April 25, 2007, - 5:46 pm

Is America Really At War?

Maybe . . . Maybe Not. Most Americans, in their minds, are not at war. They are asleep. This sign, posted in Marine barracks (but could be at home in the barrakcs of any of the military branches), and making its way around the Internet, says it all (thanks to reader Bob for sending it):

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The left has no idea how to support the troops. If I had an employer that kept telling me that my work was a lost cause and that I lost, it would register in my mind that my employer wasn’t supporting me and I’d be looking for another employer. They talk about Bush splitting the nation, hell, the dems have been squawking for years and that didn’t have anything to do with division? Mindless nuts.
Oh but the leftists say, we can’t question their patriotism, well you know what I say? I sure as hell can.

Highrise on April 25, 2007 at 5:55 pm

Michael Chertoff get it. Here is a link to his opinion at the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/20/AR2007042001940.html
Thank you for keeping those of us who care to be, informed.

Tamarah on April 25, 2007 at 6:30 pm

No. America is not at war!!!!
We are not at war. War is when you have a battle plan and unmercifully kill the enemy until they quit and surrender. How many B-52’s dropped their loads today? How many Cruise Missiles hit their targets today? How many tanks blew the enemy to pieces today?
All we are doing is sacrificing our troops while Bush pulls idiotic plans out of you know where.
God Bless our troops. Bring them home if they are not permitted to fight.
Or drop Harry Reid into the “front lines” (where are the front lines?) and annialate the enemy. What’s that? You can’t recognize the enemy. They don’t wear uniforms or fight fair. What a mess!!! Thanks W, good job. You are one hell of a commander-in-chief. January 2009 can’t get here soon enough. Then we can truly say, “Mission accomplished.”

Happiness Pursuer on April 25, 2007 at 7:04 pm

Thanks for mentioning your allies. I wonder how many Americans know that 54 Canadian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan.

stevecanuck on April 25, 2007 at 7:08 pm

On supporting this war – it’s won already. What’s our remaining goal(s)?
WMD – check
Odai/Qusay – check
Saddam Hussein – check
Zarqawi – check
Elections – check
Democracy? They have a new constitution – not based on our values, but theirs – namely shariah. Under this set-up, Chaldeans and Assyrian Christians are fleeing to (of all places) Syria (while the US plans to take in 7000 Iraqi Muslim refugees). Which of them – Shia or Sunni – are pro-US? Shia? They are mainly supporting Iran and Hizbullah. Sunni? They are either supporting Saddam’s Baathists, or Zarqawi’s al Qaeda. Kurds? Sure, they are the most grateful of the lot, but we aren’t supporting a separate Kurdistan. So which of the people who we are trying to support actually deserves it?
And once again – what’s our mission _now_? Resolving whether Mohammed’s rightful successor was Umar or Ali? If there is a civil war between pro-Hizbullah Shia and pro-Ikhwan Sunni, whose side should we pick? Should we even stop such a fight, were it to break out?
Remember the 80’s war between Iran and Iraq? Did we end up any worse off due to millions of fanatics on both sides getting killed? Remember the 60’s proxy war between Egypt and Saudi Arabia in Yemen? Was that a good or bad thing for Infidels?
Bottom line – if there is an internecine war between Infidel hating Muslims and Infidel hating Muslims, why is that a bad thing for Infidels? If two or more of our enemies are busy destroying each other, why should we even bother stopping them?
Want to know my exit strategy for Iraq? Exit is the strategy. What will result is a civil war between Shia and Sunni. Initially, it’ll be in Iraq. Then, inshallah, it’ll spread to Saudi Arabia, where the Shia in al Hasa province can rebel. Let all that Saudi cash that funds madrassahs and CAIR in the US be diverted towards containing their restive Shia, and in the meantime, let Iran’s cash flow to their science project and Hizbullah be diverted towards encouraging Shia rebellions in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bahrein. Once we have these 2 US hating groups at each others throats, we can then keep arming at a low level either side so that neither gains the upper hand.
Note that we do not have a dog in this fight. The only dog we have is that fight itself.
Feed that dog.

Infidel Pride on April 25, 2007 at 7:19 pm

i knew steve,well not actually the number,but i knew the canadians we standing with us.

patriot10 on April 25, 2007 at 7:21 pm

Infidel Pride, I deduce that you are a student of Niccolo Machiavelli – “Though fraud in all other actions be odious, yet in matters of war it is laudable and glorious, and he who overcomes his enemies by stratagem is as much to be praised as he who overcomes them by force”

feralcat9 on April 25, 2007 at 7:37 pm

If memory serves, it was this Administration (aka: The Right) who have let down our troops the most. Let’s see:
Not having a post-war plan (“They’ll greet us as liberators”)
Sending the troops in without proper equipment, body armor, translators, etc.
Continually extending their tours. Sending them back without proper rest.
Sending new recruits in without proper training.
Refusing to grap the reality on the ground (“The insurgency is in it’s last throes”, “We’re fighting a few dead-enders”, etc)
Walter Reed Medical Center and the rest of the VA system.
In latest budget they slashed VA benefits.
And those are just the things I can think of off the top of my head. Now ask yourself, which is worse. All the things the administration has done wrong, or people on the left saying that the war is lost?

D*Rek on April 25, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Actually, no, I haven’t studied him. But I do think that using our enemy’s strengths against themselves, and in the process, sparing our own people death, is humane. If we were doing this for, say, Cambodians, or Koreans, or Venezuelans, it might be one thing. But for us to do this for people who in overwhelming numbers disdain us (because we are infidels) is nauseating. To see Infidel blood spilt so that such people may prosper is blood boilingly infuriating.
We could view this war as us vs just one set of enemies, and there wouldn’t be a problem with that had our military strategy been to simply obliterate them militarily, and let them live with the consequences. But that’s not what we are doing. We are there doing a giant social experiment for a people who are taught growing up to loath us – not because of anything we’ve done, but because of what we are – non Muslim. From rebuilding and rebuilding power plants that keep getting destroyed, restoring schools, etc, all for a people who have no tradition and no intention of doing it themselves.
Or we could do what I suggest above (has been discussed many times on JihadWatch) and recognize that we have 2 sets of enemies, who loath each other as much as each of them loathes us, and use that factoid to our advantage. Just do what’s needed to ensure that they don’t stop fighting each other (or else, they’ll turn against us: they don’t believe in peaceful co-existence with their neighbors and peacefully building civil societies): either they’ll be at war with others, or they’ll be at war with themselves.
But my Machiavellian tendencies aside, what do you think our troops should be doing there, once we do the surge? And more importantly, is it an achievable goal? And what if they can’t pull it off – again, not because of any of their own shortcomings, but because of the Islamic mentality of the people they’re trying to save?

Infidel Pride on April 25, 2007 at 7:53 pm

The left has no idea how to support the troops…GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS AND OUR ALLIES!
THIS is part of an e-mail that i sent to all the so-called patriots at Fox: A lot of the
soldiers come in from the field and haven’t eaten so we would like stuff to be
able to make for them thats easy and reminds them of home. Also, we cut off a
lot of soldiers clothes and then they don’t have anything else to wear, so we’re
asking for Dollar Store/WalMart type packages of underware, socks, tshirts,
shorts, you get the idea.
It was from a nurse stationed in Baghdad hospital last year, and i included her Army e-mail address so that they could contact her directly…she is now home safely and all the WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS clowns did not send a single item to help them…like James Brown used to sing, they’re just talking loud and saying nothing.
In a country of 300 MILLION people, if it’s at war, then surely the army should consist of AT LEAST 1% of the population?
The AMERIKKKA LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT chickenhawks are supposed to be about 30% of the population, so if 10% of those SUPER PATRIOTS volunteer to go to Iraq/n…surely there’d be at least 900,000 troops in Iranq??? And whatever happened to all these peaceniks that were gonna be human shields???
Dante was wrong, politricks is the divine comedy.

EminemsRevenge on April 25, 2007 at 7:59 pm

D*Rek – “Now ask yourself, which is worse. All the things the administration has done wrong, or people on the left saying that the war is lost?”
Probably all the things that the administration has done wrong.
However it is the lefts dismal track record and lack of any sincerity that worries me the most.

feralcat9 on April 25, 2007 at 8:23 pm

D*Rek – “Now ask yourself, which is worse. All the things the administration has done wrong, or people on the left saying that the war is lost?”
Probably all the things that the administration has done wrong.
However it is the lefts dismal track record and lack of any sincerity that worries me the most.

feralcat9 on April 25, 2007 at 8:25 pm

The left’s dismal track record?!? What, per se, could be worse than all of the things this administration has done wrong?

D*Rek on April 25, 2007 at 8:42 pm

I’d be intrigued by your plans. In the meantime, I forgot about Iran above. I would support taking out Iran’s nukes, but only if that’s all there is to it, and that we don’t follow it up with another giant social experiment. What we should do there is use the al Hura radio to stop re-broadcasting Radio Teheran messages, and fine-tune it (in a manner of speaking) towards each of Iran’s non-Farsi ethnic groups. First of all, not only conditionally* support Kurdistan in Iraq, but also include Kurdish parts of Syria and Iran in this plan (not Turkey’s, but send Ankara a clear message that if they keep Islamizing, Kurdish claims on eastern Anatolia will be entertained). *Condition being that Kurdistan be non-Islamic, and grant refuge to non-Muslims from Iraq and Syria. While that’s done, encourage the non-Mahdi sections of the Shia in Iraq to support the Arabs of South West Iran, in Khuzestan – using al Hura to encourage those Arabs to rebel, and split the Shia support for and from Iran. In the North West, in Tabriz, encourage the Turkic speaking Azeri minority to rebel, and seek union with Azerbaijan. And while at it, encourage the Baluchis in Iran (Pakistan will follow) to rebel as well. Note that Farsis are only 50% of Iran’s populations – the others being Arabs, Kurds, Azeris and Baluchis. Once these revolts are set off in Iran, they’ll be too busy and will have to recall Hizbullah from Tyre, Sidon and Dearborn – they’ll need all the Hizbullahis back home to quell all these revolts. Hopefully, this would totally bring down the Iranian regime, while in the meantime, Arab regimes throughout the region are destabilized.
And while that’s all going on, move our troops not to Qatar (as Centcom currently does) or Kuwait or Okinawa (John Murtha’s inane suggestion), but to Israel. Keep them there, and if any of the factions in any of these fights gets an upper hand, bomb them such that their enemies are strong enough to resume the war. And keep doing it.

Infidel Pride on April 25, 2007 at 8:50 pm

It seems to me that Bush went AWOL. He is no where to be found. The radical left is not helping much with their anti-war diatribe either. But as commander in chief, it is Bush’s duty to back our troops, not abandon them which he seems to be doing incidently. Look no further than the 8 marines who are ruthlessly being prosecuted under false charges. They are being incriminated for defending themselves and America and yet, Bush is no where to be seen defending them. The defening silence coming out of the Bush administration on this matter and many more matters as well leaves me very worried. The question we should really be asking ourselves is is there still leadership left in America and if so, where is it?If not, what happened to it?

Jew Chick on April 25, 2007 at 8:51 pm

Interesting that Machiavelli surfaces in this discussion. He put together a handbook for winning. You have to be real good to beat it and still be on the side of the angels.
We have no winning play book for the Middle East. Our script was written by the 3 stooges: Cheney, Rove and Political Correctness and lip sync’d by Bush.
We are slogging through the outcome of centuries of barbarism under the delusion of a pretend religion. How can you overcome this unless you annihilate it or run as far and fast as you can. Sure there are a few intelligent people there. Look what they have achieved for self independence. Nothing.
Pull back and create strong castle walls. Do what the Jews did on the way from Egypt to Israel: take 40 years to grow strong. Eliminate the dependency on oil, create a thinking culture in the U.S., maintain the world’s best military, use it well and harshly. A few missiles now and then will distract terrorist protecting governments. Overhaul the educational system, become competitive in the world market, align the Western Hemisphere into the world’s greatest economic block and listen to good music- jazz.

Happiness Pursuer on April 25, 2007 at 9:13 pm

i think the best course of action would be to completely dissociate ourselves from the muslim arab world, not buy a drop of their oil, no trade, no aid, no troops – nothing. Meanwhile, we can keep Israel well supplied with state of the art weaponry. Eventually, one of the mooslim countries will get a nuke, launch it at Israel, then Israel can justifiably return fire and level every muslim shithole surrounding her. They still have neutron bombs, right?
When that smoke clears, we can build a nice Chuck E. Cheese (or maybe a Hooters) where mecca once stood, followed by a month-long free-beer party to celebrate a world without those hotheaded ignorant assbags. allah hu akhbar! allah hu akhbar!
Now that’s at least as good as Dubya’s plan, isn’t it?

live from dearbornistan on April 25, 2007 at 10:24 pm

live from dearbornistan: Soundslike a plan to me. Howeverit’s a bit to rational for the morons in Washington, D.C. If anything this war has taught me that the muzzie pond scum are not worth fighting for any reason. No more experiments and assumtions that Democracy can work anywhere because that’s utter bullshit. The Russians and French have cleaned up supplying both sides while we lose our precious blood. NEVER AGAIN!

warpmine on April 25, 2007 at 11:09 pm

Infidel Pride – “But my Machiavellian tendencies aside, what do you think our troops should be doing there, once we do the surge? (Most should come home, some go to Kurdistan) And more importantly, is it an achievable goal? (The surge could work to some degree, but when it’s over, back to the way it was, or worse) And what if they can’t pull it off – again, not because of any of their own shortcomings, but because of the Islamic mentality of the people they’re trying to save? (The Islamic mentality will prevail)

feralcat9 on April 25, 2007 at 11:19 pm

Happiness Pursuer – “Interesting that Machiavelli surfaces in this discussion. He put together a handbook for winning. You have to be real good to beat it and still be on the side of the angels.”
One must be as a lion to frighten off wolves, but as a fox to recognize traps.
Men ought either to be indulged or utterly destroyed, for if you merely offend them they take vengeance, but if you injure them greatly they are unable to retaliate, so that the injury done to a man ought to be such that vengeance cannot be feared.

feralcat9 on April 25, 2007 at 11:26 pm

Hey “Infidel Pride”, just wanted to say your strategies and ideas are well thought out, brilliant, efficient, and sure to achieve many victories in this global war on islamism.
It’s too bad that for those very reasons, it’ll never happen.

Jose on April 26, 2007 at 10:28 am

Funny how things go. Vietnam was something that eventually worked out where we left them with a reasonable facsimile of a democracy and a pretty good military. But, the communists were massing along the border all when we were withdrawing and the minute we left they launched their Chinese communist financed blitzkreig. The South Vietnamese government asked for a few bucks for beans and bullets and a few flyovers of our Air Force to knock out some tanks. They didn’t ask us to send the troops back, just a little help. The democrats said no thereby turning 55,000 dead Americans into an ‘all for naught’. All we had accomplished up to that time was flushed down the toilet by the democrats which then lead to the millions in the killing fields and the millions that voted with their feet by floating out to sea on their rafts. The democrat controlled congress turned South Vietnam over to the communists. One would think they were in cahoots with the communists. The democrats are dying to do an encore and turn the accomplishments of the military up until now into another ‘all for naught’. I guess they’re not happy with 55,000, they’re trying to lengthen the list. How silly of us to think that all of the Iraqis would step up to the plate. Thank you America for giving me my freedom, now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go blow myself up. OK, go blow yourself up. But, a lot of Iraq is coming along pretty well. But, it looks to me as though the democrats are having a problem with that. Iraq has turned into an Islamofacist saltlick. Good. The democrats are having a problem with that. One would get the impression that they’re in cahoots with the Islamofacists. I have a problem with that.

John Cunningham on April 26, 2007 at 11:04 am

It is amazing to see so many people blaming the Democrats, when it was the incompetence of the Republican Administration (with help from the No Oversight Republican Congress) that has gotten us neck deep into a war we have virtually no chance of winning. This war has gone on longer than World War Two. Think about that for a moment. It has taken us longer to pacify a single country with a very weak military than it did for us to defeat two of the largest military powers in the world (for their time).
Quit blaming the Democrats for pointing out that the Republican leadership screwed up.

D*Rek on April 26, 2007 at 2:07 pm

So, drek, you’re OK with the democrats doing an encore? I blame the democrats for Vietnam and I will blame them if they’re successful in surrendering us in Iraq.

John Cunningham on April 26, 2007 at 3:36 pm

“Fight them over there, so we won’t have to fight them over here… ” Ha!
It should be, “Let them fight each over there, so they will be too busy to fight us over here.”
Protect the Kurds. Then arm the Sunnis and arm the Shiites, and let Allah sort them out.

zyzzyg on April 26, 2007 at 3:46 pm

So the Republicans make a total mess out of Iraq, spending half a trillion dollars and causing the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, and has led us to the point where there is very little, if anything, we can do to win the war. However, you would blame the Democrats for defeat?

D*Rek on April 26, 2007 at 4:25 pm

There may not be much integrity left in the general gameplan of this war but we don’t need the inbred efforts of Pelosi, Harry “I Surrender” Reid, and the rest of those lily-livered dumbocrats running around saying we lost. Hey D*Rek, EnemasRevenge, and the rest of you islamo lap-licking pukes, that behaviour is out and out TREASON! So, that being said, I think that there should be public executions of all those liberal pussbags that we can watch on cable.
As for the war, we should stop being so PC concerned about the poor civilians…we played that hand with the French in WWII and look what we got in return for it! I say carpet bomb the hell out of every nook and cranny-hell, it’d be far more humane than Saddam gassing his own. We could “liberate” that country only to have those third world turds turn around and stick us in the back. Don’t give them the opportunity. When we’re done there, move on to Iran and take care of “Hitler” Smurf and the rest of his camel tenders. Quit screwing around with these assholes; they know nothing but death so give them what they love!!!

1shot1kill on April 26, 2007 at 5:05 pm

So let’s see if I understand your logic here. Sending our troops into battle without a plan, without proper equipment, and without the infrastructure in place back home to take care of them when they get injured is OK. But talking negative about the war 4 year into is is Treason?
As for the rest of your rantings, wow, I really have no response to something so ignorant that just reading it causes my own IQ to drop a point or two.

D*Rek on April 26, 2007 at 5:23 pm

What he said.
drek, yes, I blame democrats for turning the efforts of 55,000 dead in Vietnam into “an all for naught” and they will be doing the same if they surrender us in Iraq. I think I’ve clearly expressed myself.

John Cunningham on April 26, 2007 at 5:25 pm

So John, what’s your solution? Our military leaders have all said that there is no military solution to the mess in Iraq. The administration is doing nothing to pressure the Iraqi government into building itself up. There were several reports last week that we are no longer training the Iraqi security forces. So how do we achieve Victory? You seem to be quick to blame the Democrats for “Defeat”, yet nobody, including the Republican Administration has been able to explain just how to achieve Victory.

D*Rek on April 26, 2007 at 5:42 pm

OK, drek, listen very carefully. Vietnam wasn’t easy, and it went on for a long time. There are many similarities between then and now, some good days, some bad days. But, in the long run we left Vietnam with a reasonable facsimile of a democracy and a decent military. The democrats refused a little assistance to defend themselves from a chinese communist financed blitzkreig. They handed South Vietnam to the communists. They turned 55,000 dead’s efforts into an all for naught. And they’re doing the exact same thing today. And you seem to be bending over backwards to defend that. It looks as though the democrats and you are in bed with the islamofacists.

John Cunningham on April 26, 2007 at 6:16 pm

So dissenting against the Administration puts me “in bed with the Islamofacists”? Because I’m pointing out how badly this Administration has screwed up the situation in Iraq, I’m on the same level as the terrorists? When I read that it proves to me that you have no concept of the battle we are currently in, nor how we got here, and even less of an idea of how to get out of it. The only way you can compensate for your ignorance is to resort to name calling.
Iraq is all but lost, and the blame rests on George W. Bush and his Administration. This war was winable, however, due to the staggering incompetence at the highest levels of this Administration it is now to the point where it is virtually impossible to be Victorious.
Putting aside for the moment that you, nor anybody else knows how to win the war, I would like you to answer this. What should we be willing to give up in order to achieve Victory on top of the half a trillion dollars, 3,400 dead and tens of thousands of our troops injured? Should we spend antoher half trillion? how about a trillion? How many lives? Where do we get the money and the manpower from? What if the war is only winable if we put half a million troops in there for a decade (which very well could be the case)? Republicans are quick to say that the Democrats want to surrender, yet they refuse to mention exactly what it would take to win.

D*Rek on April 26, 2007 at 6:40 pm

drek, man up, go join the Military and then you’ll also be able to get out of your parents basement and find out how these things are done. They’re also good at showing people how not to be a silly twit. Or take a history lesson when you get to high school, you’ll find that democrats were spineless bitches in the seventies and you’ll then see they’re being spinless bitches today. Yes, one has to resort to name calling, you are a gutter snipping silly bitch, now go wipe you nose.

John Cunningham on April 27, 2007 at 6:18 am

Wow, way to “man up” there John. You ignore every single one of my points and questions and respond by calling me a “gutter snipping silly bitch”. If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what is.
Why are you so afraid to answer my questions with something other than childish name calling? Do you not have any real points to make?

D*Rek on April 27, 2007 at 8:02 am

Dear gutter snipping silly bitch aka drek. I have no fear of answering questions if they were worth answering. You’re nit picking and trying to micro manage every step. Step back and try to take in the big picture. Now, don’t step back too far you’ll fall off the planet. A lot of life is two steps forward, one back, three steps forward, half-step back and so on, and so on. If you’d get out of your parent’s basement like I told you earlier, you’ll find this out for youself. Now, get away,kid ‘ya bother me.

John Cunningham on April 27, 2007 at 10:07 am

So having a general idea of what constitutes “Victory” is micro managing, and in your opinion a question that is not worth answering?
I find it ironic that you keep telling me that I need to “get out of my parent’s basement”, considering that in every one of your posts you have yet to provide a single solitary mature thought. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that they didn’t have a debate club at your school.
You sir are a mental lightweight who needs to spend more time studying the issues you wish to debate and less time coming up with snippy insults that do nothing but prove your ignorance.

D*Rek on April 27, 2007 at 10:43 am

Listening to classic rock leaves me with the thought I’m too old to listen to the old stuff, I heard it the first time. I’m into electronica and, shhh, don’t tell anyone, rap. Through the magic of radio and Music Choice I can’t see them grabbing themselves like a bunch of two year olds that have to to to the bathroom. It’s the beat, it’s the beat. But, I digresseses. Go read a history book? Through the time frame I’ve referred to in this thread I’ve been alive and breathing through all of it. I heard it the first time.

John Cunningham on April 27, 2007 at 11:09 am

So it would seem that you are older than I am. Well, why don’t you act like it and stop the childish name calling. Why don’t you use all of your “historical knowledge” to prove your points rather than throw out insults?
You’re big sticking point seems to be with “if we leave then the dead will have died in vain”. Now if we were in a conventional war like WWII for example I would agree with you. In that conflict we had a clear enemy and a clear goal (kill the enemy. So if we lost a thousand guys trying to overtake say, an island in the Pacific, then I would be all for putting everything we had into taking it.
In this conflict however there is no clear enemy or set of goals. There are so many factions fighting for power in Iraq now that the only way our guys know which side is the enemy is when they are shot at. So essentially our troops are left to referee a very violent internal conflict. There is no island to take, no enemy to root out. And because of this Administrations insistence that we do this war “on the cheap”, our troops never had a chance to succeed in this war. Now things are so far gone in that country that no matter how many of our troops die, we simply do not have the resources to pacify that country (as a General put it before the invasion, “It would take several hundred thousand troops to hold and secure Iraq”).
Now, because of poor planning and the lack of resources, this is a conflict that we simply can’t win. Even if we somehow were able to stabilize the government and bring peace to Iraq, lest we forget that the President of the country is friends with our other major enemy in the region Iran. So sir which is worse, pulling our troops out now and preventing more of our military from dying, or allowing them to continue to fight and die with the best possible outcome is that we’re created an ally for Iran?

D*Rek on April 27, 2007 at 11:37 am

D*Rek, time will tell.

John Cunningham on April 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm

Sorry for dropping in the middle of your diatribe but you have not made any points which can be proved wrong by the facts.
Rehashing the false talking points of the surrender crowd, DNC and anti war left does not make a cogent argument.
Your contention the WWII was won in less time than Iraq is laughable at the least and pathetic that you have not read your history. We are still in Germany and Japan my friend.
Quit trying to rationalize surrender. It demonstrates your cowardice.
Like John, I lived through the Vietnam War which we were winning BTW before the democrats raised the white flag and surrendered. They are attempting to do the same thing in Iraq. If you think that if we pull our of Iraq that everything will be OK, you are naive.
Bonus point question: Which country will invade Iraq the moment we leave?
Hint we destroyed Iraq’s Army and who has financed the insurgents.

ScottyDog on April 27, 2007 at 4:32 pm

Last time I checked, once the war ended in Germany and Japan there were no more US military deaths due to hostile actions. There were no snipers, no car bombs, no death squads roaming the streets. Just because we we are still in Germany and Japan doesn’t mean we are still at war there. Try reading a history book yourself before you make stupid comments like that.
So exactly which points of mine are “false talking points”? Asking what constitutes victory? Asking what we should be willing to give up for victory? Pointing out that the goverment that we’ve spent so much in money and American lives is friendly towards Iran? Not to mention pointing out that we are in this mess because of the incompentence of the current administration.
Bonus question for you: Which enemy country have we emboldened due to being bogged down in Iraq because of the Bush Administration’s incompentence?

D*Rek on April 29, 2007 at 9:10 pm

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