

To understand what some of our fine Christian church leaders are doing to help their brothers in the middle east through “Christian outreach programs” as proposed by contributors such as “Red Ryder” you can watch here.

http://youtu.be/z4T5H2D1Cb8

If this doesn’t make you ashamed to be a Christian that’s probably because you aren’t.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 8:24 pm

“Hashem will remove those from our midst and while the Sodomite [that’s me] sits and interprets Torah for this blog [No, I interpret Torah as every Jew must, not “for this blog”], he is both right and wrong [Our Catholic school graduate will interpret Torah for us instead]. . . . . Absent body language and tonal nuance, it is easy to be misunderstood. . . .”

-Italkit, full of chesid (lovingkindness)

I can’t imagine how I could have misunderstood Italkit. I thought she violated the fundamental rule of Judaism–love for one’s fellow Jew–but I now see I was in error. Lol.

Poor Italkit! She complains that she is being flamed all around and that I, personally, have hurled hurled ad hominems at her. The truth is that she is engaging in the kind of wicked behavior that has forced her periodically to change her nick so as to evade the judgment of those who have become sick of her. I recall one incident where Debbie welcomed her flouncing departure from this blog (under a different nick).

Now, if Italkit actually knew much about Judaism, she would know that in the JEWISH story of Sodom, the great sin that caused its destruction was that Jews were cruel to Jewish travelers, effectively causing them to starve to death when they wandered into town. The idea of “sodomite” as meaning “homosexual” is utterly foreign (by which I mean in this context, Christian). But then Italkit went to Catholic school and apparently confuses the two religions. She would, however, be a fine Jewish Sodomite.

Apparently, what made her go all agro this time was my comment on April 28, 2013 at 11:09 am where I pointed out that she and her fellow Jews in Israel had amassed tremendous sin. She knows (at some level) that I am right, but she lacks the integrity to admit it. So, she claims that a Jew who has sinned [that’s me] cannot interpret Torah (in the broad sense, not in the narrow sense of the Pentatuch, the five books). Alas, our Catholic school graduate should know that fulfilling all mitzvot is well nigh impossible and that the greatest of Jewish heroes were flawed. On the substance of the matter, I am certainly right. I did not bother to reference Rambam (Mishneh Torah, Laws of Kings) because I did so on Israel National News several times–which Italkit knows full well, because she was there (with a different nick).

Israel is not a home for Jews now in part because Israel is full of people like Italkit. They’ll not desecrate Shabbat, and they’ll say the proper prayers, but they will ignore the really big things because they are small people who lack Jewish feeling. Absent this feeling, their rituals are contemptible. In addition, Israel has a political system that makes any attempt at reform nearly impossible. Lazoids like Italkit will kvetch about the Ashkenazi, but they will do nothing about he Bnei Amalek (Muslims) desecrating the Temple Mount. Give them some welfare and they will not object when the Jews of Gaza experience a “Jewish State” pogrom.

Italkit’s sins go on and on. But the one most relevant one here is that she focuses on her own needs rather than doing what is right for Jews. Despite King David’s ludicrous claims, Jews are not hated in America:

http://my.opera.com/skZion/blog/2008/03/05/jews-are-not-hated-in-america

But Jews would indeed be endangered if Muslims had more influence, as Debbie, for the umpteenth time, has demonstrated in this very blog entry. How can Muslims be denied such influence? Well, by focusing on developing a coalition that would oppose them. Italkit, though, doesn’t worry about that. She is still huffing and puffing about Luther. Perhaps she should focus instead on the “Jews” of Israel that endanger Jewish life every day.

skzion on April 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm

@skzion

Interesting to see that women are higher on the thermometer than men.
Does that mean men like women more than women like men all things being equal?
Perhaps yes would be the not surprising answer.

The problem is that America seems to be simply following trends laid down elsewhere in the world.
We know already where those end and America was always a better leader than a follower anyway.
I don’t think history will repeat itself in exactly the same way but there are more than a few correlations that make comparison useful.

I don’t want to get into the personal stuff between you and Italkit because I don’t understand it but it seems to me Italkit was responding in part to King David’s run of the mill knee jerk don’t stigmatize any group even if they want you dead response.

Frankz on April 28, 2013 at 10:08 pm

    “Does that mean men like women more than women like men all things being equal?
    Perhaps yes would be the not surprising answer.”

    Frankz, we cannot conclude who is giving women a higher rating than men from the data I posted. In truth, I never thought to dwell on that particular datum.

    skzion on April 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm

I guess this will put a significant change in the FBI’s hate crime statistics… assuming they come to grips with the fact that the triple murder was a hate crime.

There is NO Santa Claus on April 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm

OMG. This story is just too scary. If he didn’t do it, he was most likely involved in some way. The weird thing is he didn’t even go to the funeral. I think the majority of people in the Arab/Muslim would are just hungry for blood. They try to flip the script and constantly say Americans are the most violent and blah blah blah. The difference is the majority of people here feel bad for the war casualties and so many Americans were against the wars in the first place. Many Americans tend to vilify politicians who want to go to war. On the other hand, Arabs praise and worship leaders who are vicious killers like Saddam Hussein. It amazes me because even liberals against the wars will still say Saddam was a bad guy and the world is better without him. Meanwhile, in many Sunni towns in any Middle Eastern country, you can see pictures of Saddam still splattered everywhere. I guess these people don’t feel bad for the Kurdish kids, the same way we feel bad for the innocents who die in war. Today happened to be Saddam’s birthday and I seen so many Arabs post his pic on all over different social medias. Whether or not people agree with the wars or the outcome of leadership now, I just don’t understand how anybody can approve of Saddam. DS should also check out this FB page. Its filled with all the frumpy revert types in need of makeovers that she talks about. Its a support group for Katherine Russell. The content on here is so disturbing. https://www.facebook.com/groups/192905957529476/?fref=ts

E on April 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm

Opps the link wasn’t working. Anyway, the page is called Muslims in support of Katherine Russell.

E on April 29, 2013 at 12:00 am

I was also thinking people like DS and Geller should focus more time to campaigns which inform women on the actual teachings of Islam. At the end of the day, nobody can stop who somebody sleeps with or is attracted to, but people can be informed on the true teachings of Islam. I am shocked at how many Christian women actually believe Islam is just like Christianity only with Mohammad added. Women need to know how different Issa is from Jesus in Christianity. I feel Arab Christians who have had to escape their countries would be powerful voices in speaking out to American women who are converting to Islam. All these girls dismiss the voices of Americans and other Westerners as simply being racists and/or bigots, but its not so easy to tell an actual person from the Arab world that they are lying. Stopping the conversion of women to Islam and maybe even giving light to Muslims who are having second thoughts about Islam, would do something. After surfing the web the past few nights, I am personally shocked and depressed at the large volume of converts to Islam. That support page for Katherine Russell really opened my eyes to the fact that this is a plague and all of the women are unattractive, as DS described. This blog initially offended me because I felt that she was stereotyping all women married to Muslims as being these frumpy no culture of our own reverts who want to become Arab/ Islamified. I felt the need to really say that not all of us convert and not all of us are open to raising Muslim children. There are many of us who are putting our feet down to these men and maybe we did get into these relationships and/or marriages for the wrong reasons, but we are not swallowing Islam while forgetting our religions and cultures. Still, my argument is weak because for the 10 percent of us women who see the truth about Islam, there are 90 percent who are brainwashed. These 90 percent also know NOTHING about Islam. To convert to Islam is to hate yourself and everything you were raised to be and even the converts will always be garbage to them. Essentially, converting to Islam is to abandon any sense of identity. On a side note, reading about the Armenian genocide really made me sick this week.

E on April 29, 2013 at 1:08 am

    Easy Target, maybe you will also notice here the readers who know and value DS’ expertise do not tell her what to do. Many of us are humble enough when we come across someone who knows more than we do (and we can learn from them) and we don’t have a huge, erroneous ego thinking that we are more smart than she is.

    That’s what happens when humility, lack of a ginormous ego and the acceptance of reality mesh. That’s foreign to you, quite obviously.

    Skunky on April 29, 2013 at 11:26 am

Another breaking point came when I discovered a blog by a Polish girl of 22 who converted. She is not married, but working in Dubai and probably has a fetish for Arab men as many Eastern Euro girls seen to have these days. My heart dropped to my stomach at reading her writings. How can somebody who comes from a country with beautiful, peaceful people like Pope John Paul II and Saint Faustina accept such an ideology contrary to the beautiful lives of these great Polish people?

E on April 29, 2013 at 1:13 am

    So sorry about Brendan, Erik and Rafi. What a terrible thing. I did read somewhere that the Boston bombers, or one of them, was a suspect in other murders, but I had no idea of the specifics. I suppose PC is inhibiting the reporting of this.

    I hope that these murdered young men are sleeping safe in “the everlasting arms”. And that they have a wonderful awakening ahead of them into an earth ruled by the law of loving-kindness. That is the hope held out in both the Hebrew and Christian Greek Scriptures.

    (Deuteronomy 33:27) “A hiding place is the God of ancient time, And underneath are the everlasting arms.”

    And to return to the rules of PC, thank you commentator above for the words “beautiful”, “peaceful” and “great” in connection with us Poles and Polonians!! However, I think you will find that under the rules of PC, we are, officially, “more horrid than anyone else in time and space AND we shot Bambi’s mother”. But thanks for ignoring the rules. Its appreciated.

    The truth about us is, of course, that we are the fatally flawed children of Adam, the same as everybody else. We, the human race, are all caught in the same sticky trap, and we need the same rescue. We cannot get ourselves out of it. So, back to the Hebrew Scriptures for a moment: (Isaiah 25:7) “And in this mountain he (our Creator, the God of Abraham) will certainly swallow up the face of the envelopment that is enveloping over all the peoples, and the woven work that is interwoven upon all the nations.”

    This mountain is God’s Kingdom, the heavenly government that will “bring to ruin those ruining the earth” and restore Paradise. Isn’t that why we are asked to pray for its coming? And why we are asked to tell others about it, as a matter of great urgency?

    sue on April 29, 2013 at 4:17 am

      Three young Jewish men murdered and it was not big deal. Last thing anyone wants to do – including the liberal Jews of Boston – is embarrass a black governor or president by pursuing the case. Even Inspector Clouseau would have interviewed their Moslem BFF. If only their friend had been a white southern male vet who watched FOX.

      Pete on April 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm

    “How can somebody who comes from a country with beautiful, peaceful people like Pope John Paul II and Saint Faustina accept such an ideology contrary to the beautiful lives of these great Polish people?”

    -E

    WELL, E., Poles are not a favorite group around here because of their penchant for virulent anti-Semitism and their tireless attacks against this site.

    skzion on April 29, 2013 at 4:08 pm

      Hello skzion – I was sure that someone would put E back on the right – or PC – lines. But may I thank E again for saying something so nice about us Poles/Polonians. It is a lovely change, and much appreciated.

      sue on April 30, 2013 at 3:39 am

        sue, Americans of Polish descent (e.g., you, I presume) are not the problem, as you know full well. Embrace the melting pot, sue.

        skzion on April 30, 2013 at 12:36 pm

          Hello skzion, actually I am a Brit, writing to you from beside the English Channel. My father was a para in the Free Polish Forces in the UK, and was unable to return to Poland after WW2, as the country was handed over to Stalin.

          And indeed I do embrace the melting pot – I am a Jehovah’s Witness, and its wonderful to have so many different people, even in our sleepy little seaside town, to witness to. I had a lovely talk with a Somali taxi driver in London, as he hurtled us through the streets, his hands very busy with our impassioned discussion (rather than the steering wheel). When I had paid him at the station, he called me back to say how much he had enjoyed our talk (all about God and the Bible). I enjoyed it too. How could he and I ever have met if it were not for diversity?

          But as I loved my dear aged father very much, I don’t embrace the way Poles/Polonians are treated by some sections of America and its Media. And its Academe. I like Americans though. And so I appreciated the post that treated us in a kind and respectful way.

          sue on April 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm

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