July 21, 2013, - 8:57 am

Helen Thomas a/k/a Helen tHAMAS, RIH: Jew-Hating, Hezbo-Lovin’ WH Reporter New Face of 72 Virgins

By Debbie Schlussel

Ding Dong, the wicked witch is dead. It’s official: Helen Thomas has a new existence in hell . . . as the sexy face of the 72 virgins for her Islamic terrorist buddies.

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Not Separated @ Birth

They say that only the good die young, and that’s why Thomas–an open supporter of Hezbollah and HAMAS and a proud Jew-hater–died yesterday at the ripe old age of 92. Thomas was ultimately fired as a columnist and White House correspondent for proudly telling Jews to “go back to Europe” and telling her Muslim friends in Dearbornistan that “Jews own America.” But her anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic rantings were tolerated for years by Presidents of both parties, and they–including Presidents Reagan and George W. Bush–repeatedly honored and lauded this “Saw” puppet lookalike, who was even uglier on the inside than on the outside. Her famous quote from Dearbornistan:

We are owned by propagandists against the Arabs. There’s no question about that. Congress, the White House, and Hollywood, Wall Street, are owned by the Zionists. No question in my opinion. They put their money where their mouth is…We’re being pushed into a wrong direction in every way.






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Predictably, moron Whoopi Goldberg defended Thomas’ Jew-hatred on ABC’s hag-fest “The View.” And, now, in death, she is lauded by the mainstream media as a “pioneer.” I’m not sure just what it is she pioneered. She was not the first to pioneer the art of Jew-hatred in high places in America, not the first to attack America in the White House to Presidents galore, not the first for anything . . . unless pioneering the science of hideousness is a first. And even that has come before and will come again.

As I’ve pointed out in the past on this site, it’s important to note that Thomas was a Lebanese Christian, NOT a Muslim (though she would look GREAT in a burqa or niqab). And like many of her fellow co-religionist Arabs, she supported Islamic terrorism galore against Jews, against Americans. She wasn’t a pioneer in that either. Just a true believer. She was Greek Orthodox, and many Greek Orthodox (especially the Arab ones) are Jew-haters, who repeatedly sided with Hezbollah, the P.L.O. and now, HAMAS.

The best Helen Thomas moment is the one in which the one person who had the guts to stand up to her in public–the late Tony Snow, then Bush’s White House Spokesman–told Hebollah Helen tHAMAS where to go. Again, only the good die young, and that’s why my friend Tony (I knew him for many years), who was a real mensch, died at age 53 of cancer, well before this ugly bigot died at age 92. Watch the video:

Tony Snow to Helen tHAMAS: “Well, Thank You for the Hezbollah View” . . .

Helen Thomas a/k/a Helen tHAMAS, Rot In Hell. Buh-Bye, Hezbollah Hag.

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Separated @ Birth: Helen Thomas & the Puppet from “Saw”

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After a long illness?

I hope she suffered. I need to see some justice.

Good riddance.

As goes Israel, so goes the World... on July 21, 2013 at 9:08 am

Most of what I remember about her is that every time I tried to watch a press conference and she started her rant, I’d turn it off. What a sickening, sanctimonious old hag.

Pray Hard on July 21, 2013 at 9:53 am

RIH, indeed! But does the Devil even want her?

Who more worthy than Helen Thomas of the sentiment expressed by Mark Twain in referring to Jane Austen? :” I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone.”

lee of the lower case "l" on July 21, 2013 at 9:55 am

It’s about time! Thanks for telling it like it is Debbie.

Karen on July 21, 2013 at 10:01 am

Why do you insult the puppet from “Saw”? What did he ever do to you?

Bruce Tabak on July 21, 2013 at 10:15 am

Thanks for posting that clip of Tony Snow. The guys intelligence, honesty, and class is such a stark contrast to that smarmy, arrogant liar holding the same position today

Larry Wooden on July 21, 2013 at 10:17 am

Thank you for telling it the way it is, Debbie! It’s just too bad you can’t be “required reading” to those who set policy for the rest of us!

Bruce Tabak on July 21, 2013 at 10:22 am

How did she become an American icon again? Oh yeah, right, it was that 60 Minutes segment all those years ago. I think it was Morley Safer that did the story. 60 Minutes, right. Why did I stop watching it over two decades ago? Remind me?

Alfredo from Puerto Rico on July 21, 2013 at 10:24 am

I seem to remember her back in the Eisenhower days. My mother was no Conservative and also totally not bigoted, but she HATED Thomas. Whenever the hag came on, Mom’s comment was “how does someone so stupid get to be in the White House press corps?” The issue didn’t matter, whatever her view was, it was indicative of gross, terminal, stupidity.

Italkit on July 21, 2013 at 11:04 am

Helen Thomas to be buried in Detroit – how appropiate.
http://www.examiner.com/article/trailblazing-white-house-correspondent-helen-thomas-to-be-buried-detroit

Herb Glatter on July 21, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Indeed, a turd to the dung heap.

    Pete on July 21, 2013 at 11:20 am

Hilarious…all the west side Jews are spewing their bagels now that she’s dead.

Herman Kowalvich on July 21, 2013 at 11:20 am

I’m with Debbie. Comparisons between Helen Thomas and Billy the Puppet are more than apt.

Rocker on July 21, 2013 at 11:36 am

How come that old goat did not take the same position about the illegals? How come she did not tell the Mexicans to go back to Mexico?

AR on July 21, 2013 at 11:36 am

Oh please she wad right to hate fucking dirty jews, who doesn’t. YOU GUYS NEED HITLER TO TEACH YOU A LESSON AGAIN.

fuck you on July 21, 2013 at 11:40 am

    ??? — WTF ??? !! — methinks I hear the sound of a jackass braying . . . anyone else hear it ??? — or is it just my imagination ?

    Dr. Mark on July 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm

    FU–See my message below. I wrote it with people that “think” like you in mind. Try to write an articulate response, in the unlikely event that you have that capability.

    Ralph Adamo on July 21, 2013 at 4:15 pm

God, I miss Tony Snow so much. He would have been the perfect
successor to Brit Hume on Special Report. Whenever he filled in for Rush, he would discuss his personal feelings on
family, friends and faith. His thoughts were always comforting
and revealed rare character. His physical absence must be felt every day by anyone who had the great privilege of knowing him.

nicole on July 21, 2013 at 11:42 am

The headline in Arutz Sheva says it all: “Hamas Mourns Helen Thomas”

PaulaMalka on July 21, 2013 at 11:42 am

Get out of Palestine you fucking dirty jews, they welcomed you into their land and you fucking pretend its your holy land because apparently it says so in ur bullshit religion

fuck you on July 21, 2013 at 11:44 am

    I keep hearing it! I swear, it’s the sound of a jackass, braying . . .

    Dr. Mark on July 21, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      Heeeeeeeeeeeeee, hawwwwwwwwwwww!!!

      Heeeeeeeeeeeeee, hawwwwwwwwwwww!!!

      Yup, there it is again, you’re right. Probably someone forgot to feed it, or it has no water.

      Alfredo from Puerto Rico on July 21, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Hey neo-nazi jackass, let me enlighten your sorry ignorant and uneducated ass on some REAL history, rather than friggin propaganda pumped into your inferior braincells by the arab propagandists, here goes:

    “Palestine” was NOT or NEVER a country, statehood, etc., Palestine in its day was a “Geographical-Region” in the western half of the middle east near the Mediterranean sea. Palestine consist of Israel, Lebanon & Syria, it was named during the course of the Roman Empire by the Romans, if you were any smarter, the word “Palestine” is NOT middle eastern, arab or islamic, it’s a “latin” word. Also, that region (Palestine) was occupied by Ottoman-Turkish muslim governments for about 400 years (1517-1917), the Turks lost control of the region of Palestine after WWI when they lost to the British, from there the British took over and occupied the region (1917-1947), here’s what happened you illiterate prick, the Zionist movement in the rest of the region of Palestine got permission by the UN to name the rest of that region “Israel”, they (Zionist movement) had TONS of votes from all governments across the world to name the rest of Palestine “Israel” (also, Lebanon and Syria got permission by the League of Nations to name their countries after those countries were apart of the region of Palestine, and Lebanon and Syria did NOT exist 100 years ago today) and the rest is history!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_history_of_the_region_of_Palestine

    “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

    Sean R. on July 21, 2013 at 9:59 pm

At last. She is finally the “ground breaking” reporter she always thought she was.

they say beauty is only skin deep, but she certainly was an example of ugly going all the way to the bone.

Rick on July 21, 2013 at 11:55 am

With all due respect to one of ‘Italkit’s’ points, it was noted that Helen tHAMAS began her White House beat during the Kennedy administration. In what position was she during Eisenhower’s? (No lewd double-entendre jokes, please.)

But the moment I heard her death, I figured that there’d be an ‘R.I.H.’ notice, and this site was the first that came to my mind (and for the record, I concur 1000% with what Debbie wrote).

ConcernedPatriot on July 21, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Thanks CP I’m not that old so I wasn’t sure what I remembered about her start. I knew it was around 50 or so years ago. As I said, I “seemed to remember” but wasn’t positive. The only thing I’ve ever known her as is a WH correspondent, asking the dumbest, most inane questions. She was sort of the “Mrs Miller” of the Press Corps. For those who don’t know, Mrs. Miller was an older lady who never missed being in the audience of The Tonight Show when it was still in NY. I mean in the audience. After a while the hosts from Jack Paar to Dave Letterman got a kick out of saying high. The deal was that if you said more than a few words on camera, they had to pay you scale. Old Mrs. M was pretty wily and would say the dopiest things just to get that hundred fifty bucks. She played dumb by she was nobody’s fool and she was always there. HT did similar thing with her questions I think. She’d get a laugh and an “isn’t it cute, a woman trying to be a REAL reporter” sort of attitude but she made her name.

    Italkit on July 21, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Helen Thomas has gone to that grossen Wannsee Conference in the sky (or is it down below?).

Underzog on July 21, 2013 at 12:05 pm

    Way down below.

    Concerned Citizen on July 22, 2013 at 12:54 pm

A couple of these comments seem like Helen Thomas came back from the grave.

One of my favorite things about this blog is that you tell the truth about dead people. Howard Zinn also comes to mind.

Little Al on July 21, 2013 at 1:00 pm

    Amen, Little Al.

    JeffE on July 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm

There is only one way to express how I feel about this.
It was best done in a scene from the movie “Scrooge”, a 1970 musical based on Dickens’s “A Christmas Carol”.

Here’s a Youtube video link to the scene. Don’t worry, it’s legit, not spam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkq7WZTzkLQ

In this scene, Scrooge has just been brought into the future by the Ghost of Christmas Future. Not realizing the people in the streets are celebrating his death, they break out into a memorable song.

Enjoy!

Michelle on July 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm

    Michelle,

    H I. L. A. R. I. O. U. S. !!!

    As goes Israel, so goes the World... on July 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Michelle, I’m no big fan of musicals but as far as favorite ‘A Christmas Carol’ adaptations this one sits at the top of my list.

    theShadow on July 21, 2013 at 7:48 pm

She’s dead which means she’s longer news which means this is a feel good story.

Good riddance yes. Reassuring no.

Greek Orthodox stupid enough to side with Hamas are probably not much longer for this world either. Hopefully the full retardation of that position has recently been brought home to them but who knows?

“But her anti-American, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic rantings were tolerated for years by Presidents of both parties”

Well, yes… but why wouldn’t the Democratic party tolerate and even celebrate her views? That’s what I’d like an answer to.
Because so many Jews have so much emotionally invested with them? Wrong.
Because Democrats are for tolerance and diversity? Wrong.

Did Helen Thomas celebrated Bush’s birthday with a big gushy grin? I think probably not but please correct me.

ty for the abedin i been missing db on July 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm

celebrate*

ty for the abedin i been missing db on July 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm

OK it occurred to me it might be the witches birthday or something else going on but that’s more than just schmoozing.

ty for the abedin i been missing db on July 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm

OK it is her birthday. finally got round to the BO video which I could only stand 5 seconds of

ty for the abedin i been missing db on July 21, 2013 at 2:50 pm

Please note Helen Thomas’s critical omission in her statement that “Congress, the White House and Hollywood, Wall Street are owned by the Zionists.” Although all virulent anti-Jews assert that the Jews control Congress, the White House, Hollywood, and Wall Street, there is a striking omission of one very important industry that the anti-Jews ALWAYS include, but Thomas somehow missed.

Did you catch which industry was missing from her diatribe against the Jews?

Of course, the industry that she did not mention was the media, including broadcasting, cable, Internet, newspapers, and magazines. In fact, that is always the number one industry that most anti-Jews will focus on.

So, why did Thomas omit or neglect to include that critical industry?

In my opinion, it’s because she worked her entire life in that industry, and she knows that nobody would even know or care about her if not for her career in that industry. And if she were to say that Jews also control the media, then she would have to explain why the “Jew-controlled-media” would permit her to have any role in the media, let alone the major posts that she’s held.

I have spoken with many anti-Jews in my time and they have opened up to me about their beliefs. When I’ve gently probed the issue with them to get the real thoughts underlying the hatred, inevitably the real reason emerges. It comes down to one word: envy. Each of them has recognized that Jews as a group are successful far beyond their numbers and in spite of many barriers, roadblocks, and worse.

That said, Jews do not control Wall Street, in spite of what you may have read about the influence of Goldman Sachs. Such mega-financial Wall Street institutions as JP Morgan, Citibank, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo are about as gentile as they come. In fact, the Jews went into the business of investment banking precisely because they were excluded from commercial banking.

Yes, the Jews have major controlling interests in Hollywood. And that’s because they created that industry from the ground-up and they have always been experts in the business. That is why even the Hollywood enterprises that are not controlled by Jews will still often install Jews in management positions. They want their businesses run well so they hire the industry’s best talents, and those management talents happen to be Jews. (Disney and Sony are two examples of this that come to mind.)

And one last thought on this subject. Let’s say for argument sake that it were actually true that Jews control the US Government, the media, Wall Street, etc. With that kind of control, would Helen Thomas really have been allowed to exist for 92 years? Of course not. The only reason Thomas could get away with her outrageous statements and obvious biases is because the Zionists (code word for Jews) don’t control everything. Either that, or, at a minimum, she would have had to acknowledged that the Jews are very, very tolerant of those individuals spewing hatred against Jews. And that’s not something anti-Jews are prepared to do.

Ralph Adamo on July 21, 2013 at 3:35 pm

They say you should never speak ill of the dead. Unfortunately for Mizz Thomas this will not be one of those times. This America hating, Jew hating, terrorist loving hag is now rotting in Hell thanks in large part due to her cackling attitude. Too bad that she lived to the ripe old age of 92(I thought that gargoyles were immortal)and that outstanding people like Tony Snow died way too early. I remember when he finally put that harpie in her place several years ago. It’s good that you have the video with him basically telling the old bag to STFU STAT! May she forever keep Lucifer happy or sad or whatever. I’m sure that the old devil has her room ready. You know the one right next to Ted(The Swimmer)Kennedy, Robert(KKK)Byrd and John(ABSCAM)Murtha. Hey Debbie make sure that when you do another seperated at birth not only put up Helen Thomas and SAW but please do put up that dullard Rachel Jentel and my favorite actress Gabourney Sidibe. Both of these girls are real lookers(yuck)!

Ken b on July 21, 2013 at 3:41 pm

This is officially my favourite newd site on the www. CNN, BBC and Al Jazeera havr been feeding me so much p.c. excrement for ages. Now I got a true source of info to counter that. Bless you Debbie. keep telling it like it is

Kenyan infidel on July 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm

News Release From Lucifer: “WELCOME HOME HELEN”

SorosSpelledBackwards on July 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm

she died a ” Miss”? had a reserved chair at the White House press briefings and still couldn’t afford some decent plastic surgery? sheesh!!

Kenyan infidel on July 21, 2013 at 3:58 pm

The Witch is Dead. Is it true she spawned Ted Kennedy, Robert Bird, Adolf Hitler, Louie Farrakant [sic], Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton and if so who was the father of these vile disgusting pieces of shit?

Robert A. on July 21, 2013 at 4:08 pm

The Devil himself, of course. It’s right there, on the Birth Certificates

Dr. Mark on July 21, 2013 at 4:26 pm

“Separated @ Birth: Helen Thomas & the Puppet from “Saw”” LOL!

Ha ha! Roast in Hell,filthy, Jew-hating hag, Thomas!

DS_ROCKS! on July 21, 2013 at 4:34 pm

Unfortunately, Thomas’ views were not atypical for Christians.

King David on July 21, 2013 at 4:36 pm

    Thanks Queen David. You really know how to ruin a party.

    Do we really need another example of the stupid Jew? This fraudulent poster has the nerve to associate herself with David but has never written an intelligent comment.

    skzion on July 21, 2013 at 5:00 pm

Word on the street has it that Helen asked to be buried face down…. so she could see where she was going.

psrrobbins on July 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm

Dear Lord

How ugly these Mideast desert tribal scum with their huge crooked noses and fake smiles

rot in hell, lady

steveba on July 21, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    Oh look, it’s Steve baaaa. He’s actually commenting about Jews as well. Nice try, stormfront baaaa.

    skzion on July 22, 2013 at 8:31 am

I wonder who will her inherit her house with chicken feet deep in the forest?

Janis on July 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm

    @Janis on July 21, 2013 at 5:55 pm
    Nice one! I’m one of the few people that know what you’re referring to.
    ‘Baba Yaga of Russian folklore, the fearsome witch with iron teeth. She is hideous to look upon and lives in a hut that can move about on its extra-large chicken legs.’

    Well the ‘hideous’ part surely fit HT like a glove, inside and out.

    theShadow on July 21, 2013 at 7:38 pm

She was not a true Christian to show such hatred for Jewish people. Unfortunately a lot of evil people were catagorized as”Christian” when in fact they weren’t. Never understood anti-Semitism nor do I care too.

SusanJ on July 21, 2013 at 6:04 pm

I hate to evoke lashon hara, but I must state the following: I cannot recall ever seeing a photo of Helen Thomas and Yasser Arafat together. Is it possible they were the same person, except that in the guise of Thomas s/he smeared lipstick over the lower portion of his/her face?

Elana Starr on July 21, 2013 at 6:12 pm

Not the type of woman I would care to spoon with.

Aloha …

proxy servers rule on July 21, 2013 at 6:32 pm

Wha?! I thought Darth Vader threw her into some sort of Nuclear Pit at the end of Return of the Jedi. Or am I confusing her with someone else?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68616/2204580-emperor_palpatine.jpg

theShadow on July 21, 2013 at 7:16 pm

On second thought, comparing Emperor Palpatine or the Saw puppet to Helen Thomas just proves that no amount of Hollywood makeup can make anything as hideous.
All sing Ding Dong the Bitch is Dead.

theShadow on July 21, 2013 at 7:24 pm

Ha ha ha I knew I would see an article about this hag before Monday, and Debbie you did not disappoint. I will say that this woman is being lauded for being the “first woman in the top press job” but other than that nothing new.

Her raspy throaty condescending voice that gave me the impression that she knew better than you or me and thats why she was part of the “club”. No tear being shed for this witch.

Debbie you should have put a picture from the Wizard of Oz showing the witch’s legs sticking out while the house is on top of her.

Mario on July 21, 2013 at 8:08 pm

    Agreed, Mario. Debbie, I do think you missed an opportunity here.

    skzion on July 22, 2013 at 8:36 am

Miss Debbie, this old nanny goat is most likely in Hell today. Too bad for her soul, but she is responceible for herself. The Lord deals with those who are against His people. I’ve seen Nothing Christian in this witches life. Just because she may have claimed to be Christian, don’t mean she was. A true Christian would and does support the people of Israel. Not her. All the “good words” said over her and about her by the media will do nothing to help her. As sick and anti-Freedom as the media are today and in the past, it did get a mico less ugly because one of the wicked witch’s of the west is gone.

William on July 21, 2013 at 9:17 pm

Thanks for the scoop Debbie, to be honest with you, I didn’t know that this late hag was “Lebanese”, I thought she was of Syrian lineage (and yes a Christian). Anyway, if there is such a place call hell (or heaven, showing my atheistic end of my thinking, even though I’m not an atheist), I assume she’s down there with her pals Yassir Arafat, Adolf Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, etc.

And for the one poster who said that Ms. Thomas was not a real Christian, sorry to burst your bubble, but she was a christian, and there are some christians who are jew-hating anti-semites, NOT all christians are rational and logical (there are some of them who are hatemongers). That’s the equivalent of some muslims who say this: “those terrorists are not real muslims, they’re perverting the real islam, etc. etc. etc.”, you all understand where I’m coming from with my analogy there!

“A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

Sean R. on July 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm

    Really? What church did she attend? Was her pastor/priest also anti-Jewish? What passages in the New Testament teach Christians to be anti-Jewish? We can all quote from the Koran — chapter-and-verse, so lets see these New Testament verses.

    Real Christian on July 21, 2013 at 11:31 pm

      Hello Real Christian, I had never heard of the lady who has just died who is the subject of these postings. I am a Brit, writing from the sunny south coast of England. But your question is a good one. You ask: “What passages in the New Testament teach Christians to be anti-Jewish”.

      The answer of course is “None”. There aren’t any. The writers of both Hebrew and Christian Greek Scriptures are Jewish, as they were the ones entrusted with God’s word. And the Christian Greek Scriptures tell us this clearly. Romans 3:1,2 says: “What, then, is the superiority of the Jew, or what is the benefit of the circumcision?  A great deal in every way. First of all, because they were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God.”

      The Christian Greek Scriptures show how faithful Jews recognised the Messiah when he came, and formed the first Christian congregation.

      Gentiles were not gathered in till after Jesus’s death (as the prophecy in Daniel foretold) when holy spirit fell on Cornelius, a gentile.

      sue on July 22, 2013 at 1:57 am

        Sue The Pom it ain’t no shocka that you did not know who Helen THamas was. You do love your above-the-wasteline wanks but hardcore news and and truth other than what The Watchtower pukes up just doesn’t snap your beans.

        Who would listen to you? Sunny south coast of England. It must look just like that light-house scene on the boring Watchtower cover.

        You know, your England of Madam George and roses and NO Moooooslim strife (even though your Brit papers are chock
        -a-block with stories…heinous and outrageous ones too). Your England where you’d just sit back on your sunny, south coast and not lift a finger to help ANYONE against the Mooooslim scourge.

        I hope you’re the first one to be taken out when your sunny, south coast becomes a Sunni, south coast. Just desserts will taste delicious then, you FRAUD!

        You’re the WORST sort of Christian! I would even argue a fake one but I do believe in religious liberty so let that go…

        Skunky on July 22, 2013 at 11:13 am

      Real Christian, there are some Christians who are anti-semites, and I’ve met some of them, read about some of them and studied some of them.

      For starters, some Christian-Arabs have anti-Semitic tendencies by having disdains for jewish people, also, the late Pope Shenouda from the Coptic-Christians (Egyptian Christian-Arabs BTW) sect went on record and said that: “Jews are Jesus killers”, to her own credit, Debbie here called out the Coptic’s Pope on his anti-Semitism, anti-Israel stance and so forth.

      I’ve read and learned that some christians who has anti-Semitic tendencies, hold teachings from the early Christians, who to had some jew-hatred in their DNA. And you are right about the Koran having hateful evolution and hateful science by saying that “jews evolved from the pig and descendants of the ape”.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_early_Christianity

      “A nation is defined by its borders, language & culture!”

      Sean R. on July 22, 2013 at 3:20 pm

    Sean R. you’re in good company with the no heaven or hell comment and we’re not atheists, we’re Jews. Heaven and Hell are concepts Christianity borrowed from the Greeks and because of the Diaspora, we have adopted the language but really, Orthodox Jews do not literally believe in them as specific places. They are metaphorical ways of describing our journey in the afterlife as we head towards the Garden of Eden, again, probably a metaphor. Catholics are actually closer with Purgatory but they add in the instant judgement and up or down direction for the few.

    Italkit on July 22, 2013 at 2:40 am

      Hello Italkit, Hell – “Sheol” in the Hebrew Scriptures, “Hades” in the Christian Greek – is simply the ground, the grave, where the dead sleep in complete unconsciousness awaiting a resurrection into the restored earthly Paradise.

      And heaven is where God is – the true God, the God of Abraham. Isn’t it also where “the holy ones”, the annointed ones, will be resurrected (are being resurrected) to form part of the incoming Kingdom of God – the Kingdom of priests and the holy nation – who will rule from heaven to restore the earth to Paradise?

      Because Paradise was the Garden of Eden, where our first parents lived. It was here on the earth. I don’t think we have ever forgotten it, or have ever stopped longing for it. There are glimpses of Paradise everywhere we look.

      God told our first parents to turn the whole earth into Paradise – but they decided differently when they made their fatal decision to cut themselves off from their Creator, their Source of life.

      Won’t the dead, those in Sheol/Hades, those held safe in “the everlasting arms” wake up right here on the earth, but in an earth restored to Paradise?

      The faithful Hebrew prophet Daniel was told: “And as for you yourself, go toward the end; and you will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”

      Daniel sleeps in death, but His Creator remembers him, and will call him from death, from Sheol, and he will stand up for his lot in the earthly Paradise when the time comes from the resurrection.

      Daniel will certainly be there. I hope that I will be there to meet him. It is an “undeserved kindness”, so I can hope.

      sue on July 22, 2013 at 3:22 am

        Sue, we Orthodox Jews do not interpret that literally. The earth is where the body resides but our souls are in transit moving towards Gan Eden, the Garden of Eden. That is maybe a real place or may be, a state of Union with God. God doesn’t have an abode the way you think of it. He is spirit and everywhere. Once our bodies are finished and in the grave, we most certainly ARE conscious. Remember the parable of Lazarus in Gehinnom being asked by his brother to get him a drink of water? He was forbidden to contact the living brothers but he and the unrighteous brother were conscious of each other and the outside world. He was forbidden from making contact but he was aware. And that’s a parable which describes the situation. The unrighteous suffer in their journey, while for the righteous, it passes easily. The role of the righteous after death is to ease the journey of the less righteous but exhorting, encouraging and comforting but in this story, Lazarus was not able to cross the time/space barrier to bring physical comfort.
        We do believe in the Resurrection but not as you do. It’s one reason we do not cremate our dead. We don’t believe that is is the only creation that ever was but that we may be in a particular cycle. Actually Scofield believed this and has been condemned by many Evangelicals for it. I would need to do more study to be able to give a better answer but as for Daniel, that verse refers to those who will survive the war of Gog u’Magog and what you call the Tribulation. The importance of it for you is that there is no Rapture and you will go thru it too but if you are righteousand serve God, you will come thru as well.
        if you read Zechariah 14, there is certainly a time of peace and prosperity under Messiah’s rule but Paradise? Um, no. Free will will still be operating and people will still sin, hence the warning to come up to Jerusalem once a year or be cut off. These things are mysteries to us as well. All we can do is our best and wait and see. It’s not going to be long.

        Italkit on July 22, 2013 at 8:23 am

          Thank you Italkit for a thoughtful and kind response. I wish we could talk about this… although as I am one of Jehovah’s Witnesses you might not want to.

          But isn’t it the Hebrew Scriptures themselves that assure us the dead have no more thoughts and no more feelings?

          For example, Ecclesiastes Eccl.9:5 says: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all…”

          And, yes, re this doctrine of The Rapture, do you find it chilling how it reverses what the Inspired Scriptures actually say? Rapturists (?) teach that the good will be raptured off the earth to somewhere or other, and the wicked will remain. Yet the Hebrew Scriptures tell us that our Creator will remove the wicked from the earth, but leave the upright to inherit it.

          Proverbs 2:21,22 says: “For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.”

          sue on July 22, 2013 at 10:11 am

          Where the hell is that fifty foot Queenie “Queen David”?

          That babbling buffoon could have a real go at Sue The Pom, but that tired, old Queen NEVER opens his anti-Christian yapper when she spouts her horsesh**.

          That’s all you need to know about Queenie!! Another fraud!

          Skunky on July 22, 2013 at 11:23 am

          Yes, Skunky, where *is* Queenie?

          skzion on July 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm

She was an awful human being who was tolerated for decades by politicians and the mainstream media. It was amazing that such an open antisemite had such a long and prosperous career.

Worry01 on July 21, 2013 at 10:44 pm

She looks like a zombie with most of the skin still on.

RT on July 22, 2013 at 1:27 am

I wonder where Nocturna is?

I see Italkit’s back.

skzion on July 22, 2013 at 8:43 am

I admit that I thought she was already dead. I don’t usually let wishful thinking get the better of me.

skzion on July 22, 2013 at 8:47 am

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