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Congressman Asks Top Homeland Security Deportation Official About Schlussel Article @ Border Security Hrg, Official Lies Under Oath in Response

By Debbie Schlussel

*** bumped up from June 28, 2013 – 4:05 pm ***

**** SCROLL DOWN FOR UPDATE ****

Why is the top Obama Homeland Security official over deportation of illegal aliens lying under oath to Congress about an important immigration amnesty news story I broke on this site? That’s what Thomas Homan, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Executive Associate Director for Enforcement & Removal Operations (ERO), did Thursday when Congressman Kerry Bentivolio (R-Michigan) asked him about my article on ICE’s new policy of “reverse escorting” illegal aliens into America to prepare for amnesty. It happened at Thursday’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Hearing on “Border Security Oversight: Identifying and Responding to Current Threats.” The video is below, and the questions regarding this website begin at 14:30 (and go to around 18:03) into the video.

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Congressman Bentivolio Asks Homeland Security’s Homan About Schlussel Article

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Earlier this week, I told you about Obama’s new Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) policy of “reverse escorting,” in which Obama sends ICE ERO’s immigration agents from northern border states to the southern border to pick up illegal alien juveniles caught sneaking into the border. The aliens are then housed at Bethany Christian Services locations and other charities throughout northern border states, where they are kept awaiting amnesty or use of DREAMer status. Normally, these illegal aliens–some of them OTMs (Other Than Mexicans)–are deported back to Mexico within 24 hours. But not anymore.

At Thursday’s hearing, Thomas Homan lied about this when Congressman Bentivolio mentioned he read my column on this website and asked about reverse escorting. Homan went on and on about with some BS about how the ICE immigration agents in Texas have exhausted overtime and so to “save money,” they fly ICE immigration agents from Michigan to Texas to get the illegal aliens and get them to “Health and Human Services” beds. This is baloney. Do you really think they are saving money or don’t have enough ICE immigration agents that haven’t exhausted overtime and that it is more economical and “saving money” to fly agents down to Texas from Michigan, then fly them back to Michigan WITH illegal aliens? PUH-LEEZE.



And here’s the bigger lie: Homan says that this has to do with available beds and that within 72 hours, they have to turn over the illegal alien juveniles to Health and Human Services. Baloney. ICE has detention centers specifically for juveniles, and Bethany Christian Services is not that. It’s a Christian organization that believes it’s a Christian mission to welcome illegal aliens and settle them here. Notice that Homan mentions the Office of Refugee Resettlement. That’s a government agency specifically for helping alien refugees stay here and become citizens, as the name clearly indicates. And Homan mentioned that these juvenile aliens go before an immigration judge and have a hearing before they are removed. Uh, no. That only happens if they challenge the deportation and claim asylum. He mentioned the asylum factor. And, in fact, the Obama administration is encouraging them to claim asylum so they can stay here. Obama changed the immigration rules so that asylum claimants’ claims are immediately deemed valid (with little or no proof) and they can automatically remain in the U.S. while they pursue asylum claims.

It’s not me saying this. It’s the rightfully outraged ICE immigration agents who are telling me about this. And they’re not just in Detroit, as Homan claims. They are in Grand Rapids, Michigan and other locations across the northern border and interior U.S.

If this were really about deportation and beds, ICE would deport these illegal aliens from Texas within 24 hours as was normally done. This is about spending your money to bring illegal aliens into the U.S. interior and help them either await amnesty or find a way to get refugee status and/or asylum. And it’s a way for default amnesty even before there is amnesty.

Thomas Homan is a liar, and he’s just parroting the Obama propaganda. He should be recalled to testify and respond to what I wrote above.

I salute Kerry Bentivolio–who has turned out to be a great Reagan Republican Congressman in just his first term–for noting what I wrote and asking some tough questions. More please!

**** UPDATE: Note that Thomas Homan also belittles the threat of Other Than Mexican (OTM) illegal aliens by only mentioning three Latino countries as OTM aliens’ countries of origin, rather than countries like Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and Iran–and other Muslim countries–which we know produce dangerous Islamic terrorists who try to get into the U.S. undetected . . . via the Southern border. And, yes, plenty of ‘em are juveniles.

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66 Responses

First they will Lie. next time called in, they will plead the fifth.

sal on June 28, 2013 at 4:12 pm

Yep.

Barb on June 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm

All this and Obama’s only 6 months into his second term.

DS_ROCKS! on June 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm

Really great reporting and analysis, Debbie.

skzion on June 28, 2013 at 5:05 pm

    Amen, skzion.

    JeffE on June 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm

    You are right on target especially with all the OTM coming in. Keep up the good work. We need you. Where is the media when it comes to reporting? They flatter us with nonsensical news instead of reality.

    Dorothy on June 29, 2013 at 6:50 pm

We get the leadership we deserve.

Tommy Thomas on June 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm

He’s is just a puppet that is lying. What cap in overtime? Cops working any beat has a choice to work as much OT as he can stand. Average pay in our are with OT/ is 345 large per year. Who are these government hacks trying to kid?

AR on June 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    Sorry AR, but you don’t know what you’re talking about. MOST local OT is controlled. Now, most local officers work extra jobs to supplement their salaries, as in guards at events or nightclubs. These are paid for by the clubs or event sponsors. Since federal salaries were frozen a few years ago, and OT was frozen before I retired, your argument is lame and wrong. But I will agree that this mullet is a liar.

    WilliamMunny on June 29, 2013 at 4:18 pm

I was surprised to learn that Congressman Kerry Bentivolio is not an attorney. His background was that he was a designer in the automitve industry and he’s an Army veteran who served in the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, and the Iraq War.

I’m surprised because he really seems to know how to ask questions, particularly when confronted by a relatively skilled “tap-dancing” witness, like Thomas Homan; although I think he let Homan off the hook after the tail end his tortured explanation of reverse escorting. At that point, Bentivolio should have broken down each of the parts of Homan’s explanation, and probed what exactly each part meant and what the effect and impact was of each set of actions that were taken that he described in his testimony. That’s what got me to look up Bentivolio’s background and to discover that he was not an attorney. I think if he had been a well-trained and experienced attorney, he would have followed-up with more questions and tried to pin down the greasy tap-dancer. But still, overall, good questioning.

Debbie, you ought to contact the Congressman’s assistant and feed him or her some of your findings and maybe even make some suggestions for questions, knowing Homan’s evasive style. That and other issues presented here would be good enough reason to bring Homan back for more questioning at the next hearing.

Ralph Adamo on June 28, 2013 at 6:26 pm

Those who are good, patriotic Americans know that all the Donks (after 5+ years!) are adopting the Obama-Putin way of business. Which is to just flat-out effing lie.

It’s works magnificently for Obama-Putin, why not the rest of the Donks? They finally adopted the tactic and are embracing it full-tilt boogie.

Listen to that re-animated ventriloquist dummy and plastic surgery disaster Nancy Pelosi. She’s been doing it for years. Just as that grotesque puke Harry Reid does (Mitt Zombie’s tax returns, anyone???) too.

Don’t expect the castrato GOP to catch on and call them out on it and/or try to beat ‘em at their own game. They are still shaking and quivering in the corner and letting nasty vermin like Chuck Schumer fool them (yeah, I’m talking about that lisping boob Marc Rubio!!).

I didn’t really pay attention much to our Senate election (to replace John Kerry) or race because I didn’t need to hire “Miss Cleo” to know Ed Mahhhhhhkey (D-Chevy Chase, MD) would win. During one of the debates that lesbian-looking libtard not only boldly lied about our RINO candidate (Gabriel Gomez) he brazenly told the audience that Gomez was lying when he said he had a conversation with Arizona’s shame John McCain. (I didn’t vote for either, BTW.)

I had to laugh. Brazen and bold and lying straight out with NOTHING to lose. And it worked. He won. He lives in Chevy Chase, MD and STILL won! (He also lied to FOX25 when he took ‘em on a tour of his “beard” house in Malden. It was soooo brazen and bold!!!).

So know that is the new, shameless tactic. It works. The Obama-Putin way get results!!

(And I didn’t even have to mention Eric WithHolder or other Donks (like Jay Carney) lying and getting off scott-free. No one cares about the truth anymore.)

Skunky on June 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Dear Skunky, Congressional testimony can be trying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSIZUCLGU6w

    Worry01 on June 28, 2013 at 7:24 pm

      LOL Worry. Now that is the only kinda Donk I’d love to be around 24/7.

      I loved that! :D

      Skunky on June 28, 2013 at 9:05 pm

        Like Skunky, I enjoyed that video too, Worry, especially with the comment that someone posted on Youtube: “Awww… So cute. And no Teleprompter,? either… “

        Ralph Adamo on June 28, 2013 at 9:27 pm

          Thanks.

          Worry01 on June 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm

        Thank you Skunky. He has quite a bit of charisma too.

        Worry01 on June 28, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    In my Timmy calling Lassie voice: Yoo hoo, Funky, where are you?

    AR on June 28, 2013 at 7:31 pm

      As the Brothers Johnson song goes, “Get The Funk out My Face!”

      AR on June 28, 2013 at 7:33 pm

Well, I guess they’re like the IRS leadership, or the DOJ leadership. Lie after lie, and unfortunately, nothing except symbolism in terms of correcting the problem. And Skunky and Ralph are correct.

Little Al on June 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm

I hope you get to speak to the Congressman. The hearing was a joke since the people being asked questions were moons. I COUKD not believe how dumb they came across.

I am more afraid if what is happening then ever before. Only 400,000 stopped. That means millions of illegals continue to come. Many are here to do us harm and may also be criminals in hir home county. If I were a terrorist things could not be any easier after hearing those stooges.

Glen benjamin on June 28, 2013 at 8:37 pm

Managers in the civil service are not chosen for their knowledge, skills, or abilities, they are chosen based on the abilities to be Yes Men and to toe the line for those above them. Managers in government generally have no issues with willingly lying, cheating, or stealing.

As for the ERO personnel that are involved in the transportation, what they are being ordered to do is an illegal order, and thus can be refused. By being a party to the scheme, they are involved in alien smuggling and conspiracy. ICE going along with in executive branch in their quest for de facto amnesty is also dereliction of duty.

ICE = INS and all its ills.

King David on June 28, 2013 at 9:44 pm

    That’s why they are called managers and they also refer to themselves as managers and not leaders. I should know, I’ve been in the Border Patrol for over 28 years.

    bb on June 28, 2013 at 10:19 pm

    That is not true. They are hired based on affirmative action or who they know. You do not just apply for a federal job and get selected based upon qualifications or passing a civil service test. You see applicants fail the police and fire dept. exams all of the time but they are still hired. I think Debbie has shown that in various articles. You can expect a huge surge in Mexicans, that just became legal, to be working in government jobs. Where else will they work? They will either continue on the government dolls or work in government because there are no jobs in the private sector. In no time at all, you will have contact with the government, and it will be a recently legalized Mexican that cannot speak English that will dictate what you can or cannot do.

    AR on June 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm

I am no fan of this Administration either but we have to check the facts here. Every ICE Deportation Officer knows there is “in fact” an overtime cap of $35,000. And they have been told there will be no extensions granted during sequestration. And because of that, many Deportation Officers will meet the CAP and many are already at the CAP. Officers do not want to hit the CAP too early in the year because their AUO will be cut to ensure they don’t exceed the CAP. It has also been ICE policy and then put into law (after the FLORES lawsuit) that ICE cannot detain an OTM Unaccompanied Juveniles for more than 72 hours. ICE is required to turn them over to HHS within that time frame. ICE is also required to transport those juveniles to HHS and turn them over since HHS has no means for travel. That is spelled out in Policy also. ICE DOES NOT have facilities for juveniles. ICE has a couple facilities for “family units” but Unaccompanied Juveniles cannot be housed there because the law is clear. ICE cannot detain Unaccompanied Juveniles (no family with them).
Like ICE, HHS contracts out to numerous agencies for detention space or other alternative placement. ICE has no say in what agency or facility HHS contracts out to. What I do know is that ICE “is required” to turn them over to HHS custody and that is happening. ICE is powerless if HHS contracts with a faith based organization for placement. That is not ICE’s call. Again, ICE “is required” to turn them over to HHS or HHS contractors whether they are faith based or not.
And if you talk to Officers in San Antonio, especially the female officers they will tell you they were getting overworked with escort detail. San Antonio ICE has been hammered with large numbers of Border Patrol OTM arrests and they ran out of beds, even for the adults and they were bussing them or flying them to detention centers outside of Texas. So they had to do something. Therefore other field offices were asked to send officers to San Antonio to pick up the juveniles. Either way, the cost is the same or less. The officers still fly roundtrip and the juvenile fly one way. I have watched the testimony myself several times. Homan said that reverse escorting was done because officers would quickly hit the CAP, he didn’t say it was done because it was cheaper. He said the costs were fixed. What he actually said twice was “it was the same cost”. Watch the video.
But let’s be fair. Homan made it clear in his testimony that the Congressman would have to check with HHS on who or why they contract with different organizations. As a matter of fact, he said it twice. That is not his call. He is only doing what is required by law. And finally, ICE cannot and has not deported Unaccompanied OTM juveniles within 24 hours as stated. There is no VR procedure for OTM Unaccompanied Juveniles. The story also states they only see a judge if they challenge their removal or seek asylum. That is partially true. Why do you think they ran out of beds in Texas? Because they ARE IN FACT fighting their removal in hopes of staying in the U.S for their shot at Amnesty. I agree with DS on that point. The system is being played so everyone gets Amnesty. And as far as his comments about OTMS (Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador). What he clearly said was those were the “three major populations”. That is also a fact. ICE very well knows that they are the biggest culprits and account for tens of thousands of illegal aliens. I do agree that it would have been better if he would have followed up somewhat about the other dangerous OTMs from countries that support terrorism.
Homan is a career law enforcement officer who is doing the job he is directed to do by policy and law. The Policies suck, but in fairness, they are not his polices. You can thank the ACLU for that. I think his testimony was pretty stand up, especially when you consider he corrected the Congressman and made a strong case for more enforcement. When the Congressman asked about those who did not show up for their hearings, the Congressman was ready to settle at 20% which would be about 80,000 based on the 400,000 figure being thrown around. Homan could have gone with that if he was really a “puppet” as some of you claim. But what he did (again, watch the video), he said that the number was actually 465,000 fugitives at large. Not a figure this Administration wants out there while they are trying to pass CIR. He told the truth and I am sure he was later chastised by his political bosses.

Shaun Hughes on June 28, 2013 at 10:17 pm

    Why should they put more worthless hacks on the border? They are flooding the country in perpetuity so why not just eliminate the entire farce of a bureaucracy and save tax payer dollars. Otherwise deploy a marine corps amphibious assault unit to protect the nation. This could be supplemented by anti-personnel mines, LMGs and JDAMS and Predator Drones. Do what they do on the 35th parallel, and I guarantee that all of this nonsense will stop.

    AR on June 28, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    SH’s comments are disingenuous at best, and basically untruthful. Of course ICE has control over who it contracts with. It can set contract specifications and ‘holding’ organizations that do not meet those specs won’t get the contracts. And HHS is not some separate duchy. This is all part of the government; these are not a bunch of independent entities. If ICE was not happy with the ‘amnesty’ centers HHS is sending people to, they could break the contracts.

    It is again disingenuous to think that even if they are HHS contracts, ICE would have no input. There are always procedures for agencies to challenge other agencies/departments thorughout the government. They could get higher-ups involved, and make sure that amnesty arrangements get publicized if that is what they really wanted to do.

    And the thing about overtime? In addition to everything else that has been said, even assuming, for purposes of arguments that agents from Northern states need to be used, does that mean that the aliens have to be kept in the North? An agent can come down from Maine, and still place an alien in Texas. There is no inherent reason why a Northern agent must place an alien in the region the agent comes from.

    And Homan being for enforcement? Everyone is “for enforcement”, Rubio, Schumer, etc. Kind of like how every politician is “pro Israel” but always sticks it to the Israelis.

    And costs being fixed? It is routine in the Government for costs and budgets being reshuffled throughout the year. Additionally, overtime in the Government is always political, and like everything else, can be changed or modified throughout the year, as required.

    And the ambiguity about ‘convicted aliens’? Very smoothly evading the question about the timing of such convictions. Is it now, or earlier convictions? Both?

    So stop insulting our intelligence with these silly comments.

    Little Al on June 29, 2013 at 9:23 am

      Little Al you should be given a prize for being able to read that word vomit post. I gave up 3 sentences in.

      Paragraphs are an import variable in writing. I can’t be buggered to be bored if one has never heard of what a paragraph does.

      FAIL!

      Skunky on June 29, 2013 at 11:26 am

        Totally agree, Skunky. Some people deliberately write this way so that others will not dig in and blast them.

        skzion on June 30, 2013 at 6:15 pm

      And as far as Homan’s ‘honesty’, such as it is, it is unlikely to be because he wants to be honest. He is testifying in the middle of the skirmish about IRS testimony, and he sees what may happen to people such as Lois Lerner. He may have thought that his testimony could be a potential time bomb, and wanted to cover himself. It is unlikely because of his dedication as a public servant.

      Little Al on June 29, 2013 at 12:19 pm

Securing the borders is an easy fix. All Obama or any president prior or future needs to do is order their AGs to accept ALL Border Patrol illegal entry cases. The initial charge is 8 USC 1325, a misdemeanor. Once their time is served they need to be removed from the US, and any subsequent entries they should file a felony 1325 charge or a re-entry after deportation (8 USC 1326) charge. This has been done in the Del Rio Sector since 2005, and entries and apprehensions are at record lows.

bb on June 28, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    The country is pretty much over with anyway. They do not enforce what is on the books so what is the use of the statutes you cited?

    AR on June 28, 2013 at 10:43 pm

Tom Homan is a big dumb idiot. Look at the transcripts of the hearing. The recorder put (inaudible) on almost everyone of his responses. I think he was dropped on his head numerous times as a kid while he was eating paint chips. This moron used to be a special agent in Phoenix years ago. He would unzip his zipper, expose his scrotum and walk around saying, “look at the clam”. He is a habitual liar and a protégé of non-other than John Torres. He did some interview once with an ICE profile article where he talks about eating a lot of butter. Really? That’s so hard to believe. Once, in a townhall meeting in Las Vegas full of Latinos he said that when he was a Border Patrol Agent he would go into a 7-11 to get a slurpy and he would arrest illegal aliens. Why? “Because he could.” And John Morton and Dan Ragsdale pick this guy to run ERO. Why? Because he is stupid and easily controlled. Big, dumb, inarticulate asshole.

Duh...I'm Tom Homan on June 28, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    ‘He would unzip his zipper, expose his scrotum and walk around saying, “look at the clam”’

    That’s pretty f-in’ funny until you remember these fed employees get 30 days vacay/yr./full dental/medical and fat, easy retirements all on our taxpayer’s dime. You know how they say that $1500 of every GM car sold pays for just retiree medical benefits? Well, I wonder how many hours I have to work each year to keep these federal welfare queens and affirmative action flunkies employed and off the streets?

    DS_ROCKS! on June 29, 2013 at 3:49 am

    That was a heck of a lot of fun, Duh.

    skzion on June 30, 2013 at 6:17 pm

lying under oath
is a crime

says who

the billary clinton precedent
is not that explicitly

dave kendall
are you there

explain to the idiot masses
who think that the law
applies to everybody
how perjury
is not a crime
and certainly

does not rise to the level of

AN IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE

prestigio on June 29, 2013 at 1:17 am

Good reporting DS..The House needs to start prosecuting these pack of liars for perjury or else it will never stop. The government parasites think they are above the law, and so far, seems like they’re right.

waynesteapartyworld on June 29, 2013 at 9:33 am

It seems to me that this story will be like many of the other scandals that are plaguing the Obastard administration. First, they lie. Then, they plan the cover up. When asked about it again, they claim innocence and ignorance and plead the fifth. The final result will be that six months from now, some low level employee will be fired, and we will never be told who was responsible for anything related to this scandal.

Jarhead on June 29, 2013 at 9:34 am

For those that wonder, Thomas Homan is the prototypical INS special agent—no qualifications, no education, no skills. He can’t even speak correctly and his hobby is eating butter, and he gets promoted up the chain of command. INS was one screwed up agency, and to model ICE on that is truly a travesty.

There is a reason why people like this are promoted to high positions at ICE. If you have a person with little intelligence, no marketable skills or education, with no hopes of any job outside of the agency that offers as much in the way of pay and benefits, that person will do anything that they are told to keep that job, even if it violates law, policy, regulation, or is morally bankrupt. ICE has a lot of Thomas Homans in it. There was a time when civil servants were the watchdogs of government–those times are long past.

It is interesting that in the coming immigration bill, there are no provisions for ICE. Maybe the government is finally getting some sense and plans to get rid of the agency.

King David on June 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm

I am sorry to say we are giving away the country to the trash. Why is that; I son’t have a clue.

This administration has been fooling around without any firm planf for any thing other than campaigning for the next election. Is this what we want from an administration. I think we should start the impeachment wheels and get rid of the haphazzard policies they are trying to fool us with.

G. R. Scharoubim on June 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm

Bentivolio did not impress me. I would be asking for Homan to explain how these flights are fixed costs. I had heard some time ago the government pays for seats in advance and if the seats are empty the government still pays. Is that what this is? Why didn’t he press Homan?

Visteo on June 29, 2013 at 2:18 pm

Reminds me of the US Marshal’s “reality” show where they fly a group of marshals across the country to arrest one person and, I’m assuming, for that “James Bond” effect for TeeVee. Nothing like wasting those tax dollars on useless movement of resources. Seems to me that a call to the local Andys and Barneys could take care of about 99% of such things.

Pray Hard on June 29, 2013 at 3:29 pm

WHOAA!!. Stop!!. “other than Mexicans!!??????”
Is the US going to face the same infestation of “young men of middle eastern appearance” as we in Australia are now suffering because of the labor parties incompetence? 100% of these people are Muslims who claim to be refugees from some war zone or other
places such as Sri lanka…where the war stopped some time ago. They also seem to be able to travel from France to Indonesia where they can get on board a boat,sail to Christmas Island and claim refugee status. Pretty unlikely considering the costs demanded by people smugglers. it would appear now that they have discovered the US Mexico border is great place to enter the USA ands demand Refugee status .And,Maybe spread the cult message of their Cults founder,Mohommad.
None of these young men are bringing anything of value to Australia in terms of intellect or ability to work and will only be a burden on our country as they have proved to be in Italy,France,and Germany where they squat in apartments bitching about the western culture. The USa has already seen the very effects of this with the boston bombers.

Aron B on June 29, 2013 at 5:53 pm

These people are professional liars.
Does Hoseman have a particular area of expertise besides the over time cap?
If we give you more money will that make you less incompetent you Elmer Fudd hack?
Can you believe this sh*t?

migraine boy on June 29, 2013 at 8:54 pm

Great job Debbie. Keep up the great work!

The Deporter on June 30, 2013 at 2:48 pm

Mexicans work mostly on farms in the United States and with the difference in currencies can feed their families in Mexico.

That’s a good deal imo.

Because if we hire Americans to work the farms, we will pay through the nose for things like lettuce.

Jake on June 30, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    It used to be whites and Asians that did field work. This used to be the case but Mexicans, at least not the younger ones, will work in the fields. Why should they? They can displace an American worker in the trades, [construction] and make entry level wages of 20-25 an hour, manufacturing, hospitality, security, casual labor, truck driving or get government jobs. ( in Los Angeles, they routinely hire illegals) Or, they do not even have to work. They can get EDD (unemployment) without even having ever worked, SNAP, WIC, General Assistance, ( Welfare)SSI, Medi-Cal,
    (free medical care in California) Section 8, no tuition or in-state tuition, financial aid for college, etc. They also get money from The Unity Council ( A front group for La Raza) which is tied in with Wells Fargo) where they give illegals $25,000 for a down payment on a house.

    I always knew the system was rigged when I would see illegals, that would cross the border, get a low job in janitorial, making 8 or 9 bucks an hour, and then suddenly within 6 months, they would brag that they own a house. How could these be? It happens all of the time. I guess they are just hard working, as if US citizens are not, and are just as American as an Americans.

    AR on July 1, 2013 at 11:28 am

Well… with all this talk lately about the need for domestic surveillance, Where in the heck do you think the people come from that need to be watched? Why are we talking about amnesty, when we need to watch these illegals?

sal on July 1, 2013 at 12:08 pm

    I personally think the surveillance was to gain information against political opposition. That is to say, they wanted to pass legislation and in order to do so, they got the goods on a lot of elected officials. They were then likely told to vote for the passage of the Amnesty Bill or they would be exposed.

    AR on July 1, 2013 at 12:36 pm

Unrelated to this article, July 4th will be here in a few days. I was wondering what the consensus is among the illegal aliens: Do they know what Independence Day is?

I guess before you answer that question, I informally surveyed many Mexicans about Cinco de Quattro. They always replied, “it is May 5th.” I would then tell them, yes, it is common knowledge it is May 5th, but what is the basis for your celebration? They would then generally reiterate what was just said or say something to the effect it is a holiday where we drink Mucho Corona.

AR on July 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm

It seems there is little we can do at this point to stop the transformation of the country as we know it into a very different country.

Maybe we will end up in FEMA camps? Stranger things have happened.

creepy ass cracker on July 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Although I like the intensive reporting on ICE in most of your articles DS, I gotta say this one is a little overblown. Juveniles (Under 18) are arrested at the border and BY LAW, have to be treated by different rules (CAN’T just be deported back to their Country the same day). Of COURSE they use (and abuse) the system but, in my professional opinion, these DHS managers (however dopey they seem on tv) are NOT LYING. They are just trying (rather ineptly) to explain the law regarding the arrest, housing, transport, etc of “unaccompanied” (no parents or guardians with them) juveniles when taken into ICE custody. Debbie, you should focus more on how much this system will be absolutely taxed BEYOND IT’S LIMITS with this new amnesty, rather than focus on personal attacks to each of these DHS “managers”. They are only spouting what they are told to spout and, even though some are dolts and some are great Agents, they all say the SAME stuff. Standard Government Bureaucratic-speak. DON’T call the guy a LIAR Debbie, call the SYSTEM Looney-Tunes, which it is.

One ICE Guy’s opinion.

LA ICE Guy on July 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Say what you will solid agua guy, so far as I know, your job or the job of thousands of government workers that work for your agency, has not been in jeopardy. Once they legalize the 60 million illegals, and then there are millions more under chain migration, and hoards flooding into the US to become legal as well, then the newly legalized Mexicans will have to work somewhere. You will then be as dispensable as the rest of the Americans. Remember you do not have any great skill. Guess where the new welcomed lovely immigrants will work?

    AR on July 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I am a little uncomfortable disagreeing with border agents who are risking their lives and making tremendous sacrifices for our security, but the comment by LA ICE Guy needs to be responded to.

    Debbie’s comments are not an either/or situation. There is no reason she can’t respond both to the woefulness of the new law, and the disgusting situation related to Homan’s testimony.

    You make an oblique reference to “abuses”. Abuses like deliberately placing “juveniles” in settings where they can easily escape supervision, and slither into the country (and of course many of these are, to use the euphemism, OTM’s, or to put it less delicately, terrorists.

    And how do they know who is a juvenile? Do you think they brought their birth certificates with them? And the laws re juveniles themselves, do not have some kind of magical existence, apart from our daily political lives. They are deliberately loosely structured. These inadequate laws should not be considered above reproach as LAIG implicitly is doing, but are, quite properly, a subject for discussion, especially since new legislation is being considered.

    You advise Debbie to concentrate on the new legislation, but skillfully avoid specificity in our criticism of the ‘amnesty’. As a member of the Government, you are certainly capable of pointing out specific concerns that readers could learn from, if that was what you really wanted to do, instead of generalized comments that help no one.

    And these Government hacks “always agree with Debbie, and always respect Debbie’s comments” b-u-t…

    Little Al on July 1, 2013 at 7:12 pm

Hey there “AR”, I don’t count ANY Americans as “dispensable”, it’s sad that you do.

LA ICE Guy on July 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Well, I don’t but sadly the politicians, liberals, corporations, government employees [ I was going to say workers but government workers hardly work] and immigrants, legally and illegally, that come here do. There have been certain jobs that have been unaffected like public safety, but that no longer is the case. Just look at the demographic, I would wager that are lot of individuals are foreign born that work in your agency.

    This nonsense will not stop. The notion of decimating the wage earner, middle class is no accident and other Americans that are in a constant state of perpetual poverty will only increase. Just go down to “skid row” in LA to see how third world it is.

    As H. Ross Perot once said, “The Politicians keep clucking and the people keep plucking.”

    AR on July 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm

To “Little Al” and “AR”:

Well, let me respond to the points you guys are making.
“Little Al” – Well, when a juvenile is taken into custody and then placed into the custody of Health and Human Services, they are placed into some form of supervision. The level of “security” would be determined by them. I don’t know how many “escape” or “slither” out of custody but I’m sure some do. However, where is the justification for taking a juvenile from another Country and placing them into a maximum security prison? Yes, the have broken the law by entering illegally in some cases (in some cases they show up at the Border Crossing Station and request asylum) but our current system does not put ANYONE (Juvenile or otherwise) under maximum security standards. Levels of security for ANYONE are assigned based upon a number of factors (criminal history, immigration history, etc.). If a juvenile is taken into custody to await their hearing, they can (and are) placed into a variety of detention situations that could range from low to high security. Second, how does the Government know their juveniles? How do we know who ANYONE is? It is not a very easy process as some might think. Run their fingerprints? What if they were never printed in the U.S.? Look at their Birth Certificate? How do we verify it? It’s hard to verify U.S. BC’s much less BC’s from foreign Countries. Ask them? They could be lying? Check their ID? How do we know it’s real? We can also request a medical exam by a Doctor who can try and determine if the person has the physical characteristics (bone structure, etc) of someone under 18. The answer? There isn’t always a perfect answer, just our best assessment given all the information present. Finally, critical of Amnesty without examples? Wow, where do I begin? Those who work in the Government KNOW what is wrong and where their are holes, errors, abuses, waste, fraud, etc. but the lawmakers NEVER ASK US or INCLUDE US on the formation of these laws. Google ICE Union President Chris Crane and see how he has been shut out by this current administration.

“AR” – Government WORKERS do quite a bit of “work” each and every day, 24/7/365. You might not be talking all that “tough” if you went up to a couple of U.S. Border Patrol Agents tracking illegal aliens, drug smugglers and criminals in the middle of the Arizona desert at 0300 hours, and tell them they aren’t working! I feel your pain about the dismantling of the middle class and agree with a lot that Ross Perot was all about. I also agree (because I’ve been there and have seen it) that “skid row” is a disgrace to the City of Los Angeles, CA and LA politicians should be held accountable for that mess. If you really want to help, check out (and maybe donate to) the Los Angeles “Dream Center”. They work down there on skid row and help feed people and get them off of drugs. Just a thought.

Peace fellas!

LA ICE Guy on July 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Look, Ice Guy, don’t take what I say pejoratively. I just speak based on fact when it comes to law enforcement.

    As far as juvenile subjects, instead of all the bureaucratic mumbo jumbo, simple hold them in detention at YA. A vast majority of them “claim” anyway. Regarding their age, you simply FI them and then make a determination. Of course, they illegals, know they are not deported under any conditions, so weather they are a juvenile or not is moot.

    As far as telling any body that wears a uniform that they are not doing their job is something I do not have a problem. I am a tax payer, and at this point we are still a democracy, [although it is being chipped away slowly] and we are not quite a totalitarian regime, although very close, so I have no issues with addressing any deficiencies with the I.A. division, but for you to say what you have just said proves my point. “You might not be talking all that “tough” if you went up to a couple of U.S. Border Patrol Agents.?”

    I interpreted that as a credible threat. Do you say anything remotely close to an illegal?

    Regarding the agency you work for, I predict that if you are Anglo-Saxon, in the very near future, your job will be phased out and you will likely train a Mexican national, you know, one of many of millions that will be authorized to be a new citizen, thanks to the new legislation. Do you honestly think the private sector can absorb 100 million people? A tale tell sign is when you start seeing Mexicans, heavily accented, can not speak, read or write in English, yet they will be in uniform for your agency whereupon your superiors will start employing dirty tactics to get you to quit, i.e, bogus disciplinary action, sub-standard performance evaluations, given poor assignments, etc. and one day will be forced out.

    AR on July 3, 2013 at 12:23 am

LA ICE Guy, Debbie is criticizing what is happening, and your comments seem limited to explaining the various bureaucratic procedures that are causing this to happen. If the Government can pass Obamacare, it can certainly solve the problem of denying de facto amnesty to juveniles and near-juveniles in a way consistent with national security and respect for our laws.

If someone crosses the border illegally, they can and should be detained, regardless of age until they can be shipped out. We have a massive problem with illegal immigration, and we can’t limit ourselves to talking about the difficulty of identifying juveniles. As you say it is impossible to accurately identify who’s a juvenile. But that doesn’t justify extending such a classification to the point of abuse and de facto amnesty. And is detention an overreaction? We don’t know who these people are, some are likely terrorists, but they won’t come in with bombs attached to them. They will present themselves as poor neglected juveniles, until they can slip in. We have to assume a worst-case scenario, even aside from the economic and cultural problems of freely admitting anyone coming across.

And ‘asking for asylum’?If that’s all they have to do to get in, something is very very wrong.

But unfortunately current procedures serve to flood our country with more and more illegals, who may or may not be juveniles. I know that the union has been shut out, and that it is opposed strongly to the Senate bill and all the ramifications of it.

Debbie, too is opposed to the bill, and in a number of comments has made that opposition known. Regular readers of her blog are aware of her ongoing opposition. She does not need to state it in every post she writes.

Little Al on July 1, 2013 at 11:49 pm

“Little Al” – What you are talking about is being Pro-Active and to Hope for the Best but Prepare for the worst. That kind of mentality just doesn’t exist (in any great, significant numbers anyway) in the U.S. Government, in my humble opinion. Just look at the attacks on our Citizens in Benghazi, and eleven years earlier on the SAME day (9-11-01)! No one seems to anticipate and plan ahead anymore and certainly, NO ONE wants to “over-react” a little now to prevent from having to “react” after the fact when something catastrophic occurs. I fear it will only get worse. You’re right in saying things are “very, very wrong” but who has the power to change such things? Who was REALLY held accountable for 9/11? Who lost their jobs, was publicly reprimanded, fined, fired, demoted, NOT re-elected? Who? Who was held responsible for Benghazi? Who dropped the ball? Who was held responsible for their deaths? I understand that Debbie takes a stand on these things but I just don’t find that the ERO Director LIED about anything. Quoted failed and misguided policy, yes, lied NO. My opinion.

LA ICE Guy on July 2, 2013 at 5:54 am

Debbie’s point is about whether the current Government policies save money. She suggested that these roundabout procedures are motivated not to save money, but to promote amnesty.

As I wrote in a prior comment, overtime could easily have been extended to southern ICE employees if the need had been considered emergent. They could have easily been kept in the South. It is inconceivable to me that in the whole big state of Texas, places couldn’t have been found. Maybe not with ICE’s cronies or buddies (something that unfortunately has become a factor in all too many procurement decisions), but it could have been found.

Unfortunately, the government is dominated by political correctness, and it is up to people like Debbie to try to suggest an alternate path, to bring us back to the values upon which this country was founded.

Little Al on July 2, 2013 at 8:10 am

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