Way to keep on top of this Debbie. We all count on you to be out there keeping the pressure on the worthless media and their agenda driven "reporting". Since the silent majority have such few voices, it is nice to know you are there fighting the fight.
Thanks again!

That doesn't look like the shooter to me but then again his name is in the caption which can't be a coincidence.

"And by the way, if this is just a deranged, crazy kid, how did this immigrant student from S. Korea--with no military training--become such an excellent marksman?"

Shooting Range anybody? Obviously he had practice somewhere at sometime.

The shooter was an English major + loner with imaginary girlfriends which leads me to believe that Ismail is a character. Maybe its from Moby Dick maybes its from some other piece of literature. I think if he had got "laid" he wouldn't have done such a gruesome senseless thing.
Literature was his escape...

AGAIN, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, DID HE READ MOBY DICK IN ARABIC? IF NOT, ISMAIL IS NOT FROM THAT. MOBY DICK USES THE ENGLISH VERSION OF THE NAME. ISMAIL IS ARABIC.
DEBBIE SCHLUSSEL

This is very intereting. Shouldn't this be pretty easy to confirm or at least disprove (e.g. if it can be shown that the VTech Cho never left the country). Aren't there facial recognition programs that could compare known photos? There are enough coincidences here that there should be some follow up (but I am willing to bet there won't be.)

put the known picture of the shooter side by side with this one. they are clearly two different people. the shooter has a rounder, "moon" face. the kid pictured above clearly has longer bone structure in his face, making it more of an "oval" shape. even weight gain or surgery doesn't change the structure of your face.
she indubitably removed the picture because it's been reposted as the shooter(when it clearly is not) at least ten times that i've seen.

Go to http://www.axawards.com/honorees/index.html and look in the names for 2006. See anything interesting? Indian film director Ismail Merchant in the AX awards. Is THIS the 'Ismail AX' in question?

Clarification!!!!

Apr 18th, 2007 by eldarossell

This morning after finished read the VT Tech incident in the local newspaper, I checked my email. And it was full of messages regarding the speculation whether I knew the VT Shooter or not. That was because a picture that I put on Flickr had the similarity to the murderer.

When I read those messages, I was shocked and until I write this I’m still shocked. Especially, after I heard that an Indonesian student was one of the victims.

I write this to clarify that my friend is not the VT Shooter.

Yes, the murderer name (Cho Seung Hui) had a very similar name to his name, Cho Seung Hoo. Please note to the HOO and the HUI in their names.

I already saw the murderer picture in NY Times and other news websites. He’s definitely not my friend Cho Seung Hoo. They are completely different person.

First of all, they don’t have the exact similar face. Their similarity was just their homeland and name (even that not exactly the same). There are a lot of people have the same characteristic, short hair and wearing glasses.

My friend is 25 years old not 23. When he came to Indonesia, he just finished his study in college majoring computer. He doesn’t speak English very fluently.

My co-workers are very fond of him because he is very friendly and always make time to talk to them while he was staying at our hostel. He is a very funny and talkative person, definitely not a loner.

Currently, he still teaching computer in Indonesia until next year and then he will go back to his homeland.

He is not a Moslem. He is a Christian. Ismail was ONLY his nick name while he studied Bahasa Indonesia. He maybe didn’t use that name again.

HE IS INNOCENT.

I’m feeling guilty right now. Just because I put his picture in my blog and Flickr, he has to face that false accusation.

I already delete the picture and the blog post about him, so that everybody will stop being curious and accuse him. And also because nobody can link to that anymore and made unnecessary comments that only lead to other accusation. I already had enough with comments in my Flickr in regard to that. I quote:

“If this is him there is an Indonesian Muslim connection.. Look at the rest of the Photostream, This guy may have studied in Indonesia and became a Muslim.. Anyhow, I can’t even tell if its him. But he did have the word Ismail written in red on his arm. I just don’t know”

I’m crying when I read this comment … what do you mean by that?? That’s my friend, family and country you just insult!!

What if one of your friends or family or EVEN YOU receives that insult and accusation?

I’m being paranoid now. I’m afraid because I put all my pictures in the internet. What if something likes this happen again?? Maybe one day, someone will say “Hey, that dog pic on your Flickr, I think it was the one who bite me yesterday. I’m going to sue you“

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I seriously don't think that the guy in the photo is Cho Seung Hui. Lets be human for a moment. She most likely took the photo down because the guy in the picture's name resembles the shooter's name and she doesn't want the unwanted attention. The media falsely accused an Asian VT tech 2006 graduate because he had pictures of him with weapons on his face book. He received death threats and harassment until the true identity of the shooter came to light.

Hotair.com is reporting that the WaPo is saying that the word is acutally "Ismale" and not "Ismail".

All I have to say is shame on all of you for taking the innocent and making them guilty. You had an interesting perspective here and you had imagination, we need that, but be careful in condemning the innocent, triple check your facts, and then accuse. This was all premature, and now we are learning that this kid had major mental health issues, let the facts come out first. On MSNBC, parts of that kid's letter has leaked out and he refers to his Christian religion as one of his issues.

Don't you think you should apologize for your hasty accusations or at least admit that you were wrong several times on this whole VT issue? That would be the mature thing to do. In fact removing this post completely would be the responsible thing to do as the person who took the picture noted the error that was made and explained why they removed it. You've already received "Worse Person in the World" by Keith Olbermann. Why do you want to pursue a clearly invalid path?

Moreover, the rational person would take this situation as a lesson to cool down their obsessive tendencies on certain issues. Especially considering that the writings stemming from the irrational obsession could unfortunately provoke others for whom violence may be an option for dealing with what they mistakenly believe is a threat to their safety or way of life.

Many of you people make ridiculous speculations about this sick individual in a seemingly desperate attempt to make this crime conform to your pet prejudices about muslims and foreigners. Why not look at the facts that are known and try to draw some more reasonable conclusions? 1. male 2. mentally ill 3. a loner 4. a stalker who harrassed women 5. resentful of "rich kids" 6. a bad writer of gruesome fantasies. This guy conforms to so many stereotypes of school shooters. The only twist is that he's from South Korea (though he spent most of his life here)

Agreed. This guy is not a Muslim and probably had no ties to Islam. If he did we would see it in his writings because he was an English major (Muslims don't keep their views silent.)I was watching the local news (Washington DC AREA) and a reporter was talking to the the pastor of the Church that the Cho family attends or attended. The pastor (who is also Korean) said the same thing that everyone else is saying about the shooter (loner ,lonely ,anti-social ,etc).

I think you should remove this post and post an apology for falsely accusing the poor man in the flickr photo.

You bloggers are really something else. Always trying to stay at the top with the latest and greatest news no matter how much it will hurt others. Stop thinking about yourselves for once, pricks.

Nicole Rork

Yeah, I agree. It was an interesting lead but now that we have the facts this post should be taken down. The people in those photos are in danger of being harassed.

As a measure of common courtesy, the pictures should be taken down. An apology to the blogger and her friend would be appropriate as well.

It's clear that they are different people. The shape of the face, the completely different nose, the completely different ear structure. Please apologize to the person pictured and eldarossell publicly at the top of your post in large bold font. It's only right.

As I ranted before, had the Virginia Tech shooter been a white male who opened fire on to a crowd of minority students, the feckless media puppets would not only have their cameras rolling on this story for an enternity, but they would also try to delve into the shooter's background information as well. It is absolutely despicable how the media is covering for Cho Seung Hoo and defending him too. Whether he had ties with Al Qaeda, no one can be certain ( if not the media might be sweeping that one under the rug but then again, how are we suppose to know whats going on when the mainstream media is covering tracts of the perpentrators that they presumably sympathize with?), but why should a mass murderer be exonerated under the prognosis of insanity ( as it was claimed he was mentally deranged, another media cover up no doubt.)? If OBL was miraculously captured and tried, what would his verdict be? With the corrupted justice system we have today, I would be afraid to find out.

Jew Chick makes no sense. The media IS delving into the killer's background. Perhaps the fact that there is not any evidence that this man was tied to al quaeda is what prevents them from reporting it. Who in the world is exonerating him?

I predict that Debbie will not apologize or take it down or even proffer a correction, because the person she would have to back down from is Muslim.

The best you'll get is something similar to Jew Chick's (by the way, Jew Chick, "prognosis" does not apply, since he's dead, I believe the word you were looking for was "diagnosis") response --- "whether he had ties to al Qaeda, no one can be certain". Here's news. NOTHING is certain, everything is probable or improbable. The irony is that people that use arguments like this, regardless of political affiliation, are not having reasonable discourse. It's twisting a logical truth --- that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" to create associations in people's minds --- manipulate them --- into believing something without proof. It works in new wave alternative medicine, WMD's, extrasensory perception, ghosts, 9/11 conspiracies, blah blah blah. It's BS. People like this want you to focus on the anecdote --- that Ismail (which I guess is now Ismale according to WaPo) is an Arab name. They want you to forget that he's Korean, his parents were Christian, he needed significant psychiatric aid, etc. and focus on the one thing that could tie him to Islam.

The end goal of this site is not a consideration of the facts (and most political blogs), but rather a consideration of convenient facts in order to manipulate people to hate Islam.

And an apology or correction doesn't further that end goal.

Jew Chick is right. The media needs to stop defending the shooter, and start releasing details about his personal life and history. It's obvious that they are withholding this information because they are working in line with Islamic terrorists, such as Al-Qaeda, to prevent the shooter's Islamic ties from being exposed.

Also, George Bush would have found OBL by now if he didn't have to fight every step of the way against the MSM and their atheist gay liberal tree-hugging agenda. The MSM constantly undermines our troops and reports misinformation because they hate America, and the freedom for which it stands.

Is it too much to ask that facts be verified before written about? And that wrongs be made right? (i.e. false accusations and the bearing of false witness.)

There might be a slight resemblance, but this guy is smiling and has friends, and that doesn't square with what we know about the shooter so far.

Like I said there is no adequate evidence that the Virginia shooting massacre is linked to Al Qaeda. But then again, how can we be certain that it wasn't? Let me ask you this, does his tatoo raise any bit of suspision to you? Why then was the media hesitant to debunk the shooter's ethnic background? Do you suppose the media felt more sorry for him than for his victims? I seem to think so and it doesn't make sense to me but for a heart bleeding liberal like you who always takes the side of the criminal,perhaps it does for you. You would probably make the same allegation about the Utah mall shooting incident, wouldn't you? We don't know if that one is linked to Al Qaeda and we will never know because the media had buried that story long ago. How could you people be so gullible? The truth is I don't know but I have no doubt in my mind that its probable. Yeah, both killers were insane but there must have been something that triggered their dementia ( yes, anti-deppresants are known to induce self-destructive behaviours and suicidal thoughts. Perhaps the pharmacists should rename that sort of prescription to pro-deppresants but thats a side joke)that impelled them to go on a shooting spree.May I ask you a rhetorical question? G-D forbid if you personally knew someone who was slain in the shooting incident, would you be as forgiving towards the shooter as the media is evidently? Would you care a damn one way or the other if you found out the murderer was diagnosed with with deppresion or just about with any mental disorder listed in the DMS? This is where you liberals are confused. Of course this all doesn't make a wit of sense to you because YOU ARE INSANE! Political Correctness has screwed up you neurotransmitters therefore preventing you from seeing things the way they truly are. The point I'm trying to allude to is the fact that I'm disgusted with the liberal progressive dominated media pitying and forgiving the cold blooded Virginia killer because he just happens to be a minority. Doesn't that shake you. Whats worse is he media gave a miniscule amount of coverage to the heroic professor who died saving his students from that madman. Why should the shooter, or anyone at that matter, be forgiven for the atrocities he committed because he was insane? And yes, race or be it ethnicity has everything to do with this shooting case and that can't be refuted although the media is trying to do that as usual. Go figure.

I just looked at the photos he sent NBC -- and again, this guy doesn't look anything like the guy above -- his face is much more angular than Cho's, and Cho's chin is much, much smaller.

But I suppose the facts are irrelevant.

Sunny K -- (Are you related to Sunny D?)

You said:

It's twisting a logical truth --- that "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" to create associations in people's minds --- manipulate them --- into believing something without proof. It works in new wave alternative medicine, WMD's, extrasensory perception, ghosts, 9/11 conspiracies, blah blah blah. It's BS.

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It's like I always say:

If G*d had wanted wo/man to think, s/he would have given them a brain!

Debbie -
Please stop.
The photo you displayed look nothing like the VT shooter. Stop trying to make a muslim connection.
I guess they all look alike to you, you stupid bitch.

Like I said there is no adequate evidence that the Virginia shooting massacre is linked to Al Qaeda. But then again, how can we be certain that it wasn't?

Jew Chick

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And, don't forget, there is no adequate evidence that Debbie was engaged in a lesbian relationship with Ann Althouse & Ann Coulter & Michelle Malkin & Jenna & Not-Jenna, which some people say triggered Cho Seung-Hui's rampage. But then again, how can we be certain that she wasn't?

I presume Debbie Schlussel is a front for jihadists who, through the use of insanely over the top conspiracy theories linking muslim terror to every media event that comes up, makes us all so bored of the whole stupid issue that we drop our guard and let them flood in through the gates while we're not looking.

As noone can prove this to be definitely false, I vote we send her to Guantanamo immediately. Heck, if you look at her picture next to Osama Bin Laden and kind of squint they even look the same.

That's okay. Y'all look alike to us too.

Debbie, let me add my voice to the folks asking you not to make this disaster worse by dragging innocent people into what's going to be a firestorm for the next few months.

This would be a great time to pull the photos down and post a "Oops! My bad!"

A.L.

Itis truly is funny to see you sheeple wringing your hands over Debbie asking a serious question. As tragic as the VT massacre is, it is not as tragic as the fact that only one man, an old man, with no weapon, had the balls to try and stop this insane bastard. Had Liviu Librescu been carrying a weapon, the outcome may have been different. Maybe something about one of the students trying to stop the gunman will come out later. So far there is no indication that anyone tried to do anything. That is tragic. That's what our enemies count on. Armed Liberal? Does that mean you go armed? Let me picture that scene: Gunman runs out of ammo. Armed Liberal says "here Mr. Badman take my gun. I'm a terrible American and deserve to be shot. Please shoot me first!

TDYINHELL

King Solomon must have been thinking of Debbie when he wrote:

"Like a gold ring in a pig's snout, so is a beautiful woman who lacks discretion" - Proverbs 11:22

"Charm is deceitful, beauty is vain, But a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised." - Proverbs 31:30

Way to blame the victims tdyinhell. You can't know what you'd do in that situation until you're there. You prefer to live in a fantasy world where insane speculation is a "serious question".
By the way, I just watched some video of the killer which he sent to the media and wouldn't you know it-he's got a jesus christ complex.

"Hoo" similar to "Hui?"

I bet you go into a Chinese rstaurant expecting Sushi on the menu.

ISMAIL IS NOT FROM THAT. MOBY DICK USES THE ENGLISH VERSION OF THE NAME. ISMAIL IS ARABIC.

Good point- It's very troubling that no one noticed this Pakistani on a student visa walking around with Arabic written on his forearm.

Although I suppose the fact that he was a Korean raised mostly in the US, who used the english version of the name- well, that might have thrown less astute observers off.

But not Debbie!!!

Remind me- what happens in baseball when the batter swings and misses three pitches in a row?

Although I will admit, it's been entertaining watching someone so fail so insistantly, vehemently and spectacularly right from the word go. ;)

MY LORD you pathetic and ghoulish souls are desperate to turn this killer into a jihadist.

You get the prize junior detective!

Your site is a hilarious train-wreck of idiocy.

Dayum Debbie. You get a lot of posts from a lot of ding-dongs.

You posted what others said and their requests for you to look at the pics. You also referenced them and then you asked this:

"So who is Ismail? Is he Cho-Seung Hui? Why did Eldarossell suddenly remove his photo? Just asking."

Yet, so many ding-dongs then cursed you, accused you, indicted you, ridiculed you, etc.

I only see legitimate questions, some common-sense responses and of course, ding-dongs. (looks left) Remember Liberals. There is no cure for stupidity. You're doomed to be sheople for life.

If you see the images of the envelope sent to NBC, the name written is A. Ishmael - Another theory is that it is a reference to James Fenimore Cooper character Ishmael who carries a ax and a gun.

Lemmiwinks said>> "I only see legitimate questions, ..."

Well those "legitimate questions," which were really simply speculations based on rather thin evidence, are now moot. Based on information that has now been made public, it is clear that Cho was a Christian. Most South Koreans in the US overwhelmingly are, with the bulk of the remainder being Buddhist (if he had been Buddhist, would that be a reason to say all Buddhists are in league with Al Qaeda?). Christianity is, after all, the majority religion in South Korea. And now that we know his family were Christians and that, in the videos he sent to NBC, he states that he will "die like Jesus Christ" can we finally put these wild speculations that Cho was Muslim to rest?!

Let's face up to the fact that Islam isn't the only religion which can play into the murderous delusions of a violent sociopath. Christianity can fit the bill just as well, and, in fact, often has over the course of history!

I saw his self-made video manifest and I think it's obvious.
I = I
Smale (smail) = smell
Ax = Ass

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